Robert Kraft declines to address Spygate 2: “You know everything you should know”

AP

Spygate 2 happened only days before the quarterly ownership meetings in Texas. Patriots owner Robert Kraft, already present for the session, was asked by reporters to comment on the situation.

“You know everything you should know,” Kraft said, via multiple reporters.

He’s right. The facts are undisputed, and they are unconcealed. The Patriots admit that the rules were violated. But for the question of whether the league will confirm that the video team that shot images of the Bengals’ sideline were not in any way communicating with football operations employees, there’s nothing more to do.

Other than issue the final punishment, whatever it may be. It’s not expected to be as significant as the punishments the Patriots have absorbed in past cases. Which is good news for the Patriots.

162 responses to “Robert Kraft declines to address Spygate 2: “You know everything you should know”

  1. belichick is a horrible coach the reason he wins is because he knows the opponents play calls very easy to win when you know a pass is coming so you tell the defense where to play

  2. Belichick should be banned for life, or at least suspended for two years because it’s a repeat offense.

  3. The league, along with the other 31 teams are just making things up. It’s all BS because, you guys are just jealous of our success. Cry on losers, we are innocent and legitimate champions

    – Pats nation lol

  4. They have proven to have cheated before, and were disciplined.

    If they’ve done it again, they should get a NFL version of the NCAA Death Penalty.

  5. patriots knew the seahawks play at goal line thats why they intercepted it they knew exactly wilson was throwing to that receiver look how he patriots defense go up to the receiver before the play he knew the pass was coming in that same exact direction

  6. ts1960 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:31 pm
    As as if the commenters here don’t understand how signals are called in. Can you say “green dot?” duh
    —————————-
    They still send in signals by hand too. Especially for last minute adjustments and formation changes. The transmitter in the helmet is automatically cut off with 15 seconds left on the play clock. So there are lots of times where the sideline will use signals BOTH on offense and defense..

    Duh…..

  7. danny woodson says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:22 pm
    belichick is a horrible coach the reason he wins is because he knows the opponents play calls very easy to win when you know a pass is coming so you tell the defense where to play

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    Very easy to beat that team.
    Just do the opposite of the play call and make them look like fools on the important downs.

    Once again Patriot haters using narrow minds.

  8. Who are we to judge the team owned by a man who goes to Florida for a massage while eschewing those beautiful Northern women! Kraft has demonstrated that with a little ingenuity and with a hand’s off administration of his team that he hires the best managers who also don’t know what their subordinates are doing! Bob you are a marvel of delegating responsibilities and avoiding any linkage to impropriety! We could all learn a lesson from you that despite what other people might think, facts don’t matter and that winning is the only measure of a man who fails to reach half a foot.

  9. Cheaters dynasty

    NFL covered up taping of Rams practice.
    McDaniels caught taping other teams practices in Denver
    Spygate 1.0
    Deflategate
    Spygate 2.0
    Spagate

    Patriots used exactly the same excuse for spygate 1.0 and 2.0

    And Brady being paid under the table by Daddy Kraft

  10. billsfan66 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:36 pm
    They have proven to have cheated before, and were disciplined.
    If they’ve done it again, they should get a NFL version of the NCAA Death Penalty.
    ——————————————————————————-
    Nope!!!
    For a portion of one game, the Patriots had a camera about 30 feet from where if was allowed to be according to a poorly worded memo. The NFL over punished the patriots at the time. People have been pretending that it was “cheating” and have crying for over 10 years.

    Then the NFL invented a reason to weaken the patriots after they were running up the scores on the darlings of the league. Like when the NFL convinced fools to believe that cold weather and rain has no affect one the PSI in footballs. Science doesn’t lie so the PSI data from the 2015 NFL season is still being hidden from football fans.

    An intelligent Steeler fan posted a video online which says otherwise.
    That video can be found by searching for the following title: “DEFLATE GATE & WHY SCIENCE SAYS THE PATRIOTS DID NOT TAMPER WITH FOOTBALLS”

  11. Suspend BB for Sunday’s game. Plausible deniability doesn’t work when you are the A #1 head honcho in charge. See Also :Joe Paterno, Richard Nixon and Donald Trump. Ignorance, even when it is feigned, is no excuse…

  12. they filmed every team every week for years they dfelated balls for years they shut off opponents headsets they trashed locker rooms they made emergency alarms in hotels and many other things

  13. kevo95 says:

    December 10, 2019 at 7:40 pm

    We know you cheated
    ————————————-
    Speaking on behalf of those on the left side of the bell curve?

  14. bay707area49er says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:33 pm
    The league, along with the other 31 teams are just making things up. It’s all BS because, you guys are just jealous of our success. Cry on losers, we are innocent and legitimate champions

    – Pats nation

    @@@@@@@@@222

    It’s Raider Nation, it’s a trademarked name, you even have to steal that.

  15. There are a lot of mediocre coaches out there. Every single Patriots SB win is easy to dissect over and over and pretty apparent as to why they beat their opponent. And cheating had nothing to do with it.

    There are questionable coaching decisions in a lot of team losses, including BB questionable in game decisions at times.

    He has a long long history of the game and evidently has learned a lot and uses his knowledge to the best of his ability to win as many games as he and his team can. He isn’t always successful.

    Mediocre coaching decisions, tired defenses, injured players, QBs not making two or three more plays than NE.

    That’s how BB, Patriots win. It is also why they lose. This isn’t hard to understand.

    The cheating is how they win storyline makes NO SENSE.

  16. He’s to busy at a strip club deflating footballs and watching film from the St Louis Rams practices before the show down with NE in the Super Bowl.

  17. WOW. chris simms speaks the truth because he played in the league and almost got the point of exposing trolls and goodell saying
    “It was not in the rules” pre goodell

    Yep

    moron haters exposed

  18. And you do PFT. You take his statement and stop posting articles. There are 10 other NFL teams, that matter right now, in the NFL. Lets give equal attention to them. Until Bob, Bill, Tom or Rog says otherwise the matter is closed. Go Pats

  19. A DYNASTY OF DIMWITS CALLING THEM “CHEATERS”:
    NFL covered up taping of Rams practice. – STORY LATER PROVEN FALSE IS NOT A COVERUP
    McDaniels caught taping other teams practices in Denver – DENVER CHEATS
    Spygate 1.0 – POORLY WORDED MEMO NOT FOLLOWED. TEAM OVER PUNISHED. CRYBABIES CALL IT “CHEATING” EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS
    Deflategate – COLTS AND PATS FOOTBALLS DROPPED PSI DUE TO COLD & RAIN.
    Spygate 2.0 – FOOLS CALLING IT “CHEATING” BEFORE FACTS COME OUT
    And Brady being paid under the table by Daddy Kraft – ONE DIMWIT POSTING IT COUNTLESS TIMES DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.

  20. flviking says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:46 pm
    It’s Raider Nation, it’s a trademarked name, you even have to steal that.

    ——————————————————
    Every native American tribe is called “tribe name” Nation
    So how exactly did the raiders trademark using the word “nation” after the name of an organization ?

    Patriot haters are so silly.

  21. flviking says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:46 pm
    bay707area49er says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:33 pm
    The league, along with the other 31 teams are just making things up. It’s all BS because, you guys are just jealous of our success. Cry on losers, we are innocent and legitimate champions

    – Pats nation

    @@@@@@@@@222

    It’s Raider Nation, it’s a trademarked name, you even have to steal that.

    ———

    Screen name clearly says im a 9ER fan. It was meant to mock pats fans

  22. All this talk makes me miss Deflategate. Even the two guys who lost their jobs and never got to work with the team again

  23. 19dead2 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:52 pm
    He’s to busy at a strip club deflating footballs and watching film from the St Louis Rams practices before the show down with NE in the Super Bowl.
    ———————————————-
    Attempting to make jokes about deflated footballs just tells everyone that you can’t understand 7th grade science.

  24. billsfan66 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:36 pm
    They have proven to have cheated before, and were disciplined.

    If they’ve done it again, they should get a NFL version of the NCAA Death Penalty

    ———————————–

    its better than the NFLs version of its death penalty, which is to be the Buffalo franchise. we havent owned your team for 20 years over a hand signal and if so maybe you should change signals. just saying

  25. danny woodson says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:43 pm
    they filmed every team every week for years they dfelated balls for years they shut off opponents headsets they trashed locker rooms they made emergency alarms in hotels and many other things
    ————————————————————————————
    They filmed about 30 feet away from were the poorly worded memo said they could film from.
    Cold weather & rain deflated the Colts and the Patriots footballs.
    The Steelers should have lost draft picks for making fools believe that the patriots had any control over the other team’s headsets.
    “trashed locker rooms” and “alarms” is just more nonsense that will be believed by gullible individuals.

  26. george1859 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:24 pm
    Krafty Bob championships are tainted, and will never be respected as legit wins.

    By who??

    The CRYBABIES on the internet?

    My god you people are dumb?

    Know this little guy , TB , BB and RKK will all be first ballot HOFers

    And all the crying you do on the internet will NEVER change that.

    It’s funny how other franchises take there coaches and front office personnel

    And John Llynch said he tried to model the 49rs after the Patriots

    Other athletes in other sports call TB “the goat”

    Know nothing you can type or say will EVER change anything.

    All you have is the internet to CRY 😢

  27. I’ve never read so many comments by jealous toolbag fan over nothing. It’s always the same. Jealous of the winners. The Pats wouldn’t have known Pete”I cheated at USC”Carroll’s play that he already ran that season. Do you think you can’t purchase the “all 22” coaches film of every game? Do you think you need to be in the stadium you idiots? Do you think plays still are given via hand signals you turds? Do you need me to explain the green dot to you? God almighty what a bunch of uneducated clowns. I have news for you friends, nearly all of your teams suck. It’s not because they don’t cheat you freaks. It is because your coach sucks and you never had Tom Brady. So go sit on some ice and cool your hemorrhoids down because something is bothering you and it’s not what you are whining about.

  28. bay707area49er says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:00 pm
    flviking says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:46 pm
    bay707area49er says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:33 pm
    The league, along with the other 31 teams are just making things up. It’s all BS because, you guys are just jealous of our success. Cry on losers, we are innocent and legitimate champions

    – Pats nation

    @@@@@@@@@222

    It’s Raider Nation, it’s a trademarked name, you even have to steal that.

    ———

    Screen name clearly says im a 9ER fan. It was meant to mock pats fans

    @@@@@@@@@222

    lol, you are really bad at that mocking thing.

  29. Someone in the media had the “story” before the Bengals game ended. Sort of like someone in the media had the “story” before the AFCCG ended. PSI data ended up being false, but the NFL would never retract it.

    Maybe someone in the media should right a story about how these stories get leaked so quickly and who leaks them (for possible personal gain). That would be a real piece of journalism instead of hyping on the emotions of fans before facts are known.

  30. A DYNASTY OF DIMWITS CALLING THEM “CHEATERS”:
    NFL covered up taping of Rams practice. – STORY LATER PROVEN FALSE IS NOT A COVERUP
    McDaniels caught taping other teams practices in Denver – DENVER CHEATS
    Spygate 1.0 – POORLY WORDED MEMO NOT FOLLOWED. TEAM OVER PUNISHED. CRYBABIES CALL IT “CHEATING” EVEN AFTER 10 YEARS
    Deflategate – COLTS AND PATS FOOTBALLS DROPPED PSI DUE TO COLD & RAIN.
    Spygate 2.0 – FOOLS CALLING IT “CHEATING” BEFORE FACTS COME OUT
    And Brady being paid under the table by Daddy Kraft – ONE DIMWIT POSTING IT COUNTLESS TIMES DOES NOT MAKE IT TRUE.
    —————————————
    And not a single other franchise has been accused of doing what the Patriots have done. They are frauds in every sense of the word. 0 legitimate titles.

  31. And not a single other franchise has been accused of doing what the Patriots have done. They are frauds in every sense of the word. 0 legitimate titles.

    Says no one but the internet crybabies

  32. These guys have won a lot, and at what cost. I am afraid, they are the NFL version of the evil corporation, heartless, soulless, inhumane, results only. And the NFL always covers for them. And we still consume their product. Who is the fool?

  33. shaggytoodle says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:06 pm
    Maybe one day the nfl will penalize them hard enough to get them to stop cheating.
    ————————————————————————————-
    First they actually have to cheat.
    The closest they came to cheating was putting a camera about 30 feet from where a poorly worded memo said the camera should be for a portion of one game. They were over punished for that mistake.

    The same team was even punished for what cold weather and rain did naturally to the footballs of both the Colts and the Patriots during one game. The NFL ignored the fact that the Colts footballs were also deflated and the NFL pretended that NFL fields are exempt from the laws of science.

  34. This house of cards is clearly crumbling. Time to start pulling titles and replacing them with asterisks. It’s becoming so clear that this team has never played by the rules since Belicheat took over. Disgraceful.

  35. Cry all you want. And keep wishing your team has 9 Super Bowl appearances and 6 Championships in the last 20 years. GOAT owner, GOAT Head Coach & GOAT QB. In 50 years you cry babies will all be dead and your grandchildren will still be talking about the Greatest NFL Dynasty of all time.

  36. dingee19 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:15 pm

    And not a single other franchise has been accused of doing what the Patriots have done. They are frauds in every sense of the word. 0 legitimate titles.
    ————————————————————-
    A dynasty of dimwits all believing nonsense even after it has been disproven countless times doesn’t take away titles. Many people never understand actual facts after they first believe false headlines. Confirmation bias always has dimwits doubling down on stupid.

  37. This house of cards is clearly crumbling. Time to start pulling titles and replacing them with asterisks. It’s becoming so clear that this team has never played by the rules since Belicheat took over. Disgraceful.
    ======

    😅

    Good one! Thanks for the laugh!

  38. TimTebowGodOfFootballKarma says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:28 pm
    This house of cards is clearly crumbling. Time to start pulling titles and replacing them with asterisks. It’s becoming so clear that this team has never played by the rules since Belicheat took over. Disgraceful.
    ———————————————————
    The only asterisks are for every championship won after 31 teams had the league steal draft picks from the Patriots because the Colts and Patriots footballs were both deflated in one game. The asterisks symbolize winning despite 31 teams all trying to benefit from cheating.

  39. Patriots Derangement Syndrome has spread through 31 fan bases like the bubonic plague through medieval Europe.

  40. fishfan77 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:37 pm
    ts1960 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:31 pm
    As as if the commenters here don’t understand how signals are called in. Can you say “green dot?” duh
    —————————-
    They still send in signals by hand too. Especially for last minute adjustments and formation changes. The transmitter in the helmet is automatically cut off with 15 seconds left on the play clock. So there are lots of times where the sideline will use signals BOTH on offense and defense..

    Duh…..

    ===============================

    so the opposing team sends in a last second signal and no matter what formation the patriots are in they are able to, in under 3 seconds, diagnose the signal sent to change their play, get to the correct formation, get every guy in exact position, and execute said play perfectly. i know theyve been hard to beat but if that was true, nobody would ever score a single point against us.

  41. I don’t blame him. He was so transparent about what happened in a Spa that police then filed charges against him and now he is blatantly harassed about another baseless allegation? Signed his lawyer. .

  42. Repeat after me, filming the sidelines is not illegal.

    Filming the sidelines is not illegal
    Filming the sidelines is not illegal

    All teams do it, your team does it. Every team knows they’re being filmed.

    This is so overblown it’s ridiculous.

  43. Patriot fans are so sensitive they are making up the usual stuff.

    Patriot fanboys are the crying whiny delusional dimwits and morons

    Patriot fans still try to blame spygate on 30 feet

    Patriot fans try to blame Deflategate on science. Apparently the deflator didn’t know 7th grade science before he deflated the footballs

    Apparently Brady didn’t know science either before he ordered the footballs deflated

    Cry some more and throw out your hate and jealousy lies and tainted trophies

    Sincerely

    Lance A
    Barry B
    Belicheat
    Lady boy Brady
    Handyman Kraft

  44. All I have to say is if the Patriots are actually seeking to get a competitive advantage from this – spying on a feckless, incompetent, rudderless one-win team – they’re in such a world of hurt they have no chance of winning The Super Bowl anyway.

  45. HurtsToReadComments says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:38 pm
    Tuck Rule Dynasty
    ———————————-
    The key word here is “RULE”. The officials correctly interpreted the rule. This game was karma for the Raiders fake dynasty which resulted after the 1976 blatant incorrect call which stole a championship from the Patriots.

  46. I can understand why Kraft wanted to cut the interview short, he had a 2 PM appt down at the Chinese massage palor in town. A morally bankrupt ownere will never ask his coach to show any integrity when he has none himself.

  47. factpurveyor says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:59 pm
    flviking says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:46 pm
    It’s Raider Nation, it’s a trademarked name, you even have to steal that.

    ——————————————————
    Every native American tribe is called “tribe name” Nation
    So how exactly did the raiders trademark using the word “nation” after the name of an organization ?

    @@@@@@@@@222

    There’s this thing called google. Look it up.

  48. Thetruthspeaks says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:47 pm

    Patriot fans try to blame Deflategate on science. Apparently the deflator didn’t know 7th grade science before he deflated the footballs
    ————————————————————
    Patriot haters will NEVER understand that “deflater” never touched the Colts footballs but the Colts footballs were also DEFLATED. The media smear campaign with the clever “deflategate” and “destroyed phone” headlines permanently duped gullible people. Anyone with a working brain can understand that the Colts footballs were also deflated and then laughs at patriot haters who continue to dwell on “deflater”.

  49. Thetruthspeaks says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:47 pm
    Patriot fans are so sensitive they are making up the usual stuff.

    Apparently Brady didn’t know science either before he ordered the footballs deflated
    ————————————————-
    Patriot hater claiming that fans are making up stuff just before making up something about Brady that never happened.

    please provide the evidence of brady ordering anyone to put footballs below 12.50 PSI

  50. Look at all these Patriot clowns in here with their built in excuses. Bringing back the familiar excuses from the spygate days how cute. Biggest joke of a team and fanbase to ever exist.

  51. Funny how this has turned the attention away from bad officiating and back to the hated Patriots…. What a coincidence…..

    Show us the film Roger, just like you were going to give us the full season report of the temperatures of all the footballs after deflated gate… Go ahead, we can wait.

  52. Come on Cleveland!

    Patriots- Can we have permission to film at your stadium during one of your games?

    Cleveland- Sure, Why not.

    Are you kidding me Cleveland!

  53. Bengals ? Bengals? Are you serious ?! Pats should be ashamed but it is business as usual for the dirty Patriots.

  54. I dont understand why their punishment should be lighter on them. If a player gets any kind of suspension(PED,dirty drug test, domestic violence) and he re-offends with the same charge, his suspension is never lighter on him. I dont get why that shouldnt apply here as well.

  55. “Patriot fans try to blame Deflategate on science. Apparently the deflator didn’t know 7th grade science before he deflated the footballs”

    7th grade science proves nobody deflated any footballs.

    The group psychology going on here is fascinating. Five years after false charges were lodged by a group of people demonstrated to be liars there are still people who believe what they want to believe, regardless of the complete lack of evidence.

  56. factpurveyor says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:59 pm
    Thetruthspeaks says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:47 pm
    Patriot fans try to blame Deflategate on science. Apparently the deflator didn’t know 7th grade science before he deflated the footballs
    ————————————————————
    Patriot haters will NEVER understand that “deflater” never touched the Colts footballs but the Colts footballs were also DEFLATED. The media smear campaign with the clever “deflategate” and “destroyed phone” headlines permanently duped gullible people. Anyone with a working brain can understand that the Colts footballs were also deflated and then laughs at patriot haters who continue to dwell on “deflater”
    ——————————————————————————————

    You know it gets pretty cold in GB-Chicago, and I have never heard of a visiting team complain of deflated footballs there in December. So why do they only deflate in NE?

  57. Mike Shereck says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:23 pm
    These guys have won a lot, and at what cost. I am afraid, they are the NFL version of the evil corporation, heartless, soulless, inhumane, results only. And the NFL always covers for them. And we still consume their product. Who is the fool?

    If you believe any of that?

    It’s fascinating. I guess people become addicted to their villain narratives.

  58. If Bill Belichick were fired tomorrow, the Jets, Giants, Dolphins, Redskins, Cowboys, Falcons, Rams, Chargers, Browns, Bengals and several other NFL embarrassments would all be celebrating. After that, they would all be climbing over each other trying to sign him to a contract.

  59. For every 10 times they’ve been caught, you know there are THOUSANDS of times they haven’t been caught. I am so done with this. The game has zero integrity anymore. If they don’t completely ban the Patriots from the NFL and enforce SEVERE penalties for cheating I am done.

  60. So there are lots of times where the sideline will use signals BOTH on offense and defense..

    Duh…..
    ________________________

    And they do this in front of 50000 people every week who can easily videotape them from the stands, there’s also sideline footage the NFL provides to every team…

    But yeah no it’s definitely secretly video taping people in full view of the public that’s helping the Pats.

    Haters wanna hate so bad they just throw that critical thinking right out the window.

  61. @factpurveyor:

    “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”

    Enough of your rants.

    The Tuck Rule was a fumble and you support a team that has been caught cheating…multiple times.

    Carry on.

  62. This, this is what makes the Pats so unbelievably great. Lots of teams wouldn’t even bother cheating against the 1-11 Bengals, but Belichick doesn’t believe in shortcuts.

  63. You haters have completely lost your minds. Not a single one of you even understands what actually happened in SpyGate let alone Deflate Gate nor do you want to undeerstand. It doesn’t fit your narrative. Far to easy to just yell and cry “cheaters cheaters”. What a joke.

    That being said, I’d like to take this idiotic film crew out behind the woodshed. I mean, how stupid can you be? i’d bet a thousand bucks it was some hypster duffus camera man who’s never even watched a game in his life. So annoying.

  64. So the Patriots were just innocently filming a video called “Do your job” about the life of their scouts on the road.

    As a professional scout your job is apparently to help them video the other team’s signals. Do they need illegal video to beat the Bengals? of course not. But this is a training exercise for their video staff. You work on your moves vs a hapless patsy, so hopefully you don’t need to worry about it going wrong.

    So every team cheats, right? If you’re not cheating you don’t care about winning badly enough? Its just that the Patriots, who supposedly are super-competent at everything they do…. really suck at not getting caught cheating? Is that what we’re supposed to believe? or is there a whole lot of stuff that is much worse that no one has caught them doing? what is more likely?

    Whether or not any of these things have anything to do with why they win, they KNOW they were not supposed to do them and they did them anyway. After what happened last time to even give the appearance of wrongdoing is horribly… naïve? stupid? arrogant?

  65. The only way to punish NE and make things right with Cincinnati, is to force NE to trade their second round pick for Andy Dalton. 😂

  66. Deflategate was totally justified. Pats fans hand their hat on the NFL’s mishandling of the data. They conveniently ignore that their ballboy was nicknamed “the deflator”, Tom Bradu destroyed his phone rather than comply with the investigation, and the Pats essentially took a plea deal.

    The standard for punishment in the NFL is not beyond a reasonable doubt. It’s “more likely than not”. Taking all the circumstantial evidence into account, it is clearly more likely than not the Pats deflated balls.

    Just like it’s more likely than not that they were cheating again here since they were already caught doing this same thing.

    And don’t forget that per the ESPN report on Spygate, Pats employees said that they were given i list of excuses to use if caught by security. One of them was to say they were just filming for a “team video”.

  67. All the cheating scandals the Pats have been busted for is only the tip of the iceberg for all the other acts they have and continue to commit which are unknown by the NFL.

  68. Can someone tell me about these supposed “signals” the Pats may have been taping? Most playcalling – offensive and defensive – is via headset.

  69. Let’s be 100% real do the win Super Bowls because they cheat……NO. Should they be SEVERELY punished for repeated offenses absolutely. Cannot deny belicheat is great coach, but you have to wonder what else has/is been getting away with. It does not matter if the video was shot by Spielberg, if was done by the patriots organization they should be held accountable, will they ? Probably not.

  70. We did it, we cheated. We won. It ain’t changing.
    You can take it all away but you’ll never take away Malcolm Butler.

  71. Here’s some science: Brady’s Toady + footballs /bathroom -air = cheating = championship = 4 game suspension

  72. What a nothing story – a documentary cameraman got permission from the Cleveland Browns to film from the Press box in Cleveland.

    So that’s what he did.

    End of story.

  73. I didn’t realize the Kraft video crew was in KC and the video guys in Cleveland were freelancers and not part of the organization. Therefore odds that they deliberately were spying are much lower than it was yesterday.

    Good.

  74. -People keep saying why bother, it’s the bengals. It’s because it’s a brand new coaching staff, they haven’t had time to steal their signals yet!! Consider this excerpt from an ESPN piece in 2015 about Spygate:

    The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you’re filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.

    That story was published in 2015. Sound familiar though????

  75. It’s the Patriots, they get and deserve zero benefit of the doubt. Still, nothing Kraft says will matter anyway. People have already made up their minds and nothing Kraft says outside of the statement they already made would change anything. NFL just needs to come out with their verdict yesterday.

  76. billsfan66 said:”

    They have proven to have cheated before, and were disciplined.

    If they’ve done it again, they should get a NFL version of the NCAA Death Penalty”

    ================

    If they have done it again, they ought to force Kraft to sell the team and ban Bill Belichick from ever coaching again.

    IMO, the league has enough credibility issues with poor officiating they don’t need anymore drama.

  77. factpurveyor said:”

    Once again Patriot haters using narrow minds.”

    ====

    There is no one more narrow minded than a Patriots’ enabler who defends the team no matter what.

  78. I think the Patriots are like magicians it’s all about diversion … look over here at the minor we made a mistake while the real cheating is going on some where else at the time .

  79. devildoginasia says:
    December 11, 2019 at 3:24 am
    Quick question…. do all teams do this?

    __________

    Yes, recording the sidelines is completely legal and ALL TEAMS DO IT. The only thing that was wrong here was that it was being filmed from an unapproved location.

  80. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    December 11, 2019 at 8:31 am
    Patriots homers sure are quiet today
    ——

    Why do they need to be quiet???

    Read….

    From NFL Now: The league feels inclined to believe the #Patriots’ intentions on videotaping the #Bengals,

    Awe… too bad

  81. garsondebramelow says:
    December 11, 2019 at 8:39 am
    Poker is easy when I know what cards you’re holding…

    Also…#firebruceallen

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    Poker is easy if your team is dumb enough to use the same signals each week

  82. Yes, recording the sidelines is completely legal and ALL TEAMS DO IT. The only thing that was wrong here was that it was being filmed from an unapproved location.

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    Last time: The team and football operations were NOT doing any filming.

    Learn the rules. The worst thing NE did here was not give a quick heads up to Cincy, but there is no rule that says they must.

    This is clearly blown way out proportion by Cincy bozos who clearly should have seen a documentary filming is happening.

    Our country is so dumb.

  83. Why would the Patriots even get involved in something like this, knowing their history? This is something you would steer clear of, if your intentions were innocent. They are dirty to the core, and I loved watching the Chief’s beat them last Sunday!

  84. Eagles ran a fake walk through the night before the SuperBowl because they knew there was a a risk the Patriots were watching them. Other teams have checked the visitor locker rooms for recording devices when playing at Gillette Stadoum. The rest of the NFL sees this as a very real problem.

  85. catquick says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:01 pm
    I have never seen Pats fans melt down harder than tis before, which tells me it must be true.

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    Apparently, in your world of delusion a “meltdown” means Pats fans get the facts and reality and talk about those said facts in a place of reality.

  86. Should the Patriots win this Sunday the Bengals can file a civil lawsuit against them claiming emotional harm as their reputation as a winning Team may now be tarnished for years to come.

    On the other hand, a loss to the Patriots is a clear ‘win’ as they secures 1st Place for the 2020 Draft.

    The Bengals have to seriously consider their options on a matter of this magnitude.

  87. It’s just not about Cincinnati any more than deflate gate was about the Colts and Spygate 1 etc. Those instances are just when they were finally caught. So the premise of ‘it wouldn’t make sense for the Pats to tape the 1 win Bengals’ is moot. When a liar or cheater gets caught, it’s just the first time they were caught after years of lying and cheating.
    Nothing under BB is legit win or lose …this much is clear. Hopefully the HOF will make this clear as well when the time comes.

  88. nflhofcounts says:
    December 11, 2019 at 10:11 am
    It’s just not about Cincinnati any more than deflate gate was about the Colts and Spygate 1 etc. Those instances are just when they were finally caught. So the premise of ‘it wouldn’t make sense for the Pats to tape the 1 win Bengals’ is moot. When a liar or cheater gets caught, it’s just the first time they were caught after years of lying and cheating.
    Nothing under BB is legit win or lose …this much is clear. Hopefully the HOF will make this clear as well when the time comes.

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    Ha ha, the HOF will let Brady and BB without the normal 5 year waiting period. Can’t wait to see all of your heads explode.

  89. chillyball says:
    December 11, 2019 at 9:44 am
    None of their rings count.

    #asterisk

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    All of their rings count, the best one is all of the other teams and their fans suffeRING !!!

  90. How many points did the Colts score after the 1.5 psi were added to the footballs???

    The Falcons won SB LI – Right?

    Because we all know that the Patriots can only win when cheating – Right?

  91. jackedupboonie says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:23 pm
    Bill knew what Seattle called on the 1 because of this type of recon work. It’s Houston Astros times 10.
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    Even though the actual NFL footage from the game tells a completely different version. Video confirms the Pats practiced defending the play earlier in the week. Game footage shows Belichick identifying the offensive personnel package for said play and starts screaming to put Butler in. Now understand that the Seattle’s offensive coordinator is verbally calling the play and all of this is happening in a 15 second time span.

  92. The guy was wearing Patriots gear and put his camera right in front of Bengals scouts.

    There was probably 12 Ravens scouts wearing everyday cloths filming the Browns sideline from the stands with cellphones.

    But yeah, we know… the Patriots are evil and the Ravens, who lost to the Browns, are pure geniuses analyzing 4th downs advanced stats, etc.

    Come on guys, that documentary thing is not a masterplan to win over a 1-12 team. ALL teams are doing much better work…

  93. Look this is very simple cut and dry.
    The Patriots violated NFL policy.
    The Patriots are repeat offenders.

    Suspend Belichick for the remainder of 2019 and the entire 2020 season.
    Forfeiture of all 2020 Draft Picks
    No Compensatory Draft picks awarded to them until 2025

    Case closed.

  94. Patriots fans are accused of having a meltdown. That’s funny 🙂 The only meltdown I’m seeing is not from them.

    Anyway it’s looking more unlikely that this is a cheating incident and as a fan of the champs that’s good enough for me. Roger being the 🤡 that he is of course won’t just release the video for the public to see it and close the book on it… imagine my shock.

  95. packmangamble says:
    December 10, 2019 at 8:56 pm
    Why do you need to cheat when you’re playing the Bengals???
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    Its about building back up that beta tape collection that was destroyed, not about the immediate game.

  96. Ha ha, the HOF will let Brady and BB without the normal 5 year waiting period. Can’t wait to see all of your heads explode.
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    I agree it would be a fitting gesture to two GOATs at their respective jobs but that’s never been done and they shouldn’t start now imo.

  97. I don’t know what the right punishment is, but I do know that this behaviour is repeated over and over again. Obviously a $1M fine to a billionaire isn’t going to cut it. Thats like fining me $10 bucks.

    I think it needs to be in the neighbourhood of like 3 first round picks. Make sure it really bites them in years to come. I don’t think you can take away a playoffs appearance, but that would have sent a very, very strong message to knock it off.

    Maybe it’s a suspension to Belichick for the remainder of the year with no team contact. Who knows, but they need to do something about this non-sense.

  98. Hilarious the amount of simpleton arguments being made for the Pats on here. Do you seriously think the Bengals record matters when the first Spygate investigation got started after the Patriots were caught stealing signals from a 4-12 Jets team? Signals aren’t useless and the fact that the Bengals radio in their calls doesn’t matter either because teams use signals to make adjustments. But go ahead, keep believing Robert Kraft, or the dude who stole millions of dollars from an owner on his death bed. It’s all just one big NY Jets and Roger Goodell conspiracy LOL.

  99. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 11, 2019 at 11:00 am
    Ha ha, the HOF will let Brady and BB without the normal 5 year waiting period. Can’t wait to see all of your heads explode.
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    I agree it would be a fitting gesture to two GOATs at their respective jobs but that’s never been done and they shouldn’t start now imo.

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    I know, and i agree it’s not a precedent i’d like to see set. But the heads exploding all over america would be amazing.

  100. Apparently, in your world of delusion a “meltdown” means Pats fans get the facts and reality and talk about those said facts in a place of reality.

    Hopefully you are not including yourself in this description of Pats fans because you wouldn’t know reality if it was peeing on your leg. For example you subscribe to the persecution complex that everyone is out to cheat the Pats…..
    Very rich chocolate cake right there, you subscribe to the reality that the only good players are Pats and only BB can draft good players…..I could go on but anyone frequenting these threads quickly realizes your grasp on reality is tenuous at best.

  101. Just because other teams do it, does NOT excuse the Patriots from doing it. The Patriots have more asterisks next to their championships than any other team. They’ve been caught violating the league rules the most. Where there is smoke, there is fire. Don’t ever tell a Patriots fan that though. It is amusing though…the teams that are doing well, typically are the ones filming their opponents. Cell phones are film crew…it’s going to happen and there is nothing the league can do to stop it. That doesn’t mean it should just be ” accepted ” as okay. Cheating is cheating, breaking rules is still breaking rules. You get busted…take your licks.

  102. Mesmerizing as always how the haters not only fail to absorb basic facts, but are now trying to change historical facts such as Pete Carroll blowing it at the goal line. A child can understand that this was incidental filming by a business unit using local Cleveland contractors that inadvertently violated NFL rules, meriting maybe a fine, yet here you are. This year alone, the Steelers were fined $75,000 for lying about Ben Roethelisberger in a series of official injury reports before he went on IR for surgery on his throwing arm. If the Patriots are fined more than what the Steelers got for their intentional and material deception, for what everyone with half a brain realizes was an accident, it simply sets the stage for yet another epic drubbing by the football gods to match those you’ve all absorbed so many times of late. I’d warn you to be careful what you wish for, but it’s honestly just so much fun to watch.

  103. What is ultra hilarious, is BB acting like Sgt Schultz. Kraft is no rocket scientist, but after the humiliation and penalties from Spygate 1.0 you would think all crews hired to ever shoot anything for the Patriots would be told IN WRITING–“Do not, at any time violate, in any way, or even appear to, the following”–insert here the VERY specific memo on what is and what is not allowed to be recorded at NFL games–but nope, they hired some crew, to shoot a very innocent little documentary, who then proceeded to set up a tripod OUTSIDE AND IN FRONT OF the Browns press box and point the camera directly at the upcoming opponents sideline coaches— when all they were meant to shoot was some b roll of the scout working in the booth. Yeah, ok. It is shocking how stupid/blind fans can be, but then again, its not my team being caught cheating literally the 5th time.

  104. Why with all this “cheating” the Patriot do, how on earth did they lose to KC? How on earth did they lose to Baltimore? How on earth did they lose to Houston? And how in the heck did they lose Super Bowls to Philly and the New York Giants??

  105. Voteforwiggsmofo says:
    December 11, 2019 at 9:06 am
    Why do they need to be quiet???

    Read….

    From NFL Now: The league feels inclined to believe the #Patriots’ intentions on videotaping the #Bengals,

    Awe… too bad

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    Yes because I will believe anything the league tells me. You sure like to believe that statement because it benefits the Patriots. I bet you also believed the NFL during the Deflategate saga Patriots homer…..

  106. Where there’s smoke there’s fire, and the Patriots have been burning for years. Time for the NFL to break out the fire extinguishers.

  107. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 11, 2019 at 10:55 am
    Patriots fans are accused of having a meltdown. That’s funny 🙂 The only meltdown I’m seeing is not from them.

    Anyway it’s looking more unlikely that this is a cheating incident and as a fan of the champs that’s good enough for me. Roger being the 🤡 that he is of course won’t just release the video for the public to see it and close the book on it… imagine my shock.
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    LMAO Patriots fans had a major meltdown after the game against the Chiefs. Just look at their social media sites. They want the official crew fired, rules changed, and investigation because they lost the game. Poor poor Patriots fans……

  108. Drat! We almost pulled off an absolutely necessary spy operation on the dreaded one win Bengals. We surely will lose now without that advantage.

  109. It’s like when a millionaire gets caught stealing
    The fact that they’re rich doesn’t excuse this type of behavior.
    It’s just the culture that Belichick has built over the years.

  110. danny woodson says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:22 pm
    belichick is a horrible coach the reason he wins is because he knows the opponents play calls very easy to win when you know a pass is coming so you tell the defense where to play
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    So no pass play ever resulted in a first down or touch down against the Pats? Since when and how exactly would that work? Do they pick and choose when to know what play is coming and how to defend it? Are there style points on how and when to leverage the information they got from cheating? Discriminating cheating. That’s something you don’t read everyday.

  111. jackedupboonie says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:23 pm
    Bill knew what Seattle called on the 1 because of this type of recon work. It’s Houston Astros times 10.
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    Interesting. And here some people thought it might be due to the fact Seattle ran that play before they played the Pats. Weird.

  112. logast says:
    December 11, 2019 at 6:54 am
    Recording in plain sight and directly in front of Bengals staffers. Sure looks like a cheating op to me. Please.
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    Of course it does! Every cheating op involves asking for permission before hand, right?

  113. theexcitedshoplifter says:
    December 11, 2019 at 4:53 am
    All the cheating scandals the Pats have been busted for is only the tip of the iceberg for all the other acts they have and continue to commit which are unknown by the NFL.
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    My magic 8 ball told me!

  114. Lockport Lax says:
    December 11, 2019 at 8:20 am
    -People keep saying why bother, it’s the bengals. It’s because it’s a brand new coaching staff, they haven’t had time to steal their signals yet!! Consider this excerpt from an ESPN piece in 2015 about Spygate:

    The videographers also were provided with excuses for what to tell NFL security if asked what they were doing: Tell them you’re filming the quarterbacks. Or the kickers. Or footage for a team show.

    That story was published in 2015. Sound familiar though????
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    Was there any indication in that article that pointed out they asked for permission first?

  115. ts1960 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 7:31 pm
    As as if the commenters here don’t understand how signals are called in. Can you say “green dot?” duh
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    You know when the green dot gets turned off teams then start using hand signals?

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