Are Browns headed for a coaching change?

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As Sunday Splash! reports go, it was more of a mangled tree stump dumped into the shallow end of a wading pool. And, after Sunday’s game between the Browns and the Cardinals, it quite possibly sets the table for the very outcome against which it was pushing back.

“[A]s of right now, barring a horrific collapse or circumstance to end the season, it appears the Browns will be moving forward with [Freddie] Kitchens,” Ian Rapoport of NFL Media wrote.

“Appears” gives the report plenty of wiggle room from the get go. “Barring a horrific collapse or circumstance” does even more of the same, with horror residing squarely in the eye of the beholder.

So does Sunday’s loss to the Cardinals, a team that had lost six in a row, help or hurt Kitchens? It definitely doesn’t help.

Beyond the sideline spat between Kitchens and receiver Jarvis Landry, Mike Silver of NFL Media reported (citing two unnamed sources) that multiple Browns players yelled “come get me” to the Cardinals after the game, with the message being that the Browns players prefer playing for the Cardinals. One of the players, per the report, was Landry.

It’s one thing for Browns players to pine for a place like the Patriots. But Arizona? The worst team in the league a year ago? That’s a slap in the face.

Then there are the comments from Browns running back Kareem Hunt, who openly questioned the team’s effort and desire in the first half of the game. Hunt also questioned the players’ effort throughout the game.

Relative to the history of the resurrected Browns during their 20 years in Cleveland, recent events are far from the worst that has happened to the organization. But it’s precisely the kind of thing that fits within the clear exception to a half-hearted vote of confidence that, frankly, feels like the product of a direct request from Kitchens for some sort of clarity regarding his status.

113 responses to “Are Browns headed for a coaching change?

  1. Getting drafted or traded or ending up playing for them can never be bragging rights for any player.
    Can’t blame any of them for wanting to leave.

  2. They’ve won 4 out of 6 and defense is completely decimated. If they were going to make a change it probably would have happened earlier in the season.

  3. The Browns sneeded to spend a decade being awful to accumulate the draft picks and cap carry over that allowed them to assemble all this talent.

    Then they handed it to Freddie Kitchens.

  4. Worst coaching hire in the NFL in the last twenty years. Up there with Jim Tomsula of the 49ers. If this guy walks into a room, you think he’s head coaching material? Seriously?

  5. well Hue somehow kept his job after 0-16, so big Freddie probably not packing his bags yet. But if the Browns mail it in again like last Sunday, then all means can him. McCarthy in 2020

  6. Kitchens has to be on the red hot seat if they have not decided on replacing him.

    There are injuries, but every team is dealing with that. Being prepared, out scheming opposing team, minimizing controversy, and effort should be be the issues. Unfortunately, those issues do exist. Next….

  7. Kitchens has to be on the red hot seat if they have not decided on replacing him.

    There are injuries, but every team is dealing with that. Being prepared, out scheming opposing team, minimizing controversy, and effort should not be issues. Unfortunately, those issues do exist. Next….

  8. Used to be the Browns changed QBs every year now it is coaches. I don’t necessarily think Kitchens is the guy, but they need to find someone they can stick with. Teams need stability to be successful.

  9. I can think of no better collection of malcontents, divas and underperformers then this current roster and coaching staff of the Browns, that deserves to be kept together for next season. Let them all stay locked in the dungeon aka, circular firing squad they’ve created, bickering, criticizing each other and ensuring an even worse record for the Browns next season.

    Oh…and get Hard Knocks in there for some real pre-season entertainment!

  10. This must be the “Hype” Mayfield was bragging about before the season. In fairness to Kitchens though, (And I do think he is in over his head) OBJ and Landry are clowns that do this wherever they are. Landry caught 400 passes in his 4 years in Miami and still complained. Not about not winning, but not getting the ball enough. I told my buddy who is a Browns fan that this would happen if the team struggled and these two weren’t putting up the numbers they wanted to.. He said there was no way because OBJ and Landry were college teammates and were happy to work together… LOL… This team is a mess. I keep hearing McCarthy. You think he will handle the locker room any better than “Heat In the” Kitchens?

  11. vancouversportsbro says:
    December 17, 2019 at 6:31 pm
    Worst coaching hire in the NFL in the last twenty years. Up there with Jim Tomsula of the 49ers. If this guy walks into a room, you think he’s head coaching material? Seriously?
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    Cam Cameron was 100 times a worse hire…

  12. Mr. Florio, would love to hear your take on what John Dorsey’s part is in the dysfunction of the Browns.
    Thanks, an upset Browns fan

  13. Dorsey should go for drafting Mayfield ahead of Jackson, Allen and Darnold. A mistake that will haunt the Browns for years.

  14. So just for grins, think about how this would go down.

    What if the Browns offered Kaepernick the starting QB job?

  15. As soon as the season ends I would have Ron Rivera on speed dial to come in and restore the order on that team.

  16. How come Kitchens gets all the heat? How about John Dorsey? 18 months ago he was being praised for all the talent he was accumulating, which led to all of the premature hype. Seems like he’s quietly receded into the background and let ole Freddie take all the blame.

  17. Aside from the bone headed mistakes he has made throughout the year, he has also lost the locker room. This seems like an easy decision.

  18. First off…Silver is a Clown…yesterday it was come get me before the game…today, it was after the game.

    If a ‘source’ is un-named that means it doesnt exist…if he would have said sources that ‘requested anonymity’ that may have had creedance.

    In all due respect, he has had an axe to grind for Hue Jackson and this is his opportunity.

    Bottom line is the coach isnt gonna make some of these divas show up or show out because unfortunately the players have more clout than ever before.

    Perhaps if a few of the owners had a ‘set’ and sued the malcontents for breach of contract or conduct detrimental this would change.

    Not gonna happen though…and it’s too bad cuz the fans are ultimately being the ones that are screwed out of their disposable income.

    Go Nick Chubb…I wish every player on every team were like you…go to work, keep your pie hole shut and do your job.

  19. The Browns need Rex Ryan – he’d put his foot down, not take his time dipping his toes in the water, get rid of all of the heels on the team, and jump in with both feet.

  20. Keeping him or firing him is a tough call. On the one hand, it’s hard to argue that he’s done well. On the other hand, constantly firing coaches is one of the reasons why the Browns have been terrible for 20+ years. Sometimes it’s best to be patient. I notice that the best organizations aren’t changing head coaches every year.

  21. Freddie Tomsula

    I hate when a desperate owner reaches on a head coach and ruins a good thing with a decent coordinator…

  22. Thought Kitchens was a reach from the beginning considering his experience.
    Think Dorsey wanted to hit a home run here based on Mayfield saying last year about how great he thought Kitchens was. Dorsey thought it might be a special relationship between the two but it didn’t pan out.

    Another year like this and Dorsey will be gone so I think McCarthy better be in here quick.

  23. Outside the offensive skill positions they aren’t a talented team, particularly with all the injuries on D. The QB hasn’t played well, both tackles and right guard are terrible, defensive tackle is poor, linebacker is mostly poor, strong safety is poor, neither corner can tackle and they’re playing the 2nd half of the season without both starting defensive ends. If they weren’t the hyped up “Browns” they’d be a .500 team at best.

  24. Within a couple of years they need to pay Myles Garrett their best player on defense, and after that Baker M, if he is still on the team. And no more #1 picks in the draft. All their competitive advantages will be gone by the time Kitchens gets experience…the next year or two would have been their best chance.

  25. He’s an idiot but you can’t keep changing coaching every 1 to 2 years.

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    So you are saying keep the idiot ?

    What I’m saying is that there’s no chance to ever create continuity by changing every 2 years. He has no chance to improve if gone after a year.

    7 coaches In 12 years. Can’t ever fix anything at this rate. As a bills fan I can verify that this won’t ever work. Regardless of talent

  26. While he may be over his head, just going off of recent history, Kitchens should be getting a contract extension or a statue. Unless the Browns can land a A+ hire guaranteed, why fire yet another coach?

  27. They kept Hue after a 0-16 season and the folling year after a 1-15 season. Hue went 1-31 and kept his job there’s NO WAY Kitchens is going anywhere yet!

  28. onebuffalove716 says:
    December 17, 2019 at 7:52 pm
    He’s an idiot but you can’t keep changing coaching every 1 to 2 years.

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    So you are saying keep the idiot ?

    What I’m saying is that there’s no chance to ever create continuity by changing every 2 years. He has no chance to improve if gone after a year.

    7 coaches In 12 years. Can’t ever fix anything at this rate. As a bills fan I can verify that this won’t ever work. Regardless of talent
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    OH PLEASE keep him, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!

  29. bigblue59 says:
    December 17, 2019 at 7:18 pm

    To much heat in the kitchen
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    More like “too much time in the kitchen”!

  30. onebuffalove716 says:
    December 17, 2019 at 7:52 pm

    What I’m saying is that there’s no chance to ever create continuity by changing every 2 years. He has no chance to improve if gone after a year.

    7 coaches In 12 years. Can’t ever fix anything at this rate. As a bills fan I can verify that this won’t ever work. Regardless of talent

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    Cincinatti kept the same coach for 16 years with 0 playoff wins. Keeping a bad coach doesn’t mean that you will eventually be successful.

    Hiring a good coach leads to playoff wins, figuring out whether it’s the coach or the team that needs fixing is the question.

  31. first they kept the wrong assistant…..2nd…stop with the McCarthy in 2020….the last thing that team in Cleveland wants to do is get the old gang back together…..if they do not have a deal in place for Ron Rivera by the end of the week…..you will know owning an NFL team is not about winning games.

    maybe someday ill do the research and see whats the Browns worth is vs the Pats….

  32. Only the Browns can have multiple 1st/2nd round picks, and those players are getting VASTLY out performed by the same number of the Vikings 7th round and UFA’s in their 2019 draft class!

  33. Vince Lombardi could not have kept this bunch of overhyped guys focused but ole Freddie has to go.

  34. Cincinatti kept the same coach for 16 years with 0 playoff wins. Keeping a bad coach doesn’t mean that you will eventually be successful.

    Hiring a good coach leads to playoff wins, figuring out whether it’s the coach or the team that needs fixing is the question.

    Not defending him, but no coach since their return lasted more than 4 years. It’s not his fault they choose him. They need to stick with him for another year to see if they improve.

    They should have went after McDermott. That’s their loss

  35. Gee, remember the good ol’ days this summer when Baker was raging against Duke Johnson, telling him that if he didn’t want anyone around who didn’t want to be there, and for Duke , to get the bleep out? He gonna tell OBJ and Landry the same now? We don’t want anybody around here who doesn’t buy in 100 percent, he said… well, they’re calling your bluff, aren’t they?

  36. The jury is still out on Baker Mayfield, to say the least, and who signed O’Dell Beckham? I don’t think the Browns are just a coach away from being an ideal franchise. This owner has swung and missed repeatedly, but he has always been pretty quick to recognize he made the mistake. I wouldn’t be buying stock in the coach or the GM. That doesn’t mean a change is suddenly going to work, especially after so many have failed. But change seems to be constant with this owner. Denver makes a lot of changes too, and change for the sake of change is the sign of trouble at the very top. I think the fans in Cleveland are getting a pretty good sense of that.

  37. Give Baker a decent offensive coach and he’ll be just like he was in college. Downvote me all you want hypocrites! Lol

  38. I love the Browns, and had faith in Freddie for a while. But he needs to go. His comments, general lifeless attitude and playcalling just makes me pissed off lol. Would really like to see Rivera step in and see what he can do with our squad.

  39. It would be just like the Browns to keep Kitchens. He’s a clown who should have never been hired in the first place and if they are seriously considering keeping him then they are truly clowns. He’s in so far over his head it’s unbelievable.

    I thought it was a mistake when they traded for Landry because of his behavior. Then they made it worse by getting fleeced in that trade for OBJ. Now, to nobody’s surprise, both are whining and want to be traded. What team is going to trade for those two headaches?

    Then you have Mayfield who could probably be a good QB but has yet to learn how to keep his mouth shut. The only one on that team anyone would want is Chubb. I feel bad for him to be stuck with such a disaster of a team.

  40. Dorsey and Kitchens are not capable of creating a winning atmosphere. In today’s NFL there has to be a CEO type of coach, not a child who wears tshirts that his kids suggest and a GM who brings in a million troubled personalities at the same time. They just aren’t good enough at their jobs and it’s showing in the product on the field. Shen you have players questioning the effort level, players engaging in stupid beefs instead of focusing on the game, fussing about questions from reporters (okay all of that is about Mayfield, the bro moron), you aren’t going anywhere as a team.

  41. Here is the problem we will have 2 wrs over a 1000 yards hopefully the league rushing title that should be over 1500 yards this season a qb with around 3500 yards or more and i see them winning less than 8 games if the coaching staff was worth keeping chubbs would be going after the rushing record set by Eric Dickerson of 2,105 yards easy and both wrs would be looking at well over 1500 yards possibly one of the breaking 1,964 yards, set by Calvin Johnson and our qb well over 4500 yards we have seen the horrible play calls this season say this is not a possibility with the right coaching staff

  42. GM’s make huge mistakes all the time. Make bad head coach hires and give them 2,3 or 4 years of failure.
    The good GM’s catch their mistake before it gets worse.
    Good luck Dorsey

  43. He’s just not head coach material, at least not yet. He was a running backs coach just last year for christ sake! They’ve accumulated all these talents over the years and now they let THIS guy to run the team? Come on!

  44. fishfan77 says:
    December 17, 2019 at 6:43 pm
    vancouversportsbro says:
    December 17, 2019 at 6:31 pm
    Worst coaching hire in the NFL in the last twenty years. Up there with Jim Tomsula of the 49ers. If this guy walks into a room, you think he’s head coaching material? Seriously?
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    Cam Cameron was 100 times a worse hire…
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    Hue Jackson was 1,000 times worse.

  45. If Jimmy Haslam were smart, he’d make a big offer to Mike McCarthy and beg him to be the Head Coach. McCarthy coached Aaron Rodgers, one of the biggest divas in NFL history for over 10 years and won a Super Bowl with him, so he knows how to deal with difficult personalities. His overall record is 125-77-2 and he’s 10-8 in the playoffs.

  46. As a long time Browns fan, I sure hope they clean house and fire everybody — AGAIN. That’s worked sterlingly for them over the tenure of owner Jimmy Haslam who seems to be a cross between Jerry Jones and the Redskins owner. Geez! Yeah, let’s rip ‘er all apart again. Insanity is, of course, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. To those who want him fired, I ask: “So, who’s the next knight in shining armor who’s going to ride in on his white horse and instantly turn this organization into a winner?” Please!

  47. Well it comes from Silver sooooo….

    Anyways they need to force Freddie to let someone else call plays and bring in a new DC but cant keep doing the fire the HC thing over and over.

  48. buffalo6969 says:
    December 17, 2019 at 6:44 pm
    Dorsey should go for drafting Mayfield ahead of Jackson, Allen and Darnold. A mistake that will haunt the Browns for years.


    Darnold is not very good. You may be a Bills fan but Allen is no gem. And 31 teams passed on Jackson. No offense but that really isn’t a great statement.

    Mayfield will be fine. What people forget is that more often that not the product on the field is the result of scheme. Kitchens has no scheme. The game is way more than stats. They have an excellent running attack they don’t use, which means they are over-relying on the pass which puts Baker in a bad position for most of the game. Their passing game is dysfunctional and uneven.

    Baker will be fine. My hope as a Browns fan is that Kitchens is sent packing. This offense lacks any kind of identity and it is affecting every player on it.

  49. Like the Jets they need a coach who has done something before and not Freddies, Hugh, Petine, Chud, Shurmer. Mangini, Romeo, Robriskie, Butch, Palmer…..

  50. Browns management reportedly told Hue Jackson that he was fired because he lost the team even though the team was actually doing pretty well and the only person who had a problem with him was Baker. Jackson reportedly felt disrespected and told them as much.

    Freddie Kitchens has lost this team and it’s questionable if he ever had them to begin with other than Baker who got him hired. If he is not fired at the end of this season a lot of the 2018 Browns coaching staff including Hue and interim coach Greg Williams have a valid argument that John Dorsey is not the right guy to trust with a coaching search. Let him pick the players but someone else needs to be picking the coach especially if the decision for that important position was being made based on an entitle rookie QB’s feelings. This team is way more talented than the Ravens and proved that this season. It takes real talent to make a team this good look this bad and Freddie is amazing at it.

  51. Dorsey should be the one being moved out. He didnt put a team together, he put a bunch of talented me first guys together. Then on top of it all he hired an inexperienced head coach to try and make them gel. They have a culture problem, and until they strip that down and build it up as a real team they will be Cowboys North.

  52. McCarthy is actually a decent coach – he might be the guy to right the ship here. Too much talent for team to be this up and down and flat out bad sometimes. He may not be the guy to get them to SB, but he can probably bring stability, order and some structure to this organization – which it desperately needs.

  53. They should be. Kitchens’ station is beyond his ability and most football fans can plainly see it. They want stability but Kitchens should not be the guy that gets another undeserved year. There are two coaches who would be an upgrade. Mike McCarthy and Urban Meyer. I would go with Meyer. He has been successful at 3 different colleges, is from Ohio and needs to know if he can compete at the NFL level. He would certainly love to be known as the coach that fixed the Browns and replaced the “factory of sadness” with a more favorable moniker.

  54. joshuadx89 says:
    December 18, 2019 at 9:26 am

    Dorsey should be the one being moved out. He didnt put a team together, he put a bunch of talented me first guys together. Then on top of it all he hired an inexperienced head coach to try and make them gel. They have a culture problem, and until they strip that down and build it up as a real team they will be Cowboys North.

    What did you just say? Dorsey should not be fired for absolutely STACKING this roster with talent. They were rightly seen by some as a super bowl contender before the season. His job is to get guys on the team, not to coach them. And he has done that.

  55. A misguided hire for so many reasons. It’s incredibly uncommon to go from position coach to head coach that quickly and to do it with the same team is even rarer. He’s obviously not a disciplinarian and as a position coach that was never part of his job description. Then after just a few games as the OC he suddenly is the guy who HAS to discipline players who he’d been pals with just the day before. It shouldn’t have taken a really deep thinker to see that problem looming. They’re the most undisciplined team in the league because nobody respects him as a leader (because they never had seen him as a leader before) AND because he doesn’t want to be the heavy coming down hard on his buddies.

  56. I keep hearing about how much talent that team has. Well guess what. If you don’t win, you’re probably not as talented as your hype. Is there anybody on the Browns that has ever won anything in the NFL? The supposed talent is dysfunctional, and the rest of the squad are marginal NFL players. The Browns are who we thought they were and only the most gullible and inexperienced of NFL observers were fooled.

  57. kmad2014 says:
    December 17, 2019 at 7:00 pm
    How come Kitchens gets all the heat? How about John Dorsey? 18 months ago he was being praised for all the talent he was accumulating, which led to all of the premature hype. Seems like he’s quietly receded into the background and let ole Freddie take all the blame.
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    Dorsey accumulated talent, like you said, which is the job if the GM. Now you want to fire him after praising the job he has done in the same breath.

  58. TheDPR says:
    December 18, 2019 at 10:25 am
    I keep hearing about how much talent that team has. Well guess what. If you don’t win, you’re probably not as talented as your hype. Is there anybody on the Browns that has ever won anything in the NFL? The supposed talent is dysfunctional, and the rest of the squad are marginal NFL players——————+

    They have the third youngest roster in the league.. mostly 1st and second year players aside from the few free agents they’ve signed.

  59. they need to hand some heavy hand recent coaching legend (Cowher, Jimmy Johnson, Parcells-esque type guys) the reigns and beat that team into submission for discipline and get them in line. Too much talent.

  60. Seattle had one year of Mora and then moved on to Carrol. I was thinking that was too soon and Mora needed time…if the Browns have a coach they want and believe in then go get them, but don’t change coaches if you don’t have a plan.

  61. The Hue Jackson Show was fun to watch for a while, and it lasted longer than it should have. You can only throw so much trash on a dumpster fire until it gets boring, right? Sorry, my point – Cleveland fans do not deserve another season with Kitchens. This is unfair.

  62. Dorsey will not want to admit he made a mistake with Kitchens. It will be another year before ownership tells Dorsey “It’s you or him.”

  63. They finally assembled a team with some talent,spent a ton of money and years of suffering,and then they hire Larry the Cable Guy to be the head coach. Makes zero sense.

  64. The real problem for the Browns is the same as it is for my Raiders. Haslam & Son-of-Al are the worst owners in the league (if not all of pro sports).

  65. His chance of staying should be inversely proportional to the amount of praise he gets when the season ends from other coaches in the AFC North.

  66. Good lord. What complete idiocy. We let Hugh Jackson win one game over two seasons, but we’re gonna freak out about a BRAND NEW head coach winning 6 games in his first season?

    If the Browns fire Kitchens we don’t deserve anything more than mediocrity. This exact mindset is why we never improve, never go anywhere. It’s dumb and unproductive.

  67. AFW AFW says:
    December 19, 2019 at 8:30 am
    Good lord. What complete idiocy. We let Hugh Jackson win one game over two seasons, but we’re gonna freak out about a BRAND NEW head coach winning 6 games in his first season?

    If the Browns fire Kitchens we don’t deserve anything more than mediocrity. This exact mindset is why we never improve, never go anywhere. It’s dumb and unproductive.
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    Hue Jackson won 1 game with a roster that was expected to win 0 games. Freddie Kitchen has won 6 games on a roster that was expected to win at LEAST 10.

    One guy exceeded the expectations for the crappy team that he was given. The other guy tanked what should have been a sure thing with the talent level offered to him.

  68. Most teams when they rebuild from rock bottom think of it in phases. First phase is to hire a caretaker coach who can change the culture in the locker room. Less concerned about Xs and Os and more concerned with building a culture of hard work and teamwork. Someone who can instill hope. By the time players drafted at the top during this time of misery develop enough, the team culture should be changed and the team can focus on a tactician to hand the reins off to. The important part is to have a GM managing through this transition so that the players drafted while the guy changing the culture is in charge, fit into the strategy once the guy who knows how to win takes over.

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