Report: Severe sanctions unlikely in SpyGate 2

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In Spygate, which happened during the 2007 season, the NFL fined Bill Belichick $500,000, fined the team $250,000 and docked the Patriots their first-round draft pick in 2008. The Patriots again are under investigation for an incident that involved a videographer.

Severe sanctions are not expected this time, with a resolution of the NFL’s investigation possible by the end of the week, Mark Maske of The Washington Post reports.

The NFL, per Maske, is seeking to determine if the eight minutes of video footage of the Bengals’ sideline contains anything not seen in a TV shot or on the coaches’ tape from the game.

The league still is early in its investigation that involved a Patriots videographer filming the field from the press box in violation of league rules.

Belichick twice has said he was not involved with and had no knowledge of the incident.

The team released a statement saying it was unintentional and that the video crew was filming content for the team’s website, not anything related to the football operations or coaching staff.

164 responses to “Report: Severe sanctions unlikely in SpyGate 2

  1. Belichick twice has said he was not involved with and had no knowledge of the incident.
    =

    If TV ever does a revival of Hogan’s Heroes then Bill Belichick would the logical choice for the role of Sgt. Schultz.
    He knows nothing. NO-THING!

  2. “…Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game” (Outside the Lines report).

  3. I’d still like to know what fans think they are recording? It’s not play signals. Those are done via headset these days. So I’d like to seriously hear form someone that thinks NE was up to something nefarious. What do you think they were trying to record that you couldn’t see on broadcast or coaches film?

  4. Oh please. Tix were 10 bucks or so per PFT late last week. If they wanted sideline video all they had to do was send someone dressed as a fan and shoot video on their phone all game long and no one would every have known anything.

    The video guy did so in front of the Bengals staff in the booth where they could see what was on the monitor. If you’re cheating you don’t get credentials and show the team you’re going after what you’re doing

    SMH

  5. If they didn’t have a past of shady cheating behavior I would think ok. But I don’t buy anything there saying. The pats do not want to drop from 2nd seed to 3rd or worse if the Bills pass them in the division. So I can’t put it past them to break the rules.

  6. We saw what happened when #deflategate was dragged out with 4 million dollar investigations, sworn testimony, etc., and even though the Patriots were found “guilty,” the whole thing was still disproved by basic 8th grade chemistry.

    That said, I hope we don’t see this case drag out and the report of a quick resolution is correct.

  7. Since deflate gate Goodell has looked the other way on Handy Krafts little sexual romps and drug busts of players so punishment for this is not expected nor surprising. Once Brady leaves the Pats will Lose their favored status because their ratings and fans will disappear and be less attractive to the NFL…….can’t wait.

  8. The Patriots’ fair-weather fandom, somewhat obscured during the Brady championship years, was on full display again at halftime during the Chiefs game.

    So, go easy on them. They have bigger things to worry about.

  9. Correct.

    If Goodell does anything beyond the norm, he’d have to release the tape and the

    At best, this has to fall under “failure to communicate” in some fashion, which I would imagine is a 25K fine or something. I am not even sure what it would fall under or what they would cite in this case.

    I would also imagine Kraft has already talked to Mike Brown and communicated there was no ill will here of any kind.

    Amazing what a lie or rumor will do to those with Patriots Derangement Syndrome.

  10. Nothing left to be said but*************************************************************************************

  11. It’s all run like the mafia.

    The higher-ups like don’t get their hands dirty, or touch the product.

    So Bill doesn’t watch the tape to maintain plausible deniability.

    But Ernie does.

  12. The NFL cares more about making money and how their brand ” looks ” not the actual integrity of the game.

    This will be swept under the rug and NFL analysts people will be instructed to not even bring it up.

  13. This is the gift that keeps on giving to the haters and crybabies. I am hoping this pisses the Pats to no extent and they give their fans a nice Xmas gift in February.

  14. Sports media is all about sensationalism. As are Patriots haters.

    To any intelligent nonconspirast sports fan this story doesn’t in any respect sound like BB is a 2019 version of William Wyler.

    Those filming this are responsible.

    Every single story becomes so sensationalized that the sports media has become a step or two below the British tabloid papparrazi.

  15. This whole overblown non story will only fuel the Patriots more and maybe will be looked at as the turning point of the season for the Pats in February 🙂

  16. Besides Bills fans, does anybody really believe they were spying on the Bengals, the freaking Bengals?

  17. Just a coincidence they filmed content for the teams website at the Browns-Bengals game. Didn’t even realize they (Patriots) were playing the Bengals this week. Seems legit.

  18. If this is a documentary of a Patriot scout in week 14 of the season then the scout knows darn well the rules of video taping in any stadium on game day, during a game. I think most people know the rule since 2007. NFL will sweep this under the rug by the end of the week.

  19. I’m not necessarily saying that anything nefarious happened here, but why does this keep happening with the Patriots in particular?

  20. Belicheat says he does not know anything about filming, I believe him, just destroy the tape. He has never done anything like that before “right”. Kraft would never do anything this stupid, “right”

  21. So wait a minute…are you saying that when we jumped to conclusions without seeing all the facts we may have been wrong?

  22. andreboy1 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    “…Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game” (Outside the Lines report).

    And you can still do all of that today using binoculars and a pen and paper

  23. Pats are just a horrible franchise, fanbase sucks, cheaters, rotten to the core. Another uncovering of cheating and its “I didn’t know”… really? No one buys it. Also read up on Pat Mahomes girlfriends experience with the “fans”.. Serious rot going on that town.

  24. So the Patriots have been running this web doc series for years. I’ve watched plenty of them. Jimmy G, Jamie Collins (the first time around), the equipment guy (pretty interesting by the way). This is the first time they’ve covered a pro scout, the first time they’ve filmed in a press box. You’re telling me that Bill set up this scheme 4 or 5 years ago, to film other teams signaling in their plays (which no team does anymore, green dots) and the first time they do it is for the friggin Bengals??? Come on guys, just think logically about this. It really makes no sense. It would be easier to simply buy a ticket and an iPhone and have someone film it from row 25!!! This is laughable.

  25. Good I was hoping I we’d be able to keep the mouth breathers on both sides of this going. But, honestly, it probably just means the league doesn’t think any of the web stuff makes it’s way to Bill.

  26. Patriots are second to none in figuring out tells from coaches on the other sideline. Remember Bill’s comment that “something didn’t look right” on the Seahawks sideline before Wilson’s ill fated throw in SB XLIX.

    Taping them would be a treasure trove of information… even without one hand signal being seen. So they have a motive to do so.

    What I need to know is were they taping and then collecting info with each imagine like time, down and distance. If they were then there is a problem.

  27. footballismybusiness says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:19 pm
    I’m not necessarily saying that anything nefarious happened here, but why does this keep happening with the Patriots in particular?
    ________________________________________

    Because it’s the Patriots. If any other team did this, there would have never been a question asked about it. It probably has happened but no one even noticed because it wasn’t New England. It’s like a Ferrari doing 65 getting passed on the highway by a Buick doing 100, no one sees the Buick. The league is so paranoid about New England that the lench mob jumps at the slightest hint of anything. Look at deflategate, the Colts balls were deflated as well, it’s in the Wells report and no one bats an eye at it before they are so deranged by New England.

  28. andreboy1 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    “…Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game” (Outside the Lines report).
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    That is not cheating. That is called great scouting. Now if they filmed from a wrong location like they did in 2007 then yes, that is cheating and they paid a heavy price for it.. Before there was a rule established as to where they can film from then how is this breaking the rule? Filming signals is not against the rules and still is not. I did not know scouts doing their job was breaking the rules. I laugh at people like you. It’s such low hanging fruit.

  29. premiummitglied says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:15 pm
    This whole overblown non story will only fuel the Patriots more and maybe will be looked at as the turning point of the season for the Pats in February

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    February… are you kidding me? February? With this offense? I just hope we win a game.
    —- Jim Mora

    😢

  30. jdubkc says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:24 pm
    Pats are just a horrible franchise, fanbase sucks, cheaters, rotten to the core. Another uncovering of cheating and its “I didn’t know”… really? No one buys it. Also read up on Pat Mahomes girlfriends experience with the “fans”.. Serious rot going on that town.

    L—

    Get over it.

    Read slooooooow. BB has NOTHING to do with the Patriots website content

    There is an entire series in the web called Do You Job

    They followed a college scout to a game and did the SAME thing.
    The latest episode is about an athletic trainer

    And give me a break with “ look what they said to Mahomes girlfriend

    WHO CARES!!

    WHat do you think fans would do if the Patriots played and away game and Brady’s wife sat in the stands ?

    People like you bare pathetic

  31. I’m not necessarily saying that anything nefarious happened here, but why does this keep happening with the Patriots in particular?

    Because they are successful, hated by many and sadly (I am a Pats fan) they have a history of sailing close to right and wrong and have indeed gone beyond that.

    Personally I think its a non-story that has blown up because of who they are. Do we really think they would blatantly do this in front of people? No they are not that stupid.Come on people wise, up hate all you like its your right I get it but be logical.

  32. Off course the Pats can easily beat the Bengals just the same way they were plenty capable of beating the Colts during that AFCCG. That is beyond the point right now. Right now the issue is that the Patriots were, once again, circumventing the rules. Were they trying to get a competitive advantage? Hard to tell, for people that dislike the Patriots they probably were, for people who dislike the Patriots they weren’t. The issue here is that no team has been involved in more scandals than the Patriots. Either you go with the narrative that the NFL is trying to create a bogeyman to keep ratings up or the Patriots are cheaters. Nothing in between at this point.

  33. Please feel free to turn off the AFCD and AFCC game to not give the Pats ratings or revenue. They are too dishonest for all you viewers.

    Also next SB turn it off

  34. 3 championships. Spygate.

    No championships for a decade.

    3 more championships. Spygate 2.

    None of those titles are legitimate.

  35. the NFL absolutely should come down heavy on the Patriots.
    They already admitted the film crew inappropriately filed the Bengals sideline.
    Whether or not those people were ignorant to the rule bears no relevance.
    its a rule violation and one that would make New England repeat offenders.

    You CAN’T go light on repeat offenders.

  36. spiderbite108 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:17 pm
    If this is a documentary of a Patriot scout in week 14 of the season then the scout knows darn well the rules of video taping in any stadium on game day, during a game.
    ——————————————
    The scout wasn’t filming, the crew for the tv production was…

  37. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:07 pm
    Since deflate gate Goodell has looked the other way on Handy Krafts little sexual romps and drug busts of players so punishment for this is not expected nor surprising. Once Brady leaves the Pats will Lose their favored status because their ratings and fans will disappear and be less attractive to the NFL…….can’t wait.
    _______________________________________________

    What world do you live in? Bizarro world? You and anyone that thinks this is the case are delusional.

  38. After the first overblown spygate incident/ nonsense we learned that teams could not visually record the other teams sideline under two circumstances….ie…1) the team could not use the recorded data in the game in which it was captured 2) the team had to film from an enclosed approved area. The two examples provided by the league were…the pressbox or specifically designed media location. Seems like the Pat’s were in the approved area, with credentials, and not using the data in game.

  39. You guys don’t understand what’s this all about and you go on spewing knee-jerk response against the Patriots. Keep embarrassing yourselves.

  40. sbchampsagain says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:04 pm
    Cheaters.
    ================
    ^
    |

    Nothing would change if the video was released or the holy trinity echoed it as well. Predictable. LOL

  41. Pats fans start with denial. Then Pats admit they did it, so now they move on to saying how it’s no big deal. The Pats whole organization is built on gaining unfair advantages. That’s why they win so many close games.

    Pats fans will tells you that even if true, this filming signals would only give a small advantage. This supposed dynasty constantly eeks out close wins with a bunch of mid level talents who seem to always be in the right place at the right time.

    The cheating is the difference.

  42. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:07 pm
    Since deflate gate Goodell has looked the other way on Handy Krafts little sexual romps and drug busts of players so punishment for this is not expected nor surprising. Once Brady leaves the Pats will Lose their favored status because their ratings and fans will disappear and be less attractive to the NFL…….can’t wait.
    ======================
    Sheesh that stinks. We’ll be just like the Steelers fan base 😮

  43. SparkyGump says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:10 pm
    Like our economy and voting system, the NFL is rigged. Saying severe sanctions are unlikely before an investigation even begins stinks to high Hades.
    =========================
    It couldn’t possibly be founded by the fact that it might be much to do about nothing. The reason it stinks to high Hades is because people want to scorch the earth even if there’s nothing to burn.

  44. Just another “gate” that has no relevance. So you even watch Patriot games ? Great clutch plays from great players win championships. Period. So you idiots wearing tin foil hats cooked up a scheme where New England spots Falcons 28-3 lead and uses hand signal diagrams to stage greatest comeback in SB history right ? I saw every second of that game and Patriot games since 1974. Brady threw lasers all over the field and Belichick made great second half adjustments to tire out the defense. Atlanta was gassed in 4th quarter. Greatest clutch play under pressure by a team in NFL history.

    1) Go watch Oprah if you cannot handle the NFL. Game are won and lost on field.

  45. NFL Historical Facts proven Accurate and TRUE

    2007 Spy-Gate FACT #1. 31 other NFL Teams have been doing the same and filming of other Teams is PERMITTED from a designated area. Patriots were not in designated area.

    2014 FACT#2. Scientific Evidence proved Brady innocent of the false accusations against him and Goodel believes he can do whatever he please with handing out suspensions as he was proven in a Court of Law to be a LIAR.

    Historical JUSTICE =
    FACT #1: 3 more LOMBARDI Trophies
    FACT #2: Brady/Patriots sets NFL Record as 1st QB to overcome 23 point deficit in the Super Bowl Era

    FACT #3: Brady/Patriots sets NFL Record as only Team in NFL’s 100 Year History to comeback and tie a SB Game and then win it in Overtime.

  46. jdubkc says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:24 pm
    Pats are just a horrible franchise, fanbase sucks, cheaters, rotten to the core. Another uncovering of cheating and its “I didn’t know”… really? No one buys it. Also read up on Pat Mahomes girlfriends experience with the “fans”.. Serious rot going on that town.
    =======================
    By “no one buys it” does that include the NFL front offices?

  47. idislikespeciousness says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:41 pm
    After the first overblown spygate incident/ nonsense we learned that teams could not visually record the other teams sideline under two circumstances….ie…1) the team could not use the recorded data in the game in which it was captured 2) the team had to film from an enclosed approved area. The two examples provided by the league were…the pressbox or specifically designed media location. Seems like the Pat’s were in the approved area, with credentials, and not using the data in game.
    ——-
    Filming the sidelines in game is illegal
    —- Bill Belichick

  48. andomcommenter says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:46 pm
    Pats fans start with denial. Then Pats admit they did it, so now they move on to saying how it’s no big deal. The Pats whole organization is built on gaining unfair advantages. That’s why they win so many close games.

    Pats fans will tells you that even if true, this filming signals would only give a small advantage. This supposed dynasty constantly eeks out close wins with a bunch of mid level talents who seem to always be in the right place at the right time.

    The cheating is the difference

    Again the slooooow people

    Yes, they admitted it
    They admitted that a freelance camera operator that live in Cleveland
    Was hired to film the doc. He did leave it on the tripod pointed at the field.

    But again iIF they were trying to “cheat” why would they do it dressed in Patriots attire in the press box in front of Bengals personal?????

    If they were really trying to “cheat” all they would have to do is buy a ticket sit in the stands and record ANYTHING they wanted with a phone.
    M

  49. dsigrey says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:30 pm
    Because it’s the Patriots. If any other team did this, there would have never been a question asked about it. It probably has happened but no one even noticed because it wasn’t New England. It’s like a Ferrari doing 65 getting passed on the highway by a Buick doing 100, no one sees the Buick. The league is so paranoid about New England that the lench mob jumps at the slightest hint of anything. Look at deflategate, the Colts balls were deflated as well, it’s in the Wells report and no one bats an eye at it before they are so deranged by New England.
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    Just ask the Giants and their experiences with hand sets and deflated balls and if there were ever any questions about them?

  50. nydre4 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:35 pm
    3 championships. Spygate.

    No championships for a decade.

    3 more championships. Spygate 2.

    None of those titles are legitimate.
    =========================
    I was going to point out deflategate but we’ve already seen how useless that sham was toward illegitimizing the Pats championships.

  51. OK, I admit it, the whole 20 years was rigged and the Patriots cheated their way to every regular season and playoff win, every Super Bowl win, everything. The tuck rule wasn’t applied fairly and the footballs were deflated intentionally. Illegal videotaping? Yup, we did it and we won because of it.

    There. I said it. Happy now?

    (You aren’t taking away Malcolm Butler, though, I’m keeping that one).

  52. footballismybusiness says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:19 pm

    I’m not necessarily saying that anything nefarious happened here, but why does this keep happening with the Patriots in particular?

    ==================

    Because other teams are willing to make unfounded accusations in hopes of dragging down an opponent they can’t otherwise beat.

    If every team made a public fuss about every little thing other teams do, it would be a constant PR and investigative quagmire, 24-7. But winning – and making other teams look like the shoddy, poorly-run messes they are – makes you no friends. The Pats don’t make other teams look bad anywhere else but on the field, but other teams don’t show them the same courtesy.

    Really – look at everything since the original “spygate”. It’s a series of desperation moves that never amount to anything. Deflategate was the perfect example – absolutely no substance, just a personal vendetta by a few vindictive individuals. Yet thousands of fans and online commenters still talk about a “history of cheating” like it’s a real thing.

  53. mountaingirl39 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:40 pm
    perception is reality
    =================
    Until reality is reality and than it’s still perception is reality.

  54. Voteforwiggsmofo says:

    December 10, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    And give me a break with “ look what they said to Mahomes girlfriend

    WHO CARES!!

    WHat do you think fans would do if the Patriots played and away game and Brady’s wife sat in the stands ?
    _______

    You have obviously never been to a Chiefs game…

  55. mountaingirl39 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:40 pm
    perception is reality

    2 3 Rate This

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    Systematic cheating and WHY Goodell was hired and him being CAUGHT in federal court LYING, where 3 different federal judges actually called the NFL liars, IS ACTUAL REALIT for those with college degrees.

    Good luck getting one for yourself so you can sharpen those critical thinking skills.

  56. ““…Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game” (Outside the Lines report).”

    None of which was actually illegal, and something that any competent coach should have been doing, and that quite a few others did. The Pats were far from the only team taping the other sidelines

  57. davidsoria175yahoocom says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:45 pm
    Yea yea just cover for those chronic cheaters like always,what else is new?!
    ====================
    Deflategate … oh wait

  58. Update, the video (which the Bengals have a copy of) shows 8 minutes of a direct shot of the Bengals sideline and their hand signals for audibles. The videographer tried to destroy it when confronted. Sorry Pats’ fans but as Yogi said “it’s deja vu all over again”. This sounds like SMU in the 80s. They told them to knock it off multiple times but they just kept at it. The death penalty sounds about right for the Patriots to me. Strip them of draft picks for 3 years and cut their salary cap so they can’t sign high end free agents.

  59. randomcommenter says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:46 pm
    Pats fans start with denial. Then Pats admit they did it, so now they move on to saying how it’s no big deal. The Pats whole organization is built on gaining unfair advantages. That’s why they win so many close games.

    Pats fans will tells you that even if true, this filming signals would only give a small advantage. This supposed dynasty constantly eeks out close wins with a bunch of mid level talents who seem to always be in the right place at the right time.

    The cheating is the difference.
    ===============================
    You would think that wholesale cheating wouldn’t result in close games, no?

  60. From a local poster on one of our blogs here in Cinti

    per a friend who shall remain nameless that works in the front office:

    “My boss is the one who caught and confronted them. And I’ve seen the video they shot – it’s of our coaches’ signals, then follows which players go into the game, then back to the coaches. Back and forth. That part isn’t out there (yet), and obviously we haven’t released the video (yet – league is still investigating) but there’s no doubt what they were doing. They might have also been there to film Do You Job, but they had other plans in mind too.”

    Don’t know him personally, for what it’s worth. Question is was it egregious enough for the Stoic Mike Brown to not make this an embarrassment to the NFL. If he has the goods.

  61. patsarticlemustpost says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:32 pm
    andreboy1 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    “…Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game” (Outside the Lines report).
    —————————

    That is not cheating. That is called great scouting. Now if they filmed from a wrong location like they did in 2007 then yes, that is cheating and they paid a heavy price for it.. Before there was a rule established as to where they can film from then how is this breaking the rule? Filming signals is not against the rules and still is not. I did not know scouts doing their job was breaking the rules. I laugh at people like you. It’s such low hanging fruit.

    9 8 Rate This

    ———————–

    They don’t get that. They think their teams don’t have scouts, don’t film and don’t try to obtain scouting advantages by scouting, even though I’ve posted the Cowher interview numerous times in the past 2 days.

    LOL

    We have some of the dumbest people on earth posting here.

  62. i’ve actually seen a few of these behind the scenes videos on the patriots website. I think an error was made in making a video about what the advance scout does-but several of these how we do it videos have been made

  63. So let me get this straight an independent film crew goes out films a game that they got permission from the Browns to do so and right in front of the Bengals then they transmit it back to Belichick? Next you’re going to tell me Epstein killed himself. The intelligence of the Pats haters must be zero if you’re looking for Spygate 2.0 this isn’t it.

  64. A scout looks at the sidelines, the field, personnel groupings, who’s hurt, who’s not. So scout says to the crew “I look at the field, the sidelines, who goes in and out of the injury tent”. So, creative film crew says “we need some shots of the field, the sideline, the tent, to splice into the program otherwise all we have is he’s taking notes at a table, which is boring. If we use canned New England Patriots footage, that will look stupid.” So they shoot the sideline for a while. Seems tame to me. Who uses signals anymore anyway?

  65. Wow when Patriot fans get on these comment boards and just start calling people posting dumb, makes me think this is going to end up being the real deal.

  66. It figures. I get a serious laugh every time a Patriot’s fan cries about Goodell trying to get them. That guy has swept more stuff under the rug for the Patriots than any Commish has for any franchise in any sport ever.

    By the way Pats fans – doesn’t matter what the intent was behind this or if you can get anything relevant from where they were filming. What matters is that is happened. The rule is there and you broke it. And since you have done it before it is a repeat offense. Any repeat offense must be harsher than the original. End of story.

  67. historyisyourfriend says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:24 pm
    It figures. I get a serious laugh every time a Patriot’s fan cries about Goodell trying to get them. That guy has swept more stuff under the rug for the Patriots than any Commish has for any franchise in any sport ever.

    By the way Pats fans – doesn’t matter what the intent was behind this or if you can get anything relevant from where they were filming. What matters is that is happened. The rule is there and you broke it. And since you have done it before it is a repeat offense. Any repeat offense must be harsher than the original. End of story.

    And if they are not punished more than before
    Are you going to run to the internet and cry some more ??

  68. melikefootball says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:22 pm
    No surprise it is Patriots and Godel does not touch that team
    —————–
    You know based on the harshest penalties every laid out by the NFL.

    Twice.

  69. This is just what the pats needed it’s them against the world allover again,just more logs for the fire ! 🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆

  70. historyisyourfriend says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:24 pm
    It figures. I get a serious laugh every time a Patriot’s fan cries about Goodell trying to get them. That guy has swept more stuff under the rug for the Patriots than any Commish has for any franchise in any sport ever.

    By the way Pats fans – doesn’t matter what the intent was behind this or if you can get anything relevant from where they were filming. What matters is that is happened. The rule is there and you broke it. And since you have done it before it is a repeat offense. Any repeat offense must be harsher than the original. End of story.
    =====================
    Technically they only broke half of it. Is there a partial credit forum we can take that to?

  71. brownsnotawful2019 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:03 pm
    Update, the video (which the Bengals have a copy of) shows 8 minutes of a direct shot of the Bengals sideline and their hand signals for audibles. The videographer tried to destroy it when confronted. Sorry Pats’ fans but as Yogi said “it’s deja vu all over again”. This sounds like SMU in the 80s. They told them to knock it off multiple times but they just kept at it. The death penalty sounds about right for the Patriots to me. Strip them of draft picks for 3 years and cut their salary cap so they can’t sign high end free agents.

    Wrong.

    He did not try and “destroy it” that’s a lie.
    The videographer DOES NOT work for the Patriots or Kraft productions
    He is a freelancer that lives in Cleveland who was hired to film
    When he was confronted by NFL security and they told him it’s not allowed to film the field he asked if they can just delete. It so he could finish his job.

    They said no and they Ha be them everything they had

    This is the problem with miss information!!

  72. How about sanctions on ESPN?
    2015. Chris Mortensen delivers exaggerated info to taint Pats 45-7 win over Colts
    No worries. Pats win SB 49 anyway. Brady gets unjustly suspended, but wins SB 51 on revenge tour.
    2017- Seth Wicked Scam tells about Brady/Belichick/ Guerrero fued- more lies. Pats go to SB 52
    2019 Diana Rossini breaks “ SpyGate 2” Another nothing burger. If it didn’t lead to Super Bowls, I would be really miffed at ESPN..,

  73. We have some of the dumbest people on earth posting here.

    And judging from the volume of your posts you are their spokes person. Pats fans are like lemmings following the butt in front of them till they reach the sea. See no evil do no evil….you get the picture….but history doesn’t lie….just the Pats and their fans.

  74. razzlejag says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:00 pm
    OK, I admit it, the whole 20 years was rigged and the Patriots cheated their way to every regular season and playoff win, every Super Bowl win, everything. The tuck rule wasn’t applied fairly and the footballs were deflated intentionally. Illegal videotaping? Yup, we did it and we won because of it.

    ———————————————
    Just two questions:
    How does one team gain an advantage by deflating the footballs used by both teams?
    And how did the patriots deflate the Colts footballs without ever touching them?

  75. I do not trust the Patriots AT ALL. However, do you really think one of the top 3 teams in the league is trying to cheat against the worst team in the league? That does not hold water for me. They do not need to take the risk of getting caught to do this against the Bengals.

    As a Steeler fan that hates the Patriots above all else, I am just not sure this is legit cheating. I have no doubt they cheat in other ways, but not this one. Does not make sense.

    The only way it makes sense is that this is SOP for them. Meaning they do it every game in an effort to gain the intelligence and since they do it every game, they just got sloppy and careless this time and got caught. Odds are, the more you do something, the more likely you are to get caught.

    I think they should publish the tape and let the Bengals decide if it violates them or not.

  76. historyisyourfriend says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:24 pm
    It figures. I get a serious laugh every time a Patriot’s fan cries about Goodell trying to get them.
    ———————————————–
    Goodell could release the PSI data that he has been hiding and Patriot fans won’t have to respond to comments from people who still can’t understand 7thg grade science.

  77. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:43 pm
    We have some of the dumbest people on earth posting here.

    And judging from the volume of your posts you are their spokes person. Pats fans are like lemmings following the butt in front of them till they reach the sea. See no evil do no evil….you get the picture….but history doesn’t lie….just the Pats and their fans.

    Says the guy that’ post lame comments on EVERY Patriots related article.

  78. Tulsa Bronco says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:06 pm
    I am in boston today, and even local sports radio is saying that there is something to this story!

    1 5

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    lol!!

    It is what those dumb hyenas do. You must be really new to knowing how Boston media morons cover the teams. They are like professional trolls and will lie to get ratings since sports are so popular as compared to your hillbilly area.

  79. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    We have some of the dumbest people on earth posting here.
    And judging from the volume of your posts you are their spokes person. Pats fans are like lemmings following the butt in front of them till they reach the sea. See no evil do no evil….you get the picture….but history doesn’t lie….just the Pats and their fans.
    ——————————————————
    The one intelligent Steeler fan posted a video on the popular online video site that can be found by searching for “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”

  80. andreboy1 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    “…Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game” (Outside the Lines report).
    _______________________________

    Every team does this, it is not against the rules.

  81. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:43 pm

    “but history doesn’t lie….”
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    That’s right and History has demonstrated, in great detail, even more SB wins for the Patriots and their fans after each scandal leveled against them by the jealous liars and NY/NFL.

    Be careful what you wish for…….

  82. Kraft’s buddy Goodell again swoops in to protect the Pats for the “league’s benefit”.
    Just like 12 years ago.

    Pats fans think Goodell is the Patriots enemy, but it’s obvious that he’s their savior once again.

    Goodell doesn’t want the Patriot shenanigans to tarnish the Shield, so he’ll destroy the evidence.

    Ironic that the Pats fans are calling for Goodell’s dismissal, when he’s the one helping their team.

    Pretty soon, the other 31 owners will bounce him out and get a commissioner that’s not buddy-buddy with Krafty.

  83. mountaingirl39 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:40 pm

    perception is reality
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Perception is reality for people who do not live in Reality.

  84. Anti Patriots fan here – and I believe the explanation given is probably accurate and should be easily investigated as the Patriots should be able to provide the other video they’ve filmed for said documentary or whatever they’re filming for.

    HOWEVER the Patriots should know better, and should take every precaution and get every approval just to be safe when it involves a Patriots video camera around another team. For this negligence, they should still be fined. I don’t believe any suspensions or other sanctions should occur, unless of course evidence points toward an actual infraction. But come on, how do you not think about taking precautions if you’re the Patriots sending in a videographer into another team’s stadium.

  85. melikefootball says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:22 pm
    No surprise it is Patriots and Godel does not touch that team
    —————————————————————-
    Then why did Goodell do the following?
    * Goodell told lies in court and tried to hide the testimony.
    * Goodell pretended that the Colts footballs were not deflated.
    * Goodell stole 2 draft picks from the Patriots and took 1 million dollars and made Brady miss 25% of a season.
    * Goodell is still hiding the PSI data from the 2015 NFL season so he doesn’t have to give the draft picks back.

  86. speaking of taping, i’m pretty sure kraft had epstein send him some tapes of goodell. dude has been awful quiet this year. just sayin…

  87. surfer.al says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:20 pm
    Deflategate and Spygate 1.0 were not even close to cheating; neither is this.
    ——
    No but if the video crew were doing what the spygate crew did (sideline+formation+clock and distance) then it would be. Meaning they were there for other reasons besides the DYJ job. So far nothing indicates this is true. Hopefully for the champs sakes it stays that way.

    I

  88. Pat’s fans trying to deflect. Once you’ve been busted cheating it doesnt take much to convince people you were cheating again when you get caught doing the same thing. Sure, sure you didn’t mean any harm….but then there was this little mishap with the Chiefs equipment when they landed at Foxboro. Now how do you suppose someone “accidently” loaded up their gear and drove it to Jersey? I mean I dont live in the Boston area but I’m pretty sure that EVERYONE who lives there knew the Chiefs were playing the Patsies on Sunday so why do you think someone would think that the Chiefs need their equipment in Jersey? Maybe because even with their easy schedule the Pat’s have this year they knew that KC was one team that could of handed them a loss at home. Belichick and the Patriots would do anything it takes to win, and everyone knows it.

  89. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:00 pm
    Kraft’s buddy Goodell again swoops in to protect the Pats for the “league’s benefit”.
    Just like 12 years ago.
    ——————————————-
    Goodell swooped in after the Patriots were running up the scores on the darlings of the league.

    * Goodell stole 2 draft picks from the Patriots.

    * Goodell is still hiding the PSI data from the 2015 NFL season so that he doesn’t have to give the draft picks back to the Patriots.

    * Goodell stole the draft picks and forced Brady to miss 25% of a season to give 31 teams a chance to “earn” a participation trophy.

  90. I am not even sure what it would fall under or what they would cite in this case.”

    Ummm, how about you were told to NOT DO THAT AGAIN, yet they did it again. Seems it would fall under cheating since they were, you know, told NOT TO DO IT AGAIN !!!!

  91. tb12bestqbevah says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:03 pm
    You guys should stick with the “Brady is old and done” schtick. Some of these comments are stunningly laughable.
    ————————————
    Maybe they noticed that Brady had more running yards than Mahomes last Sunday.

  92. Pats are up to their chicanery again, knowing that if caught it’ll just get swept under the rug.

    Why?… Because it is the 100th season of the NFL and the Pats know this is not a good look for the league and that it’ll be hushed up.

  93. kulik03 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:01 pm
    Anti Patriots fan here – and I believe the explanation given is probably accurate and should be easily investigated as the Patriots should be able to provide the other video they’ve filmed for said documentary or whatever they’re filming for.

    HOWEVER the Patriots should know better, and should take every precaution and get every approval just to be safe when it involves a Patriots video camera around another team. For this negligence, they should still be fined. I don’t believe any suspensions or other sanctions should occur, unless of course evidence points toward an actual infraction. But come on, how do you not think about taking precautions if you’re the Patriots sending in a videographer into another team’s stadium.

    3 1

    ———-

    That is fair, but Cincy handed this unprofessionally and poorly by not even a accepting the situation. NE did get permission from the home team.

    Don’t look now but you are sort of act like NE needs to be held to a different standard.

    Bet you anything other teams have had non team documentary film crews in a stadium and they have not told the other team.

    Some of you can’t even see how insulting it is for teams to make accusations that are false, acting all arrogant in the process.

    Cincy wildly overreacted even with people right there knowing what Kraft Productions was filming.

    The average honest and intelligent non-Pats fan sees how obvious it is regarding any move NE makes, creates fake controversy.

    If you are a loser troll type jealous of NE, those people don’t even want the truth.

  94. factpurveyor says:

    Then why did Goodell do the following?
    * Goodell told lies in court and tried to hide the testimony.
    * Goodell pretended that the Colts footballs were not deflated.
    * Goodell stole 2 draft picks from the Patriots and took 1 million dollars and made Brady miss 25% of a season.
    * Goodell is still hiding the PSI data from the 2015 NFL season so he doesn’t have to give the draft picks back.

    ______________

    Maybe Goodell destroyed the PSI data like he did the Spygate evidence… For the league’s benefit.

  95. 1). Nothing the Patriots do is ever wrong, from the owner on down.
    2). Patriots fans are always in denial. Like the team, we did nothing wrong. It’s the media blowing things out of proportion. Yea right, that makes me laugh!
    3). I have to wonder what the Patriots have on Roger Goodell?

  96. We all know the saying “Where there is smoke there is fire…”

    The only smoke in this story is that which is coming out of the ears of the Media, Jealous Fans and Haters.

    The ‘Fire’ of course is that insatiable jealousy & hate burning in their hearts and minds.

  97. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:14 pm
    and the Pats know this is not a good look for the league and that it’ll be hushed up.

    ————————————————–
    The same league that made sure that dimwits were forever duped by a massive media smear campaign with headlines about a “destroyed phone” and the word “deflategate”. All while pretending that the Colts footballs didn’t also deflate.
    The same league that lied in court after being sneaky and making sure the court was in NY.
    The same league that is still hiding the evidence from the PSI study from the 2015 NFL season because science can’t lie.

  98. andreboy1 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    “…Inside a room accessible only to Belichick and a few others, they found a library of scouting material containing videotapes of opponents’ signals, with detailed notes matching signals to plays for many teams going back seven seasons. Among them were handwritten diagrams of the defensive signals of the Pittsburgh Steelers, including the notes used in the January 2002 AFC Championship Game” (Outside the Lines report)
    ___________________________________________________________

    That explains Pittsburgh’s problem. The rest of the league has been using radio headsets for years.

  99. amaf21 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:05 pm
    speaking of taping, i’m pretty sure kraft had epstein send him some tapes of goodell. dude has been awful quiet this year. just sayin…
    ——————————————
    Maybe Goodell learned to keep quiet after being caught lying about Brady in court.
    Maybe Goodell also learned to keep quiet after looking silly after ranting about “integrity” and “transparency” just before deciding to hide the PSI data from football fans.

  100. rogoceo says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:53 pm
    I do not trust the Patriots AT ALL. However, do you really think one of the top 3 teams in the league is trying to cheat against the worst team in the league? That does not hold water for me. They do not need to take the risk of getting caught to do this against the Bengals.

    As a Steeler fan that hates the Patriots above all else, I am just not sure this is legit cheating. I have no doubt they cheat in other ways, but not this one. Does not make sense.

    The only way it makes sense is that this is SOP for them. Meaning they do it every game in an effort to gain the intelligence and since they do it every game, they just got sloppy and careless this time and got caught. Odds are, the more you do something, the more likely you are to get caught.

    I think they should publish the tape and let the Bengals decide if it violates them or not.

    0 2 Rate This

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    What are those “ways”? lmao

    This should be a hoot!

  101. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:17 pm
    factpurveyor says:
    Then why did Goodell do the following?
    * Goodell told lies in court and tried to hide the testimony.
    * Goodell pretended that the Colts footballs were not deflated.
    * Goodell stole 2 draft picks from the Patriots and took 1 million dollars and made Brady miss 25% of a season.
    * Goodell is still hiding the PSI data from the 2015 NFL season so he doesn’t have to give the draft picks back.
    ______________
    Maybe Goodell destroyed the PSI data like he did the Spygate evidence… For the league’s benefit.

    ——————————————————–
    Correct.
    Goodell was looking to help 31 teams with league parity by taking draft picks away from the team that was too good. The league likely sells more NFL merchandise if fans of 32 teams all believe that their team has a chance to win a championship.

    Goodell decided to weaken the best team to give 31 other teams a chance to ‘win” a participation trophy. Over punishing a team for not following a poorly worded memo regarding locating a camera 30 feet away was the first time. And stealing draft picks for what cold weather and rain naturally does to inflated vessels was the 2nd time.

  102. factschecker says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:05 pm

    I’d still like to know what fans think they are recording? It’s not play signals. Those are done via headset these days. So I’d like to seriously hear form someone that thinks NE was up to something nefarious. What do you think they were trying to record that you couldn’t see on broadcast or coaches film?
    ———

    Many teams still do audibles through hand signals. They filmed 8 straight minutes of the Bengals sideline. For what exactly?

  103. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:17 pm

    Maybe Goodell destroyed the PSI data like he did the Spygate evidence… For the league’s benefit.
    ————————————————————–
    If Goodell destroyed the video tape it was for 2 reasons:

    1. To help the team that was filmed. The alternative would be for all the opponents of that team to get to see the video. Which is not fair to the team that was filmed.

    2. To catch the patriots if they decided to keep a copy. If a video ever surfaced in the future it would show that the patriots didn’t hand over all the copies.

    But patriot haters are blinded by narrow thoughts and confirmation bias and patriot haters want to believe someone way trying to help the patriots.

  104. factpurveyor says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:46 pm
    johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:17 pm
    factpurveyor says:
    Then why did Goodell do the following?
    * Goodell told lies in court and tried to hide the testimony.
    * Goodell pretended that the Colts footballs were not deflated.
    * Goodell stole 2 draft picks from the Patriots and took 1 million dollars and made Brady miss 25% of a season.
    * Goodell is still hiding the PSI data from the 2015 NFL season so he doesn’t have to give the draft picks back.
    ______________
    Maybe Goodell destroyed the PSI data like he did the Spygate evidence… For the league’s benefit.

    ——————————————————–
    Correct.
    Goodell was looking to help 31 teams with league parity by taking draft picks away from the team that was too good. The league likely sells more NFL merchandise if fans of 32 teams all believe that their team has a chance to win a championship.

    Goodell decided to weaken the best team to give 31 other teams a chance to ‘win” a participation trophy. Over punishing a team for not following a poorly worded memo regarding locating a camera 30 feet away was the first time. And stealing draft picks for what cold weather and rain naturally does to inflated vessels was the 2nd time.
    —————
    Glazer played the Spygate tapes for the media to see. Lots of cheerleader shots and focusing on women ind the stands. The contents of those tapes is well-known and oft-viewed…

  105. Belichick could give Richard Nixon a run for his money with all the covert activity, recording and wanting to erase the tapes… Perhaps the Pats can see if G. Gordon Liddy wants a job…

  106. Say what you will, but when history is written, the Pats dynasty of the pas 17 years will have a stigma/cloud attached to it. Right or wrong, they got pinched for spy gate and for deflate gate. They are tainted in a LOT of fans minds (well, at least fans outside of Mass.). If Pats fans think that this isn’t the case, they are delusional. Stuff like this incident, even if turns out to be nothing, does little to change it.

  107. jdubkc…in case I ever go to a game in kc, what eyeware do you put on to avoid damage from lasers when you go to a chiefs game?

  108. danceformemarionetteboy says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:49 pm
    Translation:
    Patriots continue to cheat and NFL continues to look the other way

    ——————————————-
    Except the Patriots never cheated. For a portion of one game, the Patriots had a camera about 30 feet from where if was allowed to be according to a poorly worded memo. The NFL over punished the patriots at the time. People have been pretending that it was “cheating” and have crying for over 10 years.

    Meanwhile the NFL invented reasons to look at the patriots.
    Like when the NFL convinced fools to believe that cold weather and rain has no affect one the PSI in footballs. Science doesn’t lie so the PSI data from the 2015 NFL season is still being hidden from football fans.

  109. Any enterprise that is a billion dollar industry must protect itself from anything that would do that industry harm. It is an axiom of capitalism and capitalism is the American way. It is somewhat ironic that the Patriots, known in non-sporting contexts as the good guys, are forever caught up in circumstances in which they have to explain their innocence. It is just an odd but not impossible outcome of course, like the odds of flipping a fair coin that continues to come up heads. The Patriots are the good guys. To say otherwise is to utter an absurdity.

    Conspiracy theories persist, however. The most cogent one alleges that the Patriots are exploiting a weakness in the money making operation of the NFL, namely that the league office, run by Roger Goodell, and the owners, wealthy people by all accounts, are corrupt. Now, since every human being is corrupt to the extent that they have something that they will protect at all costs, this is a very believable conspiracy theory.

    The theory is postulated by the former staff of Outside the Lines. A poster cited a quote from their report. You can find a synopsis via Vice.com. It is a believable theory because who in their right mind would suggest that the Patriots did not understand the scientific relationship between the temperature and pressure of a gas? Would it be the people running the Indianapolis Colts? Nah, these people know better. The people who are running the show are not stupid people. Money is not stupid. Accordingly, the theory postulates that the owners and the league office engaged in a conspiracy to charge the Patriots with an infraction of which they could not be guilty, but for which they could be punished by the bad guys. Clever way to cover everything up, is it not?

  110. fishfan77 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:02 pm
    Say what you will, but when history is written, the Pats dynasty of the pas 17 years will have a stigma/cloud attached to it.

    ———————————————
    Those on the left side of the Bell Curve have always believed all the silly things that were said about the patriots by those calling them “cheaters”. There is no hope for those on the left side of the Bell curve to ever believe actual facts. Headlines on the magazines in the supermarket checkout lane are much easier for them.

  111. fishfan77 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:58 pm
    Belichick could give Richard Nixon a run for his money with all the covert activity, recording and wanting to erase the tapes… Perhaps the Pats can see if G. Gordon Liddy wants a job…
    ———————————————-

    Funny that a Dolphin fan would care about Nixon since it was Nixon who was still President the last time the Dolphins “won” anything. The Dolphins only “won” by intentionally flooding the field to manipulate the playing conditions to slow down the other teams fast running backs. That was actual cheating. Dolphins Cheat — Dolphins Cheat — Dolphins Cheat!!!

  112. danceformemarionetteboy says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:49 pm
    Translation:
    Patriots continue to cheat and NFL continues to look the other way
    ——————————————————————-
    Translation:

    Patriots haters live on the left side of the Bell curve and will always look at things from that view.

  113. nelly837 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:06 pm
    Pat’s fans trying to deflect. Once you’ve been busted cheating it doesnt take much to convince people you were cheating again when you get caught doing the same thing. Sure, sure you didn’t mean any harm….but then there was this little mishap with the Chiefs equipment when they landed at Foxboro. Now how do you suppose someone “accidently” loaded up their gear and drove it to Jersey? I mean I dont live in the Boston area but I’m pretty sure that EVERYONE who lives there knew the Chiefs were playing the Patsies on Sunday so why do you think someone would think that the Chiefs need their equipment in Jersey? Maybe because even with their easy schedule the Pat’s have this year they knew that KC was one team that could of handed them a loss at home. Belichick and the Patriots would do anything it takes to win, and everyone knows it.
    ——————————–
    Idiot, nobody “drove” the Chiefs gear to New Jersey. The Chiefs equipment personnel accidentally left it on the charter plane that then flew to Newark. When the Chiefs realized the equipment was still on the plane, they had it return to Logan. No Patriots or league personnel involved.

  114. Eight minutes of the Bengals sideline and not the Browns sideline? I wonder why that is? Couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that the Patriots have yet to play the Bengals and have already played the Browns could it?
    Having the hand signals would be a huge advantage to any team. Being able to determine whether a team is running vs passing is huge in preventing a play from becoming successful. If you know the team is going to run you could stack the box or pass and you could substitute an extra DB for a LB.
    I am willing to bet that the Patriots have been stealing signals for years. Their unbelievable record for winning seems much more plausible with this explanation.
    Example: Patriots barely able to escape Buffalo with a win earlier in the year… Why? Buffalo ran a no-huddle, Which basically prevented the Patriots from being able to substitute players and use those stolen hand signals. Teams running the no-huddle that also have a stout D have been extremely hard on the Patriots this year. Buffalo, Kansas City, Baltimore, Houston… All have strong Defenses and all run a version of the no-huddle. 3 of 4 were losses for New England.
    The Patriots have been cheating for years and should have an asterisk next to all NFL Records.

  115. I think the Patriots should understand that they can’t have the mere appearance of any sort of impropriety because overreaction will always ensue. When you win this much for this long, people don’t like you. They’re sick of it, and have been helpless to stop it. All they have is to scream from the rooftops at dumb stories like this. Just don’t give it to them on a platter.

  116. Holy moly there Nelly837- are you saying the Patriots were responsible for the Chiefs equipment being sent to New Jersey?

    Wow, what a reach, man, kudos to you for that whopper.

  117. It’s always a convenient response to say, “because we win, they think we’re cheating” when they should say “we win because we’re cheating.” Simple as that. People aren’t dreaming up these scandals. They’re all real and they only happen to the team that’s run by Bill Belicheat.

  118. fishfan77 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:02 pm
    Say what you will, but when history is written, the Pats dynasty of the pas 17 years will have a stigma/cloud attached to it. Right or wrong, they got pinched for spy gate and for deflate gate. They are tainted in a LOT of fans minds (well, at least fans outside of Mass.). If Pats fans think that this isn’t the case, they are delusional. Stuff like this incident, even if turns out to be nothing, does little to change it.

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    —————-

    Wait until BB and Brady retire and write their memoirs. You will look more like a buffoon than you do know.

    I can only imagine the ammo each has to expose how hard Goodell
    and Co worked to try to cheat and slow NE down.

    We only know a little of the inside info, but they know it all.

    lmao

  119. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:43 pm
    We have some of the dumbest people on earth posting here.

    And judging from the volume of your posts you are their spokes person. Pats fans are like lemmings following the butt in front of them till they reach the sea. See no evil do no evil….you get the picture….but history doesn’t lie….just the Pats and their fans.
    =========================
    Sure history lies. Exponent more than proved that.

    Oh and Tomlin did nothing wrong 🙂

  120. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:00 pm
    Kraft’s buddy Goodell again swoops in to protect the Pats for the “league’s benefit”.
    Just like 12 years ago.

    Pats fans think Goodell is the Patriots enemy, but it’s obvious that he’s their savior once again.

    Goodell doesn’t want the Patriot shenanigans to tarnish the Shield, so he’ll destroy the evidence.

    Ironic that the Pats fans are calling for Goodell’s dismissal, when he’s the one helping their team.

    Pretty soon, the other 31 owners will bounce him out and get a commissioner that’s not buddy-buddy with Krafty.
    =================
    Thanks for Spygate BFF Rodger!
    Thanks for Deflategate BFF Rodger!

    That’s some “help” 😐

    Pats fans sure aren’t calling for his dismissal based on the favors he’s given them that for certain. Of course his complete incompetence might also be a reason.

  121. nelly837 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:06 pm
    Pat’s fans trying to deflect. Once you’ve been busted cheating it doesnt take much to convince people you were cheating again when you get caught doing the same thing. Sure, sure you didn’t mean any harm….but then there was this little mishap with the Chiefs equipment when they landed at Foxboro. Now how do you suppose someone “accidently” loaded up their gear and drove it to Jersey? I mean I dont live in the Boston area but I’m pretty sure that EVERYONE who lives there knew the Chiefs were playing the Patsies on Sunday so why do you think someone would think that the Chiefs need their equipment in Jersey? Maybe because even with their easy schedule the Pat’s have this year they knew that KC was one team that could of handed them a loss at home. Belichick and the Patriots would do anything it takes to win, and everyone knows it.
    ==========================
    So to recap, it’s the Pats fault the Chiefs equipment didn’t get loaded off the plane ?!?!?!? You understand that the Chiefs charter their own planes right? the Patriots have zero to do with that? Of course you wouldn’t realize that. Nope. Instead we get to listen to this absurd conspiracy theory when in reality it lays at the feet of United and their incompetent personnel. Oh! Let’s conveniently forget that only some of the Chiefs gear failed to show up. So apparently these little Patriot gremlins that have a taste for football gear have select pallets.

    But yeah it’s just more Pats fans deflecting! You know, instead of just dismissing the all out idiotic.

  122. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:14 pm
    Pats are up to their chicanery again, knowing that if caught it’ll just get swept under the rug.

    Why?… Because it is the 100th season of the NFL and the Pats know this is not a good look for the league and that it’ll be hushed up.
    ======================
    you know because of Spygate and Deflategate.

    The … Pats … notified … the … Browns. How covert is that really?

  123. alongthegulf says:
    December 10, 2019 at 6:22 pm
    3). I have to wonder what the Patriots have on Roger Goodell?\
    =================
    It sure isn’t draft picks!

  124. TimTebowGodOfFootballKarma says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:48 pm
    It’s always a convenient response to say, “because we win, they think we’re cheating” when they should say “we win because we’re cheating.” Simple as that. People aren’t dreaming up these scandals. They’re all real and they only happen to the team that’s run by Bill Belicheat.
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    Quite simply … prove it. If they win because they cheat show us how.

  125. TimTebowGodOfFootballKarma says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:48 pm
    It’s always a convenient response to say, “because we win, they think we’re cheating” when they should say “we win because we’re cheating.” Simple as that. People aren’t dreaming up these scandals. They’re all real and they only happen to the team that’s run by Bill Belicheat.
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    Quite simply … prove it. If they win because they cheat show us how.

    Otherwise isn’t this really just “another” convenient excuse to believe the cheating rhetoric?

  126. Ummm..those of us who are fans of a team subjected to the fake Bountygate would disagree that you had the 2 worst penalties ever levied. We had a whole season taken away during on what even Roger’s buddy Tagliabue saw was trumped up garbage.

    fireroger says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:35 pm
    melikefootball says:
    December 10, 2019 at 5:22 pm
    No surprise it is Patriots and Godel does not touch that team
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    You know based on the harshest penalties every laid out by the NFL.

    Twice.

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