Bruce Arians: Perception Tom Brady can’t throw deep is wrong

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In his introductory press conference on Tuesday, Buccaneers quarterback Tom Brady said that he thinks head coach Bruce Arians’ offense is great for quarterbacks and said he’ll be “throwing the ball to the guy who’s open” when asked about Arians-led offenses throwing a lot of deep balls.

Some have questioned Brady’s ability to consistently deliver such passes, but Arians isn’t among them. He said on Wednesday that “the perception is just wrong” and that Brady was “outstanding” in that area. According to ESPN, Brady completed 43 percent of his passes that went traveled more than 20 yards in the air.

That was good for seventh-best in the league, so it seems the team won’t be removing any plays from the playbook. Arians also highlighted that there’s other positives to having a quarterback with Brady’s philosophy about finding the open man.

“We do have reads that start deep and come in short, but I’ve had a couple quarterbacks that just keep looking deep — they won’t throw the check-down,” Arians said, via Jenna Laine of ESPN.com. “Tom Moore has the best saying in the world: ‘You don’t go broke putting money in the bank. Take the damn check-down.’ “We don’t have to teach Tom that. But I think the freedom of looking downfield on certain routes and in certain situations, when the matchup’s perfect — take it, don’t be afraid to take it — some quarterbacks are afraid to take it. I’m not looking for a ‘checkdown Charlie’ quarterback.”

Jameis Winston led the league in throws of at least 20 yards last season, but he also led the league in interceptions. If the latter number falls along with the former, it will likely suit Arians and the Bucs just fine.

46 responses to “Bruce Arians: Perception Tom Brady can’t throw deep is wrong

  1. I believe the hype… I think Brady is gonna go off like Manning did his first year in Denver.

  2. Bruce Arians: “That deep two yard throw and spiral are nasty! I saw it myself in practice!”

  3. The season hasn’t even started yet and I’m already getting tired of hearing about Bruce Arians and the Tampa Buccaneer hype train

  4. What else is he going to say? He’s not going to say he can’t throw beyond 15 yards even if that is indeed the case. I’m not saying it is…but he wouldn’t state that if true.

  5. 20 yards isn’t exactly deep. Brady has great touch with the football, but the longer the pass, the more limited he his. You can see that with your own eyes.
    Please, let’s stop pacifying Brady. You will see, his sporadic play wasn’t due to the lack of weaponry in NE last year.

  6. He can probably still throw, but he definitely can’t run. I can’t wait to watch this over hyped Tom Brady trade non-sense blow up in Arians face and all the Tampa Trash fans!

  7. Of course he can, and those Saints/Bucs games will be must-watch. The only question is can he get a ring without Bill.

  8. Can he throw deep accurately and with a ball that meets the nfl rules on ball psi? Brady knows they broke plenty of rules in New England and he wants to see If he can win a sb playing by the same rules as everyone else. The answer is no and he will fall flat on his face.

  9. The bigger question is whether the “no risk it no biscuit” offense will land the 43 y.o. QB in the ER and bring a permanent end to his career.

  10. so TB was bidding against themselves !! no other team wanted the broken down old QB . yet some places that will remain nameless had TB as the second best FA out on the open market.

  11. Brady mainly ain’t thrown deep much as except for Moss he’s hardly ever had a deep-threat.

  12. I respect Bruce but he hasn’t watched Tom Brady as intently as I have the last 2 decades, as a Dolphins fan.

    I was hoping like hell he stayed in New England.

    He looked like papa doc in 8 mile, in the last rap battle against b-rabbit. You just knew he had nothing.

  13. From BB to Bruce Arians…Wow Tom is in for a treat! Thats like going from Bruce Dern to Ward Cleaver as a coach. Something special brewing in the Bay!

  14. But how would he know?
    I mean, all he has to go on is film from last season. He needs to see him in person and work him out personally. Cause, you know…due diligence.

  15. Gonna call bs on that. His arm was never great, and it has deteriorated. I think he will struggle in the second half of the season. That has been the pattern of older players. They cannot handle the rigor of a full season. Daddy Time always wins.

  16. He doesn’t throw deep because of time. He has to throw it away super fast as he can’t move out of his own way, let alone a rush!

  17. How does Arians know that unless he seen Brady throw in person as of lately. If that’s the case I guess the broke the nfl rules. Brady clearly is a cheater but never thought that of Arians. Just goes to show you some people should of been kicked out the league because they can influence others to break the rules.

  18. Not even a TB fan… but the narrative he is “done” is ridiculous. 4,000 yards, 24TD/8INT last year with a crap offense and no wideouts. If Drew Lock puts up those kind of numbers for my Broncos this year… I will be over the moon.

  19. Please take that stupid cap of Bruce. It’s enough that we have to listen to the self proclaimed maven of football, but does he also need to have a so called signature fashion look?

  20. Gotta love all of these GMs on here… So surprised none of them have a single Superbowl ring you’d think with all of this knowledge one of them would have at least one…Oh well

  21. vancouversportsbro:

    I hope you are right. Brady won ALL SB when he played dink n dunk, and lost all 3 when he didn’t.

    Here is math question :

    On 2nd and 9, you can either try throwing 10+ yards twice with only 30% completion rate, or dink n dunk twice with 70% completion rate.

    Do you know when one gives you better chance getting first down?

    Hard to believe that it is the throws with 30% completion rate.

  22. Brady is most effective in short to intermediate throws, easily one of the most accurate still in that range – regardless of what people think he can or cant do with long throws.

    It’ll be a damn shame if Arians (and his Arizona sized ego) tries to change Brady’s stripes into areas where he isn’t his MOST EFFECTIVE. He’s 43 years old and a virtual statue (aka a sitting duck) on the field, he’ll be turtling alot more waiting for deep patterns to open up.

    Something tells me Arians will in fact try to change him an that will end in disaster and likely another torn knee ligament which will effectively end Brady’s career.
    Grass isn’t always greener, etc etc.
    Hopefully, Arians will play it smart and put Brady in the best position to succeed and significantly alter his offense to suit Brady’s strengths, ya know, like a good coach would do

  23. Actually throwing deep is only half the question. What may be more of a concern than Brady’s arm strength or accuracy is the time that would be spend waiting in the pocket and exposing himself to a hit. The Bucs’ o-line is not the worst out there by any means, but that is a lot of pressure to put on your linemen to block for that long, and your QB WILL take more hits.

    The reason Brady hasn’t been sacked much is more because of the play design in New England and his quick release than it is because of their linemen.new England certainly does not have a bad offensive line either, but they were aided by the fact that Brady released the ball so quickly and the play design allowed for receivers to be open and available quickly. Brady will be throwing deep much more in Tampa than in New England (his best receiver excels in this area, and you have to play to your strengths), but I fully expect Tampa to offer significant adjustments in its offense to allow Brady quick releases. “Can” throw deep a lot and “prefer” to throw deep a lot are two very things.

  24. It will be hard for Tom to throw deep when he’s looking out the ear hole of his helmet most of the year. He’s going to get killed behind that line.

  25. Tom’s advantage is he pretty much knows who’s going to be open before the snap. And with Brady’s accuracy, the receiver doesn’t even have to be wide open. Mike Evans should catch 140 passes if he stays healthy. He doesn’t really need much separation anyway.

  26. It’s not that he can’t throw them. It’s that it was never his forte in NE. Good Luck in your new career TB12.

  27. Arians has always coached up QBs. The league should be afraid of the Arians/Brady combo. Plus, Brady is motivated not to fail. I don’t care what you say, Tom has been to more Super Bowls then anyone else because he prepares and stays in shape. He will be fine this year. If Brady does well in Tampa, that is an amazing football story. I’d like to see that.

  28. I’m no Brady fan but I don’t see the “he can’t throw deep” stuff. He can make all the throws.

    Problem is that he is about as mobile as the Statue of Liberty.

  29. Brady is not gonna have the line, or the refs, protecting & holding for him, like in NE. It gonna be dink & dunk in Tampa b/c you need 2-3 sec in the pocket to throw deep. The first time Brady gets mashed on a Safety blitz, Buc fans will be holding their breath til he gets up.

  30. The deeper the throw the longer you have to stand in the pocket. TB is a great QB but if he starts taking hits he will consistently take the check down. Won’t even look deep. You also have to have concern about his elbow that bothered him all of last year. At some point in life everyone’s body breaks down, especially the body of an NFL QB.

  31. I have probably seen nearly every pass he has thrown in his career and last season he threw downfield as much as he had in quite awhile.

    It was Bill O’Brien, who gave Brady the rep as the dink and dunk passer. All O’Brien wanted to do was throw the bubble screens. He always touted it as the extension of the running game and controlling the clock.

    O’Brien helped run Randy Moss out of New England, by freezing him out of the offense. What he’s doing now, in Houston, is a movie I have seen before

  32. Brady is not gonna have the line, or the refs, protecting & holding for him, like in NE. It gonna be dink & dunk in Tampa b/c you need 2-3 sec in the pocket to throw deep. The first time Brady gets mashed on a Safety blitz, Buc fans will be holding their breath til he gets up.

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    I agree, he does need protection and time (just like every QB in the league by the way).

    I can say this though: Brady always gets up. I’ve never so much as seen him limp. Even if he was hurt he’d never show it for effect (Big Ben style) and he wouldn’t miss time. He knows how to take a hit when he has to. A very underrated career attributes he has.

    If Tampa Bay was wise, they’d have massive input from Brady on what will work, keep him upright, and take smart deep shots when they feel they can. You might see shades of Randy Moss production from Evans and/or Godwin if Brady’s elbow injury is gone from last year.

  33. PAUL SOUSA says:
    March 26, 2020 at 8:48 am
    I have probably seen nearly every pass he has thrown in his career and last season he threw downfield as much as he had in quite awhile.

    It was Bill O’Brien, who gave Brady the rep as the dink and dunk passer. All O’Brien wanted to do was throw the bubble screens. He always touted it as the extension of the running game and controlling the clock.

    O’Brien helped run Randy Moss out of New England, by freezing him out of the offense. What he’s doing now, in Houston, is a movie I have seen before

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    This is false.

    Brady was AWFUL in the first 4 games of 2010 (minus the opener vs Cincy where they gameplanned for a while as they always do for the openers). BB dealt MOss and then Brady was great with an MVP season because Moss wasn’t a Binky anymore lobbying for pass attempts to get stats and a new contract before not having ANY MONEY into the 2011 Lockout.

    Moss was dealt, got no new deal and then retired.

    BB was right again, Brady was wrong.

    Remember? Week 4 vs Miami, NE’s STs and D won the game down there. The offense sucked, OB and Moss had their blow up at halftime, Chung had a pick 6 and Brandon TAte ran back a TD out of halftime.

    Translation: The D and STs covering for a crap Brady, didn’t happen a ton, but there were pockets thrpugh the last 20 years, mainly in the 2007 postseason, 2009 (Brady was expectedly rusty and BB was transitioning the team anyway), Weeks 1-4 in 2010 and the postseason loss vs the Jets, all of 2011, 2012, etc, and then most all of 2018 and certainly this past year which was an abomination in the intangible, leadership and game management departments. I, for one, as a diehard for 38 years ans season tickets in my family since ’78, never want to see that from ANY QB on my team ever again.

  34. rowdymon says:
    March 26, 2020 at 3:37 am
    Arians has always coached up QBs. The league should be afraid of the Arians/Brady combo. Plus, Brady is motivated not to fail. I don’t care what you say, Tom has been to more Super Bowls then anyone else because he prepares and stays in shape. He will be fine this year. If Brady does well in Tampa, that is an amazing football story. I’d like to see that.

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    Meanwhile, he got Luck killed, Ben killed and Palmer had to retire with Arians being unemployed.

    You people let self promoters speak for you and hate facts and reality.

    Go look at how many sacks those QBs took on under Ben and Luck in particular and then go ask why Carson Palmer felt a need to retire.

    Think early 2017 when Brady was staring down Cooks early in the year and BB realized Cooks wasn’t a fit for Brady long term, so he dealt him off after the season raiding the Rams for a 1st rd pick and about 14 mil in savings.

  35. charliecharger says:
    March 25, 2020 at 10:31 pm
    Tom’s advantage is he pretty much knows who’s going to be open before the snap. And with Brady’s accuracy, the receiver doesn’t even have to be wide open. Mike Evans should catch 140 passes if he stays healthy. He doesn’t really need much separation anyway.

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    The problem is, those WRs aren’t the brightest bulbs in the shed and aren’t cerebral players like Brady is.

    This is why Brady has fired 5 billion WRs that worked just fine elsewhere, out of NE.

    He’s demanding, a perfectionist, and just one wrong move to make him look bad, and you’re squeezed from that Circle of Trust.

    He’s going to want them to be like Edelman and they aren’t.

    And, Ds who know Brady’s weaknesses like being baited because of the ego, never play zone except as a one-off for a mixed up look, and to eliminate the #1 WR in doubles, what you just said is likely not going to happen.

  36. grant35 says:
    March 26, 2020 at 6:31 am
    Brady is not gonna have the line, or the refs, protecting & holding for him, like in NE. It gonna be dink & dunk in Tampa b/c you need 2-3 sec in the pocket to throw deep. The first time Brady gets mashed on a Safety blitz, Buc fans will be holding their breath til he gets up.

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    The OL doesn’t hold for 2 reasons:

    1. The ball is out so fast, you don’t need to even attempt to hold.
    2. Dante Scarnecchia, the greatest OL coach the NFL has ever seen.

  37. ajsjr40 says:
    March 26, 2020 at 8:00 am
    The deeper the throw the longer you have to stand in the pocket. TB is a great QB but if he starts taking hits he will consistently take the check down. Won’t even look deep. You also have to have concern about his elbow that bothered him all of last year. At some point in life everyone’s body breaks down, especially the body of an NFL QB.

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    ^DIng, ding, ding!

    Winner.

    It’s bracket Evans with your 2nd best, and preferably fastest CB underneath and put the most cerebral Safety (not necessarily your fastest, like Duron Harmon) over the top.

    Put your best CB on Godwin.

    Play man.

    Contain/remove the run game which is easy to do with that crappy OL and no RBs to speak of in TB and then just tell your LBs or your other Safety (FS like a McCourty) to be ready for the checkdown into the flat. Slap your Rover (Chung/Adrian Phillips) on Howard, and it’s the ball game. Game over.

    It won’t work. Brady’s ego is so far gone, he just thinks it will.

    You’d think this Mike Evans guy or Godwin were like Randy Moss and Jerry Rice in their primes. It’s laughable.

  38. Pats fan here. Last year when TB had 3 or 4 secs time and a deep throw was brewing, he either overthrew it or under threw it. I was thinking either he is hurt or his arm is acting inconsistent or he was on some steroidal shot in his arm thst he couldn’t get a good feel for high effort throws. He was absolute bullet for short yardage plays though. Jus my observation. Wishing TB all the best though! Go Pats 😉

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