Report: Joe Judge gets five-year contract, same as Pat Shurmur

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New Giants head coach Joe Judge is getting a contract that supposedly offers him job security, but in reality offers him no more security than his just-fired predecessor.

The Giants gave Judge a five-year contract, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports, and don’t want any more two-and-dones.

But Schefter also reported two years ago that the Giants had given Pat Shurmur a five-year contract, which was seen as a strategic move to give the franchise some long-term stability. Schefter suggested then that any young quarterback the Giants acquired would know he’s playing in Shurmur’s offense for the long run.

It didn’t work out that way. Shurmur was a two-and-done, just like his predecessor Ben McAdoo was a two-and-done, and the Giants are once again trying to rebuild with a new coach.

The reality, for Joe Judge or any other NFL head coach, is that the number of years on his contract won’t determine how long he lasts. What will determine how long a coach lasts is whether he succeeds. If Judge gets results as the Giants’ head coach, he’ll stick around well past the contract he signed this week. If he doesn’t, he could be gone just as quickly as McAdoo and Shurmur, and the Giants could find themselves buying out yet another coach’s contract.

42 responses to “Report: Joe Judge gets five-year contract, same as Pat Shurmur

  1. Gettleman & Judge will be gone after 2 years…along with the Computer Guys & software that Gettleman brought in.

  2. The reality, for Joe Judge or any other NFL head coach, is that the number of years on his contract won’t determine how long he lasts.

    Not true, all you have to do is look at Doug Marone and the Jags…

  3. Giants crying about Carolina’s coach contract should really make Judge feel like wow did you really want me

  4. Why, given their abysmal record at hiring and then quickly firing head coaches, would the Giants (once again) give a guy a 5-year contract that will have to be bought out if he doesn’t succeed? Does that make any sense to you–or do the Giants just like buying out contracts if/when the coach fails?

  5. Truth be told, I was wrong about McAdoo and Shurmur and thought they’d be decent in NY so my opinion isn’t too credible, but I was impressed with Judge’s press conference. He sounded very articulate and knowledgeable.

    It was obvious Daniel Jones bought Gettleman another year so I’d like to feel confident Dave did his homework since his neck is on the line if this hire doesn’t pan out.

  6. This is a pattern in the NFL, these new coaches can’t get a complete culture change and playbook done in one or 2 seasons. It’s just not possible anymore with free agency and the limited days you are allowed to practice and have training camp.
    These players stick around for a season or w and then they are gone.
    It takes 4 or 5 seasons to change a culture completely in today’s game.
    You can have a stud DL or OL and one year later half of them gone via free agency so now you are back to square one.
    I know it is a win now business but the odds of that happening are slim and rare.
    That is why I am happy with Miami. They all but came out publicly and said they were building from ground up and it was going to take several seasons. Along that they got rid of high priced players that would be leaving for free Agency anyway so they ended up getting draft value for them.
    So now you build your stars through the draft and they all have the same basic contract length so the team stays together.
    Growing pains but they have completely changed the culture in Miami and got rid of anyone that was not team first mentality.

  7. Different feeling about this coach. Really hoping things go well. It’s known John Mara and Belichick are somewhat close. The Giants were the only team to interview Judge. I’m probably looking to much into it but it feels like Belichick kind of said “this guy is special. give him a shot.” He interviewed great, was good in the presser, I’m really hoping this one works out.

  8. Good for Judge that he got 5 years he will need it. The whole organization will be blown up again in two years, Outside of RB, the Giants need help at every position.

  9. He spent one year coaching LB’s at the DIII level. 3 years as a ST ASSISTANT at Bama under Saban before moving up to Foxboro to be the ST ASSISTANT for two years. He got promoted to ST COACH for the past 4 years. He added WR’s coach to his responsibilities this past season.

    That looks like it’s AT LEAST a decade short on experience and several position coaching/coordinating experience. I wish him well but it looks very questionable.

  10. This guy just needs to break even at this point. Trade down, get a good, young, O-line. Get some young cornerbacks, get a decent veteran pass rusher and some young bucks. Rebuild and make incremental gains.

  11. So far Bill O’Brien is the closest thing to a success from the Belicheck coaching tree. Judge will not change that.

    Before you try, Vrabel was never a coach under BB.

  12. Having trouble with the math and timing. Do the Giants currently have two or three coaches on their payroll since both of Judges predecessors were relieved well short of their contractual agreements?

  13. He sounds knowledgeable, appears to be hard working, He also sounded severe, which works for BB, but at the same time has produced disastrous results for Patricia.

  14. So the Giants are going to be paying THREE head coaches in 2020?! If that isn’t an indictment of management, I don’t know what is….

  15. @factschecker… special teams coordinators, as Judge noted in the presser, have to know the whole roster. There will be times a starter has to play specials due to injury or situation. When Parcells coached the Giants, there was a regular place-kicking squad, but there was also a “gotta have this kick” squad which included Lawrence Taylor, Harry Carson, Carl Banks, and George Martin as blockers along with the regular starting offensive line. Two HOF linebackers, a third LB who was a HOF semi-finalist this year, and the starting DE whose hands were so good, he was regularly used as a third TE. The special teams coach has to know where to put those guys – who are all out of normal position – so that the kick isn’t blocked by the opponent.

  16. I’m not sure why the Giants didn’t hire a QB heavy coach, I know Shurmur was a QB coach for the Eagles but that was under the guidance of Andy Reid, who might be one of the best QB coaches of all time. I would have thought the team would be focused on the development of Daniels, but Judge has no QB development in his background . . . none whatsoever that I can see. In my opinion this is akin to the Jets hiring of Gase, who was the QB coach for Peyton Manning in Denver . . . well with Peyton Manning or Tom Brady do you really have a QB coach or are they taking lessons from perhaps two of the smartest QBs to have ever played the game? And in regard to Gase look at what he did with Tannehill, the QB regressed under Gase, but is flourishing with the Titans this year . . . if that isn’t evidence that the wrong coach can mis-groom a young QB I don’t know what is. I think the Jets have set back Sam Darnold’s development at least two years and now the Giants are doing the same thing with Daniels . . . it is so critical to hire a head coach that can groom a young QB if a team has a young QB. If you have a veteran, like Pittsburgh and Rothlesberger, then it doesn’t really matter but these teams invest so much draft capital and money into the QB position and then hire a defunct head coach (Gase) or a Special Team coach (Judge) when the critical pathway to success is developing the QB over the next two years and not the win-loss record.

  17. whats really the difference between a 5 and 7 yr contract if you let the guy go after 2? you don’t have to give a guaranteed 7yrs.

  18. factschecker says:
    January 10, 2020 at 10:08 am
    He spent one year coaching LB’s at the DIII level. 3 years as a ST ASSISTANT at Bama under Saban before moving up to Foxboro to be the ST ASSISTANT for two years. He got promoted to ST COACH for the past 4 years. He added WR’s coach to his responsibilities this past season.

    That looks like it’s AT LEAST a decade short on experience and several position coaching/coordinating experience. I wish him well but it looks very questionable.

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    Meanwhile, numerous old and recycled, mediocre .500 coaches keep getting 2nd and 3rd chances or wonder why they can’t get a 4th.

    You’re really looking for a leader in this kind of a role. Maybe Judge has those kinds of qualities, and I would say BB reinforcing that he does, is enough for the Giants.

  19. Hope it works out. He’ll need to bring veterans as assistants to help him and hes gonna need alot of help.

  20. Lets not forget – the security is getting paid in the contract – NOT working the term of the contract.

    Pat Shurmur got paid the 5 years of security he was seeking….he just doesn’t have to work 5 years to get it.

  21. Couldn’t happen to a better franchise. Mara is a snake. It brings me joy that he is currently paying 3 head coaches.

  22. I like the guy. We will see who he picks for his staff and we roll. We do not have all the players to compete, so its a build..again. What I want to see is a difference on the field.

  23. Coaching is about leadership and getting guys to buy in. It’s not about being a QB guy or an offensive guy. You think if Kyle Shanahan was just the OC in San Fran, the offense would look different? He is obviously a great leader as well. You need leaders, not the best “position” skilled guy running the team.

  24. Giants gave him five years because no coach is probably going to sign for anything less than that. Simply buisness.

  25. I see this hire as the Mara’s trying to replicate Baltimore’s Harbaugh hire. Harbaugh was also a Special Teams coach that flew under the radar and many people questioned the hire. “You got the wrong Harbaugh!!!” was the common sentiment in NFL circles. Hopefully the Judge era will be as successful for the G-Men.

  26. Joe is an excellent hire. Trust me, I know. Why would you doubt me? I’m the expert authority on these things.

  27. The other teams in the division have to love this turn over, oh wait the Redskins and Cowboys both just got new coaches as well. Looks like Philadelphia is the only team that is stable. This should give them a big advantage in the division for a while.

  28. In the past few years the Giants have been destroyed by Managements mistakes !!!

    So to improve upon this year Mara hires another IN GROWN TOE NAIL for a wounded foot ?! AMAZING ?!

    AAnother project that wont last so looong as fans will be seek Gettlemens , Maras and the new Coaches heads Especailly if the O-line and D arent vastly improved ! The Knicks of Football !!!

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