Spygate 2 investigation closer to beginning than end

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It’s entirely possible that the Spygate 2 investigation involving the Patriots will move quickly. However, it still hasn’t started.

Per multiple sources, the investigation regarding the events that resulted in a Patriots videographer taping Cincinnati’s sideline last weekend in Cleveland has yet to get rolling. As one source put it, the league office will turn its attention to the matter on Monday and Tuesday.

Another source explained that the Patriots have heard little from the league so far, with the NFL simply identifying the persons the league wants to interview and the materials that the Patriots should preserve.

One key question clearly will be — especially in light of the statement issued by the team’s video producer on Sunday night — whether and to what extent electronic evidence shows any connection between the video crew and football operations. Patriots coach Bill Belichick loudly has denied any such link. The league must confirm or debunk that claim in order to determine whether the incident was an accident or whether the claim of an accident was cover for intent.

99 responses to “Spygate 2 investigation closer to beginning than end

  1. Who cares anymore, they did/they didn’t. I’m excited for playoff football. Kraft and Goodell are best friends anyways, this is swept under the rug.

  2. The confrontation shown today was not flattering to NE.

    But this tape really was nothing like the Spygate tape. What was shown on the Spygate tape is cheating. I saw nothing that can be taken as cheating on the tape today. If “intent” is the question that should help the Patriots cause Defending themselves. We’ll see.

    Either way- Just stop shooting the freaking sidelines with the camera and all will be well.

  3. I see a Christmas tree at Pats HQ decorated with 50 computer hard drives with holes drilled in them for the ornament hooks.

  4. This cloud of suspicion will hang over the Patriots heads and distract them! Remember the last two times they were investigated:
    Spygate 1
    18-1 season

    Deflategate: Win SB 49

    Bogus suspension of Tom Brady

    Win SB 51.

    Given the recent state of New England’s offense, this couldn’t come at a better time!

  5. “ It was almost like the Pats D knew exactly what play the Bengals were running before the snap”

    So you think the Bengals, who have a copy of the the tape and knew exactly what plays were executed in that time, proceeded to use the exact same plays unaltered against the Pats? Really?

    SMH just laughing at you people

    You do realize the Pats have the all 22 film and other stuff the league makes available? That every team uses.

  6. smarterthanyouoryours says:
    December 15, 2019 at 9:46 pm
    Gosh, Pats got caught cheating?

    Well that’s unusual.

    59 31

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    I think you mean the NFL has been caught framing.

    Again.

  7. Patriots offense is… rough 😢

    I wouldn’t expect history to repeat itself when it comes to overcoming these distractions unless the offense finds themselves in these next 2 games. That’s not a lot of time.

  8. Disregard,asterisk every SB win. Its ALL tainted. Imagine, 12 years later, getting caught again. Who knows when the cheating began (tapes were suspiciously destroyed in ’07 for a reason. Likely to hide how far into spying they were. Why else destroy precious evidence). And now in 2019, doing the same thing, in different ways. Cameras will become small as dots and they will continue to cheat. All pats fans have to say “You’re Hating/Jealous”. Which is a ignorant answer. I as a real fan would be disappointed that my team is a farce. I’d be devastated that those SB wins I innocently celebrated, were tainted. I’d probably hate own team for cheating. But Pat fans….they don’t want to hear it and yell out haters. We all know the definition of those type of fans….I won’t say it cause comment will not be posted. In other words, simpletons reply with a Hater or you’re team sucks is why u jealous because they have nothing intelligent to respond with. Poor souls probably don’t care they cheated. Well, this will continue and they’ll get caught cheating somehow again. Spygate 3.0 in about 10 years,again.

  9. The tape will probably show Freddie repeatedly struggling with calling a play 15 seconds into the running play clock…

  10. Pats fans love to say that this filming is no big deal. Then why do the Pats keep doing it in violation of the rules? And why is it illegal in the first place if it’s no big deal.

  11. Now that the NFL is investigating the Real Cheating Begins = How to stop the Patriots with Fake News, Fines, Suspensions and loss of Draft Picks.

    Scouts can legally watch the other teams sideline with Binoculars and a Notepad – so were is the cheating???

    Get a life people – stop living in the Fake News world where accusations turn into full blown myths about why your team loses and others win.

  12. No one in their right mind would spy on the 1-13 Bengals! Come on – I could see the Pats doing this on a team that is a contender, but not a team that has lost almost every game-it wouldn’t be worth the risk. This was a case of someone doing something stupid with no evil intent. BTW – I’m a Seahawks fan

  13. Even if there is no real value to the video. And even if there is no connection to football operations. It’s against the rules and at least suspicious. In college, when rules are continuously broken but everyone has deniability, they call it A LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL.

    This is on the Patriots for not developing a culture where the rules matter. That can’t be denied. It’s inexcusable to send a film crew into the press box without sufficient oversight and education of the rules, given their history. This absolutely should involve a significant penalty.

  14. Why would he do this in plain sight in front of 2, maybe more franchises/scouts? Are you all seriously this dense? The guy set up a tripod for crying out loud.

    The videographer was credentialed for the first time that game. This was a dumb mistake.

  15. This investigation hasn’t started? What a joke. If there was an advanced scout from the Arizona Cardinals at the Browns game last week and the same thing happened, this would have been cleared up last Monday. The league would have said there was a simple misunderstanding by the camera crew, no wrongdoing took place and the matter was closed. And that would have been based on a couple of phone conversations. But, no, now they’re going to investigate

  16. I love my wife, but she knows very little about the game. Loves her team to death. Wears her team gear even when her team is in last place, and takes a lot of slack for doing so. She has no clue on how teams opperate. She asked me “Why were the Patriots filming at the Bengals Browns game?” I told her they were there to film their Scout for their web page show. Then she asked “What’s a Scout?”
    I had to explain what a Scout does. She then said “That seems like cheating, Do all teams have Scouts?” Yes I told her. Then she thought about it for a minute then asked “So let me get this right, a team can send a Scout to spy on other teams, you just can’t film it? Why do they need to film anyway. Aren’t all games filmed? They are on TV.” I told her everyone says they are sealing play signals. She asked “How can they steal play calls when they put the play sheet in front of their face when they call in the play over the radio.” That surprised me, I didn’t know she knew what a play sheet was. Then she said ,” I don’t understand, if you can send a Scout to spy on other games what information can a film give you that the Scout can’t see? Now’s she got me thinking, what can you get from a film that a Scout can’t see and make note of it?

  17. No Florio, the league does not *have* to do anything. This is not a court of law. It is a systemic and flagrant pattern of poor behavior on the part of an organization that has a long history with skirting the rules. What is on the tape is not material. You should know that. The Pats admitted the guys did wrong. If they bungled the caper it is still a caper.

    And year after year there is just more and more of it. League will not do anything about it, but it doesn’t mean the stench isn’t there.

  18. Well of Course the NFL will Drag this and make it to circus.Fine them suspended them or take Draft picks away do something and move on.Goodell is a moron when it comes to handling discipline on employees of the NFL and partners of the NFL.

  19. “Pats fans love to say that this filming is no big deal. Then why do the Pats keep doing it in violation of the rules? And why is it illegal in the first place if it’s no big deal.”
    __________

    Keep doing it? Two incidents in 20 years hardly constitutes a consistent pattern of “keep[ing] doing it”.

    As to why it is illegal, who cares? There are a myriad of things that are illegal that no one knows why. Goofy old laws like no spitting on the street, not riding an elephant, etc. Try concentrating on why people are such slaves to technical illegalities as opposed to common sense application of the way too many rules in existence in society.

  20. Guilty, but probably get little to no punishment from the NFL.
    Lucky the league’s too concerned with public image, especially during the 100th season.

  21. We’re going to Cleveland to cheat against Cincinnati. ..here put this Patriots shirt on, sincerely Bill..oh and make sure you get recordings in their headsets,since they don’t send plays in by signal anymore…can’t beat Bengals without this info

  22. Not surprising then that the video hits the day BEFORE the NFL allegedly starts an “investigation”.

    The commisioner’s “process” is to determine the punishment, use the media to stir public outcry, commission an “independent investigation” to gather information to support the punishment, announce the punishment, use the “policy manuals” to prevent the punished from challenging the punishment, use the federal court system to validate language in the policy manuals (not the handling of the punishment).

    Apparently this matter is in the “use the media to stir public outcry” phase. Using leaks and press releases is the weapon of choice for the league office. Collaborating with owners of uninvolved franchises is as well. This should all be very familiar territory…..

  23. I hope OLE ROG will fine the PATS our 2 nd round pick, cause we don’t need another corner, and Bill always swings and misses on his second rounders!!

  24. It would be funny, and probably never happen, if the league gave the Pats a the college death sentence for their repeated, unrepentant, cheating.

    Gotta love the video of the Pats video guys illegally cheating they showed on Sunday where the Pats video guy volunteered to delete the incriminating video if it would make everything go away.

    Bill, of course, knows nothing of this except for his locked room full of video tapes at the facility which have nothing to do with the documentary guys.

  25. Does any of it really matter? People who don’t like the Patriots are going to spin whatever alleged or confirmed facts to suit their agenda, that they think the Patriots dominating the league for a cool two decades was all a lie, that their team doesn’t suck as bad as they thought. I mean, that’s all these people can possibly gain from this. And it’s pathetic, because they’re celebratory when they think they have them pinched. Laugh out loud funny, yet so, so sad. The video looks like a whole lot of nothing, anyone can see that view from the stands, and, oh, by the way, I’m pretty sure the signals are almost entirely radioed in to your “green dot” guy in 2019. Every coach in the League covers his mouth with his play sheet for fear of actual lip readers deciphering what they say even from the TV broadcast….and do you think that’s JUST for the Patriots? Yeesh, c’mon, you guys. It doesn’t take a lot of brain power, seriously. I’d advise you all to get over it and get on with your lives. Your team wasn’t as good, period. What happens even IF the Pats were cheating hard the whole way through? Do you throw a years-late parade? Do you proudly hang by-default Super Bowl banners in Philly, Charlotte, Atlanta, Seattle, and now-LA/then-StL? How would this positively affect YOUR life, as a fan? Serious question, I’m genuinely curious about that. Because I know even if the Pats were ever stripped of everything, I’d feel no shame, I don’t play for the team. I’d feel no disappointment, I already enjoyed the experiences of winning and going to parades and just witnessing it all. Like that all happened, no one can change it, no one can take it away, and the formerly losing fans don’t go back and get the experience, it’s just a footnote in a record book. It wouldn’t cheapen the championships for me, I’m just a random dude watching. So what? So I just wonder why people are so desperate for this to be the truth. What does it change for you? Turn off your TVs and shut down your phones, go sit in a room alone for a while, and truly think about that.

  26. footballcrazycatlady says:
    December 15, 2019 at 11:21 pm
    No one in their right mind would spy on the 1-13 Bengals! Come on – I could see the Pats doing this on a team that is a contender, but not a team that has lost almost every game-it wouldn’t be worth the risk. This was a case of someone doing something stupid with no evil intent. BTW – I’m a Seahawks fan

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    Don’t think so small. He uses the tape for coaching tendencies. Not for a single game. If they have a game against a stronger Bengals team next year, he can go back and look at past coaching performances.

    Take the Rams for instance, if you know that McVay talks to the special team players during the game only if they are going to run a trick play and recorded that on video in week 3 of 2017, you can still use that in the Super Bowl in 2019 to predict when a trick play is coming.

    Attitudes like yours is why he keeps getting away with it.

  27. 32 Teams have Scouts watching other Teams sidelines with binoculars every week.

    There is nothing on that video that cannot be viewed by thousands of people every time a football game is played.

    Keep believing the fake news mantra.

  28. Don’t think so small. He uses the tape for coaching tendencies. Not for a single game. If they have a game against a stronger Bengals team next year, he can go back and look at past coaching performances.

    Unless the Bengals become a playoff team in the next 2 years they won’t play them for four years

    That’s how the scheduling works

    And if you saw the the clip they showed
    It’s from behind the bench you can’t see and signals it wasn’t focused on a specific coach.
    Just like the NFL reporter said , it’s both you can’t see on the TV copy of the coaches film

  29. LOL, i LOVE the excuses from pats fans! “well its the bengals, we dont need to cheat”. Its an NFL team with a new system that u have never seen before and u are fighting to keep at the top of the division with buffalo on ur heals………u have EVERY reason to cheat. and “its a third party, nothing to do with us”. Yes ofcourse its third party, bill cant hire his son to do it lol! And who benefits from filming the sideline and play calls????? The patriots FOOTBALL TEAM. They have done it before, then switched to a dif type of cheating (deflating footballs), got caught and now back to spying. It’s pretty cut and dry.

  30. solo681 says:
    December 16, 2019 at 8:41 am
    Boy aren’t you thick headed lol. Yes, anyone can watch…………..its ILLLLEGGALLLLLL to tape it and rewatch things over and over and over to catch something you missed. You are allowed to watch real time and take notes, thats IT. Taping it is 100% against the rules. What part of that don’t you get????

  31. The tape will probably show Freddie repeatedly struggling with calling a play 15 seconds into the running play clock…

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    I choked on my coffee as I read this. That was great

  32. Scouts can legally watch the other teams sideline with Binoculars and a Notepad – so were is the cheating???
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    Then why bother videotaping it in the first place. Its a scumbag organization that has been caught numerous times. 6 Titles, all of them tainted.

  33. Some jurisdictions have a “three strikes” rule that results in a life sentence. Given the Patriots’ history, the only fair punishment would be to ban Belicheat for life and take away all six titles. Everyone knows they weren’t earned anyway so why sweat it?

  34. dingee19 says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:05 am
    Scouts can legally watch the other teams sideline with Binoculars and a Notepad – so were is the cheating???
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    On the tape yesterday? There was none.

  35. I was able to watch a little of Golic and Wingo this morning. Golic Jr brought up a good point. Some are saying that nothing significant was on the tape. But, he said what on that tape footage is relevant to the “documentary” they claimed to be producing? I think that question needs to be answered. I’m pretty sure the “scout” wasn’t in that footage.

  36. CaptainDiddly says:
    December 16, 2019 at 8:18 am
    It’s not against the rules to film the sideline.

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    Belichick himself said it is.

  37. People realize that if any other team had a film crew not connected to football operations shoot a sideline because it was part of their doc and they didn’t know the rules it wouldn’t have risen to a story, right? You think this is the only time this kinda thing happens??? It’s paranoia by people who just assume the Pats have to have done something wrong to have been so successful.

    The Pats haven’t been caught doing anything wrong since Spygate and they were severely punished for that.

  38. Voteforwiggsmofo says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:25 am
    Then why bother videotaping it in the first place. Its a scumbag organization that has been caught numerous times. 6 Titles, all of them tainted

    Drama queen

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    None of them are tainted in any way shape or form.

  39. cbpod says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:20 am
    I was able to watch a little of Golic and Wingo this morning. Golic Jr brought up a good point. Some are saying that nothing significant was on the tape. But, he said what on that tape footage is relevant to the “documentary” they claimed to be producing? I think that question needs to be answered. I’m pretty sure the “scout” wasn’t in that footage.

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    The NFL can easily verify the claim about a B roll. They have their own video department. I expect the conclusion to be there’s nothing unusual about a 8 minute shot for that purpose at all.

  40. Wow the haters are all excited.What a joke. The video clearly shows that the documentary crew was separate from football operations. The video of the sideline is with coaches with their backs to camera. And the Patriots are supposed to steal signals. What would Patriots ask for credentials beforehand if trying to cheat. Why would they seek permission and openly film in press box. The Patriots are a dynasty
    and you have to beat them on the field to win the title. But the paranoia is really reaching Technically the documentary team independent of the team broke the rules so the team should be fined. But calling it cheating and reason for the Dynasty is an EXCUSE MADE BY WEAK SOFT LOSERS. Win the game or shut up panty waisted losers.

    1) Spygate was not against the rules at the time. Multiple head coaches are on record saying strealing signs was commonplace in game for 100 year.

    2) Deflategate evidence was botched enough so federal judge threw out case. Brady disproved air inflation is a joke by wining 3 more Super Bowl Titles AFTER deflategate playing with NFL approved balls.

    3) This incident was filmed by documentary crew that sought permission from Browns.
    Patriots immediately took responsibility and handed over tapes. All actions that they would not have done if trying to cheat.

    Whether you lie it or not they are the greatest Dynasty in NFL history. And they will continue to be until you beat them on field. Jerry ice used illegal stickum his whole career. 49ers sprayed offensive lineman with silicon. Bill Cowher of Steelers and Jimmy Johnson of cowboys openly confessed to stealing signals. Multiple teams were filming signals which is why Roger destroyed all the evidence in Spygate. Colts caught piping in artificial crowd noise. Giants caught using electronic devices. Every NFL team has been fined and disciplined by NFL. Multiple players suspended for PED use which is cheating. So save your holier than thou crap for the lap dogs that believe it. The only reason it is news is the Patriots WIN and the losers cannot handle it. If the Patriot sh ad never won a title these stories would be back page news. Win the game or shut up.

  41. jmalit05 says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:22 am
    People realize that if any other team had a film crew not connected to football operations shoot a sideline because it was part of their doc and they didn’t know the rules it wouldn’t have risen to a story, right? You think this is the only time this kinda thing happens??? It’s paranoia by people who just assume the Pats have to have done something wrong to have been so successful.

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    The Pats of all teams should have been more careful about the perception of pointing a camera at the sideline no matter what the reason for doing it was. Hopefully they will in the future.

  42. That’s alot of confidence and enthusiasm to be dead wrong with lol No it is not “ILLEGAL TO FILM IY AMD GO BACK SND EATCH TO SEE WHAT YOU MAY HAVE MISSED”. It’s perfectly legal to film the sideline, you just can’t do it from certain locations (ie the press box) I feel like if more people realized this, they’d see how silly this all is.

  43. What a joke. Stupid lap dog fans fall for their own paranoia. If the Patriots won Super Bowl supposedly by stealing signals the whole crowd can see and if teams suspect it is reason they win then how come no coaches are changing their signals and putting Patriots in position to lose. If the Patriots supposedly know your plays then why not call opposite play on opposite side of field and catch Patriots out of position both offensively and defensively. If the Patriots win only because they know plays then it is easy to make them lose by calling opposite plays. But coaches do not do this because they all know it is not a competitive advantage. The only thing it is is an excuse for LOSING.

  44. “It was almost like the Pats D knew exactly what play the Bengals were running before the snap…”

    … because every play the Bengals ran was in that eight minute video that the Patriots never got, right?

  45. Well since New England are repeat offenders…..

    Suspend Belichick for the remainder of the 2019 season and the entire 2020 season.
    Forfeiture of all 2020 draft picks.
    No compensatory draft picks until 2025.

    that should keep them from doing this again.

  46. “I was able to watch a little of Golic and Wingo this morning. Golic Jr brought up a good point. Some are saying that nothing significant was on the tape. But, he said what on that tape footage is relevant to the “documentary” they claimed to be producing? I think that question needs to be answered. I’m pretty sure the “scout” wasn’t in that footage.”

    Common sense would tell you that the “Do Your Job” movie wouldn’t just show the scouts face and nothing else, you’re going to see footage showing what the scout is looking at and for as well.

  47. GoodellMustGo is absolutely right here – the Golic comment isn’t smart at all. Doc producers use all sorts of footage as B Roll. It’s not hard to imagine a compare/contrast segment in which the Pats are seen destroying a team, with each of the players “doing their jobs” and then to contrast that with a team that’s a bit whinier, less organized, confused about their assignments. Who better to shoot for that than the Bengals???

  48. The Pats haven’t been caught doing anything wrong since Spygate and they were severely punished for that.

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    What I saw on the tape yesterday wasn’t anything like the Spygate tape was. I suspect the league agrees and that’s why we have not heard leaks they they are considering suspensions for Belichick or anyone else on the football side.

  49. It’s perfectly legal to film the sideline, you just can’t do it from certain locations (ie the press box) I feel like if more people realized this, they’d see how silly this all is.

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    Belichick said what the videographer did was not legal.

  50. Regardless if they did or didn’t, how ridiculous is it that the NFL continues to have the inability to handle PR issues? You’d think they’d have a playbook by now.

  51. “Keep doing it? Two incidents in 20 years hardly constitutes a consistent pattern of “keep[ing] doing it”.

    As to why it is illegal, who cares? There are a myriad of things that are illegal that no one knows why. Goofy old laws like no spitting on the street, not riding an elephant, etc. Try concentrating on why people are such slaves to technical illegalities as opposed to common sense application of the way too many rules in existence in society.”
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    1 team does it more than once. The other 31 don’t. Yes, that is a pattern of misbehavior.

    Rules provide boundary and structure and attempt to provide a level playing field for all. Without them, neither civil society or the game of football would exist. Arguing that the rule is antiquated or should be ignored because “Who Cares?” is patently ridiculous.

  52. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:29 am
    cbpod says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:20 am
    I was able to watch a little of Golic and Wingo this morning. Golic Jr brought up a good point. Some are saying that nothing significant was on the tape. But, he said what on that tape footage is relevant to the “documentary” they claimed to be producing? I think that question needs to be answered. I’m pretty sure the “scout” wasn’t in that footage.

    ——
    The NFL can easily verify the claim about a B roll. They have their own video department. I expect the conclusion to be there’s nothing unusual about a 8 minute shot for that purpose at all.

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    Only problem is, Cincy broke a rule by filming NE’s production crew and the media isn’t even taliking about that.

    Did they get permission from Cleveland to do it? Answer? NO

    Goodell best be careful here, because I don’t think the Pats are going to continue to sit idly by and be framed ever again. It’s just not going to happen. They’ve been down this road 2 other times and they probably felt by allowing Framegate I they paid their dues x 100. It’s why they fought Famregate II and won in a federal court.

  53. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:54 am
    It’s perfectly legal to film the sideline, you just can’t do it from certain locations (ie the press box) I feel like if more people realized this, they’d see how silly this all is.

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    Belichick said what the videographer did was not legal.

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    Not true. Since it was not from head on, the producer probably didn’t it was anything wrong. This whole thing gets blown up because It’s the Pats. Any normal situation would have been a quick conversation and that would be it.

    You wouldn’t be seeing a team wait out some kind of misunderstanding, and then run to the media and commissioner to try to paint a different picture. The sensitivity over this is outrageous, all because Woody Johnson is jealous and embarrassed he dealt BB away for a 1st rd pick. Once NE won 3 SBs in 4 years, the league asked “How do we stop this? If BB and Brady are together for another 10 years, the league will lose money. We must stop them.”……..

    So, Woody Johnson overpays Manboobs, Manboobs steals have of BB’s staff in the division, a league known no-no, picks Manboob’s brain and then convinces Goodell that somehow ONLY NE is getting advantage.

    This is why on 9.6.06, Goodell’s first act as commissioner he changed the in-game filming rule, to essentially take away a perceived advantage for only NE. Meanwhile, we learn every team does what NE does, it’s just that when you have brilliant people like BB, Brady and Ernie Adams, all with photographic memories, it may be seen they have some specific advantage.

    Really, what it is, is punishing someone for being brilliant or successful in our society. The Pats know the score. They know what Goodell has been doing and WHY Goodell, a former Jets employee from NY, was hired.

    He also said it’s not a football issue. He was ticked off that this kind of attention was drawn to it, not that it’s illegal for a tv crew to shoot from the press box.

    NE shot from the press box vs the Skins this year and nothing was said. I’ve seen the segment. Anyone can see it. You can’t tell me it’s not the same production crew. The difference is, the Skins are in the NFC and play NE every 4 years. Note the patterns with the framejobs..They’re all AFC teams running to Goodell. I can guarantee you both BB and kraft are not amused by MIke Brown’s antics here.

    This is because Cincy is mortified at being 1-13 now and Mike Brown is losing tons of money by the week. There were 75% Pats fans in the stadium on Sunday.

    THAT is what this is REALLY about here.

  54. My business has been featured on TV several times, last time a cameraman and a reporter spent 3 hours filming me, for a 4 MINUTE TV segment. Anyone, but especially anyone in the media saying “why doesn’t the tape show the Scout” is either incompetent, or outright lying. Rule violation and fine for sure, cheating? Ridiculous.

    Can anyone explain how Jay Glazer has a copy when only NFL Security and the Bengals are supposed too?

  55. WAKE UP People = The entire field and sidelines are viewable and watchable by everyone and anyone especially Team Scouts.

    A video does not change the outcome of a game = This is as illegal as a parking ticket.

    What is illegal and actually changes the outcome of a Game is when Refs use the yellow flag to control the outcome.
    Last year the NFL attempted to guide the Rams vs KC SB. The NFL succeeded in giving the NFCCG to the Rams but were, once again, defeated by the Patriots in the AFCCG.

  56. I watched the footage this morning. Talk about cringy… that deep New England accent “I can delete the footage right now.” He knew he was busted. Great job by the Cincinnati Security team.

  57. Where was the outrage when Miami had all of the Pats signals and AUDIO recording in that game when Jason Taylor sacked Brady almost every play. No fallout. How about when the Jets were caught recording the Pats signals? Or when other teams had deflated balls and were told not to do that again.
    But faux outrage at a documentary filming that had nothing to do with the football people? LAUGHABLE.

  58. 1 team does it more than once. The other 31 don’t. Yes, that is a pattern of misbehavior.

    If you are THAT naive to think that at this very moment, all 32 teams aren’t doing something to gain a competitive edge (and always have), then I don’t know what to tell you. Most all of them are on record admitting it. But somehow, Belichick is the only human who has “figured out” how to use this to leapfrog to multiple Super Bowl wins? If you stop to think logically for once, it’s clearly ludicrous.

    The Patriots are hated for beating the tar out of everyone so long. That’s why they’re under this ridiculous microscope.

  59. Yes what the videographer did was not legal…. Bc he was in the press box. Like I said, it is not illegal to film the sideline, as long as it’s not from certain locations. If you can tape something what difference does a few feet left, right, etc make? It’s as dumb a rule as the tuck rule was.

  60. *** WAKE UP People = The entire field and sidelines are viewable and watchable by everyone and anyone especially Team Scouts.

    A video does not change the outcome of a game = This is as illegal as a parking ticket.

    What is illegal and actually changes the outcome of a Game is when Refs use the yellow flag to control the outcome.
    Last year the NFL attempted to guide the Rams vs KC SB. The NFL succeeded in giving the NFCCG to the Rams but were, once again, defeated by the Patriots in the AFCCG.

  61. LOL at the commenter stating Mike Brown being mortified by losing. The man is a comfortable as any owner in the league while losing. Business as usual for The Bengals. I’m not a big fan of lose-out conspiracies but I suspect there are a lot of people in Cincy circles hoping The Dolphins and Giants win one more each so Cincy can lock into that Burrow pick..

  62. nflfan12blog says:
    December 16, 2019 at 10:18 am
    My business has been featured on TV several times, last time a cameraman and a reporter spent 3 hours filming me, for a 4 MINUTE TV segment. Anyone, but especially anyone in the media saying “why doesn’t the tape show the Scout” is either incompetent, or outright lying. Rule violation and fine for sure, cheating? Ridiculous.

    Can anyone explain how Jay Glazer has a copy when only NFL Security and the Bengals are supposed too?

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    I would imagine the Bungles sent their copy to Fox. I cannot imagine NE or the NFL, assuming the NFL is being transparent here, and that’s a BIG IF, being too happy with that.

    And yes, you are correct in that the media is lying as are some on here claiming to work in the industry saying it’s “too long of a B roll shot”..That’s B roll is. I also work in the industry and the Birds of Prey person above is lying.

  63. RussianBreadMaker says:
    December 16, 2019 at 10:23 am
    I watched the footage this morning. Talk about cringy… that deep New England accent “I can delete the footage right now.” He knew he was busted. Great job by the Cincinnati Security team.

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    Yes, I always announce it to a cop when I want to go speeding by an intersection.

    Listen to yourself.

    Bengals employees shot film from the press box. Is it illegal or not?

    LOL

  64. I would imagine the Bungles sent their copy to Fox. I cannot imagine NE or the NFL, assuming the NFL is being transparent here, and that’s a BIG IF, being too happy with that.
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    No, it was Jay Glazer that got it and played it on Fox. It was made crystal clear that Jay got it not Fox. It of course is not the real NE tape, just what the Cinci guys filmed- makes it look more sinister than in reality.

    Note- even if Cinci did give the tape to Fox- that has no place either, and should also be “investigated’ as to why. Seems just like when ESPN giving completely false PSI ratings in Deflategate without an NFL correction. So much for any NFL “thorough” investigation.

  65. ikeclanton says:
    December 16, 2019 at 10:33 am
    1 team does it more than once. The other 31 don’t. Yes, that is a pattern of misbehavior.

    If you are THAT naive to think that at this very moment, all 32 teams aren’t doing something to gain a competitive edge (and always have), then I don’t know what to tell you. Most all of them are on record admitting it. But somehow, Belichick is the only human who has “figured out” how to use this to leapfrog to multiple Super Bowl wins? If you stop to think logically for once, it’s clearly ludicrous.

    The Patriots are hated for beating the tar out of everyone so long. That’s why they’re under this ridiculous microscope.

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    It’s not even that…….It’s how you can paint somethihg as “cheating”…When you cheat, you show intent and gain an advantage no one else has.

    This is why it’s funny to me that adults believe Roger Goodell. He’s been caught lying in federal courts on numerous occasions by 2 different federal judges saying he’s lied to frame this supposed “cheating”.

    And, if Kraft fought Framegate I instead of being nice about it and not telling the public why the rule was changed in the first place (to target the Pats), and BB’s minor conduct unbecoming FU of the Jets sideline, was just that, we wouldn’t be here.

    If Mike Tomlin can step onto a filed INTENTIONALLY and only get a 100K fine for conduct unbecoming, why were the Pats framed for something that wasn’t true?

    Why did the media leave out the Jets asking for a 2nd cameraman spot (illegal when you can only have 1) in Foxborough in January of 2007, setting off BB visbily trying to antagnoize Manboobs?

    Why does the Jets tampering of Parcells in 1997 during the SB by the Jets, and the origins of the Jets skecthy behavior AGAINST NE, go completely unreported?

    Why does the hiring of Goodell during a very successful period for the NFL under Tagliabue go unreported, and WHY the first order of business ONCE Woody Johnson took an unqualified Mangini out of NE, and 50% of BB’s staff as well, matching up the timing of the rule change and memo, targeting NE, go unreported?

    This is the story. It’s always been the story. Woody Johnson was appeased to hire Goodell and use him to be able to try to cheat NE when it could be framed as “cheating” to try to gain advantages on NE based on stealing the draft picks.

    This is why Goodell needs to market these things as sinister, when we learn later they clearly are not.

    This is how Pats fans knew Deflategate was made up. The Pats KNOW why Goodell was hired and why Woody Johnson

    It’s fort of like LA COnfidential when James Cromwell’s character says to Guy Pearce’s: “He’s just a guy (about Russell Crowwe’s character) who answers ‘yes’ from time to time”……This is regarding the corruption the LA PD was doling out in the movie.

    That’s Woody Johsnon when he vetted Goodell…”Are you willing to do what we tell you to do, regardless of what it is to keep your job”………

    Goodell: YES. Absolutely.

    THAT is the story the media ignores.

  66. We need to stop nitpicking and rationalizing! Filming an opponent’s sideline, regardless of what the content shows, is bad! The Pats know this! The Pats got caught!

    Most objective observers are waiting to see how severe the punishment will be.

  67. Another tiresome manufactured “gotcha!” moment, courtesy of wannabe-hotshot staffers from lesser teams (see: past examples from Jets, Colts, Ravens, etc., etc.). Feeble Bengals staff and/or management saw an opportunity to make hay, and played cops & robbers instead of handling it like mature adults.

  68. nflfan12blog says:
    December 16, 2019 at 10:18 am
    My business has been featured on TV several times, last time a cameraman and a reporter spent 3 hours filming me, for a 4 MINUTE TV segment. Anyone, but especially anyone in the media saying “why doesn’t the tape show the Scout” is either incompetent, or outright lying. Rule violation and fine for sure, cheating? Ridiculous.

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    This guy gets it. Most people reacting to this situation have no idea how pedestrian all of this is, and how routine everything this film crew did is. If you have experience working with media, especially this kind of promo-video-production media, this all sounds familiar.

  69. footballcrazycatlady says:
    December 15, 2019 at 11:21 pm
    No one in their right mind would spy on the 1-13 Bengals! Come on – I could see the Pats doing this on a team that is a contender, but not a team that has lost almost every game-it wouldn’t be worth the risk.
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    Spygate involved the Pats taping a horrible Jets team that finished that season 4-12.
    As head coach of the Broncos, Josh McDaniels had the 49ers practice taped. The 49ers went 6-10 that season.
    Tell me again how you can only see it happening to a team that is a contender.

  70. This whole filming thing is so stupid. Just ban any and all game day filming by teams. Make it simple.

    But of course it’s “you can film this, but not that. you can only look at that.” And what is “that”? Well, you can see it from any seat in the stands.

    It’s all so stupid.

  71. dfwhawkguy says:
    December 15, 2019 at 9:52 pm
    It was almost like the Pats D knew exactly what play the Bengals were running before the snap…

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    Or maybe the Bengals showed exactly why they only have 1 win this season?

  72. Ya, the Patriots plan to “spy” on the 1-12 Bengals was to walk into the press box during a game and setup tripods and cameras and a computer monitor and hope no one notices. How devious! What a plan! They could watch the Bengals coach hold something in front of his face and call in the play by talking into the head set. That is worth the risk for sure! What an advantage!
    Btw, there is no nfl rule against filming the sidelines and there was no rule against it in 2006. The only rule broken this time or back in 2006 is the location of the camera. It is against the nfl rules to film from the press box. When a team is filming a game (which is allowed by nfl rules), the camera can film whatever is in view of the camera, the field, the sidelines, the band, hot babes in the stands or the blimp flying by. Whatever is in view can be filmed. There is no rule against filming the sidelines. On the weekly game films that the nfl mandates must be sent to opponents after each game, the sidelines are often visible.

  73. Grumpy Santa says:
    December 16, 2019 at 9:44 am
    “I was able to watch a little of Golic and Wingo this morning. Golic Jr brought up a good point. Some are saying that nothing significant was on the tape. But, he said what on that tape footage is relevant to the “documentary” they claimed to be producing? I think that question needs to be answered. I’m pretty sure the “scout” wasn’t in that footage.”

    Common sense would tell you that the “Do Your Job” movie wouldn’t just show the scouts face and nothing else, you’re going to see footage showing what the scout is looking at and for as well.
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    Exactly. If someone did a feature on Mike Golic Sr., it wouldn’t be only shots of Golic. There might be footage of the ND campus and football field, the ESPN offices, the studio they use for his show and so on. It’s ignorant of Golic Jr. to think that a feature on a person would show them 100% of the time and nothing else.

  74. Force the sale finally. Nothing under BB is legit either way, and this just further cements that legacy. What a complete joke this franchise is, everyone knows it…and the HOF will vote that way as they have with Bonds when the time comes.

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