With Clowney still unsigned, some wonder if he’ll wait until training camp

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After almost all of the top free agents across the NFL agreed to contracts within the first few days of free agency, Jadeveon Clowney remains unsigned, and no one seems to know what his future holds.

Clowney and the Seahawks have expressed some mutual interest in staying together in Seattle, but that mutual interest hasn’t led to a deal, and Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times writes that some wonder if Clowney could wait until training camp to find his new team.

Clowney waited until even later than training camp last year, when he didn’t sign the franchise tag the Texans put on him and was eventually traded to the Seahawks just before the start of the regular season. Clowney may figure he showed last year that he can miss a full offseason and still get to work when the time comes, and can do it again this year.

Complicating matters for Clowney is that he’s coming off surgery for a core muscle injury, and teams will want a thorough physical before signing him. Those physicals are more difficult to arrange because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

It appears that Clowney wants a contract that would pay him like the NFL’s truly elite pass rusher, and that he hasn’t received that kind of offer yet. He seems to be willing to wait for the contract he wants, and that wait could last months.

24 responses to “With Clowney still unsigned, some wonder if he’ll wait until training camp

  1. I know of a contract worth $30M that just freed up in Baltimore.

    Clowney & Judon would make one heck of a duo.

  2. Probably wants a big contract, but even if he doesn’t, the lack of an ability to do a physical with the team’s doctors means any deal is a nonstarter at any price.

    Unfortunately for Clowney he does not have a great injury history and he just had surgery some months ago. No team would sign him to any deal for any significant amount of money without having that done first.

  3. “pay him like the NFL’s truly elite pass rusher”

    Clowney had 3 sacks last year. He goes away for long stretches and makes a few plays here and there. He isn’t a elite pass rusher. This is why he isn’t going to get elite pass rusher money. Dante Fowler is closer to elite than Clowney and that is why the Falcons are paying Fowler 16 mill a year. I wouldn’t pay Clowney half that.

  4. “Clowney may figure he showed last year that he can miss a full offseason and still get to work when the time comes, and can do it again this year.”
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    No, Clowney showed last year that he DISAPPEARS in most games, just like he did playing in Houston. THAT’S WHY O’BRIEN DUMPED HIM AND NOT WORTH $20M/YR. Didn’t stop you guys from constantly criticizing the trade though.

    Clowney show flashes of greatness in one game and then nothing for like a 3-game stretch. Infuriating. Like someone pointed out – 3 sacks for all that talent. Just wasted.

  5. One thing is for sure. If he doesn’t miss another training camp he’ll miss many practices. I don’t think he’s ever attended a full training camp without missing any time for “injuries” or contract issues. He always times that out pretty well.

  6. People who think Clowney disappears during games do not-I repeat- do NOT know football. He hasn’t produced sacks like he should, but every offense facing needs to game plan for him constantly. Watch the tape. His pass rush needs work, but he affects the pocket and run game nearly every play-when he is on the field, that is. Any qualified observer will tell you that.

    Say what you will about what he’s worth-that’s a different discussion-but be serious. There is a reason teams game plan for him, and if you watch his tape, you’ll see why.

  7. I’ve seen him actually take over a game or two. He is a better disrupter and excels at stopping the run and tackles for loss. He also disappears in games and has injury issues. Doubt he’ll see a team throw big money at him but you never know…

  8. I hope that if a team does take a wild flyer on him and offers him more than currently on the table, it isn’t the Seattle Seahawks. There is no way he should be the highest paid player, not a QB, on the team. He should be (with incentives only) in the top tier, for sure. Hold fast Seattle.

    I would rather see the Seahawks surprise everyone and trade up for one of the potentially game changing edge rushers in the draft. That won’t happen, but neither will $20-22M for Clowney.

  9. ak185 says:

    People who think Clowney disappears during games do not-I repeat- do NOT know football.
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    He looks like he disappears because he doesn’t prepare for games or even seasons. He’s always finding a way to get out of work. In the army we call guys like that Sick Call Soldiers. He doesn’t prepare because he’s lazy, as his college coach alluded to.

  10. ak185 says: “There is a reason teams game plan for him, and if you watch his tape, you’ll see why.”
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    WE ALL “KNOW” FOOTBALL.

    No one is questioning his abilities or talent. He CAN be phenomenal – when he wants. Problem is that he doesn’t bring it every down or even every game.

    And superstars wreck gameplans against them – that’s why they’re superstars. And the fact that you can neutralize Clowney by a gameplan, well, that too says a lot.

  11. Look at the toll it took on the Clown man to play one game 100% on Monday Night national tv….he gave himself a hernia. He is unable to play to his potential because his body breaks down.

  12. It appears that Clowney wants a contract that would pay him like the NFL’s truly elite pass rusher

    No team is going to give him that. Let me count the reasons…

    1) He gets hurt a lot
    2) He takes a lot of plays off
    3) He doesn’t produce like an elite pass rusher

    It looks like he’s going to be this year’s version of Melvin Gordon in that he thinks he’s worth much more than what teams think he’s worth.

  13. Clown does not have the stat of a truly good pass rusher. Arik Armstead of the Frisco 49ers has more sacks in 2019 and he has gotten paid by Frisco with a lucratic multi-year extension. Indianapolis traded a first round pick for DT DeForest Buckner instead of signing Clown without giving up any draft pick. It shows that Clown thinks he is a much better player than NFL GMs do. Clown thinks he is a better player than Penny-pinching Mode does. He would have been better off signing the franchise tag last season.

  14. californianewton says:
    March 28, 2020 at 12:11 pm
    Clown does not have the stat of a truly good pass rusher. Arik Armstead of the Frisco 49ers has more sacks in 2019 and he has gotten paid by Frisco with a lucratic multi-year extension. Indianapolis traded a first round pick for DT DeForest Buckner instead of signing Clown without giving up any draft pick. It shows that Clown thinks he is a much better player than NFL GMs do. Clown thinks he is a better player than Penny-pinching Mode does. He would have been better off signing the franchise tag last season.
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    He did sign the franchise tag fignewton. But first he dictated where the Texans traded him to. He wasn’t playing for the Texans no matter what once they tagged him at the LB #.

  15. I fully agree with the poster that says people that say he only got 3 sacks so he isn’t elite dont know football-

    Even hurt he is absolutely dominant against the run. Strong side\weak side be is making plays. To get elite money his numbers should be far better for sure. But be very disruptive and commanded double teams when he was out there.

  16. “WE ALL “KNOW” FOOTBALL.

    No one is questioning his abilities or talent. He CAN be phenomenal – when he wants. Problem is that he doesn’t bring it every down or even every game.

    And superstars wreck gameplans against them – that’s why they’re superstars. And the fact that you can neutralize Clowney by a gameplan, well, that too says a lot.”

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    By “bringing it” you mean what? If it’s getting sacks, then yes, you are correct. I will agree with you there. But if it’s being effective, then the answer is no. Very few times does Clowney not affect the game. Your reasoning, and that of others’, is simply that he is too lazy. Well, that may be true, that may not be true, and the only way to prove that is to know him. Considering that we do not, I’m going to not consider it hard evidence.

    We do, however, have evidence that he DOES affect gameplans, and to a significant degree. Other than coaches saying it (after playing him, not before in a meaningless press conference), we can see it on game film. If a player does not make an impact directly because he is being blocked by two or three offensive players, it is a huge affector. This is why players like Watt and Donald are always effective, even when they do not post large stat lines. We can see this happen with Clowney when we watch his film. You just can’t deny that, it’s on the tape. His pass rush is subpar, and I do agree with you on that. Many times you will see him in the QB’s face but is unable to finish and get to him before he releases, but he does provide a lot of hurries.

    It seems to me, when watching him, that he has a lot of trouble developing his moveset. He gets off at an unbelievable rate, and has incredible power and agility in his rush. But he doesn’t seem to know how to use his hands or use a variety of moves to get to the passer. His power and speed are usually enough to beat the linemen eventually, usually quickly enough to get pressure but not quickly enough to bring down the QB. According to Football Outsiders, he had a 89% stop rate in 2017 versus the pass, ranked 2nd in the league (78% overall-ranked 5th). That’s crazy. In 2018, his stop rate overall was 89%. Against the pass? It was 93%. That’s INSANE. And that’s the guy that O’Brien traded for a sixth round pick. I can’t access last year’s stats because they don’t let you in the free site, but that should let you know that, even if you don’t like their metrics, Clowney is not a chump.

    I’m not going as far as to say that he is in the league of a Von Miller or Fletcher Cox or Aaron Donald, but I am saying that his ability to disrupt plays consistently is much mroe significant than you think it is. People mostly dismiss him because it’s popular to treat him as a bust and they can’t change their minds for some reason. He does disrupt plays. He does it consistently.

  17. I am with AK and MrBigAss..

    Clowney is a difficult talent for casual observers to recognize.

    While people who look at stats see 3 sacks, I watch the games and plays twice or three times and see a player totally disrupting the other team’s offensive line and running-game. He is so quick off the snap that the T facing him is always trying to catch up and often you will watch Clowney run down a RB trying to find a gap on the opposite side.

    He has a nose for the ball carrier. That much is obvious, he is always right there on run plays. That has huge value and the Hawks know it. They don’t offer the reported 18.5 mil to players who aren’t special in some regard.

    The sacks thing is kind of hard to really nail down. If you watch the Niners game in Santa Clara last year you would figure he had 20 sacks last year. I played DT and DE through college so I think I know a few things but I won’t tell you I know why Clowney doesn’t get more sacks because I have no idea….and neither does anyone on the Houston or Seattle staff apparently so I don’t feel bad about it.

    Honestly, if I had to guess I would say a lot of it had to do with the other team’s game planning and double teams etc and the focus on him by the opposing QB. The other quarterback always knows exactly where Clowney is and with the Seahawks you really didn’t have to look at anybody else anyway. Easier to avoid a guy when your primary focus each play is to avoid him….??? That’s all I got.

    I will take him for what he does against the run alone though. The low sacks are the reason you don’t have to pay him 20+ is how I see it. It’s a win win. He is a dominating force with 3 sacks…it actually happens.

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