NFL investigators probe for connection to Patriots football operations in Spygate 2

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The Spygate 2 investigation began in earnest (and right here in Boston) within the past week.

Per multiple sources with knowledge of the situation, NFL investigators spent time in recent days interviewing members of the Patriots organization, more than a week after a videographer shot images of the Bengals’ sideline during a game in Cleveland. The Patriots contend that the video crew had no connection to the team’s football operations.

League investigators also collected devices from certain individuals, for the purposes of attempting to establish a connection to the team’s football operations. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

The investigation continues, with no specific timeline for concluding the work and/or making a decision. If the NFL cannot establish a link to New England’s football operations, the penalty should be minimal. If a connection is established, the punishment could be severe, if it turns out that the team’s football operations were using the video crew as cover for gathering information.

For now, there’s no proof of any such tie — and no reason to currently believe there will be one.

71 responses to “NFL investigators probe for connection to Patriots football operations in Spygate 2

  1. The Bengals should get ALL of the cheaters draft picks.

    This corrupt nfl is a terrible product.

    Poor sportsmanship is ENCOURAGED and REWARDED.

  2. Investigators FRUSTRATED they cannot find a connection between the video crew and Belichick.

    What did Lavrenti Beria say? Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime?

    Guily\ty until proven innocent; another colossal waste of time and smear.

  3. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

    They found another loophole that allows them to cheat.

  4. Just now they are officially looking well we all know if it took this long we will hear nothing for say five years or more

  5. I doubt they will find any connection between football ops and the Kraft Fine and Howard Video crew. Belichick isn’t stupid, but Kraft Productions will never be confused with Paramount Pictures.

  6. Investigators shouldn’t ‘want’ to find anything. They should go where the evidence leads them.

  7. The “smoking gun” will be some random, obscure text from 18 months ago. “Can you send me the video?” will be used out of context from someone’s personal phone… *sigh*

  8. Heh. Seems like there’s a report out there that Ravens were seen today on tape with what looked like illegal Bluetooth or listening devices. What were they doing with them? 🤔

  9. Of course there is no connection. Anyone with a college degree can see this .

    Identifying yourself to try to cheat around other people, while knowing the nfl is looking for any reason to frame you again, vs a 1-12 Bengals team is beyond preposterous, as is the other framejobs vs NE since Goodell took over.

    I bet he’s fended off numerous other attempted framejob requests so his original one in 2007 or Deflategate wouldn’t be exposed more than they already are.

    At some point, all of this is way too obvious. All because Goodell
    is a liar, very much ok with keeping his job to smear football team everyone is wildly jealous of for 20 years.

  10. After watching debacles like so-called Deflategate, Bountygate, Spygate, and never ending errors with off the field incidents, why would any fan with an ounce of brains ever trust Goodell and his henchmen clown act? This has all the markings of another Kangaroo Court.

  11. No doubt Bill destroyed all the evidence of the documentary crew filming meaningless footage he could otherwise easily obtain legally. Time to drop the hammer.

  12. Why would they necessary communicate with their cell phones? They both work for the same organization and in the same building, the case for cheating is based on its all one organization. And think about this for one minute, out of all 32 teams, which one would be most knowledgeable about avoiding any perception of filming the sidelines?

    Say whatever you want, it was innocent, they didn’t work directly with the football coaching staff, whatever excuse you want to dreg up, bottom line, they filmed the opponent’s sidelines and it was not the first time the organization was caught doing that. Throw the book at those cheaters and make it hurt so bad that institutionally, they will never do it again.

  13. GoodellMustGo says:

    Seems like there’s a report out there that Ravens were seen today on tape with…
    ——————
    Just another byproduct of the cheating Patriots. Honest teams have to stoop to their level to compete. You dont honestly believe NE has been this dominant for 20 years playing legally do you?? Its impossible.

  14. HagemeisterPark says:
    December 22, 2019 at 5:46 pm
    What an embarresment for the fans of this organization. And to keep having to defend your team through cheating after cheating busts. Pathetic.

    They don’t *have* to. They choose to. We could be missing cookies, the Patriots could be holding the jar and cheeks full of dough and still chewing, and they would still say “it wadn’t me.” That’s the disgrace.

  15. Since when does the NFL need evidence to punish NE? Even when every shred of “evidence” exonerates NE, like in Deflategate. Goodell simply tells his “investigators” the outcome he wants…

  16. They were filming the sidelines and it obviously wasn’t for a documentary. I don’t understand why people are trying to excuse the actions of the Patriots. Something shady was going on. I’m not convinced that what they were doing gave them any sort of competitive advantage against the Bengals, but that ultimately doesn’t matter.

  17. This bugs me. What was the Ravens guy doing with the earpiece on the sidelines- which is NOT legal- and in the spirit of consistency shouldn’t the league be looking into it and telling us?

  18. The investigators are supposed to be impartial to the evidence or lack thereof. the fact that they are “frustrated” by not finding a connection to the Patriots is all you need to know.

  19. During the Ravens-Browns game this past Sunday, a man that has been identified as Darren Sanders, the Ravens’ Senior Director of Security, was seen behind head coach John Harbaugh with what appears to be an illegal headpiece.

    Maybe the NFL should investigate this instead of wasting its time?

  20. tb12greatest says:
    December 22, 2019 at 7:07 pm
    During the Ravens-Browns game this past Sunday, a man that has been identified as Darren Sanders, the Ravens’ Senior Director of Security, was seen behind head coach John Harbaugh with what appears to be an illegal headpiece.

    Maybe the NFL should investigate this instead of wasting its time?

    ——
    So he isn’t connected to the team. Great. Let’s hear the NFL check what he was listening to and confirm that he wasn’t sharing info with Harbaugh who was standing right in front of him. You know, consistency and all.

    I loathe cheaters and cheating in sports. Hopefully this is a nothingburger and ditto for the Patriots story.

  21. So just like Deflategate the league is hoping for a smoking gun. I wonder if they’ll manufacture one like they did last time.

  22. The investigators are showing frustration that they can’t connect the video crews to the football employees. The NFL wants to cheat the Patriots again.

  23. Of course you create distance between yourself and the actual perpetrators. Do they think Belicheat is going to admit he knew in advance about videotape that helped him beat Cincinnati?

  24. Actually HagemeisterPark if the Patriots even stopped video taping the accomplishments since 2007 are even more impressive since they’d officially be the only team in the league not taping during that time

  25. They will not find a connection. Belichick is squeaky clean. If they did find a connection I’d give up on them permanently, but I’m sure they won’t. The order went out in Foxboro after framegate that all rules and protocols were to be followed to a T. They even have compliance officers.

    The fact that an artsy videographer made a bone headed mistake is no reason to taint the whole organization.

    Sorry whiners, Pats rule.

  26. tb12greatest says:
    December 22, 2019 at 7:07 pm
    During the Ravens-Browns game this past Sunday, a man that has been identified as Darren Sanders, the Ravens’ Senior Director of Security, was seen behind head coach John Harbaugh with what appears to be an illegal headpiece.
    Maybe the NFL should investigate this instead of wasting its time?

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    PFT has an article from Sep 19 2018 which mentions how the Ravens were fined for having 2 players on the field at the same time where both were wearing the communication helmets.

    Is extra communication capability during games a bigger rule violaton than when the Ravens had more organized team practices than the NFL rules allow?

  27. Breaking news-Chris Mortensen is reporting that an unnamed source named Bill Polian told him that 11 games were videotaped for Kraft Productions. This includes six games in the 2019 NFL schedule and five games in the Alliance of American Football before they filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy.

  28. This tells us all we need to know:

    As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

  29. Imagine if this was the NE director of security on the Pats sideline? Woah.

    During the Ravens-Browns game this past Sunday, a man that has been identified as Darren Sanders, the Ravens’ Senior Director of Security, was seen behind head coach John Harbaugh with what appears to be an illegal headpiece.

    Not even an article, no less an investigation.

  30. “As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.”

    Which proves that the NFL offices are scum.

  31. if the team that was involved was any other team than the Bengals then a possible video taping could be considered as a legitimate investigation but its almost laughable for anyone other than haters to believe the Patriots would stoop to spying on a team that got dismantled by nearly 1/2 the teams in the league this year – if it were the Ravens or Chiefs then you got a story – what you got with cheating on the Bengals is a complete joke

  32. So many rocket scientists here.

    Given today’s technology, if the Patriots wanted video of sidelines, they would have as much of it as they desired, and nobody would ever get caught. That’s what would happen if they were actually cheating. Somebody in a jacket and jeans would show up with a smartphone and make video. And nobody would be the wiser. Because, get this, hundreds of other people would be doing the same thing.

    We see again that the NFL cannot help but be hostile and accusatory to the Patriots. Goodell is such a fragile man that he still smarts at the fact Belichick ignored his memo 12 years ago.

    BTW, teams don’t send visual signals in from the sideline any longer.

    Also: there is plenty of footage in all-22 coverage that is sent to all the teams. (And nobody cares about that because, again, teams communicate with their players on the field via helmet radios, not hand signals.)

    This is a scandal that doesn’t make any sense in any angle you look at it. You have to be deeply immersed in bias to think this is evidence of anything.

    Why is it so hard to accept that the Patriots are telling the truth? At no point in the past 13 years have the Patriots actually lied about anything in their dealings with the league office. And we cannot say the same about Goodell’s flunkies, who pursued a smear campaign based on disinformation to destroy Tom Brady’s reputation.

  33. They’re going to drag things out until after the SB and then leak some misleading details bit by bit. The full investigation will span the whole offseason, keeping all the trolls in suspense like a soap opera. In the end there will be no actual connection but they’ll make it seem like’s some sort of chance there was, or claim someone “didn’t cooperate fully.” By then the trolls will be slobbering all over themselves in anticipation of the docking of a first round pick, and facts won’t matter anymore. Kinda wish we could just cut to the chase and get rid of the first rounder TBH.

  34. Why would that be frustrating though? Were the investigators told to establish what truth was or was it a directed finding If the former then they should be satisfied that they were thorough in examining all evidence and established what the truth is, regardless of what that turns out to be. The only way that could be frustrating is if there is a specific certain finding that was the real goal here.

  35. “They were filming the sidelines and it obviously wasn’t for a documentary.”
    ———————————-

    Really- what makes it obvious? There is 10 times more evidence that it was exactly as the Pats have said.

    What is “obvious” is that the NFL should do one of their “investigations” into how Jay Glazer got a copy of the Bengals tape. Only the Bengals and the NFL have tapes- how does that leak?

  36. donnytr says:
    December 22, 2019 at 6:21 pm
    Why would they necessary communicate with their cell phones? They both work for the same organization and in the same building, the case for cheating is based on its all one organization. And think about this for one minute, out of all 32 teams, which one would be most knowledgeable about avoiding any perception of filming the sidelines?

    Say whatever you want, it was innocent, they didn’t work directly with the football coaching staff, whatever excuse you want to dreg up, bottom line, they filmed the opponent’s sidelines and it was not the first time the organization was caught doing that. Throw the book at those cheaters and make it hurt so bad that institutionally, they will never do it again.

    18 126 Rate This

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    Well there you go. Because they actually don’t work for the same organization nor out of the same building. And that kind of kills the rest of your argument. But no need to give up hope here. The NFL is nothing if not creative.

  37. This is another Witch Hunt by the NFL to unjustly penalize the Patriots while looking the other way when 31 other Teams commit even worse violations.

    What did the video tape show that 32 Team Scouts, and anyone with a smartphone, are not able to see – with Binoculars – each and every week?

    WAKE UP PEOPLE – The NFL is corrupt – don’t believe the fake news media

  38. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 22, 2019 at 6:15 pm
    Heh. Seems like there’s a report out there that Ravens were seen today on tape with what looked like illegal Bluetooth or listening devices. What were they doing with them? 🤔
    ———————-

    Not like they haven’t cheated before with coach to player communication. They were fined last year for having communication to several players at once during a game.

    CHEATERS!!!! They should be docked any future wins and their last superbowl!

  39. The Ravens have a “360-video replays” on their website that shows sidelines of opposing teams on every game. They likely videotape the whole game & just post segments that are interesting. And Ravens were fined last year because multiple players were using coach-to-player communication technology in their helmets. And just this week one of their coaches is wearing a bluetooth earpiece on the sidelines during the Brown’s game.

    This is Deflategate Redux. Colts balls were deflated, no problem. Rodgers admitted that he over-inflated balls; no problem. Giants accused Steelers of using underinflated balls in a game, no problem.

    But go ahead. Give Brady & Belichik more incentive to win another 3 Super Bowls. If Colts & Ravens hadn’t instigated Deflategate Brady would have probably retired by now with only his first 3 Super Bowls. Since Deflategate, Brady has won 3 Super Bowls, and been to the SB 4 of the last 5 years.

  40. Patriots’ apologists never get old. So funny listening to these flimsy excuses and baseless denials. I guess when your team is on the verge of having its titles stopped away you get desperate.

  41. I love this thread. It has more nuts than a Thanksgiving table.

    Glad to see the good doctor that supports the Bengals, and who has been in Witness Protection, is alive and well. I was going to send him flowers. The loyal Pet is barking at the evil Patriots and whenwilliteverend has been awoken from a deep sleep.

    Alas, for all of the above, it seems investigators are upset that the facts don’t support premeditation by the football operation guys and pinning this on an NFL team marketing crew just doesn’t have the same cache.

    Awe, schucks.

  42. Where’s Dan Shaughnessy, the Roger Chillingworth of sports writers, to pin a scarlet letter on Belichick when the haters need him?

  43. Still would love to know what the Ravens guy was doing with the illegal listening device behind coach Harbaugh. Hopefully we hear an explanation soon either way.

  44. thecape15 says:
    December 22, 2019 at 8:21 pm
    This tells us all we need to know:

    As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

    —-
    And Patriots fans are often accused of having persecution complexes when it comes to the league and its shenanigans. Go figure. 🤔

  45. This is clearly just the Bengals trying to embarrass Bellichik/Pats. If they just gave everything to the NFL there would be a quiet investigation that found nothing and moved on. The fact that Cinci gave Jay Glazer a tape- which is not the full video of what the Bengals security recorded,but an edited version- hmm, wonder why they would do that? If they are going to give Glazer the vid, why not release the WHOLE thing instead of their edited version and exactly how is a team giving Glazer a copy complying with any attempt of a legitimate “investigation”?”

  46. I just heard from my brothers work buddy’s cousins babysitter who knows one of the investigators at Howard, Fine, and Howard, the NFL’s top investigators. Apparently no connection can be found so the NFL has called in the Patriot haters group to scrutinize any and all harebrained theories. When this is completed right before draft time serious penalties will be announced.

  47. As one source explained it, there’s a sense that investigators want to make that connection, and a perception that they are showing frustration when unable to tie the video crew to the football employees.

    Does this ^ sound like an unbiased “investigation”. Is Adam Schiff doing this investigation for the NFL.

  48. This is the deflategate investigation 2.0. The League will not stop until they either find something or like deflategate, manufacture evidence so they throw the book at the BB.

    Watch!

  49. Why not sanction Cinci for conduct detrimental, and, while the NFL is spanking the Bengals for tanking they can add a couple for releasing the video.

  50. TimTebowGodOfFootballKarma says:
    December 23, 2019 at 11:00 am
    Patriots’ apologists never get old. So funny listening to these flimsy excuses and baseless denials. I guess when your team is on the verge of having its titles stopped away you get desperate.

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    Only time will tell if this is where the streak is stopped or not. Heck, we even have to define what the streak is before we can lalk about it. If quoting SB wins the streak is just 1. Sb appearances its three. Years of being the One team everyone is the most afraid if? Thats been since 2001. Even a some years in there they didn’t deserve to be the single most feared they still were just on rep alone. You can see other teams fans and/or Pats detractors constant worry to this day. Its visible here even now. Whether this is the last year that happens or not it’s not something Pats fans are panicking about. We know all things end someday this will be no exception. We even know it should have ended long ago but didn’t, and we know how grateful we should be for that. No team has ever given as much to their fans as the Patriots. And given it is. It will end someday but the gift already given can never be taken away.

    As far as apologists I dont know where that came from. This is just a news article.

  51. Maybe, instead of being frustrated that they can’t find evidence, the investigators could consider that there is no evidence.

    On the positive side, if they end up admitting they found nothing, no one can say they didn’t look. On the negative side, the NFL could just fabricate evidence to meet their preconceived notion.

  52. If the NFL fails here after failing to make its case with deflated footballs, the Patriots will be perceived as victims and no one will ever be able to bring charges again.

  53. doctorrustbelt says:
    December 22, 2019 at 5:45 pm
    The Bengals should get ALL of the cheaters draft picks.

    This corrupt nfl is a terrible product.

    Poor sportsmanship is ENCOURAGED and REWARDED.
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    Thats just as open minded as the investigators working the case.

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