Fine is possible for presence of bluetooth device on Ravens sideline

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Twitter is a-flutter regarding an image broadcast by CBS of a Ravens employee wearing a bluetooth headset on the sideline on Sunday, while standing behind coach John Harbaugh.

It’s technically a violation of the rules for team personnel other than doctors and training staff to have such devices in the bench area. (It’s believed that the person wearing the headset is Ravens director of security Darren Sanders.) Earlier this year, for example, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger was fined $5,000 for wearing an Apple watch in the bench area during a game.

Of course, having it and using it are two different things. And it will be easy for the league to determine whether the person actually utilized the device while in the bench area, or whether he simply had it in his ear and forgot to remove it, for example. If the device was used, a major fine could be imposed.

If he wasn’t using it, it’s a non-issue. But it still could/should result in a fine, given the bright-line rule that the league has adopted regarding such devices.

89 responses to “Fine is possible for presence of bluetooth device on Ravens sideline

  1. First the Pats and now the Ravens … I guess it’s true If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying.

  2. Leman Russ says:
    December 24, 2019 at 4:59 pm

    Meanwhile no punishment for spygate 2.0

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    There is no punishment for either incident yet, for the simple reason that the League hasn’t yet determined the facts in either case. Apparently you would prefer to bring the hammer down first and investigate later or never.

  3. Is it me or doesnt it seem like security should be exempt from this rule like the medical staff for safety reasons?

    And I am not a Ravens fan.

  4. efbob says:
    December 24, 2019 at 5:09 pm
    Is it me or doesnt it seem like security should be exempt from this rule like the medical staff for safety reasons?

    And I am not a Ravens fan.

    22 13 Rate This

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    what is he doing standing right behind harbaugh?

    we demand an “investgation” , ahem, framejob

  5. OMG! Cheaters! Cheaters everywhere! If too many more people get caught cheating it’s going to ruin my idiot rationale for hating on the success of teams I don’t like!

  6. I don’t care about any of this. All I care is what is on the field. That’s it. I watch football for entertainment, like watching a movie, and if there’s cheating involved, the story is juicier, all the better! I don’t have a team to root for or against. I just want a good movie.

  7. tylawspick6 says:

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    what is he doing standing right behind harbaugh?

    we demand an “investgation” , ahem, framejob

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    Ravens don’t need to cheat. Only some teams do that. Well, one team.

    Repeatedly.

  8. Ravens are pulling a Belichek, eh? Sounds about right. Makes sense now how their Wildcat RB is scoring 4-5 TD’s per game while barely putting up any passing yards.

  9. Can’t wait to see what tricks Patriots and Ravens can pull out of their hat when they have to face each other in AFC Championship

  10. Knowing that the Ravens have been penalized in the past for having multiple players wearing a headset in their helmets, it would make sense that it would be a fairly hefty fine and loss of draft picks.

  11. Are Patriot fans really this stupid to think this is the same as filming a teams play sheet?

  12. Not the first time the Ravens have been caught breaking rules around communications.

    I want to know what was heard on that device and what if anything was said to coach Harbaugh.

    Hopefully nothing of consequence. I don’t like cheaters.

  13. Wow…..a lot of people getting up in arms over nothing. The guy is the director of security for an NFL franchise; I’d be more concerned if he *wasn’t* wearing an earpiece or headset during a game to communicate with his security team.

    The real problem is that the NFL isn’t getting paid sponsorship money by the manufacturer. If he wore an earpiece with Microsoft Surface branding, they’d give him a bonus and his own office at 345 Park Ave..

  14. If he wasn’t using it, it’s a non-issue. But it still could/should result in a fine, given the bright-line rule that the league has adopted regarding such devices.

    And, yet, you want to act like a Patriots employee filming the Bengals sideline during a game is no big deal.

  15. damcmp says:
    December 24, 2019 at 6:23 pm
    Oh no.. a bluetooth device!!!!

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    It may be innocent, or that bluetooth device might have been used to give Cleveland plays to Harbaugh. The guy with the bluetooth device was standing right behind Harbaugh.

    If you call the Patriots “cheaters” for the under-investigation “spygate 2”, then you should call the Ravens cheaters for the under-investigation bluetooth device. In both cases, rules were broken.

  16. objectivefbfan says:
    December 24, 2019 at 5:59 pm
    Here come the Patriots’ fans…
    News Flash: not the same thing
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    Stop justifying cheating by your team by pointing at others.

  17. radar8 says:
    December 24, 2019 at 6:41 pm
    damcmp says:
    December 24, 2019 at 6:23 pm
    Oh no.. a bluetooth device!!!!

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    It may be innocent, or that bluetooth device might have been used to give Cleveland plays to Harbaugh.

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    Let’s hope not. That would be horrible for the Ravens, for LJ and for the league.

  18. bay707area49er says:
    December 24, 2019 at 5:16 pm
    Would be hilarious if it was synced/paired up to Baker Mayfield’s helmet and Freddie Kitchens headset.
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    Actually no it wouldn’t. It would render the Ravens and league’s entire season meaningless.

  19. Considering the fact that Harbaugh doesn’t have any idea or clue how to call offensive or defensive plays, his head of security magically receiving the plays from the other side wouldn’t be much help. Now if he was caught standing behind the oc and/dc, now that would be a different story.

  20. Really folks it just doesn’t matter…chiefs have beaten both cheaters…ravens…pats….this year the CHIEFS will win the Super Bowl ..sorry cheating Ravens…Go CHIEFS

  21. NFL will throw the book at the Ravens for this. They don’t want any whining when Spygate 2 results in multiple lifetime bans and the loss of six titles.

  22. what is he doing standing right behind harbaugh?

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    Probably his job as head of security. You understand the concept of depth perception and how that is affected by a 2 dimensional picture? He is clearly not “directly” behind Harbaugh.

  23. Now this would be more beneficial to the team than video of the sidelines that are readily available on the all 22s and in plane view of 80k people.

  24. Stop justifying cheating by your team by pointing at others.

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    The head of security walking onto a sideline with a bluetooth headset is not cheating. Especially if it wasn’t used. Just like walking onto a field with an apple watch isn’t cheating, even if it’s illegal. Driving a dune buggy onto the field isn’t cheating, even if its illegal. Unless you use the dune buggy to drive over to the opposing sideline and steal their playbook. Then it’s cheating.

    Deflating a football is… well it’s either cheating or… cheating. Don’t suddenly throw logic, common sense, and reality out the window just because you hate the Ravens and want to feel better by calling them cheaters.

  25. I swear these Patriot fans on here can’t be more than 15 years old. Are you seriously trying to compare a security person wearing a Bluetooth earpiece to filming a sideline? Not only that, the Pats have been caught doing similar things before hence the doubt about their motives. Harbaugh doesn’t even work with the Offense or Defense. Unlike Belichick who’s known as a defensive genius. I guess according to Pats fans, someone was radioing down to the security guy, who was whispering to Harbaugh, who relayed to his coordinators, who then relayed it to the players on the field. What amazes me most, is that they could accomplish all of this in the 40 secs they have before each play. All while substituting in guys that match up to the offense. Get a clue

  26. The head of security walking onto a sideline with a bluetooth headset is not cheating. Especially if it wasn’t used. Just like walking onto a field with an apple watch isn’t cheating, even if it’s illegal. Driving a dune buggy onto the field isn’t cheating, even if its illegal. Unless you use the dune buggy to drive over to the opposing sideline and steal their playbook. Then it’s cheating.

    Deflating a football is… well it’s either cheating or… cheating. Don’t suddenly throw logic, common sense, and reality out the window just because you hate the Ravens and want to feel better by calling them cheaters.
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    Not sure what that last part has to do with the Ravens breaking the rules. Cheating is anything illegal to gain an advantage. If the Apple Watch was used that way then yes it is cheating,

    And we don’t know if or how the Bluetooth device wasn’t used. I know I have never seen a head of security for any other team with an illegal listening device standing directly behind the coach. I’d really like to know what was heard and what was said to coach Harbaugh and hopefully we find out.

  27. bobbybell78 says:
    December 24, 2019 at 6:59 pm
    Really folks it just doesn’t matter…chiefs have beaten both cheaters…ravens…pats….this year the CHIEFS will win the Super Bowl ..sorry cheating Ravens…Go CHIEFS
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    The refs beat the Patriots and Ravens

  28. Ravens fan here. They should be fined just as the Pats should be. I can admit when my team is in the wrong.

  29. Why are bluetooth devices forbidden? This makes little sense? All bluetooth is is a point to point radio frequency connectoin to some computing device.

    This thing about devices on the sideline is nanny state bunk frankly.

  30. So now the pats have “filmed a team’s playsheet”? Or “filmed their sideline”. Hilarious.

    No, no playsheet was filmed. Signals done during gametime in front of the entire stadium, in direct view of the pats sideline and with no expectation of privacy were filmed.

    Filmed the 1-10 bengals sideline?, well the field and the sideline can be seen. Newsflash sideline signals are no longer done by hand. They’re electronic. There’s literally nothing to see on a sideline. Coaches with their hands over their mouths as they radio in plays? Real intelligence haul. Much of the same thing can be seen on an all 22 provided by the league.

    It’s like someone says “patriots, sideline film” and al thinking goes out the wondow, if the person had any ability to think begin with.

  31. Wow some of you people are just silly. Warning first. Assume a mistake. Put away the torches and pitchforks. I understand why everyone is up in arms about the Patriots (the team I root for, BTW) because they had an issue with tape before. Side note, when that was a thing, the league asked BB straight up and he said right away it was something they were doing and handed all the tapes, most of which he gathered when it was legal, to the NFL. This time he said he didn’t do it, so he didn’t do it.

    Ravens should be assumed to have made a mistake. Let’s all stop being so over the top about everything.

  32. veretax says:
    December 24, 2019 at 8:35 pm
    Why are bluetooth devices forbidden? This makes little sense? All bluetooth is is a point to point radio frequency connectoin to some computing device.

    This thing about devices on the sideline is nanny state bunk frankly.

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    It’s a communications link more often than not. Computing device? You mean like a smartphone? They don’t want people communicating outside of what is allowed.

  33. davedsone says:
    December 24, 2019 at 8:45 pm
    Wow some of you people are just silly. Warning first. Assume a mistake. Put away the torches and pitchforks. I understand why everyone is up in arms about the Patriots (the team I root for, BTW) because they had an issue with tape before. Side note, when that was a thing, the league asked BB straight up and he said right away it was something they were doing and handed all the tapes, most of which he gathered when it was legal, to the NFL. This time he said he didn’t do it, so he didn’t do it.

    Ravens should be assumed to have made a mistake. Let’s all stop being so over the top about everything.

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    Too late. Do you think Pats fans don’t know we lost super bowls over 1st re picks or lies and distractions into SB 42.

    What you said is what a normal commissioner would have said in 2007 with a simple fine for the Pats and Jets in 2007 with a warning.

    We are way, way past that.

    This is about being honest and transparent for Goodell and Kraft should absolutely be ready to go nuclear here.

    Real Pats fans know the score. Goodell is the cheater.

  34. asyranok says:
    December 24, 2019 at 7:40 pm
    what is he doing standing right behind harbaugh?

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    Probably his job as head of security. You understand the concept of depth perception and how that is affected by a 2 dimensional picture? He is clearly not “directly” behind Harbaugh
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    Wrong, games are filmed with a pretty shallow depth of field. This separates the action from the rest of the field of view (makes the back ground blury). If he was back as far as you claim he would be out of focus. His head would also be a lot smaller. Try again.

  35. If this was New England all of the haters would be screaming for them to lose every pick in the draft, and fines galore, and Belichick suspended, and the team kicked out of the playoffs, and they’d be calling for Kraft to be forced to sell, but since it’s simply those cheaters in Baltimore it’s no big deal

  36. The Ravens have an athletic dynamic quarterback. No deficiencies – no need to cheat.

  37. .
    lol whiners just whine… how bout checking his QBR in all the games this year? he has hit 158.3 3+ times… but sure he cant pass and needs to cheat like brady

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    venomraider says:
    December 24, 2019 at 6:05 pm

    Ravens are pulling a Belichek, eh? Sounds about right. Makes sense now how their Wildcat RB is scoring 4-5 TD’s per game while barely putting up any passing yards.

  38. It’s obvious that none of you idiots know anything about Executive Protection so I will explain it slowly, Mr Saunders is the Director of Security for Ravens. It is his job to stand next to or behind the head coach to protect him from drunken unruly fans, every team has at least one member of the Security Department that follows the Head Coach everywhere he goes.

  39. LOL!!!!! Pitchforks and torches… The mob has assembled!!! Reading most of these posts is like watching the impeachment debacle. Yes, he had a device. Yes, its banned. Other than that, there is nothing, Yet… I will choose to wait until the investigation is over before, executing. But, please keep the comments coming…. They are a great read….. Worth nothing else. but, still good reading.

  40. Wow the hypocrisy is over whelming. Where is all the faux outrage. Cheaters. Take their cell phones. Search their houses. NFL is covering up what they did. Blue tooth gate.

  41. I have no issue with a member of security using a Bluetooth device. As much as I hate the Ravens, this is no where near as shady as what the Patriots do on a regular basis.

  42. lew2058 says:
    December 25, 2019 at 5:46 am

    It’s obvious that none of you idiots know anything about Executive Protection so I will explain it slowly, Mr Saunders is the Director of Security for Ravens. It is his job to stand next to or behind the head coach to protect him from drunken unruly fans, every team has at least one member of the Security Department that follows the Head Coach everywhere he goes.
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    No they don’t- that’s made up.
    Heck even when the owners stand by the sidelines they are not getting “Executive Protection”

    The entire thing is nothing- but so was the Pats/Bengals thing. People are just pointing out the hypocrisy of the NFL and non- Pat fans.

  43. A lot of the ravens fans are saying that there is no competitive advantage to be derived from this alleged behavior. The same could be said of the spy gate filming, Or the effects of nature On PSI. The jack wagons who want to put asterisks on Lombardi trophies are the same jack wagons who root for teams who hardly won any.

  44. steeldominance says:
    December 25, 2019 at 10:03 am
    this is no where near as shady as what the Patriots do on a regular basis.

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    You mean beat your Steelers like a drum? I think you can expect plenty of that from the Ravens over the next few years as well

  45. Some of the NFL rules and policies are antiquated and need amending. Some make no sense at all.
    Some of the rules that have been broken didn’t have any competitive advantage but yet many fans will parrot the narrative of whatever media reports.

  46. I’m not shocked that this story was part of a Christmas Eve news dump. I am very surprised that the NFL is even investigating this. I thought they’d either ignore it, like the Ravens filming opposing sidelines, or jump right to a “No wrongdoing” announcement.

  47. Patsareinyourheads says:
    December 25, 2019 at 11:23 am
    A lot of the ravens fans are saying that there is no competitive advantage to be derived from this alleged behavior. The same could be said of the spy gate filming, Or the effects of nature On PSI. The jack wagons who want to put asterisks on Lombardi trophies are the same jack wagons who root for teams who hardly won any.

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    Ravens fans are right though. There is no real competitive advantage from this just like there was not real competitive advantage from spygate. Way too much is being made of both incidents, really only because the teams involved in each case are dominant and therefore subject to jealousy. Its tempting with the shoe on another foot to jump all over the Ravens here but really two wrongs doesnt make a right. Lets get back to football.

  48. A Ravens employee wearing a communication device on the sidelines while standing directly behind the head coach during a game. Oh, and they’ve already been caught cheating with communication before (though barely punished for it). No big deal you say? Ok fine. Just do me one favor… close your eyes and imagine it’s the Patriots. Now what do you think?

    Guilty or not, 1st round pick and a hefty fine. Anything less is favortism.

    And I think it’s all probably nothing. Innocent. But it doesn’t matter.

  49. Love the Ravens fans comments. He’s head of security. He’s allowed to wear the bluetooth device! Wait….that’s not allowed.

    OK. He’s not a coach, so that doesn’t mean anything. Wait, he’s right behind the head coach!?!?

    Funny, you all forget that they were fined for illegally having multiple players on the field with headsets on. LAST YEAR! Nothing???

  50. Oh I love how people are on here commenting about the Patriots filming a team that can lose against themselves. Yet they don’t bring up that it was a PRODUCTION COMPANY doing the filming and not the Patriots.

    MEANWHILE 2 weeks ago the RAVENS were busted to FILMING their opponent DURING A GAME, AND NOW THEY ARE USING BLUETOOTH DEVICES WHILE STANDING BEHIND THE OPPONENTS TEAM!!!! LMAO THIS IS GREAT.

  51. re: neatherly19

    Looked it up… Ha ha ha, love BStool. Priceless! How true it is. The hypocrisy and hyberboowl of it all. NFLs double standards are amazing.

  52. I will be referring to the Ravens as the R*vens until we hear an explanation from the league what Bluetooth Guy was listening to and what he told Ravens coaches if anything. Too bad.

    I really don’t like cheaters. If the Patriots Bengals tape showed what I saw with Spygate I’d be done with them too.

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