John Dorsey out in Cleveland

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John Dorsey is out as the Browns’ General Manager.

According to multiple reports, Dorsey and Browns owner Jimmy Haslam met today, and the result is that Dorsey is leaving the franchise. It’s not immediately clear whether Dorsey’s departure will be termed a firing, a resignation or a mutual parting of ways, but Dorsey is done in Cleveland.

Haslam reportedly was willing to keep Dorsey, but only in a restructured front office where he would have lost some of his authority.

It’s the latest in a long line of moves that make the Browns the most unstable of the NFL’s 32 franchises. Head coach Freddie Kitchens was also fired this week, and since Haslam bought the team in 2012, only one coach or G.M. has lasted more than two years, and that was Hue Jackson, who had one of the worst coaching records in NFL history before he was fired midway through his third season.

Haslam will now get to work on identifying someone new to run his front office, and see if there’s anyone out there who can turn the Browns into a winner.

122 responses to “John Dorsey out in Cleveland

  1. About 7 or 8 coaches since 2010 5 or 6 GMs, if you have managed to tough out being a Brown fan… I wouldn’t even blame you from moving on, they hit the reset every 2 or 3 years. The ownership is foolish, how are the players suppose to learn a new system and get comfortable in it, when it changes every other year, then when you take into consideration that the GM is trying to DRAFT players for that coaches system, to maximize it, it just makes things tougher and tougher, and one of the reasons, that smokestacks are going strong at the factory of sadness.

  2. Legitimately will be interested to see if they can hire the coach they want before someone else gobbles the candidate up, while the Browns are looking for their next GM.

  3. As another commenter reported – Urban Meyer behind all of this? Probably wanted to make Dorsey head of scouting.

  4. Clearly Reid was the brains that put KC in their winning ways. Dorsey was in a tough spot being hired after Reid in KC but Dorsey couldn’t manage the cap. So he gets fired them goes to the Browns. when you are in charge of managing the cap and selecting players, and fail… You’re not a good GM.

  5. Should have kept Gregg Williams as Head Coach! Dorsey made a Fatal Mistake hiring Freddie Kitchens!

  6. My sources tell me that the Haslams are wooing a top-tier candidate who wants a coach/gm situation as a condition of employment. So Dorsey’s firing, on the heels of Kitchens’ firing comes as no surprise. The candidate who demanded a coach/gm position has Ohio roots — Bowling Green, Ohio State — and will generate maximum excitement among Browns fans: Urban Meyer. As the man said, book it.

  7. I wonder if the Browns went 6-10 but Baker Mayfield had a good season if any of this would have happened.

  8. Said it 2 days ago. Dorsey should’ve fired Kitchens the night after players started swinging helmets. He didn’t… “This is my last shot”, to quote Jake Taylor, “at a winner” as far as me staying with this team as a fan as I have for 35yrs of my 40.

  9. I’ll admit….I was wrong. I was convinced after the 2018 season the Browns were on their up with Dorsey. As a Giants fan, I was thrilled that we got as much as we did for Odell, but I thought the move was good for both teams.

    I guess this is why Im not an NFL GM.

  10. Hired Freddie Kitchens as HC.

    Signed OBJ.

    Drafted Baker Mayfield.

    Let Greg William’s go.

    You should probably get fired for those things alone.

  11. Dear John,
    Happy New Year! Please get your stuff out of my office as soon as possible.

    Signed,
    Urban Meyer
    President, GM and Head Coach
    Cleveland Browns

  12. As someone who has worked for the Haslam’s as a supplier, I can tell you this will likely never end. They aren’t the honest bunch and I don’t know why a quality coach or GM would go there… even with some of the talent on the roster. I think it is safe to say the Browns franchise is doomed under this ownership. What a disaster, just like their other businesses.

  13. These people were at fault.

    According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, the Browns search committee includes owner Jimmy Haslam, Executive Vice President JW Johnson, General Manager John Dorsey, assistant General Manager Eliot Wolf, Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta, and Vice President, Player Personnel Andrew Berry. The Browns have been tight-lipped on the committee—saying only that it involved members of the Cleveland Browns organization.

  14. I know he had alot if space and picks because of the his predecessor but Dorsey is a good talent evaluator, they messed up with the coach. You cant expect a team to be fixed in 2 years, you need some patience. Maybe not Jeff Fisher/Marvin Lewis patience but coaches and executives need more time. Khan has been patient in JAX, maybe too patient at times but that is better than hiring and firing every 1-3 seasons. I think Dorsey could have worked out.

  15. The best way to describe the Browns is dysfunctional ownership,fire the head coach, means that it time to change the filter in your furnace

    May the Haslam’s SELL the TEAM
    Is Jimmy Haslam trying to do worse than Art Modell ?

  16. They fired a General Manager? My yearly reminder to change the batteries in my smoke detector.

  17. In a world where everything changes so fast it’s reassuring to see that at least one thing is always stable: The Browns being the Browns.

  18. Should have just kept Sachi, Dorsey wasted that huge bounty of picks they built up. Too bad they didn’t stick with the analytics.

  19. Eliot Wolf would be a good GM. He would want more control than Haslem is willing to give a GM though. DePodesta hopefully isn’t in Haslem’s plans because he is part of the problem.

    They will probably lose Wolf as well as he was tight with Dorsey and probably wants to get out of that dumpster fire in Cleveland.

  20. willywobbles says:
    December 31, 2019 at 2:40 pm
    Whats the address to send my resume?
    _____________________

    Go to their website and click employment oppurtunities, fill out the app. be sure to include how many titles you have won on Madden. I am certain I would be on my way to Vegas right now if Mark Davis wasnn’t so set on Gruden, for coach.

  21. PFT should put up a poll for readers to vote upon. Most dysfunctional franchises over the past decade. For the past decade I think that the Browns win easily with Redskins a close second. What other franchises should be included in the poll? Fins? Lions? Jets?

  22. Please sign Urban Meyer, so the factory of sadness will continue. Urban won’t have the advantage of paying players or giving free tattoos to play for him since everyone gets paid in the NFL.

  23. Poor Browns fans, there is nothing worse than poor ownership because unlike a coach or a player you are stuck with them unless they have a Donald Sterling moment or are unable to make payroll like Frank McCourt.

  24. Now unload the qb who is in the nfl for a hot 2 years and has won maybe 10 games in his illustrious career but carrys on in front of a camera like hes a mvp qb or superbowl winner. Time to humble yourself and act like a professional and let your play speak for you.

  25. Dorsey made a grave mistake hiring Freddie. He also hired Freddie’s staff, which I think makes it worse. I can’t see a big name HC coming in and working under Dorsey, so while I hate the timing, it’s a necessary move.

  26. ALL SIGNS point to Josh McDaniels is getting YET ANOTHER shot at being HC/GM. JUST SAY NO Cleveland. Two words for Cleveland — Andy Reid. His coaching tree is ROCKSTAR – 8 have lead teams to the playoffs. Let me repeat, 8 of Andy Reid’s coaches have led NFL teams to the playoffs. That’s UNREAL.

    Belichick’s tree produces really bad fruit.

  27. The cesspool that is the Cleveland Browns will NEVER get it right. Letting go of Dorsey is a HUGE mistake! Bringing in U Myer will be an even bigger mistake…these aren’t college kids your coaching!

  28. Nobody worth their salt would go there without a complementary GM.

    That said, they will probably hire McCarthy. Ugh.

  29. As long as Paul DePodesta is part of this team they will never succeed. He drives a wedge between every GM or coach and Jimmy Haslam. Can’t have a unified vision with him sitting in California and sniping at everyone else.

  30. Modell is alive and well in Jimmy Haslam. He has learned well the rules for the Art of losing: 1) Meddle. 2) Remove everyone who has achieved even modest success or has demonstrated competence. 3) Marketing is always more important than winning. 4) Above all, insult your customer’s intelligence when explaining your decision.

  31. The only way the Brownies win again is for them to move them again! Hey, Oakland would look good across the front of those jersies!!!

  32. A fish rots from the head so he had to go. Hopefully, they will do a full house cleaning and get a professional coach and GM who can work together to make this team what it should be.

    Clear out the Dorsey cronies while you are at it.

  33. vaster says:
    December 31, 2019 at 2:56 pm
    ALL SIGNS point to Josh McDaniels is getting YET ANOTHER shot at being HC/GM. JUST SAY NO Cleveland. Two words for Cleveland — Andy Reid. His coaching tree is ROCKSTAR – 8 have lead teams to the playoffs. Let me repeat, 8 of Andy Reid’s coaches have led NFL teams to the playoffs. That’s UNREAL.

    Belichick’s tree produces really bad fruit.

    ————
    And yet both Houston and Tenn are both currently in the postseason and they are from BB’s “tree”. Moreover, Brian Flores team just beat the Patriots this last weekend

  34. Cleveland will never win because your voters is keeping Model out of the HOF. Thank god he came to his senses and moved that francise. We also thank you for Ozzie Newsome and the firing of the only guy in your org that knew anything about football Dorsey.

    Thank you Ravens Fan

  35. arwiv says:
    December 31, 2019 at 2:43 pm
    I’ll admit….I was wrong. I was convinced after the 2018 season the Browns were on their up with Dorsey. As a Giants fan, I was thrilled that we got as much as we did for Odell, but I thought the move was good for both teams.

    I guess this is why Im not an NFL GM.
    _______________

    Its also part of the reason Dorsey isn’t either.

  36. vaster says:
    December 31, 2019 at 2:56 pm
    ALL SIGNS point to Josh McDaniels is getting YET ANOTHER shot at being HC/GM. JUST SAY NO Cleveland. Two words for Cleveland — Andy Reid. His coaching tree is ROCKSTAR – 8 have lead teams to the playoffs. Let me repeat, 8 of Andy Reid’s coaches have led NFL teams to the playoffs. That’s UNREAL.

    Belichick’s tree produces really bad fruit.
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    Agreed. Fortunately, Browns fans are familiar with that record, as this was one of Romeo Crennel’s stops. Unfortunately, that was under different ownership.

    I think McDaniels would be a big mistake, especially if he’s given personnel authority. Just ask any Denver fan about King Josh The Only, Lord and Master of All Things Football. I haven’t seen anything from him that doesn’t parallel the career slope (currently downward) of one Tom Brady.

    IMO the Browns would be best off ignoring anything associated with New England, but then again, these are the Browns. I’m a Steelers fan, and have been one for 57 seasons (since the Really Bad Days of the mid-60s), and I want the Browns to be our #1 rival again. All I ask of Haslam and his “brain trust” is that they make the team competitive again.

  37. They already have someone on the staff that would have hired McDermott if he had his way. He was going to take some of Dorsey’s power, and rightfully so. This isn’t as big of a deal as the hateful commenters are making it out to be.

  38. He will name Baseball/analytics guy Podesta the GM. JImmy, his son in law and his minister buddy will pick the coach..Watch qualified candidates run….

  39. The Browns have now officially enter the “tanking in ’20 for Trevor” sweepstakes and will take over the Bengals low team on the totem pole spot next year!

    ENJOY Browns fans, Cleveland were the circus never ends!

  40. Dorsey is paying for his foolish choice of Kitchens over Williams. It was a bad, bad decision and the chickens came home to roost.

    The problem is, who will replace him. If this was done to clear the decks for a GM/head coach, the Browns are in big trouble. That means someone like McCarthy will be in a dual role situation–one of which he has ZERO experience in.

  41. Haslam had no choice but to fire Dorsey, the hiring of Freddie Kitchens was and is inexcusable. No competent experienced head coach would want to take the Browns job with Dorsey as GM. I expect the candidate Haslam has in mind as the new head coach has given Haslam a list of GM’s he would prefer over Dorsey.

  42. Oh no. Say it isn’t so. Haslam is going back to Berry? He was on the search committee.

    The Browns are rumored to have interest in Eagles personnel man Andrew Berry.

  43. shaggytoodle says:
    December 31, 2019 at 2:39 pm
    About 7 or 8 coaches since 2010 5 or 6 GMs, if you have managed to tough out being a Brown fan… I wouldn’t even blame you from moving on, they hit the reset every 2 or 3 years. The ownership is foolish, how are the players suppose to learn a new system and get comfortable in it, when it changes every other year, then when you take into consideration that the GM is trying to DRAFT players for that coaches system, to maximize it, it just makes things tougher and tougher, and one of the reasons, that smokestacks are going strong at the factory of sadness.
    ____________________________

    And since 2010 exactly which one of those HC’s would you have kept? How about GM’s?

    I’d have given Dorsey at least another year but as for ANY of the other GMs/HCs the only thing I disagree with was that they even got hired in the 1st place! Dorsey excluded I said when they hired all of them that it was a HUGE mistake, especially Hue. As a matter of fact excluding Dorsey there isn’t a Browns GM/HC since they re-entered the league in 1999 thats been worth hiring, yet alone keeping!

    BTW I could see Dorsey in Washington next year but I’d rather see him in Cincy and that way he could smash the Browns twice a year, that’d be a fitting!

  44. This was a good move because what this organization needs most is adults. Haslem’s problem is he likes “characters” (Manziel, Baker, Dorsey, Hue, Freddie, OBJ, Gregg Williams, etc) which is understandable because he is a bit of a character himself. If he was smart (and I’m not saying he is) he would place a mature professional at the top of the organization and let that person do the hiring.

  45. I know haslam isn’t the greatest owner, but this is the right move. No football gm with a brain would have hired Freddie kitchens. It was an inexcusable move. Throw in the trade for Odell beckham and it’s a no brainer

  46. Turnover, sure, but this had to be done. After all, did he not elevate Kitchens? Bring in OBJ? Be the cause of the clubhouse atmosphere that was so out of control Myles Garret came out swinging? Complete backfire of a season which he orchestrated. No way could he be relied on to recognize and correct his own mistakes. Had to happen.

  47. billzbubb says:
    December 31, 2019 at 3:35 pm
    Dorsey is paying for his foolish choice of Kitchens over Williams. It was a bad, bad decision and the chickens came home to roost.
    ___________________________

    After Haslam hired Dorsey and ordered him to keep Hue after that 0-16 season I wouldn’t doubt one bit that picking Kitchens over Williams was 100% Haslams decision! Meddling owners never win much!

  48. NFL owners, one group of people who prove year after year that you don’t have to be smart to be rich!

  49. urban meyer has medical issues which caused him to quit coaching twice. The ‘ohio roots’ refers to Josh Mcdaniels who was born in a cleveland suburb and his wife who was also born in a cleveland suburb.

  50. I understand why Dorsey wouldn’t want to give up authority but he made a HUGE mistake by trading for OBJ and hiring Kitchens. Those are head-scratchers and just about the dumbest thing to do–but what do you expect, it’s the Browns. I think he was a good GM but after this past year who knows.

  51. The absolute worst ownership in the NFL, Jimmy and Dee Haslam.

    You can’t believe a word they say…but they are still making Billions, with their sticky fingers all over the franchise.

    Worst NFL owners ever!

  52. McLovin’69: I’ll be the guy. Modell fired Belichick AFTER the move to Baltimore. The “Browns” never fired the GOAT. But hey, I hear the crime in B-More, corruption, mafia, & the housing prices are awesome to live in there lol.

  53. Browns fan since 1961. Can’t support this crap any longer. Haslam is uncoachable. Time for all Browns fans to become FORMER Browns fans. I have! Bye.

  54. Just when I thought it could not get dumber than the Bears press conference this morning, this happens. Dorsey built a pretty good roster, his mistake was letting Greg Williams go in favor of the flavor of the month. Cleveland just seems to be doomed to suck eternally, they are the factory of sadness, the mistake on the lake, the brown wind….

  55. Anyone saying that Urban Meyer is coming to Cleveland needs to have their head examined. Meyer is a low-life domestic violence enabler, but he’s not stupid.

    Urban can live in any warm weather climate he wants to. Why in the world would he choose to spend part of the year in Cleveland?

  56. Dorsey made huge draft day mistakes. He went with Mayfield and Chubb when he could have had Saquan Barkley and Lamar Jackson. Calloway is unproven, Olivier Vernon trade hurt us more than helped us because we have up a good lineman that never really was properly replaced. That being said, Dorsey is heads and shoulders above ANY other GM they’ve had in the last 15yrs. I’m hoping this means that Jimmy is about to sign a coach of the caliber of Urban Meyer that wants to be in charge of picking his own players. If not, they will lose the few fans they have left. Maybe that’s his motive, so he can move the team to Tennessee.

  57. John Dorsey is the only legitimate talent at GM that Cleveland has ever hired. And now the franchise will be set back at least a decade. More meddling owners making it difficult for fans to give a damn.

  58. ivotedfornixon says:
    December 31, 2019 at 4:14 pm
    urban meyer has medical issues which caused him to quit coaching twice. The ‘ohio roots’ refers to Josh Mcdaniels who was born in a cleveland suburb and his wife who was also born in a cleveland suburb.
    _____________________________

    McDaniels was born in Barberton which is an Akron suburb, not a Cleveland suburb and he went to Canton McKinley and won the State Title his senior year. Would you people at least get your facts straight before commenting, there is this thing called Google now days and it only takes a minute or two to check these things!

  59. mclovin069 says:
    December 31, 2019 at 3:12 pm
    Cleveland will never win because your voters is keeping Model out of the HOF.
    ________________________

    Modell DOESN’T DESERVE to be in the HoF! He was quoted several times while he was in Cleveland saying “I don’t care about winning, the only thing that matters is putting asses in seats” and an owner like that doesn’t deserve ANY HoF consideration, NONE!

  60. Another problem affecting the Browns in a negative way…PAUL DEPODESTA.

    Everyone should realize that Depodesta is doing his best to Brown nose (pun not intended) his way into the GM position for the Haslam.

    Ever since Haslam hired Depodesta, Depo has been at the center of the dysfunction and firing of GMs and HCs.

    But Mr Moneyball has Haslam’s ear anytime he wants to give his opinion.

    The Browns don’t need to two GMs…Depodesta needs to be fired too.

  61. I (and many others) always thought Elliot Wolf would end up as the Packers’ GM. He was raised in the scouting department and if the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree, he’d be a good one.

    Last year, McCarthy didn’t even get an interview. Now he’s getting (or gotten) one and the GM that didn’t offer an interview is out the door. I can’t help but wonder if Haslam might not have his heart set on McCarthy.

  62. Hello Browns Fans,
    What I’m about to say isn’t a joke, I really mean it. I understand that the Browns have sucked for a long time and many of you are sick of it and are ready to jump ship. I implore you to not do that and stick with your team.
    I’m a 54 year old guy that has been a Packers fan his entire life. I was born in 1965, but have no memory of “The Glory Days” of the Packers in the 60’s. My first memory of the Packers was in 1970 when I went to kindergarten with my shoulders raised up because I just saw the Packers play, and they all had REALLY big shoulders. Ha ha. Anyway, I went the next 27 years of my life watching the Packers SUCK until they won the SB for the 1996 season. There was a time I was convinced that the Packers would always be the “Washington Generals” to the leagues elites like Dallas, Washington, Oakland, etc. Now those teams have sucked since the early 1990’s and the Packers have been good since then. I guess what I’m saying is hang in there. This too shall pass. Sorry for the long post.

  63. At the beginning of the season everyone called the Dolphins a “dumpster fire”, then the Bengals, Redskins, Giants and Lions started to show they sucked. My point is… all these teams are saying to Cleveland, “hold my beer”.

  64. Urban Meyer, hmmm do I take the Dallas job with everything pretty much in place to go 13-3 next year or take my dream job in Cleveland where everywhere I look there are these fires popping up, the QB is so overrated, the receiving core is a joke and my sta on defense thinks it’s cool to hit players in the head with football helmets and last but not least….it’s Cleveland, Ohio? right next to the toilet handle.

  65. So the Browns take a step back, and the guy who rebuilt them to relevance last season for the first time in forever gets canned. That’s about right for the Browns.

    I’d love it if he landed back in the Packers front office. Assuming that’s unlikely, Dorsey will be unemployed for exactly as long as he chooses to be, and not longer.

  66. Until Cleveland added Mayfield and OBJ, I actually was rooting for the Browns. Now, I say let it burn.

  67. Dorsey as a pure personnel man, sure can draft. That isnt even debatable with the peanut gallery known as PFT.

    Would love to see him in Miami as a consultant to GM Grier for this years draft. Dorsey should have input on players he likes from the 2020 Draft.

  68. McDaniels was born in Barberton which is an Akron suburb, not a Cleveland suburb and he went to Canton McKinley and won the State Title his senior year. Would you people at least get your facts straight before commenting, there is this thing called Google now days and it only takes a minute or two to check these things!

    ———————-

    His point is that he has Ohio roots, which still holds up. Those details aren’t that important. Lighten up buddy, switch to decaf.

  69. Go get Jim Harbaugh. He’s never happy after year three anyway so you can fire him then. Meanwhile it’s a great PR move for the Browns and the NFL with Harbaugh playing his brother twice a year.

  70. As a Browns fan I am as frustrated as anyone, maybe more than most, about the last 20 years. But as someone who knows a little something about how organizations run I do not see this as continuing the same pattern. I see it as trying – mind you trying – to reverse it.

    This team used to change just to change. “Doesn’t work, let’s try something new.” Or they would say, “Stick with the program” in the face of OBVIOUS evidence that they needed to make a change (think Hue). No vision. No identity.

    Either way most of the people posting here would say “Same ol’ Browns.” Sort of the damned if you do and damned if you don’t with this crowd. Dorsey was given reign to hire the coach. He did, and he had no business being a coach. But Haslam let his GM lead. His GM was wrong and is now being held accountable. That is a good thing.

    I could go on but the point is as a fan and as a business leader I MUCH prefer this look than any I had seen. Sashi was a good move – to a point, then he was gone. He got the picks. Dorsey was a good move – to a point, then he was gone. He used the talent but he didn’t know how to run a team. The key is the next move.

  71. If there’s one thing you can count on this off-season, it’s that the Browns will Brown up the GM & HC hirings

  72. But but but, the “knowledgeable” Browns fans assured us that Haslam was no longer a lousy owner because he hired the amazing John Dorsey, and got rid of the previous coach and that Baker was the messiah!

  73. Boy, bet the 2020 tickets will GO THROUGH the roof !!!!! For ONE brief shining moment in 2018, this franchise had a little bit of hope. Another example of an owner who thinks they are a football genius and know’s more than his personnel. I feel for the Browns fans- I’m stuck with JERRAH !!!!

  74. i was feeling bad that the patriots were so bad against miami until i remembered what its like to be some other teams fan where if their team won 12 games thats a one in 20 year occasion.

  75. That’s what happenswhen. You blow more assets and cap then any gn in history inherited. The Odell trade was a signature move. Odell is over rated and started the fake hype that was the 2019 browns. Getting obj was as much of a down fall as Freddie hiring was.

  76. Hmm..well timing is everything, the roster isnt a bad one, and two coaches we already interviewed, one of those two likely asked for final say of the roster, my guess is Mike McCarthy, who sone would argue was dragged down by a then packers GM who over paid certain home town heroes while refusing to sign free agents, I dont believe that, but hey he is still an upgrade for Cleveland

  77. The Browns went 1-31, They accumulated draft picks and huge salary cap. Dorsey was brought in to use those assets wisely. He did not. OBJ-fail, Mayfield-fail, Ward-??, Corbett-fail, Chubb-GREAT, Callaway-fail, Greedy, Taki Taki, Wilson-??. I hate to admit, but the real problem here is the drafting of Baker Baker, the troublemaker.

  78. Now, firing Kitchens was the right move, but firing Dorsey might not have been. He did acquire good players despite a few mistakes, but the franchise needs some form of stability. A simple coaching change, to someone with experience enough to handle its personalities, could have been enough to give the team enough of a nudge to become contenders in a playoff race soon.

  79. I’m not familiar enough with the Browns to know what the problem is there, but they have a wealth of talent at the skill positions. Either the problem is coaching (and Kitchens departure would help solve that) or it was lack of chemistry between the players. This seems like hitting a reset button and will entail a GM taking years to build up a team that fits with a new coach’s style. And having to do it with mediocre draft picks from a team that will probably continue to finish middle of the pack for the next few years because of those skill players.

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