Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees omitted from NFL’s all-time team

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The NFL has unveiled the 10 quarterbacks named to the league’s all-time team. And two of the all-time greats have been left out.

Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees didn’t earn a spot on the roster.

The 10 quarterbacks are, in alphabetical order, Sammy Baugh, Tom Brady, John Elway, Brett Favre, Otto Graham, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, Roger Staubach, and John Unitas.

Simms and I recently listed our all-time top-10 quarterbacks. I had Rodgers and Brees in place of Baugh and Staubach. Simms had Bradshaw, Rodgers, and Brees in place of Baugh, Graham and Unitas.

It’s difficult to compare quarterbacks between era, especially given the rules changes in the 1970s aimed at pumping up offense. Still, it’s hard not to imagine Rodgers or Brees thriving in any era, and their omission likely will make some waves.

Also, keep in mind that voting was done in May 2018. The NFL has had two more seasons since then; would those two seasons have made a difference for Rodgers and Brees? We’ll never know.

264 responses to “Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees omitted from NFL’s all-time team

  1. There’s been a lot of great QBs in the league throughout history.
    I’m sure it’s very difficult to whittle it down to a mere 10.
    I was honestly more surprised that Bart Starr didn’t make the cut, but like I said, very difficult task.
    Alright trolls, enjoy.

  2. I think Brees might have a legitimate gripe considering he’s currently the statistical leader in yards, TDs, etc. Rodgers is great but I think his supposed once in a generation talent level is something that’s been repeated so often people just assume he’s an all time great. He’s not. He’s an all time very good and maybe another SB away from being an all time great.

  3. I never saw Baugh Unitas or Graham play. I did get to watch the rest. As a kid I hated Staubach because he was so good and the Cowboys were so good. The Cowboys were the original Patriots, you either loved them or hated them.

    Montana and Elway were always favorites.

    They were all fantastic

  4. No offense but I think the most QB friendly rules have appeared in the last 10-15 years. And keep happening. There has never been a more QB friendly league in place than there is now. In the 70s, and the 80s and the 90s you could still hit a QB

  5. NFL continues to job the Saints, no way Brees can be omitted. Who is that Rogers guy the article speaks of? JK, both great players!

  6. It seems to me that there is too much recency bias involved in this, Otto Graham and Sammy Baugh were a lot better than Favre.

  7. How does Simms leave Otto Graham off his list? Graham, Montana, and Brady are unquestionably the top 3 of all time.

  8. Brees and Rodgers with bloated stats in a bloated era and each only dribbling out 1 super bowl.

    The main argument would be Favre and Elway get removed. Each’s TD/Int ratio is poor. I repeat..poor. Their reckless style of play lost their teams a lot of games they should have won.

    Elway’s Super Bowls were some of the worst in history as well. By the early/mid 90s, his career was fading until they decided to cheat the cap in 1995, 1996 and 1997.

  9. Leaving Unitas off his list shows how little Simms knows about how the game of football developed and its history. While Brees is great and Rodgers is very talented, neither of them is compiling their numbers while being hit hard at the conclusion of nearly every passing play nor have they brought innovation to the game on the scale of Unitas who was the master of the two minute offense before any others.

  10. Best of the 98.

    This is a marketing joke everyone goes along with. The game has been changed too many times over the years for this have any meaning.

  11. As a GB fan, I’d take Rodgers over Favre. I never felt comfortable in the 4th quarter or in OT with Favre at the helm. Not to mention, Rodgers has the best TD-INT ratio of all-time. Favre has the most turnovers of all-time…

  12. I had Brees and Young over Baugh and Elway, but Baugh would have been my #11. Baugh, Graham and Unitas dominated their eras. For that they deserve a high ranking. I believe they would have been great today working under the new rules, training and medical advances. I can live with the NFL’s list, no problem.

  13. Can’t see Favre ahead of Rodgers, or Brees,. For all of his gun slinger greatness, he made just as many boneheaded mistakes that cost his team games. The pick vs NO in the NFC championship game was an unforgivable rookie mistake.

  14. Because if they played in the 70’s – 90’s they would be considered as below average. The game has changed so significantly that if Dan Marino or Dan Fouts played today they would throw for 8ooo yards every season, easily.

  15. It’s a good thing sports writers can’t change stats to support their biases. People can argue opinions all they want but Brees is #1 in so many all time categories it’s just silly to make believe he’s anything but one of the greatest to ever do it.

  16. Further proof that the NFL is useless when it comes to creating such lists. Those belated results haven’t aged well over the past two seasons. Rodgers still has time to improve his position, but you can make an argument for Brees being in the GOAT conversation right now, much less top 10. If Brees played for a media darling team with the ridiculous stats that he has put up he would definitely be on that list.

  17. Great job leaving off the ALL TIME PASSING YARDAGE LEADER, ALL TIME PASSING TD’S LEADER, ALL TIME PASSING PERCENTAGE IN A SEASON LEADER, AND THE ONLY QB TO THROW FOR MULTIPLE 5,000 YARD SEASONS!!!! Leaving Drew Brees off this list make the list a farce.

  18. Woof. Leaving off Brees is probably a bigger whiff than Rodgers. Bree’s is your prototypical QB, without the prototypical stature. He’s effectively the face of that franchise, since it’s inception. I understand wanting to honor the long forgotten greats of days gone by, but identifying greatness is what this list should be all about. Drew Brees is a greatest all-time QB.

  19. Unbelievable, Drew Brees has had a career that anyone but Tom Brady wants. Drew Brees is everything that is good about the NFL. On and off the field, he excels to the highest of levels. All they do is feed his fire to be the best ever

  20. Roger Staubach

    Really?

    If drew Brees had that surrounding cast he would have way more rings.

    Drew is the best in all categories except picks farve still has that one by a mile

  21. It doesn’t matter if the voting was done in May 2018. I’d take Rogers or Brees way before I took Elway. His numbers are junk, he crapped out in the big game until Terrell Davis and their salary cap shenanigans took over and he won two. Elway has some great moments, but I wouldn’t take him over anyone on that list and some that aren’t on it. I think you swap Brees for Elway and the list makes more sense.

  22. This is inexplicable; I’m a GB fan; *maybe* Rodgers is left off because he still has a ways to go with his career; but Brees? No way to leave him off.

  23. Yet Elway made the list. He played in a passer friendly era, not as friendly as now, but still very friendly, and posted a career passer rating under 80, and didn’t win a Super Bowl until his team was loaded. Even then, he was the reason the game with Green Bay was close. The rest of the Broncos dominated, he was bad other than the running play where he was spun around.

    Favre played hard and was fun to watch, but no way was he better than Rodgers or Brees.
    He was better than Elway though.

  24. Tough to take anyone off that list but tough to omit Rodgers and Brees. I’d probably have those two in, Staubach out and maybe Favre out. I don’t know. I think Rodgers is better than Favre honestly. Favre vs Brees is a tough call.

  25. different rules and different length of season among era’s

    reminds me when michael joran was named greatest athlete of century over Babe Ruth.

  26. That’s outrageous. Drew Brees has EARNED a spot on that list. For them not to put him on there is absolutely disrespectful. He certainly deserves to be there more than Marino.

  27. I find Staubach to be an interesting choice. Whenever people speak of the greatest QB’s, his name rarely comes up. I think he was a great player obviously, but its usually Marino, Brady, Elway, Montana, Unitas and maybe Manning. Then the usual next tier with guys like Rodgers, Brees, Tarkenton and Fouts. Maybe Bradshaw and Starr, but I rarely hear Staubachs name in the context of greatest QB’s of all time. I’m actually glad he wasn’t overlooked, though being a Redskins fan in my youth, I hated that he seemed to beat them every year on a last second TD…

  28. Brees and Rodgers both would have had different careers being crushed without facemasks. The game has changed so much that it’s hard to omit Baugh who dominated his era.

  29. I understand leaving Rodgers out. He played like the best ever in the beginning of his career, but in his “prime” he’s been just average. You can blame that on injuries, talent around him, or coaching…but it is what it is. Rodgers may return to elite form, but he’s currently not top10.

  30. As a Packers fan I am more offended that Bart Starr is not on the list.
    What about football player greats from the earlier times like the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s etc?
    These guys have 100 years to work with.
    Seems to me they are only working from now to the last 30-40 yrs instead for all of their lists.
    SMH.

  31. If you don’t have a Ring you’re not a top10 QB. If you don’t have 2 Rings you’re not top5. I realize more recent QBs are raising the bar (stat wise) but they also have the salary cap to deal with.

    When’s the last time NE has had a top10 draft pick? Brady may never be replaced as #1 regardless of how the game/rules change…

  32. Aaron Rodgers isn’t on the all-time team because….uhhhh…he shouldn’t be. One super bowl win, one super bowl appearance. And really, name one iconic performance. He’s barely top 20. He put up nice stats in an era where the QB had every advantage. He never elevated a team to another level based on his greatness. Rodgers is a petulant little dork who always felt slighted for no reason. If anything, the guy gets way too much credit. Omitting Brees however, is a sin.

  33. Anyone who leaves Staubach off a list of top 10 QBs of all time doesn’t have a clue about era adjustment. I agree that Rodgers belongs too (not so much Brees, a clear HOFer but also someone who has experienced a fair share of losing and turns the ball over a lot in general and in big situations), but Staubach has the best adjusted-for-league-average QB rating of all time. He took four years off from football and yet on a quality basis was the best QB ever, to go with plenty of winning too. His missing seasons likely keep him out of the conversation for the #1 spot, but he firmly belongs in the top 10.

  34. Aaron maybe, but Drew who broke almost every QB record in the history of the NFL? Now we all know the list has zero credibility.

  35. Yeah, so what? This whole concept of the “All-Time Team” is stupid. Just promotional garbage for the 100 year anniversary. Pick your favorite player from before 1985.They wouldn’t be able to even keep their heads above water in the NFL from some point in the 90s until now. There’s no point creating these super teams with players across the decades. Those teams would stink. You could send the modern day Bengals back to the early 80s and they would win the Superbowl with little effort. Get real.

  36. Rogers and Brees are better then Staubach? They aren’t even in Roger Staubauchs area code the guy won the Heisman and then couldn’t play in the league for years do to his military commitment and he still made this list

  37. Marino never won anything. Graham and Baugh barely played the position as we know it today. Brees easily deserved it over any of those three.

  38. Tough spot because Brees has great numbers but it was a different game back in the times of Baugh, Graham, and Johnny U. They were both well before my time so I just know of them from highlights and stories. Otherwise hard to argue that anyone else should be included or excluded outside of Brees.

  39. In what universe is Roger Staubach better than Drew Brees? By any statistical measurable, Brees is better and it’s not even close. Some of these voters like to romanticize their favorite childhood players and Staubach, while an admirable individual, was nowhere close to being better than Brees by the entire of their work.

  40. That’s a tough one. The NFL 100 list has been favouring the forgotten studs of the past more than the well known hyped up players of today. It’s so hard to compare the eras, and Otto Graham had so many championships even before the super bowl existed. Sammy Baugh it feels like is on there because he was a pioneer at the position and also played DB and P and everything in between. In terms of a pure passer it does feel like Brees or Rodgers should take his place but it had to have been close.

  41. Rodgers is like Steve Young, is 1/1 in the Super Bowl and a great rating, but needs more longevity before he’s Top 10.

    Drew Brees should be in there though, 17 year career, all-time stats and a dominant Super Bowl season.

  42. The point of the exercise is to look at the entire 100 year history of the NFL, across eras. Its easy to say “oh, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers would’ve be great in any era”. If so why can’t the same be said of Baugh, Graham, Staubach and Unitas who were doing things at the QB position at a time when nobody else was and when it was harder to pass. Things that modern era QBs are still doing. Another thing people discount with these lists is the intangibles and the winning. Pad all the stats you want in this era but if you aren’t winning much you can’t compete with Unitas, Baugh, Graham, Staubach who were not only doing it at a time when it was tougher to throw, but also winning multiple championships and coming through in the clutch time and again. That’s where many modern era QBs like Brees and Rodgers fall short.

  43. Surprised those 2 didnt make it.I dont know who voted, but those two should have been on the list. Boomer Bob Brown wasn’t even nominated and he was the most devastating offensive lineman to play the game.You have to wonder who’s doing the voting on these lists.

  44. I dunno, Brees is prolific, but I can’t imagine him surviving in the 60’s – 80’s. Refs didn’t throw flags for brushing up against the QB then.

  45. Not sure the subjective, opinion-based pundits, judging based on “the eye test” or wins, will ever give credence to Brees. We, at who dat nation, can live with that because all, every single, the entirety of the objective judgments, that can be made, cannot exclude him…the only reason he is in the goat argument at all is because, but virtue of will, he’s forced it, by breaking every meaningful record…otherwise, if he were just top 5 in those categories, he wouldn’t be given even a single iota of consideration.

    The arguments I often hear against his greatness are:

    1. Not enough rings / mvps (despite the obvious bad luck, jobbings and sabotage the saints have endured during his tenure…who else had had to play a season with no hc and a skeleton coaching crew on this list? Who else had their coach get his knew blown out? Multiple players on that list have been directly implicated in cheating…Brees? MVPs are a opinion-based, voted on award…it’s the most ridiculous thing, to use that as an excuse to exclude him from these new subjective lists and accolades simply because someone else excluded him previously).

    2. Not enough postseason success / being a regular season hero (despite his having worse per pass td rate, int rate, and qb rating in reg season than Brady, but better playoff per pass percentages).

    3. Having fewer total stats, including postseason (despite the obvious benefit of having more games with which to do it).

    4. Having more ints, pointing to the fact that he has 58 more (reg season – only 26 more when postseason is factored) than Brady (despite not including the postseason numbers…but they claim that are crucial to showing the big picture when it comes to other total stats, and fail to realize that Brees not only has had less quality teammates over the years…no one was taking paycuts to play in nola…but also that he played against much harder, more talented teams than have been the norm in the AFC LEast).

    5. Dome field advantage claims (despite the fact that Brees’ passing efficiency is better than Brady outdoors…and indoors…all doors).

    This is actually really great. Excluding him from this subjective list will most likely light a fire and keep him playing until 45. His records will stand for a hundred years.

  46. The indignity of it all! Excluding the old old timers, if I were drafting a QB I would certainly take Brady,Manning,Favre,Marino,Montana ahead of Brees and Rodgers. Staubach, 5 superbowls with 2 Lombardi’s, is hard to argue against.

  47. I don’t think Rodgers or Brees belong on the list, unless they’re in place of Elway or Staubach. Sammy Baugh and Otto Graham absolutely belong, and Unitas too.

    But lists like these are dumb because if you go back far enough, halfbacks were field generals, and Red Dunn won four championships in the 20s/30s in that role.

  48. I understand everybody couldn’t make the list, and I agree Aaron Rodgers should not be on it, but Drew Brees needs to be on the list and top 3 at that. Too much love Favre, Staubach and Elway. Brees over all three of them. Plus, Peyton was a postseason choker. Top three of TB12, Brees and Montana.

  49. Brees continues to be the most disrespected player in NFL history. Compare his stats — both regular season and playoffs — to Manning and Brees is better in nearly every category. And I don’t want to hear about playing in a Dome, because Manning played his home games indoors as well.

    There is no way that Staubach and Elway should be on this list above Brees and Rodgers.

  50. Graham, Baugh, Untitas and somewhat Staubach were all before my time. Other than those four, very hard to argue the others on the list.

  51. People who cry about these two not making it are ignorant of the games history. They are also blinded by fantasy football and the fact that rule changes have made it waybto easy for offense.

    Analytics show Rodgers cares more about his stats then winning. He would rather throw a ball away to avoid an INT than take a chance when it is justified and the team desperately needs a play.

    Brees and Rodgers have both been disappointing in big games. For one reason or another the media doesnt want to acknowledge that. If they have gotten the same scrutiny for this that Peyton got, you guys would probably think much differently.

  52. I’ve got no problem with Brady being on the list, since he’d have thrived on a team that doesn’t cheat. But Staubach probably wouldn’t have. Cut him from the list.

    Marino? Really?

    We’ve cleared two spots without even getting into the fact that Rodgers is better than Favre at throwing it to guys on his own team. Overhyped, of course, but still a great one.

  53. Aside from Brady, it’s hard to include active players in such all-time lists and a tad unseemly. Both Aaron & Brees have had poor years – what if they have a few more? Wait til they retire.

  54. Pulledgroin says:
    December 28, 2019 at 7:23 am

    There is no way that Staubach and Elway should be on this list above Brees and Rodgers.
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    Elway went to 5 SBs, the most of any QB when he retired and won two. Also retired as the QB with the most wins in NFL history (148). Your lack of knowledge of NFL history is stunning.

  55. All this “greatest of” is all a bunch of BS. Who are these people making these decisions? First off most of the people voting are probably in their 30’s and have no clue about anyone from the past. This is just another way for the media to create controversy. You CANT compare old history to today’s players.

  56. All-time lists can never work for a sport that has been around for as long as baseball, basketball or football. People will throw in the big names of the past just to make it look like they put in effort, but it will always be geared toward newer audiences.

    Most of us have never seen him play, but how do you make the argument that Otto Graham is not the best QB ever? He got to the title game every year, won 7 times and still has the highest yards per attempt ever, a stat we use to measure QBs today, despite playing in an era where throwing was not the priority.

    If Roger Staubach had the playbook opened up for him like they do for QBs today who knows what he could have done?

    That’s why it is best to just list the best QBs of the 10’s, 00’s, 90’s, 80’s etc. in separate lists. There is nothing to accomplish by doing an all-time list and no way to get it right.

  57. Green Bay has had either Favre or Rodgers as QB for 27 years, in that spell they won the NFC title 3 times, the Superbowl twice. I know it’s not all about winning with these lists but with the QB in place for that length of time underachievement on this scale has probably hurt Rodgers.

  58. I don’t really put a lot of stock in a All-Time team that was largely picked by Bill Polian, Tony Dungy, Charean Williams, Charlie Casserly, and Peter King. Just saying.

    I will not debate who should or shouldn’t be on this particular All-Time NFL team. I will however comment on the topic of QB’s and will tell you that I do feel some pride in the fact that there are 3 Green Bay Packers QB’s that are in the discussion for who are the Top 10 QB’s of All-Time. You can’t name another team or franchise that can say the same.

    #OneTeamOneNation

    #PackersNation!✊

  59. Brees does incredibly well in a climate controlled dome. Sensational! How could he be off this list?
    Put him outside when its cold. That’s why he’s not on this list.

    Picture Drew in the old days going to Minnesota, Philly, Cleveland, Green Bay, Chicago.

  60. How can you leave off the NFLs all-time passing yard leader, TD leader, completion percentage leader, and about 15 other records? Drew Brees gets no respect.

  61. Pulledgroin says:
    December 28, 2019 at 7:23 am
    Brees continues to be the most disrespected player in NFL history. Compare his stats — both regular season and playoffs — to Manning and Brees is better in nearly every category. And I don’t want to hear about playing in a Dome, because Manning played his home games indoors as well.
    ——-
    Here is another stat
    MVP awards. Manning – 5. Brees – 0.

  62. The problem is the qb position in todays game is judged just on statistics. You have to be a leader and winner to be a good qb too. Thats why I think Favre comes in ahead of rodgers. You can have all the arm talent in the world but if youre not a good leader of men and cant win the big game or guys dont like you…well kind of speaks for itself. I think this helps guys like Bradshaw and Favre there winners and there leaders. There has been enough turbulence with Rodgers that I think it hurt him here. Everyone likes Favre and his joyfulness on the field and fun with his teammates really stood out. It makes a difference.

  63. eaglesmancave says:
    December 28, 2019 at 8:30 am
    Remove Baugh, Graham and Staubach. Put in Rodgers, Brees and Starr.

    ————-

    Debate Baugh and Maybe even Staubach but not Graham. He has to be on.

  64. How much does Brees playing at least 9 of his 16 game every year inside a dome play a roll in his numbers? Is there a statistical analysis of his numbers indoor vs. outdoors? I’d imagine playing at least more than half you games every year inside and not having to worry about rain, snow, heat, cold, poor visibility, poor field conditions, etc. was a big benefit to Brees. He’s still a hell of a QB and one of the best in the last 25 years.

  65. No way Farve should be on the list. Might be exciting to watch but he was nothing but an interception machine. Give me someone who takes better care of the ball.

  66. If Brees and Rodgers finish their careers strong and potentially get another super bowl each, I could see them supplanting favre and Elway.

    Starr probably should be on there for the same reason Brady is,

    Championships

    Or are we going to double standard the criteria saying Starr played in an era easier to win super bowls because of less teams and not take into consideration Brady’s QB friendly rules era.

  67. It’s so tough to truly compare eras. The rules keep changing, and always to help the QBs. When the NFl expands its schedule to 17-18 games, and rules for hitting QBa and WRs are tightened even further, you’re going to see QBs approach 6,000 yards.In 10-20 years, people will look at these QBs and their stats and think “what’s the big deal”? Case in point, Dan Marino was the first QB to throw for 5,000 yards, then Drew Brees did it in 2008.So in the first 90 years of NFL history, two QBs surpassed 5,000 yards. In 2011, three QBs did it, and six have done it since then. Guys like Unitas were envious of the rules Marino and Montana played under and they look quaint compared to today. Although, I would still find a way to have Drew Brees on my list.

  68. As far as weather conditions, you pretty much have to eliminate any QB from Florida, California, a dome team or maybe any south of the Mason Dixon line, by that logic. Brees was an all American at Purdue, where it gets pretty damn cold. He could have played anywhere, just like the other guys on the list.

  69. I have seen all qb,s play from the late 60,s thru today as a season ticket holder for 30 years and Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady are the most talented I’ve seen… Aaron had a much poorer cast around him and didn’t win the superbowls . That would be poor mgt by the packers. From a vikings fan!

  70. I agree with others, Aaron Rodgers doesn’t belong on this list. I think he’s a modern day Steve Young. I would swap Bart Star over Brent Favre (his interception totals enough said). The only other name I would question is John Elway. Marino and Elway played in the same era, Marino was better.

  71. Comparing players from different eras is stupid. “If we moved player X from time period A to time period B, they would either suck or be totally awesome”, is a childish argument of let’s pretend. A players “greatness” must be determined by their dominance against their peers in the period in which they played.

    Unfortunately for Brees and Rodgers, they played in the shadows of two of the greats – Brady and Peyton. In the 21st century, they set the bar. Brees and Rodgers just never measured up.

  72. Leaving Brees off is like leaving off the NFL’s all time leading rusher and td leader for running backs. What a joke. QB job is to throw the ball and every meaningful record says he’s the best in NFL history.

    And everyone with all this nostalgia for these old quarterbacks that I guarantee probably didn’t watch much of back in the day is ridiculous. They pumping up these championship stats for these quarterbacks, well they only played 11 games back then and had 10 teams in total. I’m thinking it was a lot easier to win when you have a 10% chance from the start of winning a championship and if you had good players on the team to keep together that a salary cap, fa etc wouldn’t tear the team apart.

  73. As Hopper53 points out, Elway retired 20 years ago with the most career wins for a qb(148). If the Patriots win tomorrow vs. Miami, Brady will hit 250. Let that roll around in your brain for a while…

  74. so many great QB’s through the years and 10 is hard to pinpoint, thats basically two per decade just since 1970 which was the year I started watching pro football, as a Cowboy’s fan I got to see Staubach play his entire career and feel pleased he made the cut and also feel he was deserving, I can understand the Bree’s and Roger’s {which personally I would take over Favre} followers having a gripe, The game is about winning and Staubach’s career record winning pct is second only to Brady..86-29, and he didn’t even start till he was 29 due to military commitment and missed an entire season 72 due to injury, played in 7 Conference title games and the two SB’s he lost were to a team some regard as one of the best in history..
    The man had ice water flowing through his veins in the biggest of moments and even larger had the total team believing he would get the job done, much like Brady..
    Glad I had the opportunity to see him play.

  75. Dan Marino is a great passer, not a great quarterback. That is why he has never won the Super Bowl. Rodgers and Brees are better quarterbacks than Marino. There is a difference between a quarterback and a passer. Elway was more of a passer than a quarterback until he started heading the ball of to his running backs in his last 2 seasons as a pro. Peyton Manning won 2 Super Bowl rings, but he did it only in those 2 seasons he handed the ball to his running backs instead of passing down after down.

  76. I don’t think Favre, Staubach belong, and I never say Sammy Baugh play so I cannot comment on him.

  77. If you want to know how skewed the NFL is today look at the NFL career passing ratings and try to convince yourself this is an accurate reading of QB’s greatness. Over half never faced defenses that were allowed to play defense, i.e. bump and run, Receivers weren’t allowed to push off like they are today,blockers had rules changed to favor offenses and pass-rushers hit QB’s after passing and receivers were hit even if they didn’t catch the ball, in cases called paying the price for going over the middle- Darryl Stingley being the worst example.I’m not arguing against all those changes, but that is how the game was played.

  78. As Hopper53 points out, Elway retired 20 years ago with the most career wins for a qb(148). If the Patriots win tomorrow vs. Miami, Brady will hit 250. Let that roll around in your brain for a while…

    //////

    Don’t have to.

    Elway played in an era were the qb got killed. Rodgers, Brees, Brady and Manning would all be done playing already. Possibly half the stats they have now. Even favre’s career was prolonged at the end due to rule changes.

    If the rules for qb’s were the same, Montana, Elway and Marino might still own all the stats.

    Remember we named rules after Brady and Rodgers to protect them. No one dances more than Brady when someone gets by his feet and he’s the Goat to a lot of people. Good mind, decent arm, but not the skill set of Elway or Marino.

  79. Anyone who now or later is in the Hall of Fame will forever be referred to as a Hall of Famer. Even guys who are on this list will be referred to as Hall of Famers and, after a short time, it’s unlikely anybody will mention the Top 100 team.

    It’s silly to get worked up about who is and isn’t named to the Top 100. This is just an entertainment series capitalizing on the NFL’s 100th anniversary and shouldn’t be seen as anything other than a means of getting eyeballs and advertisers.

  80. endtimesparty says:
    December 28, 2019 at 10:30 am
    Brees doesn’t have a reputation for game winning drives or 4th quarter comebacks. That’s when kegends are made.

    Sure, except Brees has 35 to Brady’s 36 4th quarter comebacks.

    Brees has also led 21 go ahead drives at the end of games only to watch the defense give up the lead. Happened against the 49ers this year (and in 2011 playoffs) and almost against houston in the opener (brees had to lead TWO game winning drives in the last 60 seconds). Brady has taken the lead and had his defense collapse 4 times. Happened to peyton 6 times. So, basically, saints d doesnt poop itself, brees has more game winning drives than even manning and blows brady away.

    Learn football and understand context people damn.

  81. In the late 70’s NFL films did a show on ‘The Quarterbacks’. At that time Stauback and Bradshaw were the current stars. At the end of that show the ‘voice’ of NFL films John Facenda signs off stating – ‘All quarterbacks are compared to Unitas , Unitas is compared to no one ! ”

    That my friends said it all.

  82. Situation and supporting cast is everything. Brees wasn’t good in San Diego. Ditto Steve Young in Tampa. Montana didn’t set the world on fire in KC. If Brady was a sixth-round pick of the Browns instead of the Patriots, do we even remember him? Is Bradshaw a star outside of Pittsburgh?

    Brees might have had all kinds of trouble with the rules in the ’80s. Marino might have thrown for 6,000 yards in today’s touch football climate. We’ll never know.

    But that’s part of what makes this (NFL marketing) exercise fun. Some go by stats. Others by championships. Others by mere ‘feel’ (I’d use ‘who would you want, in their prime, in any situation?’) There are no actual correct answers.

  83. andrwken…the “compare TB12 to XXX” ship sailed a while ago. Skills are cool…SB trophies are much cooler. usdcoyote…”AR is the GOAT”? Thanks for the laugh to start my day.

  84. In my opinion, the only strikingly inexcusable flaw in this list is its failure to include Brees (who, at this point, looks like he will play for years beyond Brady).

  85. ”Star > Favre > Rodgers.”

    Starr> Rodgers > Favre

    Fixed for now. Might change once Aaron is done playing. He’s always been better than Favre and I love all 3 as players. Might surpass Starr.

    Listen to some of the quotes of players who played with both. Just yesterday on espn a player was quoted saying no one in GB was too worried about Favre leaving. They all have been watching Rodgers for 3 Years and the already knew he was a better, more accurate passer.

    You wonder why Favre was bitter and throwing around retirement those last few years. He knew it too.

  86. turleytoss says:
    December 28, 2019 at 4:29 am

    5. Dome field advantage claims (despite the fact that Brees’ passing efficiency is better than Brady outdoors…and indoors…all doors).

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    You’re wrong.

    Brady passer rating – Outdoors 96.4 – Dome 109 (Retroof 98.4)

    Brees passer rating – Outdoors 91.6 – Dome 104.9 (Retroof 89.9)

    Stats from PFR

  87. How is anyone supposed to take this serious?

    I mean Elway is on it but Starr isn’t.

    Oh, and why isn’t Cam on it? I mean really, aren’t you at least a little surprised?

  88. Favre’s game after his Dad’s death, and with a concussion, is the single greatest regular season performance by a QB I’ve seen. I hate the Packers and Vikings and Jest, but there is no denying his greatness.

  89. Roger Staubach

    Really?

    If drew Brees had that surrounding cast he would have way more rings.

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    Okay, lets give Brees that surrounding cast. Then lets put the 1970’s steelers defense in front of them and see what happens.

  90. andrwken…the “compare TB12 to XXX” ship sailed a while ago. Skills are cool…SB trophies are much cooler. usdcoyote…”AR is the GOAT”? Thanks for the laugh to start my day.

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    Ok then Starr should be a no brainer. He won two Super Bowls and 5 of 7 nfl championships.

    Thanks for the laugh. You proved my point blindly.

  91. Nothing more than “Made for TV” list. I do realize it is an emotional topic but all QB’s mentioned here are worthy in my opinion.

    I mean, how about that QB who’s got 2 rings and took down the GOAT twice? Doesn’t he deserves some love?

    As long as we don’t see anyone lobbying for Jeff George! Lol

  92. saintswillwin says:

    December 27, 2019 at 10:33 pm
    Brees should have replaced Marino

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    you are kidding? Brees just recently beat a few of his records by playing longer. Here is the difference. Marino did it in an era where you can actually touch the QB and he did it will no supporting cast. If Marino played today… he would have 5500+yds. and 45+ TDs. The Dolphins did not even pretend to run the ball. Every team knew he was going to be in Shotgun for 70% of the snaps and still could not stop him. Brees is deserving, but not in his place.

  93. Brees doesn’t have a reputation for game winning drives or 4th quarter comebacks. That’s when kegends are made.

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    Why don’t you do some research before posting this bs. Since 1960, Brees is second only to Peyton Manning on game winning drives. Ahead of Montana, Elway, Marino, even Brady. And like every other record in the books, I’m sure he will own this one before he retires. So try coming up with something else. Man deserves to be on the list over Favre, Marino, Elway, and Staubach for sure.

  94. Staubach was good but he shouldn’t be on the list. Someone check my data but I think he was only an All-Pro twice. And Simms’ credibility disappears the moment he mentions Bradshaw. Bradshaw was considered a top 5 NFL QB exactly once in his career.

  95. “In my opinion, the only strikingly inexcusable flaw in this list is … ”

    I am fixing it for you.
    ” … that Elway is on the list over QBs who could actually pass the ball accurately.”

    In Elway’s era, Marino, Kelly & Moon were all consistently better.
    Like somebody above said, Elway finally won when he stopped throwing and let his running game win it. Had Denver done that more vs GB in SBXXXI, Denver would’ve won easily.

    I also laugh at the people who talk about “when the old QBs could get hit” and then mention Marino, Elway, Montana. The rules were already way softer by then. If you don’t believe me, go to youtube and find some old games from the 1950s and 1960s. It was common for a QB to get a forearm or a clothesline, in bounds, out of bounds, in the end zone, after the play was blown dead, with the refs watching and doing nothing. O-lineman could not hold at all, now they can if they keep their arms in. DL could push the facemask back, slap the helmet, etc. Receivers could be knocked out and/or clotheslined going across the field as long as the ball wasn’t thrown yet. The hash marks were further outside, so the play started way off to one side of the field often. What Otto Graham, Unitas and Starr did in their time is incredible. Graham has much better passing stats than Elway even though his era was much more difficult for QBs.

  96. Andrwken…you are right..Starr should be on this list, but TB12 is the GOAT. Period…end of discussion.

  97. It’s not easy to see what the selection criteria were, except to say that the game has changed and all eras were considered/represented. One could argue that one out of Favre, Elway & Marino could have been replaced by Starr or one of the current passing era QBs. It’s also not realistic to think that 3 out of 10 of the best QBs of all time are still playing in the league today…

  98. favrenot says:
    December 28, 2019 at 8:24 am
    Elway? Top 10?

    kevinlawrencecantor says:
    December 28, 2019 at 8:26 am

    Most of us have never seen him play, but how do you make the argument that Otto Graham is not the best QB ever? He got to the title game every year, won 7 times and still has the highest yards per attempt ever, a stat we use to measure QBs today, despite playing in an era where throwing was not the priority.
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    Grahem was Brady before Brady. But he should be considered best ever because he WOULD very likely be that good in todays game. Hes the ONLY one on the list who had to play with the MUCH ROUNDER “rougby-type” ball that frankly ONLY HE figured out how to spin/spirol with such velocity that:

    1) the league decided that his type of passing was so exciting THEY CHANGED THE BALL into today’s “missile shaped” football so OTHERS COULD BE ABLE TO pass spirols “like him”.. and

    B) Even with THAT monstrosity of a ball, Grahem STILL holds the most yards per pass EVER

    He was BY FAR the best QB ever.. If he lived today – he’d be SCARY (*Note He also went on to win the olympics in another event – besides football

  99. you are kidding? Brees just recently beat a few of his records by playing longer. Here is the difference. Marino did it in an era where you can actually touch the QB and he did it will no supporting cast. If Marino played today… he would have 5500+yds. and 45+ TDs. The Dolphins did not even pretend to run the ball. Every team knew he was going to be in Shotgun for 70% of the snaps and still could not stop him. Brees is deserving, but not in his place.

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    I love Marino but this is funny considering he holds the NFL record for consecutive games and passes without being sacked. So he’s probably my been hit less than Brees in his career. Difference is at close to 40 Marino fell apart. Brees on the other hand has put in two of his best seasons ever at that age. Go look up the stats.

    What also hurts Marino is the saying, ‘Don’t mean a thing, unless you got that ring.’ He shouldn’t be on any list not winning at least one super bowl.

  100. ditkasanger says:
    December 28, 2019 at 1:50 pm
    favrenot says:
    December 28, 2019 at 8:24 am
    Elway? Top 10?

    kevinlawrencecantor says:
    December 28, 2019 at 8:26 am

    Most of us have never seen him play, but how do you make the argument that Otto Graham is not the best QB ever? He got to the title game every year, won 7 times and still has the highest yards per attempt ever, a stat we use to measure QBs today, despite playing in an era where throwing was not the priority.
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    Grahem was Brady before Brady. But he should be considered best ever because he WOULD very likely be that good in todays game. Hes the ONLY one on the list who had to play with the MUCH ROUNDER “rougby-type” ball that frankly ONLY HE figured out how to spin/spirol with such velocity that:

    1) the league decided that his type of passing was so exciting THEY CHANGED THE BALL into today’s “missile shaped” football so OTHERS COULD BE ABLE TO pass spirols “like him”.. and

    B) Even with THAT monstrosity of a ball, Grahem STILL holds the most yards per pass EVER

    He was BY FAR the best QB ever.. If he lived today – he’d be SCARY (*Note He also went on to win the olympics in another event – besides footbal

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    Graham played when a 240lb fat white guy was considered an “athlete” and there were like 6 teams with names like the Akron Spark Plugs. Today’s players are bigger, faster, stronger and more athletic. This year’s NY Giants would be undefeated playing against the teams in Graham’s era

  101. It’s difficult to argue with the choices since there are no specific ways to choose the “greatest”. Everybody has a different opinion of what makes a player great.

    Many people are saying that Otto Graham should be on the list, and it’s easy to make a case for that, but that same case can be made for many other players. In Graham’s case, the league was much smaller. When Graham played, the NFL was between 10 and 13 teams. In addition, they only play 13 games in a season.

    In Otto’s era, a team had a 300% better chance to win a championship than today, with 32 teams in the NFL.

  102. Rodgers, Marino and Young imo the most entertaining to watch. Marino probably the most competitive in a world of competitive people. And anybody that says Marino shouldn’t be in there needs to remove themselves from the football fan club. But I think having to pick is ridiculous, as the rules today have made it a different game.

  103. Maybe…here’s a thought…they and their one super bowl ring having underachieving selves aren’t Top 10 all time QBs.

    Shocking right?!? A different opinion!

    Maybe Drew Brees is the awful, terrible 12th all time or something like that. Maybe Rodgers is…totally embarrassing…14th of all time.

    Why do people act like just because someone isn’t top 10 EVER they’re being completely disrespected. It’s not like guys are saying they’re the 200th best

  104. If the league wants a list of Greatest QBs to never win a Super Bowl then Marino would be at the top of the list; whoever voted Marino over Brees on the current list is a phucking moron!

  105. > When Graham played, the NFL was between 10 and 13 teams… In Otto’s era, a team had
    > a 300% better chance to win a championship than today, with 32 teams in the NFL.

    You could just as easily say that it was harder to win a championship because teams were better, as less teams meant all teams had very good players. Most of those teams had a few or more legendary players and multiple all-pro types. You can’t say that with today’s teams. In a league of 12 teams with a roster size of 33 there would be 396 players. In a league of 32 teams with a roster size of 53 there are 1696 players. What if the best 396 of those players were on the top 12 teams?

  106. I love Marino but this is funny considering he holds the NFL record for consecutive games and passes without being sacked. So he’s probably my been hit less than Brees in his career. Difference is at close to 40 Marino fell apart. Brees on the other hand has put in two of his best seasons ever at that age. Go look up the stats.

    What also hurts Marino is the saying, ‘Don’t mean a thing, unless you got that ring.’ He shouldn’t be on any list not winning at least one super bowl.
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    Marino was hit plenty and late with no modern rules. He had and probably still does the “quickest release” meaning no credited Sack was given.

    This is a QB list… sure, he never got a Ring, but this is a Team Sport. By your logic I guess Trent Dilfer should be on the list????

  107. individualnumber2 says:
    Favre’s game after his Dad’s death, and with a concussion, is the single greatest regular season performance by a QB I’ve seen. I hate the Packers and Vikings and Jest, but there is no denying his greatness.
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    I know, that was an amazing performance by Favre and his entire cast of teammates. Very impressive. The concussion, though, is sort of an eternal condition for Favre. The name “Favre” and the word “dazed” mean pretty much the same thing. That wasn’t a one-game circumstance by any stretch. Terry Bradshaw is also a permanent member of that club.

  108. Looks like a good list to me. Why in the world would Rodgers or Brees even be considered for top 10? I’d put Starr, Young, Aikmen, and Bradshaw in before either of those two. I’d put Brees ahead of Rodgers, simply because Brees played a chunk of his career before the QB/WR rule changes. Rodgers played 95% of his career with the new rules. To me, any QB that plays with these new rules is not ever going to be considered one of the greatest ever.

    Ridiculous that the headline is that “Rodgers and Brees left off the list” instead of ” Tom Brady, Montana, Elway… lead the list.”

  109. milkcan44 says:
    December 28, 2019 at 12:01 pm

    Most fun QB group: Namath, Stabler, Favre, Bradshaw, Jurgenson, Meredith, Kilmer.
    ……………

    Add Bobby Layne (50’s/60’s) to that list ( with a couple of championships )

  110. The only controversy is Baugh and Staubach over Starr and Bradshaw. Brees is a dome stats guy who went on 1 run in 20 years. I will never forget this idiot running around the field with a piece of paper that said he was the yardage leader. Rodgers is very good, but not top 10.

  111. “By your logic I guess Trent Dilfer should be on the list????”
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    Ha. Yeah, well he was an ESPN analyst, so…

  112. Rodgers had a few good years. He hasn’t been good for years. His stats are not great even though he has always preferred stats over wins. I.e take a sack vs. risk an int. Plus he is 0 for 37 in comebacks against winning teams.

  113. The problem or maybe interesting thing with lists like this is there are at least 16 QBs you can make a case for but you only get to pick ten. Makes for good discussion for sure.

  114. Andrwken…you are right..Starr should be on this list, but TB12 is the GOAT. Period…end of discussion.

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    I don’t argue the goat claim much. He’s got all boxes checked and that’s fine with me.

    I still think modern qb’s have a cakewalk compared to anyone who played in the 90’s and back. Montana could have 6 rings easy if he wasnt getting blasted. Elway, Aikman, Marino might have numbers that can’t be touched if they had modern qb protections.

    Rodgers, Brees, Manning and Brady would not be the same qb getting hit like that on every play. The saints tee’ed off on Favre one time like that in this era and he barely finished the game at his age. he was supposedly as tough as they get.

  115. Favre is the only qb to play at a high level pre-QB protection, and post. He was an MVP in green bay when you could still crush a QB and played at an MVP level in MN in the current stats explosion era. He would have been great in ANY decade of football. It’s hard to say that about the others, especially brees or rodgers.

  116. With all the hype Lamar gets, you would figure that he will be the BEST OF ALL TIME and should be on the list 😉

  117. The Elway haters are hilarious. Elway went to 5 Super Bowls. The first 3 trips he carried the entire team on his back which is why they got killed in those Super Bowls. 1 man teams usually aren’t successful unless your name is Elway.

  118. Difficult to imagine Brees is not on the list, but then again, it is a list. At some point in time, he’ll be on it.

  119. teflondyme says:

    December 28, 2019 at 4:51 pm
    The Elway haters are hilarious. Elway went to 5 Super Bowls. The first 3 trips he carried the entire team on his back which is why they got killed in those Super Bowls. 1 man teams usually aren’t successful unless your name is Elway.

    Xxxxxx
    Oh boy Packers fan gonna be up in arms over that, they’ve been a one man team for over a decade now. Hahahahaha

  120. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    December 28, 2019 at 4:07 pm

    Elwat has average stats but because of the two super bowl titles he’s rated highly. If it wasn’t for Davis he wouldn’t have those two titles.
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    So take the QB off that went to 5 SBs (most at the time, still second only to TB12), won 148 games (most in history at the time), threw over 50,000 yds (2nd most at the time), 300 TDs (3rd most at the time) and then discount the SB titles because of Davis? Which of those “average” stats troubles you?

  121. I didn’t get to see all of these QBs play, but I’ve seen most of them. As mentioned earlier, only one of them has a career every other QB would want, and that’s Tom Brady. Tom also has a personal life they all want too LOL. Tom should have been born triplets. He’s too good to be one man. If he was born triplets, he’d hold the top 3 spots on this list!

    Not sure Brees would have handled the pounding in earlier days. Smaller stature quarterbacks have only made a dent in the game in recent times after the rules were changed.

    Not sure I would put Bradshaw on here. He just was not a great QB. Marino stays because he could thread the needle on a 40 yd frozen rope with double coverage and getting knocked on his butt, though usually his quick release kept him out of trouble. Not sure about Staubach either. Good. Reliable. Top 10? Debatable.

  122. “The Elway haters are hilarious.”

    I agree!

    Lifelong Pats fan, but I loved watching Elway and was a Broncos fan for all of their SBs. He often was forced to play with a piano on his back, doing his best to carry the team to victory. I associate him mostly with Wayne Gretsky when it comes to team value and pure heart. Let the haters hate…I quite used to it.

  123. I like Brees, but I have zero problem with him not being on the list. When talking Brees, you have to account for playing most of every season inside a done. Pretty easy to put up awesome stats when there’s PERFECT weather for over half of your games every year. The QBs from yesteryear never had that advantage and played in far worse conditions and on far worse fields then even the outdoor teams of today. If you think domes don’t create better numbers you’re only kidding yourself.

  124. It’s a fact that QBs today are protected better then Marino, Aikman, Montana, etc, but all of those guys had the benefit of playing with the same star studded rosters for season after season because free agency didn’t exist. You’re not talking just offensive weapons but both lines….squads stayed essentially unchanged for years. That doesn’t happen these days. Quite sure any of today’s QBs would love to have their potential Superbowl rosters remain in check year after year. When you look back at Bradshaw’s Steelers, Staubachs Cowboys, Montana’s Niners, you knew the names of dang near every player…that just don’t happen anymore. That sure helped those guys display their talents.

  125. ?I still think modern qb’s have a cakewalk compared to anyone who played in the 90’s and back.?

    And the goalposts keep changing (keep pushing back the years before QB protection became a thang).

    Brady, Brees & Manning (among others) played when QBs were still getting slammed. They survived into the years when the rules were more in their favor, but the fact is, they all played when it was still rough & tumble.

  126. Wasn’t “top 10” invented back when EVERYONE wore a felt hat and an undershirt under their shirt? My idea is because so many years have passed, why don’t we replace “Top 10” with “Top 12” to reflect the number of players who have passed thru the grid iron?

  127. When was the last time I saw Rogers led a come from behind win in q4 against a good QB/ team when they are down more than 7 points ? He has few game winning drive But those are against Stafford, Cousins. And Cutler

  128. Any list put together is never right…players omitted who should be on the list & those who don’t belong at all…a neverending battle of wits or the witless you decide….

  129. Where are Mahomes and Jackson considering all the pundits say they are the 1st to do everything Benefiting from blown coverages included

  130. How you can have an all time qb list and omit Johnny U is beyond me. Though most things little Simms says is beyond me.

  131. No problem with the list. The voters obviously emphasized the best of the eras, not whether Brees is better than Baugh. For me, Staubach was better than Bradshaw. Marino was so phenomenal, I don’t care about the SBs (that’s largely on Shula, not Marino). Not a big Favre guy, but its ok with me. Hated Elway as a Raiders fan but he deserves it. Brady, Montana, Marino, Unitas and Graham are transcendent QBs.

  132. Why is Rogers even considered. Hell Eli has two rings. Brees has one one just like Rogers but Brees kills everyone with not just team records but individual stats that Rogers doesn’t begin to scratch. Plus Brees makes players that wouldn’t make a practice squad look great. Once they leave they truly are not any good; Moore, Meachum, and Graham all come to mind. Plus Brees doesn’t cry like Rogers when the team stinks.

  133. “Brees and Rodgers with bloated stats in a bloated era and each only dribbling out 1 super bowl.

    The main argument would be Favre and Elway get removed. Each’s TD/Int ratio is poor. I repeat..poor. Their reckless style of play lost their teams a lot of games they should have won.

    Elway’s Super Bowls were some of the worst in history as well. By the early/mid 90s, his career was fading until they decided to cheat the cap in 1995, 1996 and 1997.”

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    Elway is considered because he singlehandedly led his team to those Superbowls where they got blown out by the superior NFC teams. Admittedly, the AFC was much weaker than the NFC in those days, with the Broncos and Browns being the only consistently good teams to make it. I realize that, in your mind, Superbowl rings are the absolute and only measure of a good team, because that’s how you can justify trashing everyone not named Brady, but Elway won a lot of games in this league-more than almost any other quarterback-and threw more touchdowns than almost any other quarterback did, either. Most importantly, in his case, he was clutch (before you begin your rant about Superbowls and how that should disqualify him from any recognition, go watch tape of The Drive and The Drive II and his helicopter TD run decades later in the only game you seem to care bout) and he led his team with fearlessness. So, to recap, Elway excelled in the regular season, led his team unquestionably for over a decade, set several respected records, and won a pair of championships. You might not consider him the greatest of all time, as is fair, but scoffing at him shows your bias.

    Rodgers I would not be mad at being left off, but Brees is the all time leader in touchdown passes and yardage. Not only that, he has thrown for over 5000 yards-SEVERAL times-and has done so while breaking the record for completion percentage-SEVERAL times. The guy has played on some bad teams, teams that have set records of their own-like having given up the MOST YARDAGE IN NFL HISTORY. Now, in tylawspick6’s mind, and others like him, that is entirely Drew Brees’ fault and his defense’s inability to support his performance over the years should somehow lessen his accomplishments. Superbowls are a necessary component to consider when evaluating a player’s career, but they are at the end of the day a TEAM accomplishment. Brady, let me remind you, did not win an MVP to go along with his last ring. If he won that game himself he would have gotten it (which would be impressive considering the fact that he did not throw a touchdown the entire game, and actually threw an interception instead). It’s not all about the rings, as important as they are. The rules today make passing stats easier to come by, by a LOT, but Brees still has managed to surpass everyone else who’s enjoying them when it comes to executing at his position-and yes, that even includes Brady.

  134. Also, I loved watching Favre play. But painfully, he is the one that, in my estimation, would be swapped for Brees. Favre is there for two reasons: his toughness and his volume of passing stats. Considering that Brees has surpassed him and Manning in that category, he belongs there. Manning, however, is likely the smartest QB (football wise, of course) to ever play, and had the most control over his offense, more than any we’ve seen. Add to that the five MVPs, the two SB wins (with different teams), and the resurrection of his career, and he has a better case than Favre. So that answers the question in my opinion. Brees for Favre, because Favre’s best argument is his statistical prowess, and Brees has surpassed him.

    Really, though, I do not think that we should be ranking current players here. I mean, Brees, Rodgers, or Brady could win another ring. Could you imagine if Brady ended up with seven? Or even eight? A more interesting question, however, would not be the ring discussion, because I think most people anticipate that. What if, for example, Brees won an MVP next season, at age 41 or 42? What if he passed for 5000 yards again? What if Brady signed with Indianoplis or Jacksonville and took them to conference championship, or even a Superbowl, or Rodgers suddenly broke his collarbone and was signed, ala Brees or Manning, by, say, the Panthers, and won a ring there? There are too many possibilities that the narrative could change, I think.

  135. Incredible to think the Colts and Packers had one legendary QB after another with very little to show on the super bowl front. Especially the Packers as their boys have been playing a longtime. I think it’s x4 between them. It just goes to show having a great QB doesn’t mean championships will be coming thick and fast unless you have a solid team, good coaches and a good scouting department. And we all know which team has that in spades.

  136. endtimesparty says:
    December 29, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    Where is Joe Namath and Eli Manning?

    Namath threw 47 more interceptions than touchdowns. One successful guarantee does not make him one of the greatest.

    Eli had two great playoff runs. He played a long time and never got hurt in an era where the rules are completely tilted towards the offense. That’s about all I can say about him.

  137. The NFL should have selected 10 QBs who played the bulk of their careers before 1980, and 10 who played the bulk of their careers after 1980.

    Before 1980–Baugh, Graham, Unitas, Staubach, Tarkenton, Bradshaw, Starr, Jurgensen, Luckman, Namath

    After 1980–P. Manning, Brady, Elway, Favre, Marino, Montana, Brees, Aikman, Rodgers, Roethlisberger

  138. Not sure how or why Simms had Terry Bradshaw on his list. With the exception of Joe Namath, I think Bradshaw is the worst QB in the HOF.

  139. Leaving Brees and Rodgers, although considered great today, off the top ten just shows how much the actual pro football historians value today’s NFL . I’ve been lucky enough to have seen a few different generations of quarterback, from Johnny Unitas and Bart Starr to the arena league of today’s NFL. I have absolutely no problem with any of the selections.

  140. I could make many changes to the list, but Rodgers before Favre is my most obvious one. Favre was a prima donna/spoiled brat towards the end of his career, throwing far too many INT’s. Rodgers has been sadly overshadowed by Favre.

    I would also toss in Steve Young before Elway. Check the numbers.

  141. Rodgers? Not even close. In the article they mention they took the vote two seasons earlier and maybe it could have changed the minds of people that put the list together. Rodgers was injured both years and has had injuries in the past. Could you imagine if he played back in Montana, Elway, Marino era? Kid wouldn’t have put five healthy seasons together. Hes the absolute biggest bust of talent considering how all the fan boys talk about how talented he is.

    Its even hard to say Brees should be on. Who do you take off that list? if you take someone off a guy like Steve Young wasn’t better than Brees? its a tough call either way.

  142. At least recency bias didn’t play into this one – Graham, Staubach, Unitas and Baugh definitely deserved to be on the team.

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