Patriots owner hopes Tom Brady either stays or retires

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Patriots quarterback Tom Brady‘s looking toward an uncertain future, but remains steadfast that he wants to play.

If he had his way, Patriots owner Robert Kraft would have that happen only in New England.

Prior to Saturday’s loss to the Titans, in what could be Brady’s final game with the team, Kraft told Peter King of NBC’s Football Morning in America that he understood the business realities of Brady’s pending free agency.

“Before the season started,” Kraft said, “it was very important to Tom that he be free to do whatever he wanted at the end of the year. You know what I said to myself? That any person who plays 20 years for this team and helps us get to six Super Bowls, and been really selfless, has earned that right. I love the young man like he’s part of my family. Blood family. Anyone who’s done that has earned the right to control his future after 20 years.

“And you know, my hope and prayer is number one, he play for the Patriots. Or number two, he retires. He has the freedom to decide what he wants to do and what’s in his own best personal interest.”

If that ends up being playing for another team, it would be tough for Kraft to watch, the way it was to see Johnny Unitas with the Chargers and other undistinguished final chapters.

“I’m thinking of all that, of all the quarterbacks who went elsewhere, and I just hope and believe that Tom . . . he is so special that he’s earned the right to do what’s best for him,” Kraft said. “But I just hope and pray we fit into his plans. He is unique in the kind of leader he is, his work ethic, his selfless nature, everything. Think about it: He’s been with us 20 percent of the life of the NFL.”

Convincing Brady will be one thing. Convincing Bill Belichick that it’s the right thing to do for the team might be a tougher challenge.

82 responses to “Patriots owner hopes Tom Brady either stays or retires

  1. It would be awesome if he walked away & the last thing he’ll remember is the pick 6, at home, vs the heavy underdog Titans.

  2. I’d worry more about keeping Belichick after you forced Brady on him once already over Garappolo.

  3. I don’t see why BB would let him walk. They’ve earned so many asterisks together.

  4. Tom owes Pats Nation nothing. Whatever he decides we wish him the best, and thank him for two decades of excellence!! His heart and desire might never be matched again, and we thank him for his commitment. He has given it his all and brought Pats Nation 6 shiney Lomardi’s!! We wish him well in all his future endeavors.

  5. It’s not like Belichick has other options.
    Whats he going to do, go with Mariota, or Jameis Winston, or Jarrett Stidham?

    They will go with Brady, who while he has declined, is still smart and knows their system. But they now have to find a QB ASAP. And get offensive help.

  6. The owner doesn’t convince the coach. He tells the coach. Even if it is Belichick. If Kraft wants him back and Brady wants back then he is back.

  7. From a business perspective, it still makes more sense to all sides to work something out in NE. Now that they have an earlier than usual off season, they’ll have time to do that.

  8. Keep Brady and get rid of miserable Bill. Just watched a press conference where BB says he wants HIS input into the decision, it’s not a one way street.

  9. Reminder…. a diminished Brady is still better than most of the QB’s in the league. Not the best thrower – not the fastest runner – but the best QB – same as day one!

  10. TB12 isn’t going anywhere else, unless he hangs it up.

    The Pats need to add a TE, WR and O-Line help. Let McDaniels go somewhere else. This offensive play calling was horrible!

  11. intrafinesse says:
    January 6, 2020 at 7:53 am
    It’s not like Belichick has other options.
    Whats he going to do, go with Mariota, or Jameis Winston, or Jarrett Stidham?

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    If they want to #TankForTrevor those are all suitable options. Can’t see BB agreeing to that though- that would put a stain on Bill’s legacy.

  12. I don’t think he wants his last play to be remembered as a pick six in the playoffs.

  13. dburr10085 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Reminder…. a diminished Brady is still better than most of the QB’s in the league. Not the best thrower – not the fastest runner – but the best QB – same as day one!

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    He will be 43.

  14. didnthearwhat says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:05 am
    Keep Brady and get rid of miserable Bill. Just watched a press conference where BB says he wants HIS input into the decision, it’s not a one way street.

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    At the end of the day BB is the GM and head coach of the Patriots. Of course he would want – and rightfully expect – input into personnel decisions.

  15. Unitas was great for the Colts, but was used up at the end.
    If Brady is like that, then Kraft should let him go and be used up on some other team.

    (But please… not my team.)

  16. dburr10085 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:08 am

    Reminder…. a diminished Brady is still better than most of the QB’s in the league. Not the best thrower – not the fastest runner – but the best QB – same as day one!
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    But we don’t know if he is diminished. Bills O roster moves of the last two years was Jets level bad. Go back from losing Amendola through this years timeline and it is pathetic, and frankly as a Pats superfan embarrassing. Rven forgetting the FA stuff, ust look at the bad O drafting, from 0 Tight Ends even though you knew Gronk was at or near retirement- heck you had a trade all worked out for him last year until he scuttled it. The reaching/overdrafting- Michel and Harry. The next four RB’s taken after Michel are better than him with far less injury history. Harry- unfair to completely judge, but the next 4 receivers are better and made near immediate impact. How do you think Jimmy G would look with Harry instead of Deeebo, or Izzo instead of Kittle? Both were easily obtainable by the Pats.

    A fan has to trust in Bill of course, but they need to hit near perfectly in the Draft this year and I don’t trust his O talent evaluations. Wish they could hire Dorsey as a consultant. His O drafts of the last 5 years are better than Bills 20.

    It is going to be interesting for sure! Go Pats!

    Congrats to the Titans BTW.

  17. So many bright minds…if he does retire I’m fairly sure the last thing he will remember is a popped ball ending up in Logan Ryan’s hands by pure chance!!!

    Mediocrity has become the norm it seems…how did that happen?!?!

  18. “It would be awesome if he walked away & the last thing he’ll remember is the pick 6, at home, vs the heavy underdog Titans.”

    Somehow I think that he’ll look at is 6 Super Bowl rings and remember those victories not one errant pass.

    And sad that the only thing you can hope for regarding such a great player is that he’ll somehow feel bad about his career. What a tiny little attitude to have

  19. Remember this about a 43 year old Brady. He is all in on the TB12 brand, the pliability thing. Retiring now due to decline would mean that the TB12 brand isn’t what it’s been sold to be. So he will want to hang in there as long as possible.

  20. No one seems to be giving Jarrett Stidham any value. In my view Stidham showed more promise when drafted than Brady showed at the same point. After one season observing the Patriot way, Stidham is ready for more than holding a clipboard. It’s not inconceivable to me that Belichick might even use both Brady and Stidham, starting Brady and bringing in Stidham only when Brady is missing his groove. There would be the interesting chance for both to prove they can put the team first and share leadership. Brady might be glad to find he can extend his career significantly by morphing into a present-day George Blanda.

  21. Spend some money bob an surround him with some talent or let Jonathan take over….enough already

  22. Hope and pray says Kraft? He better pray Brady returns. Even with Brady’s decline having begun, the Patriots won’t be much more than a 9-7 team at best without him.

    The best part of the coming fall from the lofty perch will be the pain it inflicts of Patriots fans. The team, the players and the organization are all great and the envy of most fan of other teams. The fans on the other hand are for more arrogant, ungracious and entitled those of any other team in any other sport. They make Yankee fans look like humble, well behaved people and that is not easy.

  23. If Krafty is going to order Beli-sneak to keep Shady, then he might as well jump ship and go be head coach/GM for the Cowboys and their meddling owner.

  24. johnnycantread says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:29 am
    Unitas was great for the Colts, but was used up at the end.
    If Brady is like that, then Kraft should let him go and be used up on some other team.

    (But please… not my team.)

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    So funny how people talk about the all time greats like they watched them play… when they weren’t even born yet. 😀

  25. The owner doesn’t convince the coach. He tells the coach. Even if it is Belichick. If Kraft wants him back and Brady wants back then he is back.

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    I mean that’s technically true. But if Belichick is interested in continuing coaching, I’m guessing Kraft isn’t looking to risk 5-10 more years of a legendary coach for 1-2 more years of a declining QB.

  26. dburr10085 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Reminder…. a diminished Brady is still better than most of the QB’s in the league. Not the best thrower – not the fastest runner – but the best QB – same as day one!
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    Not this year. His numbers were at the bottom of the pack. Some of that is due to lack of weapons but he also just didn’t look right this year. Father time is undefeated.

  27. GoodellMustGo says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:09 am
    johnnycantread says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:29 am
    Unitas was great for the Colts, but was used up at the end.
    If Brady is like that, then Kraft should let him go and be used up on some other team.

    (But please… not my team.)

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    So funny how people talk about the all time greats like they watched them play… when they weren’t even born yet. 😀

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    1973 wasn’t that long ago. You don’t even have to be particularly old to have watched Johnny Unitas play.

  28. groganfan says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:51 am
    No one seems to be giving Jarrett Stidham any value. In my view Stidham showed more promise when drafted than Brady showed at the same point. After one season observing the Patriot way, Stidham is ready for more than holding a clipboard. It’s not inconceivable to me that Belichick might even use both Brady and Stidham, starting Brady and bringing in Stidham only when Brady is missing his groove. There would be the interesting chance for both to prove they can put the team first and share leadership. Brady might be glad to find he can extend his career significantly by morphing into a present-day George Blanda.

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    This is extremely unrealistic. Belichick is not going to use two QBs that way, and Brady isn’t going to sign up to get the hook for an unproven player any time he’s struggling in the first half.

    And even if Stidham is better than Brady now than Brady was at this point in his career (which, what? what is that statement based on?) Brady is an absolute anomaly. His career trajectory has no bearing on what Stidham is capable of. That’s like saying Nathan Peterman could have a bright future because when Kurt Warner was his age, he was bagging groceries, while Peterman is on an NFL roster.

  29. MortimerInMiami says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:03 am
    Championships with asterisk mean nothing, even if you have 6.

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    I agree. Good thing my team has 6 championships without asterisks.

    🙂

  30. “Not this year. His numbers were at the bottom of the pack”

    Did you even bother to look at the stats? He had over 4000 yards passing, 7th highest in the league, 24 TDs and 8 INTs

  31. I hope he retires now so that we don’t see it get as bad as Unitas and Peyton his last year, and it was pretty bad this year. Think about it. Belichick’s defense gave up 14 points at home where the opposing QB threw for 75 yards, and Brady and the offense still couldn’t manage to pull it off. I said this last year, Belichick getting a Super Bowl win out of Brady’s carcass this time last year was his greatest coaching job.

  32. Not this year. His numbers were at the bottom of the pack. Some of that is due to lack of weapons but he also just didn’t look right this year. Father time is undefeated.

    Yeah not really

    Passing yards 7th
    TD 13th
    Int only 8

    I don’t care about qb rating it’s an overrated stat.

    But yes, a lot had to do with a revolving door at WR , no TE
    And O line injuries.
    He should come back to NE for 1 year and they need to get Good WR like they tried to do with AB and a TE

  33. Don’t blame Brady for not wanting another season like this one. Unless they improve the team, he could easily decide to try his hand elsewhere. And there’s something to be said for winning without Belichick. Unless he does, he will always be in Bill’s shadow.

  34. savethebs says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:15 am
    dburr10085 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Reminder…. a diminished Brady is still better than most of the QB’s in the league. Not the best thrower – not the fastest runner – but the best QB – same as day one!
    ————–
    Not this year. His numbers were at the bottom of the pack. Some of that is due to lack of weapons but he also just didn’t look right this year. Father time is undefeated.

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    No he didn’t look right. I’d say his weapons were subpar in 2013 too and he did better back then. Way too pouty at times which Is unlike him and I didn’t care to see it to be honest.

  35. I’m going to say it — another year (or more) of Brady would be bad for the NFL. Pretty much all football fans outside of the general Boston area are *THRILLED* to not see the Patriots in the Super Bowl again this year. A team that becomes too dominant for too long makes fans less interested in watching.

  36. I think is Kraft removing himself from the situation. It’s on BB and I think BB tells Brady thanks for everything but we’re moving on. Unless, of course, BB doesn’t think Stidham is ready.

    There are clues within all of this like Brady’s fading play, his pouting all year, refusal to work with new or younger WRs as I watch other QBs have no issue with young early rd draft picks who run like 5 routes, where the QB just throws it up. Metcalf is a perfect example last night. Brady can’t just ask Harry to run a stutter route in single man and accurately have Harry run under it? Why?

    Also, Stisham was taking some of Brady’s reps

    Who would think the #1 D in the league, holding teams to 13 points or less all year, just needed a Brady led offense to help them out, and Brady would fail with a well playing OL and a top notch run game?

    Brady didn’t want to go back to being a game manager at age 42 due to ego. Yep.

    BB sees it and I think that’s it. Brady essentially sabotaged the season with pouting after they were forced to cut Brown.

    No way it makes sense to pay Brady 25 mil per as you re-tool with a big draft and get younger. No way. It goes against how BB has always operated.

    Fire McDaniels, pack his bags for him and drive him to Logan. He and Brady were subpar all year.

  37. The one thing that makes me think it is possible that Brady plays elsewhere is some peoples perception that his success was down to being with Belichick his entire career. If he goes elsewhere and is successful it kills that argument.

  38. grant35 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 7:15 am
    It would be awesome if he walked away & the last thing he’ll remember is the pick 6, at home, vs the heavy underdog Titans.

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    With 15 seconds from his own 1 yard line, Brady was still slinging it trying to win that game. That’s what winners will remember. Losers will remember that he threw a pick 6 because if they would prefer a legend like Brady throw it away to preserve his legacy. That’s not Brady. He gave Sanu a chance to make a play under dire circumstances. I would expect no less from the greatest winner there has ever been in the NFL.

  39. I’m a sentimentalist, especially after all the success we’ve enjoyed, for so, so long. You gotta get it figured out with Brady. Let the guy walk out on his own terms. I loved Joe Montana when I was a little kid, and it was sad as hell to see him in a KC uniform. I grew up and got my own Joe Montana for my home team, with even greater success, and I’d be sick to see him play elsewhere.

    I went to the Miami game two weeks ago, and look, I’ll be the first to tell you, this isn’t 2007 Tom Brady we’re looking at. But the #1 takeaway from watching the game in person is: These. WRs. STINK. Absolutely no separation for the majority of the game. Edelman is beat to hell. Sanu has been a letdown, but I’m pretty sure he’s still dealing with a high ankle sprain that he was never able to take a game off from that he suffered in like his second game here. Edelman said something curious on sports radio in an interview that made me wonder if N’Keal Harry is pouring himself into this the way he should as a pro. Jacobi Meyers is what he is. We all know how everything panned out with AB and Josh Gordon. Gronk boned them by not announcing his retirement sooner. Watson played pretty well Saturday night but he’s a thousand. Don’t get me started on LaCosse and Izzo. Add in the injuries on the offensive line, particularly David Andrews, and too many weak links in the chain affect everyone’s play, I wasn’t that consistently impressed with Shaq Mason and Marcus Cannon this year. Newhouse, I’m not even mad, he just isn’t that good, but he was horrendous filling in at LT most of the year. I think you still have a Top 10 QB in Brady if he has a healthy offensive line and actual NFL-caliber receivers and TEs, at least for next year. I can be as critical of Brady as anyone, but after watching that Miami game, I’m very sympathetic for Brady in terms of his supporting cast (Pick-six was his fault though).

  40. “The owner doesn’t convince the coach. He tells the coach. Even if it is Belichick. If Kraft wants him back and Brady wants back then he is back.”

    That’s a recipe for becoming another Cowboys team.

  41. If you want him to return, you commit to the offense the way Belichick did btw 2006 and 2007 when he upgraded Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney, and Troy Brown (a much better group by the way than this 2019 group) with Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and Dante Stallworth. The first step is having Belichick put this whole 100th Anniverary mularkey behind him and, for his part, Brady should commit to OTAs.

    This year is a joke. The leading receivers were Edelman (who played through injury), Phil Dorsett (who should be a #4 option), N. Harry (a rookie who spent the first half on injured reserve), and M. Sanu (who joined the team a few weeks ago and spent 2 weeks rehabbing an injury). They trial ballooned 3 marquee names who couldn’t stick due to physical (D. Thomas) or mental/legal (A. Brown, J. Gordon) limitations.

    They tried to replace Gronk with three practice squad caliber guys (Izzo, Gunner O., Lacosse) and a 16 year vet who came out of retirement (Watson). They wanted to target a couple other established pros, but these guys reconciled with their current teams.

    Then there is the kicking game.

    Finally it should not be underestimated that the man who coordinated that great postseason defense took the head coaching job in Miami and took a couple coaches with him. So the Patriots resorted to having Jerod Mayo and Steve Belichick calling plays.

    No one has repeated since the Patriots themselves in 2005, so this year was treated as a rebuilding year most likely with low pressure / expectations compared to other years.

    All the ingredients were in place for an anomalous year. The fact they started out 8-0 confused all that, but the essence of it all emerged and prevailed in the end.

  42. redlikethepig says:
    January 6, 2020 at 7:16 am
    I’d worry more about keeping Belichick after you forced Brady on him once already over Garappolo.

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    Does everyone read ESPN and think that what they report are facts? Have some critical thought. Nobody knows what happened between them. All we know is Brady stayed a Patriot and won a Super Bowl. Something an all time great like Marino couldn’t do in his entire career. It’s a big deal. So Kraft, Belichick and Brady made a good decision.

  43. Brady is not the problem with that offense. He may not be at his peak but unless they plan on drastically changing their offense, I don’t see better options out there.
    If he wants a huge final guaranteed payday, it might not be worth it for the Patriots. But the idea that they’ll be better off without him right now is absurd.

  44. darladoesmydictategood says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:03 am
    Hope and pray says Kraft? He better pray Brady returns. Even with Brady’s decline having begun, the Patriots won’t be much more than a 9-7 team at best without him.

    The best part of the coming fall from the lofty perch will be the pain it inflicts of Patriots fans. The team, the players and the organization are all great and the envy of most fan of other teams. The fans on the other hand are for more arrogant, ungracious and entitled those of any other team in any other sport. They make Yankee fans look like humble, well behaved people and that is not easy.

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    Keep thinking that.

    NE wins the division next year with Stidham. Stidham isn’t going to pout and be mentally checked out like Brady was.

    The team doesn’t revolve around Brady. This is what you have to realize. BB won’t ruin the plans to accomodate what Brady wants.

    He traded for Sanu, risked the Brown signing, all for Brady. What did Brady do? Pout and put some more, after skipping OTAs again.

    And, Stidham is drawing rave reviews in practice. The writing is on the wall.

    NE could have 22 million in cap space, another good draft and crop of talented, mostly red-shirted players from this year’s draft who barely played for a variety of reasons.

    People will be stunned when Brady retires and BB has another QB developed.

    Enjoy!

  45. Jon R says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:42 am
    I’m going to say it — another year (or more) of Brady would be bad for the NFL. Pretty much all football fans outside of the general Boston area are *THRILLED* to not see the Patriots in the Super Bowl again this year. A team that becomes too dominant for too long makes fans less interested in watching.

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    That’s not the case. Patriots games bring in the most money for the league. Not many people were watching the game solely because the Titans were in it Saturday night. Doesn’t matter if people want the Patriots to win or lose, they want to see it. The league needs dominant teams, and yes, they can’t win it every year to maintain viewership, but in the NFL that doesn’t happen. Even the Patriots with this great run missed the playoffs in 2 years, went one and done in 4 years and did not win a Super Bowl for 9 seasons straight. No danger of a dominant team reducing NFL viewership.

  46. Peyton Manning was able to walk away and win another Super Bowl. This won’t happen with Brady whose legacy was built by Belicheat. Brady can’t survive anywhere else. As for Krafty and his crafty comments, he’s offering Brady a backup job. Nothing more. He’s old and slow.

  47. bob3339 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:14 am
    TB12 isn’t going anywhere else, unless he hangs it up.

    The Pats need to add a TE, WR and O-Line help. Let McDaniels go somewhere else. This offensive play calling was horrible!

    32 12 Rate This

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    They do not need OL help other than possibly needing to replace Thuney (the best LG in the conference alongside Yanda).

    Andrews is likely back at Center (nice work by Karras), Wynn is the real deal and Mason/Cannon are fine, having helped them go to numerous SBs, wining 2 of them.

    The excuses are done. Over. Brady had all year with his buddy McDaniels to knock it off and they ruined the season over not having All Pro weaponry all over the field, which is ridiculous considering how good the D and STs were. All the short fields, the turnovers, etc. The opportunities were endless on offense and Brady refused to work.

  48. NO matter what happens with Brady and the Patriots all the haters doubters and excuse makers will have to watch NFL films glorify the Patriots dynasty and the careers of Brady and Belichick for generations. Happy viewing of NFL History. Also the Patriots are at the top with six SB titles and more AFC championships than Pittsburgh. Until someone wins seven SB they remain at top. Also their 19 year dynasty (and possibly counting_will never be matched in the future. 6 Titles 9 SB appearanaces 8 straight AFC championship games 30 post season wins. Beast winning percentage regular season and post season. Brady most wins by QB regular season and post season. Belichick and Brady 6 Sb titles which is also unmatched. Belichick 300 wins and counting. So you will all be hearing about the dynasty for generations. every good team will be measured against them. They are the best in NFL history.
    No team No coach No quarterback will be equal to them in history.

    So we are just fine up here in New England. NFL history says we are the best. Also the dynasty may still be alive. If Brady and Belichick are back they are only 2 skill players away from contending for a title. A receiver who can stretch the field and a dominant tight end. Maybe they draft the next Gronk or maybe they get the real Gronk back for a season or two. When Brady had weapons earlier in year with Brown and Gordon he looked like the same quarterback. Even with poor skill position players he won the division again made playoffs and finished 12-4.

    NO one can say with certainty the Dynasty is ended. Might see Brady and Gronk back or trade for a great receiver. If Brady is back and offensive roster improved they will be a contender again next year. No one knows either way. SO have your fun haters but it might be short lived. And the history the Patritos achieved will never go away. As much as you hate it they are greatest of all time.

  49. joetoronto says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:19 am
    groganfan says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:51 am
    No one seems to be giving Jarrett Stidham any value. In my view Stidham showed more promise when drafted than Brady showed at the same point. After one season observing the Patriot way, Stidham is ready for more than holding a clipboard. It’s not inconceivable to me that Belichick might even use both Brady and Stidham, starting Brady and bringing in Stidham only when Brady is missing his groove. There would be the interesting chance for both to prove they can put the team first and share leadership. Brady might be glad to find he can extend his career significantly by morphing into a present-day George Blanda.

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    This is extremely unrealistic. Belichick is not going to use two QBs that way, and Brady isn’t going to sign up to get the hook for an unproven player any time he’s struggling in the first half.

    And even if Stidham is better than Brady now than Brady was at this point in his career (which, what? what is that statement based on?) Brady is an absolute anomaly. His career trajectory has no bearing on what Stidham is capable of. That’s like saying Nathan Peterman could have a bright future because when Kurt Warner was his age, he was bagging groceries, while Peterman is on an NFL roster.

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    All true, but Stidham is an unknown commodity. We didn’t see what Jimmy G was until he started a few games, and it turned out he was pretty good. Not saying Stidham will be that good at all, but we don’t know what Belichick and the Patriots think of Stidham yet. Don’t know if they see him as the future starter of the team or not. I think based on history if Brady wasn’t available, they would give him a shot and continue to draft QBs in the mean time as opposed to bringing in a veteran to start.

  50. Walter Stewart says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:43 am
    Joe, I am 89 and 48-49 years ago was a long time !!!

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    Haha I only mean that there are a lot of people around today who are old enough to have watched Unitas play. It’s not like someone is claiming to have watched Babe Ruth’s last season with the Boston Braves.

  51. johnodocks says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:47 am
    “The owner doesn’t convince the coach. He tells the coach. Even if it is Belichick. If Kraft wants him back and Brady wants back then he is back.”

    That’s a recipe for becoming another Cowboys team.

    1 0 Thank You

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    Which is why it won’t happen.

    The fact is, all great athletes sometimes need to be told to hang it up. It’s awkward, uncomfortable, etc, but BB will not ruin the team’s future over the wrong decision here.

  52. joetoronto says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:11 am
    The owner doesn’t convince the coach. He tells the coach. Even if it is Belichick. If Kraft wants him back and Brady wants back then he is back.

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    I mean that’s technically true. But if Belichick is interested in continuing coaching, I’m guessing Kraft isn’t looking to risk 5-10 more years of a legendary coach for 1-2 more years of a declining QB.

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    That all assumes that Belichick really wanted to move on from Brady. There’s no proof that is the case, and even if it was once true, I am sure Belichick appreciates that they won another Super Bowl with Brady.

  53. savethebs says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:15 am
    dburr10085 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Reminder…. a diminished Brady is still better than most of the QB’s in the league. Not the best thrower – not the fastest runner – but the best QB – same as day one!
    ————–
    Not this year. His numbers were at the bottom of the pack. Some of that is due to lack of weapons but he also just didn’t look right this year. Father time is undefeated.

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    Brady started 17 games at 42 and got his team to 12-4 and a playoff game. Lots of other teams which they had that. It was a pretty good year for Brady. Just not the level of success everyone has become accustomed to.

  54. Oh, how I’ve dreamed of this day. Watching Brady decline, seeing him lose in the 1st round to a 6 seed, hearing all of the hand-wringing in NE about whether he should hang on there or go elsewhere…it’s great. I don’t think anyone outside of Bills fandom can understand the 2 decades of purgatory that guy put us through – not even Jets or Phins fans, whose teams at least managed a split w/ the Pats sporadically.

    All that said, the comments about the pick 6, cheating, or anything tarnishing his legacy are silly. TB is the terminator – I’ve never seen a player like him, in any sport. Jordan is the closest. With 9 seconds left in that game on Saturday, I was still convinced he was going to score & tie that game. No one will ever match what he has accomplished.

    I can’t believe that there are some Pats fans who think Stidham can step in and replace him, or that it’s a better option for the team. It’s much more likely that no one will know who Stidham is in 5 years.

  55. Andrews is likely back at Center
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    Hope so but not sure if I’d say likely. His condition has ended careers.

  56. billsrthefuture says:
    January 6, 2020 at 10:17 am
    Oh, how I’ve dreamed of this day. Watching Brady decline, seeing him lose in the 1st round to a 6 seed, hearing all of the hand-wringing in NE about whether he should hang on there or go elsewhere…it’s great. I don’t think anyone outside of Bills fandom can understand the 2 decades of purgatory that guy put us through – not even Jets or Phins fans, whose teams at least managed a split w/ the Pats sporadically.

    All that said, the comments about the pick 6, cheating, or anything tarnishing his legacy are silly. TB is the terminator – I’ve never seen a player like him, in any sport. Jordan is the closest. With 9 seconds left in that game on Saturday, I was still convinced he was going to score & tie that game. No one will ever match what he has accomplished.

    I can’t believe that there are some Pats fans who think Stidham can step in and replace him, or that it’s a better option for the team. It’s much more likely that no one will know who Stidham is in 5 years.

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    You’re thinking about the Brady from years ago. Keep in mind, Brady was mediocre or at time BAD (in title games in 2007 and 2011) where the D had to be the ones to win the games.

    BB drafted JimmyG, Brady knew BB was serious about him being replsced, and all of a sudden Brady has a fire lit under him.

    The fire is gone. He mentally checked out from OTAs the last 2 years and it’s not a coincidence that this ties into his poor start last year as well, and only scoring 13 points in the SB.

    Keep in mind, SD’s D played zone, so everyone knew he’d shred it. KCs D stinks, so there you go there.

    Do the math.

    When you play man on Brady, and honestly, this “separation” business is eerily timed well with DBs manhandling NE receivers, as well. Sanu gets to NE and can’t get “separation” all of a sudden? Laughable.

    That’s a whole other story, but instesd of Brady throwing 40 times in a close game, he should have been throwing 30 with the good run game NE was having.

    And don’t get me going on McDaniels’s horrendous playcalling overall. Unimaginative, repetitive and subbing the RBs on and off based on playcall, are the flaws.

    Unreal stupidity from McDaniels.

  57. I don’t like the Patriots and I am tired of them like a lot of NFL fans. However, that said I think it is outright silly the comments from some of these Patriot fans.

    When Elway retired from the Broncos after 98, Bronco fans thought the team would continue to churn on with Griese at QB. That didn’t happen.

    When Manning retired after SB50, Bronco fans thought he was holding the team back and that they would actually be better without him. That didn’t happen.

    Some of these comments from Patriot fans are right in the same place where those Bronco fans were. 5 seasons after SB50 the Broncos are still trying to climb back to respectability.

    Patriot fans have been spoiled by arguably the best coach and QB the league has ever seen. To think you can replace either of those pieces and just continue on with the domination is foolish thinking in my views.

  58. bullcharger says:
    January 6, 2020 at 10:15 am
    savethebs says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:15 am
    dburr10085 says:
    January 6, 2020 at 8:08 am
    Reminder…. a diminished Brady is still better than most of the QB’s in the league. Not the best thrower – not the fastest runner – but the best QB – same as day one!
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    Not this year. His numbers were at the bottom of the pack. Some of that is due to lack of weapons but he also just didn’t look right this year. Father time is undefeated.

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    Brady started 17 games at 42 and got his team to 12-4 and a playoff game. Lots of other teams which they had that. It was a pretty good year for Brady. Just not the level of success everyone has become accustomed to.

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    BALONEy.

    This is so disrespectful to the D and STs. The D and STs won 10 games. The O won 2 (vs Pitt and @ Miami).

    Do you people even watch the games?

    It’s an offensive league! Almost every QB throws for approx 300 yds weekly. Check the box scores for crying out loud. Brady can barely get past 200, if that.

  59. bullcharger says:
    January 6, 2020 at 10:13 am
    joetoronto says:
    January 6, 2020 at 9:11 am
    The owner doesn’t convince the coach. He tells the coach. Even if it is Belichick. If Kraft wants him back and Brady wants back then he is back.

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    I mean that’s technically true. But if Belichick is interested in continuing coaching, I’m guessing Kraft isn’t looking to risk 5-10 more years of a legendary coach for 1-2 more years of a declining QB.

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    That all assumes that Belichick really wanted to move on from Brady. There’s no proof that is the case, and even if it was once true, I am sure Belichick appreciates that they won another Super Bowl with Brady.

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    There is a TON of proof if you look for it.

  60. Stay or go, the Dynasty is over. Awesome run, with asterisks for cheating for sure.
    Brady can play, but a shell of himself. Should he wear the Johnny Unitas high tops bumbling around in a Charger uniform? Most likely he stays and does the same in New England. Telling will be if the troll Josh McDaniels takes a leap off the cliff again for a head coaching job.

  61. Gronk’s not coming back.
    He’s happy with his money, no pain and shilling his happy oil.

  62. If Brady stays, it will be another wasted year of great defense and special teams. This roster was good enough to win a SB instead of going one and done in the playoffs. Let’s see if Stidham is the future.

  63. Brady is gone. Somewhere out West for sure. Imagine the turn around of hatred if he goes to the Raiders?!

    The Pats have no offensive threats other than Edelman. They totally mismanaged this year’s roster. The SQUANDERED the chance for a 7th ring. If I’m right, and Brady does leave, it will be 2021 or 2022 before they could become a true threat again.

  64. I haven’t been able to sleep because I feel so bad for Brady. I may never get over it.

  65. savethebs says:

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    Not this year. His numbers were at the bottom of the pack. Some of that is due to lack of weapons but he also just didn’t look right this year. Father time is undefeated.

    24 tds 8 ints was bottom of the pack? You can tell that alot of people talk from wishful thinking rather than reality. He had top 15 QB numbers last season with bottom 5 offensive talent.

  66. RKK owns the team, he doesn’t need to convince BB of anything. He says and everyone below him does. That’s how a business works. And if he wants to be sure Brady comes back, open up the wallet and get some competent wide receivers.

  67. Maybe Brady can play until he’s so old that his offensive linemen have to carry him to the line of scrimmage.

    He can pretend like he’s Byron Leftwich playing against Akron.

  68. My concern is getting free agents to buy in that Brady can win the big one again. Last year, there were quite a few players that chose to go elsewhere rather than sign with New England. They need to sign a big fish early in the free agent process to send a message to the rest of the players that they are going all in and everyone believes Tom can still get it done.

  69. How’s it feel to hope, Bob? You let BB create and old offensively weaponless roster and now Brady is going somewhere where he will be appreciated.

  70. Brady could go play for the ‘Skins.
    Daniel Snyder loves to throw money towards used up players.
    Plus, Brady can chum around with his buddy Trump.

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