Stephon Gilmore unsurprised by Brady leaving, unfazed by Stidham starting

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Tom Brady left the Patriots for the Buccaneers. Many were surprised. Patriots cornerback Stephen Gilmore was not among them.

Not surprised,” Gilmore told Mike Reiss of ESPN.com. “A player like him, playing somewhere that long, you never can see it, but it shows you that in the National Football League it can be anyone going somewhere. It’s a business, and that’s how you have to look at it.”

The business now goes on, with Jarrett Stidham in line to become the starter. So what did Gilmore see from the fourth-round pick last season?

“He came in and worked hard and got better and better as the year went on,” Gilmore said of Stidham. “He has a strong arm. He makes some tough throws. Definitely made it hard on me in practice each and every week, going against whoever I was covering, making some great throws. It allowed me to get better in practice to prepare for the games.”

This echoes remarks made by defensive captain Devin McCourty in the aftermath of Brady’s departure. But what a guy does in practice and what he does in games, obviously, is different. Still, we’re starting to hear why the Patriots organization believes in Stidham.

It could be one of the reasons why coach Bill Belichick didn’t do more to keep Brady around for a 21st season.

75 responses to “Stephon Gilmore unsurprised by Brady leaving, unfazed by Stidham starting

  1. Brady wanting to walk was 100% about Brady wanting to walk and 0% about the Pats not wanting him. Jarrett Stidham is not the answer. Hoyer will be the Week 1 starter.

  2. The longest tenured played in New England is now Matthew Slater. That seems weird just to type.

    Oh well, life happens. New England will still compete for the division title.

  3. “Jarrett Stidham is not the answer. Hoyer will be the Week 1 starter.”

    Disagree. I think they’ll give Stidham the opening week starter unless he really stinks it up in whatever camp and preseason the teams get.

    Hoyer is a good solid backup, but he’s not a long term answer at starter

  4. Maybe Stidham is the answer, maybe he’s not, but whatever the end result is, I just know that I really liked him coming out of Auburn. He does have a big arm, and showed a lot of good leadership and toughness in college. A lot of people assume that late round picks (basically any round after the second if you’re talking quarterbacks) are developmental by default, but only quarterbacks with real potential are ACTUALLY developmental projects. As in, you actually put significant and meaningful effort into molding the player. The rest are just kind of “we’ll see what he’s got” kind of picks where you rely on the player more to catch up than you do try to build him to be a starter.

    I think Stidham has enough potential to be worth developing, is basically what I’m saying. Maybe I’m wrong, and you could certainly pick a more pro ready QB out of the box in the first round, but I thought he had good potential coming out of college. Usually those guys, the later picks with actually good potential, don’t get as much of a chance in the pros as they deserve, and Stidham has a shot now to see if he can get there.

  5. Believe the Pats got another 💎 in Stidham….. a QB with tons of talent that was the product of a poor offensive scheme & game plan his senior year that allowed him to slip in the draft & fall to the Pats in the 4th round….Pats get lucky again!!! With Jarrett in year 2 of his rookie contract, the Pats have the luxury of dealing with the salary cap mess this year & ability to put some pieces in place thru the next 2 drafts to really help him shine….& lets not forget, about 2/3’s of last years draft class will be coming back off IR to also fill some voids…… LIFE IS STILL WICKED GOOD IN PATRIOTS NATION!!!!
    Looking forward to the draft & watching Stidham’s development under BILL & JOSH’s guidance!!!!
    Go Pats!!!!!!

  6. Picture this- Stidham has a decent year and they win the division. 31 other teams have a heart attack. LOL

    I don’t think it will happen they have a pretty brutal schedule on paper this year but just sayin…watching all those jaws drop around the league would be quite spectacular

  7. All those people who say Stidham is not the answer have not even seen him play. I am sure they were saying the same things about Brady when he first came in for Bledsoe. If the team does not have weapons then it doesn’t matter who the QB is. Belechik got himself in cap jail and that is why we cannot improve this year. IN fact it is Belechiks personell decisions that I am more concerned about.

  8. I never believe the nonsense that Pats would bring in a fee agent like Andy Dolton to start. Why would they court with Dolton, the symbol of mediocrity? That’s not how it works in New England. They need home grown players who understand the culture and system to run their offense. It takes time. Stidham is their guy and he will do well. Will they go to the Super Bowl? I don’t think so but they will be competitive just like any year. Time will tell.

  9. Lots of QBs look good when it’s practice. Get them in a game and it’s an entirely different animal. I don’t think Stidham is the long-term answer.

  10. I don’t believe the Patriots’ 2020 QB is on the current roster. There are QB’s available that are much, much better than Hoyer. I only saw a little of Stidham in college, and my instant evaluation was that he was just an athlete trying to play QB. I didn’t spend enough time to really get a good look, so I don’t have a legit opinion. I have a feeling there will be several QB’s competing for the job. Right now I’m just hoping we have a football season.

  11. I give credit to Brady, Belichick, the assistant coaches and other players that lived two decades of NFL dominance.

    I hope Tom wins the NFC and the Pats win the AFC.

    But for those slamming Belichick just take a look at the Pats free agents other than Brady that their new teams signed to big contracts (which is similar to most years).

    How many of them were guys that other teams gave up on and gave away only to rebuild their value with New England? The notion that free agents won’t come to NE now is ludicrous. Bill only wants the rare high priced free agents (e.g. Gilmore). But, if you’re a guy with unfilled potential you’re begging to play for Bill if you believe in yourself. The reward is championships and a sure payday down the road if Bill wants you and you perform.

  12. Bill wanted Tom gone for many reasons, and if he thought Stidham wasn’t going to be any good then he would have sent him packing by now. He obviously sees potential there it’s a matter of getting him out there in actual game situations and seeing if he can deliver

  13. ” New England will still compete for the division title.”

    These are my fave kinds of posts. Pats fans have been winning for so long, that they don’t understand rebuilding – especially the younger ones. They think it’s a “just add water” kind of thing.

    The current Patriots roster is old and drained of talent. I’m actually suspicious that BB wants to tank – people say he never would, but they’re not giving any credit to his knowledge of the game. He’s a smart cookie – he sees what happens to teams that go 7-9 or 8-8 every year and don’t get those top draft picks.

    Brady is the GOAT. If Stidham is even a top 100 QB, the Pats will be extremely lucky. They’re about to take a big fall. Bills & Phins will compete for the top spot, and the Jets may even be in the mix. I expect the Patriots to finish 3rd at best, and could be in last.

  14. directdriver says:
    March 29, 2020 at 11:21 am
    I never believe the nonsense that Pats would bring in a fee agent like Andy Dolton to start. Why would they court with Dolton, the symbol of mediocrity? That’s not how it works in New England. They need home grown players who understand the culture and system to run their offense. It takes time. Stidham is their guy and he will do well. Will they go to the Super Bowl? I don’t think so but they will be competitive just like any year. Time will tell.
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    You act like running the pats offense is beyond a pro like Dalton? I don’t know where you get mediocrity, they guy has won 70 career games and led his team to the playoffs five straight seasons beginning his rookie year. He’s not going to carry a team by any means but a team that has a top notch Coaching, defense and special teams like the pats he could easily thrive.

    The problem with many pats fans is that they’ve been spoiled beyond belief and think no matter what you do it’s bulletproof. Well keep believing that replacing sports most important position is a drop in the bucket. It’s going to be fun watching an otherwise good patriots team crash and burn trying to win 10-7 games with A guy with no experience who got benched in mop up duty. Biting the bullet and trading a 3rd round pick for Andy Dalton Is a no brainer and is the best option if the Pats want to win the division again in ‘20.

  15. it could be a while before NE back on top . dont see them anytime in next 5-10 years .

  16. mysterytonite says:”Biting the bullet and trading a 3rd round pick for Andy Dalton Is a no brainer and is the best option if the Pats want to win the division again in ‘20.”

    First, I’m not a Pats fan but I watched enough of their games to admire how they operate. Have you noticed they never pay big money to backup QBs? And they always drafted a backup QB every other year when Brady was there because if Brady went down the season would be over anyway. But in the meantime they always had young one or two to develop to see their potential and if they turned out well they could be trade asset (this nugget came from Michael Lombardi’s mouth who was with the Pats from 2014-2016) and if Brady goes down they have a replacement at hand. It is the one position they do that, unlike defensive players or other positions that they could use retreads. If Stidham sucks, he would be gone by now. Why pay substantial money to Dolton to be 8-8? They can do that with their backups. Hell, they’re better off tanking than paying Dolton! BB see enough of Stidham that he believes Stidham can lead the team to be competitive. BB is always prepared for the QB position. Brady didn’t leave NE, BB didn’t want him. BB is ready to move on. It’s that simple.

  17. But I bet he was totally fazed by getting the snot beat out of him by DeVante Parker week 17 in New England! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!!!

  18. To all Pats fans who believe there is no way Pats don’t win AFC East again as they have the last umpteen years: In the 1970s, this was the exact mindset of Dolphins fans as they’d gone undefeated, won 2 straight Supes, etc. while the rest of the diision sucked pretty much (as the rest of the division has sucked pretty much the last umpteen years). But out of the blue (as with Brady going to the Bucs), the WFL took Csnoka, Kiick, and Warfield away (put them together and they were sorta like Brady, esp. Csonka) and then CRASH went their mini-dynasty! And then the Steelers took over… Do not assume just because you folks can’t remember the last time the Pats sucked that the Pats won’t suck at such point. My take? Bills win AFC East in 2020 and maybe 2021, Fins in 2022… McDermott’s been a good HC so far, and Flores knows “the Patriot way.”

  19. I give credit to Brady, Belichick, the assistant coaches and other players that lived two decades of NFL dominance.
    ————————————
    tigerlilac:

    Ya, Belichick didn’t pay big for WR so that Brady could turn cheap slot receivers into playmakers.

    Belichick didn’t pay big for O-line so that Brady could get rid of balls with 3 seconds.

    Find a place to learn logic, please.

  20. I really wish PFT archived posts.

    billsarethefuture has a history of being right less than a broken clock. I like the team the Bills have put together. They play tough D and they win on the road.

    But when I read someone say he thinks Belichick is going to tank I look askance. A leopard doesn’t change its spots. Belichick doesn’t tank. He beat the greatest shown on turf with and Jermaine Wiggins at TE and JR Redmond at tailback on the field for the winning drive. They both made key plays along with Troy Brown (a Patriots hero, an 8th pick, who Bill played on offense, defense and special teams).

    Of course, Bills, Dolphins and Jets fans hope the Patriots decline significantly but none of them are betting heavily.

  21. I wish they archived posts, also. Every Pats fan on here was guaranteeing #7 when they were 8-0 against a pretty easy schedule last year.

    I didn’t say that BB was tanking – I said I suspected he might be, because he IS a student of NFL history & I think he is realistic about the chances of this roster. He can coach up anyone, but this roster is the worst in the AFCE without Brady. Period.

    He has been very quiet in FA, and I think he knows they are in for a down year against a resurgent division. The smart move is to go for Lawrence.

    I hope he does NOT do that. I want to see the Pats mired in mediocrity for years.

  22. Mr. Lee, sir, please explain logically why all the other super bowl winners over the last two decades could not sustain the success that they Patriots did.

    Most teams that as much as sniffed a super bowl could not sustain excellence or, worse, imploded.

    You are right that Bill never tried to buy a super bowl. Do you think maybe logic can explain how he won more than any other team despite not following the William Lee Method that was adopted and failed miserably implemented by desperate coaches and owners?

  23. tigerlilac,

    All of Belichick’s “greatness” is built on that he didn’t have to overpay players for an offense that played better than Peyton’s offense in playoff, better than Brees’ offense in playoff, better than Rodgers’ offense in playoff.

    Pay attention : playoff, I am not talking about success in regular seasons.

    That is possible only if the QB has the skills to turned cheap slot receivers into playmakers, WHICH IS POSSIBLE ONLY IF QB CAN THROW THE BALLS AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE TIMES, THE SKILL THAT MAKES BRADY SPECIAL AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BELICHICK.

    No other QB, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers were able to do it. Please don’t argue that they could, THAT IS LOGIC. If they could have, they would have done it, which would have made jobs very easy for their coaches and GM to build teams around them.

  24. 11-5 with Cassel.

    I think anyone who really thinks the Pats will fall off a cliff this year probably forgets who is their coach.

  25. billsrthefuture says:
    March 29, 2020 at 4:43 pm
    I wish they archived posts, also. Every Pats fan on here was guaranteeing #7 when they were 8-0 against a pretty easy schedule last year.

    I didn’t say that BB was tanking – I said I suspected he might be, because he IS a student of NFL history & I think he is realistic about the chances of this roster. He can coach up anyone, but this roster is the worst in the AFCE without Brady. Period.

    He has been very quiet in FA, and I think he knows they are in for a down year against a resurgent division. The smart move is to go for Lawrence.

    ——
    That will require either a 1-15 record which will never happen under Bill or an incredible amount of luck trading someone for a 1 next year and that team crashes and burns this year.

    Teams don’t tank in this league. Lawrence isn’t a sure thing either.

  26. GoodellMustGo,

    Endless stupid “Matt Cassel” BS. the schedule in 2008 was as easy as that in the first half of 2019 season that Jets, Bills and Phins won 19 out of 30 against non AFCE teams. 2008 season actually proved that without Brady, Pats were just another AFCE team, even with Moss. So, are you going to claim that AFCE is one of the best divisions in the league?

  27. In case you don’t know (Of course you don’t know):

    The reason Belichick’s Browns could make playoff in 1994 is because there were two 3-13 teams in the division.

  28. “11-5 with Cassel.”

    C’mon, GMG – that’s been pretty debunked. That was an undefeated team that went 11-5 with a different QB.

    A similar fall-off for last year’s team would be sub-.500.

  29. People that say the Pats are gonna tank or be down for years just don’t get it. They still have Kraft and Belichick. 4 losing seasons in the 27 years since Kraft bought the team. They still have a lot of good players on that team. #1 D in the NFL last year. Very good Oline when healthy. Deep RB position. Edelman and some young WRs. No QB and no TE. For now. That’s it. Keep wishing and praying. Their not gonna rebuild, just retool. 1 9-7/7-9 year. Next year they have the 3rd most cap room in the NFL. Nothing says JAllen is gonna be any better than average. Nothing says Miami is gonna hit on all their draft pks(see CBrowns). Nothing says the Jets can get out of their own way. We shall see.

  30. They still have Kraft and Belichick.
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    Who gave Bledsoe the fat contract? Kraft, not Belichick.

    Belichick, you mean the super cheap Belichick whose draft on offense was terrible?

    #1, Just imagine super cheap Belichick to build an offense without a QB who has the skills to turn slot receivers into playmakers.
    #2, Just imagine super cheap Belichick to build an offense without a QB who needs only 3 seconds in pocket.
    #3, Just imagine that Belichick’s defense doesn’t get help from offense anymore, like no more scoring 17 points in first half, like no more playing only 27 minutes, like no more good field positions (Brady always got couple of first downs even when he struggled).
    #4, Just imagine that in those close games when he needs his QB to score a TD or a FG in last 2 minutes.

    Those are the problems for every coach, but not for Belichick, because he had Tom Brady.

    Now no QB or receiver or defenders will take paycut to join Pats, and Belichick couldn’t do even with paycut from Brady.

    Belichick will be exposed, you people are part of reasons that Brady left.

  31. William Lee says:
    March 29, 2020 at 5:36 pm
    GoodellMustGo,

    Endless stupid “Matt Cassel” BS. the schedule in 2008 was as easy as that in the first half of 2019 season that Jets, Bills and Phins won 19 out of 30 against non AFCE teams. 2008 season actually proved that without Brady, Pats were just another AFCE team, even with Moss. So, are you going to claim that AFCE is one of the best divisions in the league?
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    Tampa Bay Tommy fans seem defensive for some reason and there’s no need to be. This is about Belichick not Brady. Cassel looked really bad in the preseason, every bit like a guy who hadn’t started a game since high school- in fact he might have been a cut candidate. And all of a sudden quite good in the regular season and had they not run out of games they could have been a dark horse in the playoffs. Gee I wonder why. 🤔

    Look at the Colts In 2011 without Manning and then the Patriots in 08 without Brady. There is only one difference between the two. Coaching. With an inferior coach the Patriots probably end up right down there in the standings too.

    And I would debate with anyone who thinks our defense in 08 is better than now. It isn’t. They were blown out by good teams and that wasn’t really the downgrade at QB.

  32. billsrthefuture says:
    March 29, 2020 at 5:40 pm
    “11-5 with Cassel.”

    C’mon, GMG – that’s been pretty debunked. That was an undefeated team that went 11-5 with a different QB.

    A similar fall-off for last year’s team would be sub-.500.

    —-
    If Belichick could take a guy like Cassel and turn it into an 11-5 season…then I don’t see why he couldn’t work some magic with Stidham. Any other coach and I would agree with all of what people are saying. Let’s see what happens.

  33. They still have a lot of good players on that team. #1 D in the NFL last year. Very good Oline when healthy. Deep RB position. Edelman and some young WRs. No QB and no TE. For now. That’s it. Keep wishing and praying. Their not gonna rebuild, just retool. 1 9-7/7-9 year.

    ——
    Well said. Right now I’d say 9 wins but wouldn’t surprise me if it was 10. Schedule in reality is almost never as tough as it is on paper. Either way it’s a transition year where we get to find out more about Stidham and the young redshirted guys and a once again healthy OL run game and I’m looking forward to it. Let’s not forget it was the run game not Brady that won the Patriots the title in 18.

    After Matt Cassel and then 3-1 with Brady’s suspension Bill has earned the benefit of the doubt with me.

  34. Pats in 2008 went 11-5. Only the 2nd time in history an 11-5 team missed the playoffs. In a 4 way tie, 3 in the AFCE. Guess the sched wasn’t That easy.

    Belichick was a success in Cleveland. Took over a terrible team in cap jail. Got to the playoffs. The next year, they were on the cover of SI as SBowl favs. Then Modell pulled the plug. #noclue

  35. tedmurph says:
    March 29, 2020 at 6:21 pm
    Pats in 2008 went 11-5. Only the 2nd time in history an 11-5 team missed the playoffs. In a 4 way tie, 3 in the AFCE. Guess the sched wasn’t That easy.

    Belichick was a success in Cleveland. Took over a terrible team in cap jail. Got to the playoffs. The next year, they were on the cover of SI as SBowl favs. Then Modell pulled the plug. #noclue
    ——-
    ^ this. He wasn’t a perfect coach of course, he was young and made some mistakes but absolutely he was successful as coach. The newly born Ravens don’t win a SB if Bill didn’t set the foundation.

  36. Look at the Colts In 2011 without Manning and then the Patriots in 08 without Brady.
    ——————
    GoodellMustGo,

    Colts tanked the season to get Luck, OK?

    BTW, offense under QB like Peyton and Rodgers was one dimensional, A NIGHTMARE FOR BACKUP QB, because unless the backup can play Peyton or Rodgers, there is no alternative.

    A backup for Brady is a dream, because Brady played so many different offense system, so the backup can go through the playbook and find plays that fits his skills better, OK?

    You can say whatever you want, but you can’t change this:

    Belichick needs a QB who can turn cheap slot receivers into playmakers, or he will be exposed.

  37. GoodellMustGo,

    Let me remind you :

    The team Matt Cassel had is the best WR squad Brady ever had, and Pats lost to Chargers and Steelers, the two team owned by Brady.

    I told you that they could be 11-5 because of super easy schedule, with Moss, who turned Dumb Culpepper into a probowler.

    You insist that season proves something? you insist that AFCE is one of the best divisons in the league (2008 season proved it in your opinion)? be my guest.

  38. William Lee says:
    March 29, 2020 at 6:31 pm
    Look at the Colts In 2011 without Manning and then the Patriots in 08 without Brady.
    ——————
    GoodellMustGo,

    Colts tanked the season to get Luck, OK?

    BTW, offense under QB like Peyton and Rodgers was one dimensional, A NIGHTMARE FOR BACKUP QB, because unless the backup can play Peyton or Rodgers, there is no alternative.

    A backup for Brady is a dream, because Brady played so many different offense system, so the backup can go through the playbook and find plays that fits his skills better, OK?

    You can say whatever you want, but you can’t change this:

    Belichick needs a QB who can turn cheap slot receivers into playmakers, or he will be exposed

    ——-
    First – no the Colts didn’t deliberately tank. Teams don’t tank in the NFL.

    Second- it sounds like you agree with Brady critics that it’s the system that makes Brady what he is. There’s a system in place and a backup QB should pick it up and won’t miss a beat. That’s an interesting take from a NE fan 🤔

    Third- this isn’t Brady’s offense anymore. It was Brady that was exposed last year when the run game and blocking that won the Super Bowl wasn’t there in 2019 because of injuries. It was the reason the Chiefs were sent packing, Now that they are healthy expect Bill to make that the focus of the offense going forward while we find out what they have in Jarrett Stidham.

  39. “If Belichick could take a guy like Cassel and turn it into an 11-5 season…then I don’t see why he couldn’t work some magic with Stidham. Any other coach and I would agree with all of what people are saying. Let’s see what happens.”

    That’s fair. I’ll certainly never underestimate BB. I have mad respect for him as a fan (but of course dislike him as a BILLS fan).

    It’s actually because of my respect that I speculate on tanking. It would be the smart football move, but I agree he’s probably too competitive to actually do it.

    I can’t help but be optimistic about the division. I’ve waited 20 years for this – Brady finally leaving, and the Bills finally being well managed. If it doesn’t happen now, it’s simply not gonna happen. Maybe the Pats ARE the Yankees.

  40. Belichick was a “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” kind of coach until Brady.

    We will see that coach again.

  41. Belichick’s biggest mistake in Cleveland was getting on the bad side of the media. He gave ONewsome his front office chance. Newsome had a huge run of great drafting for the Ravens.

    I have absolutely no doubt that the slot WRs during Belichicks tenure, TBrown, WWelker and Edelman, would have excelled anywhere. These guys made their bones with YAC. QBs don’t have much to do with that.

  42. First – no the Colts didn’t deliberately tank. Teams don’t tank in the NFL.

    Second- it sounds like you agree with Brady critics that it’s the system that makes Brady what he is.

    ————————

    They tanked, the fired coach was hired after only 2 weeks.

    It is Brady’s system, I explained it in reply to tigerlilac,

    All of Belichick’s “greatness” is built on that he didn’t have to overpay players for an offense that played better than Peyton’s offense in playoff, better than Brees’ offense in playoff, better than Rodgers’ offense in playoff.

    Pay attention : playoff, I am not talking about success in regular seasons.

    That is possible only if the QB has the skills to turned cheap slot receivers into playmakers, WHICH IS POSSIBLE ONLY IF QB CAN THROW THE BALLS AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE TIMES, THE SKILL THAT MAKES BRADY SPECIAL AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH BELICHICK.

    No other QB, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers were able to do it. Please don’t argue that they could, THAT IS LOGIC. If they could have, they would have done it, which would have made jobs very easy for their coaches and GM to build teams around them.

  43. William Lee says:
    March 29, 2020 at 6:49 pm
    Belichick was a “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” kind of coach until Brady.

    We will see that coach again.
    ——
    Belichick is 6-4 since 2001 in that category. You sure about that?

    Patriots scores

  44. GoodellMustGo says:
    March 29, 2020 at 6:57 pm
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    William Lee says:
    March 29, 2020 at 6:49 pm
    Belichick was a “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” kind of coach until Brady.

    We will see that coach again.
    ——
    Belichick is 6-4 without Brady since 2001 in that category. You sure about that?

  45. March 29, 2020 at 6:49 pm
    Belichick was a “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” kind of coach until Brady.

    Like those Championship defenses with the Giants?

  46. William Lee says:
    March 29, 2020 at 6:34 pm
    GoodellMustGo,

    Let me remind you :

    The team Matt Cassel had is the best WR squad Brady ever had, and Pats lost to Chargers and Steelers, the two team owned by Brady.
    ——
    They lost those games by 20 and 23 points respectively, giving up at least 30 in each. Id say defense had just as much to do with those losses as the downgrade at QB did.

    ———-
    I told you that they could be 11-5 because of super easy schedule, with Moss, who turned Dumb Culpepper into a probowler.

    You insist that season proves something? you insist that AFCE is one of the best divisons in the league (2008 season proved it in your opinion)? be my guest.
    ——
    Not sure where I said it was. It proves that Brady leaving didn’t cause the team to fold and I expect the same this year. If they are bad enough to suck without Tampa Bay Tommy then they were bad enough to suck with him on the roster.

  47. Belichick was a “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” kind of coach until Brady.

    Like those Championship defenses with the Giants?
    ——————————

    In 2nd SB, Giants defense played only 21 minutes, and allowed 19 points and gave Bills a chance to win the game.

    You were very impressed, huh?

    WITHOUT A QB WHO CAN TURN CHEAP SLOT RECEIVERS INTO PLAYMAKERS, BELICHICK WILL BE EXPOSED. Remember that.

    #1, In SB against Panthers, Pats offense played 38 mintues.
    #2, In SB against Seahawks, Pats offense played 33 minutes.
    #3, In SB against Falcons, Pats offense played 37 minutes during regular periods
    #4, _In SB against Eagles, Pats offense played only 26 minutes. How did his #5 defense play?_
    #5, In AFCCG against Chiefs, Pats offense played 39 minutes.
    #6, In SB agaisnt Rams, Pats offense played 33 minutes.

  48. GoodellMustGo:

    Let me ask you this :

    What would be Pats record in 2008 without Randy Moss, with that super easy schedule? 7-9 or worse.

    Remember Belichick asked Moss to take a paycut, and Moss refused and left?

    You think without Brady, other players will still take pay cut to join in Pats?

    You want to believe “Belichick didn’t pay big for WR so that Brady could turn cheap slot receivers into playmakers”? you want to believe “Belichick didn’t pay big for O-line so that Brady could get rid of balls with 3 seconds”? Be my guest.

    Oh, as one season can prove the greatness of Belichick, one season is good enough to prove AFCE is one of the best divisons.

  49. You were very impressed, huh?

    Yes I was. I’m not the only one. The game plan is in the Hall of Fame in Canton Ohio

  50. Yes I was. I’m not the only one. The game plan is in the Hall of Fame in Canton Ohio
    ———————————
    Game plan was Bill Parcell’s “Run with power”.

    Defense? that is like 30 points if defense had to play 30 minutes, and allowed opponents marching down fields to have a chance to win.

    Again : WITHOUT A QB WHO CAN TURN CHEAP SLOT RECEIVERS INTO PLAYMAKERS, “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” BELICHICK WILL BE EXPOSED. Remember that.

  51. Parcells didn’t game plan for the Giants on either side of the ball. Some people just make a list of excuses to cover up for a lack of facts. One way to get the ball from the opponent is to force them to punt with good defense. Belichick has been exposed. With his 8 rings. He’s the GOAT. Remember that.

  52. One way to get the ball from the opponent is to force them to punt with good defense.
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    Without an offense that stayed on field for 39 minutes, that defense would have collapsed, easily.

    That is the signature of Belichick’s defense with Patriots.

    #1, In SB against Panthers, Pats offense played 38 mintues.
    #2, In SB against Seahawks, Pats offense played 33 minutes.
    #3, In SB against Falcons, Pats offense played 37 minutes during regular periods
    #4, _In SB against Eagles, Pats offense played only 26 minutes. How did his #5 defense play?_
    #5, In AFCCG against Chiefs, Pats offense played 39 minutes.
    #6, In SB agaisnt Rams, Pats offense played 33 minutes.

  53. D hadn’t collapsed all game. Why would it start with 1 more series? Now, this is just boring.

  54. Oh, I forgot to tell you:

    Check total yards allowed, that is how NFL ranks defense, it tells you how good a defense takes opponents out of fields.

    Then, compare Pats defense to Packers defense in last 10 years.

    Enjoy.

  55. Is William Lee a codeword for a Brazilian supermodel married to an anonymous NFL superstar quarterback who wears number 12? Who has an D&D fixation with ex Patriot silt receivers who may or may not dropped a particular pass in a Super Bowl?

    Asking randomly for no particular reason.

  56. Pts allowed is the only stat that matters. And turnover differential. Packers are irrelevant. What have they done lately? Yrds against are a meaningless loser stat

  57. tedmurph,

    WITHOUT A QB WHO CAN TURN CHEAP SLOT RECEIVERS INTO PLAYMAKERS, “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” BELICHICK.

    Can you deny it? you can’t. Now, this is just boring.

    You want to insist it was Belichick who never talk to his QB and WR on sideline so to prove that other coaches and QBs are idiots, be my guest.

  58. Pts allowed is the only stat that matters.

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    Well, Saints defense was better than Bears defense under Bridgewater.

    Packers defense was #9 when Rodgers played several games like Brady in 2019.

    Obviously, you mean Brees and Rodgers are idiots? be my guest.

    Oh, forgot to mention pats defense has been way overrated because of lousy offenese from Jets, Bills and Dophins.

    Enjoy.

  59. It’s not the other coaches and QBs that are the idiots.

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    tedmurph.

    A defensive coach designed unbelievable schemes that he didn’t even have to guide his QB and WR on sideline, and fooled other coaches and QB for 18 years.

    LOGICALLY, you imply that other coaches and QB are idiots. It doesn’t matter you said it or not.

  60. People remember what they only want to remember. Belichick was 5 and 11 his last year in Cleveland. They were not super bowl favourites. He made the playoffs once the year before and won a game. The next year they went back to normal in the basement. The ravens won the super bowl 4 years later. He had nothing to do with that.

  61. The signature of a great D Is
    1)points allowed
    2) turnovers
    3)ability to stop teams on 3rd down
    EVERY OTHER STAT IS IRRELEVANT…..
    There is NO WAY BB tanks this year…. to suggest it shows that you know absolutely nothing about him or the culture he has built there…
    Troy Brown Wes Welker & Julian Edelman are about as close to trash slot receivers as Larry Fitzgerald is to being a trash WR…. in other words you have NO CLUE in what you are talking about…..
    As far as the Pats having a system in place, well duhhhh, EVERY TEAM has some sort of system in place but many just cant execute it….BB is a master strategist & demands accountability from players lucky enough to be under his tutelage….. he understands players strengths & weaknesses & puts them in the best position to succeed or be successful.Depth is important & even when you plan for bad things to happen, SOMETIMES the injury bug can be relentless & unbending in its ability to take down key players & even their quality back ups….. when that happens, most teams fail miserably but Bill STILL finds a way to keep the wheels from falling off…. but sometimes even that will only take you so far…Pats will be contenders without Brady, they are built to endure….& Stidham looks( & sounds) to be competent enough to lead them going forward….. not expecting another Brady but if he turns out to be a top 6-10 QB, the Pats will be as dangerous as ever!!!
    Go Pats!!!!

  62. tedmurph: “These guys made their bones with YAC. QBs don’t have much to do with that.”

    I disagree. Yards after catch is absolutely the function of the quarterback because it’s about ball location. Film guru Greg Cosell could not emphasize this enough that it’s the quartetback’s job to place the ball where the receiver is allowed to run after the catch. Throw it into heavy traffic, the WR would get killed! This is the greatness of Tom Brady. I can’t believe Pats fans cannot recignize that.

    Another thing about that 3-1 record during Brady’s suspension in 2016 that’s quite telling. Yes, it’s a winning record but people failed to look at that one loss to the Bills. Garoppolo was injured so they had to rely on a half injured Brissette and got a goose egg, 16-0 Bills! And when Brady came back playing against the same Bills team, the Pats blew them out. Even Rex Ryan admitted he stole that first game. But with Bady back, they had no chance. All I’m saying is that no coaches, not even someone as great as BB, can overcome poor quarterback play. Someone has to be out there throwing the damn ball. Even BB said it, players play and coaches coach. Players win games and coaches lose games. Great coaches minimize losing.

    Back to Stidham, I believe he’s their guy. He will do well but whether he’s the closer with an assassin’s instinct like Brady, time will tell.

  63. Talking about the Giants/Bills SB….The Giants d completely corralled the Bills passing game in that SB, that was how they won that game. Kelly only threw for 210 yards and 60 of them came on one play. 150 yards on at least 30 other pass attempts. They took away the middle of the field by hammering Reed (8 Catches for only 62 yards). They “let” thomas run crazy, but knew that Kelly was the key to the game. You can go back and read the play by play, you know. Profootball reference gives it.

  64. Welcome to mediocrity, Patriots. Karma catches up with everyone and the cheating Pats are overdue.

  65. Another thing about that 3-1 record during Brady’s suspension in 2016 that’s quite telling. Yes, it’s a winning record but people failed to look at that one loss to the Bills. Garoppolo was injured so they had to rely on a half injured Brissette and got a goose egg, 16-0 Bills!
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    Brissett should not have been playing that day. From what I heard the team expected Jimmy to go and he had to back out late and they were not thrilled about that.

    3-1 though still is probably better than expected under the circumstances. Winning the road opener against a good defense and then lighting up the Dolphins and goose-egging the Texans. Lesser coaches probably get lesser results.

  66. tedmurph says:
    March 29, 2020 at 8:24 pm
    Pts allowed is the only stat that matters. And turnover differential. Packers are irrelevant. What have they done lately? Yrds against are a meaningless loser stat
    ——
    Eh…. that matters more than people think imo. Ask the Chiefs in 2018 in the conference championship game. Hard for Mahomes to get on the field when his defense is allowing yards and time off clock.

  67. tedmurph says:
    March 29, 2020 at 6:54 pm
    Belichick’s biggest mistake in Cleveland was getting on the bad side of the media. He gave ONewsome his front office chance. Newsome had a huge run of great drafting for the Ravens.

    I have absolutely no doubt that the slot WRs during Belichicks tenure, TBrown, WWelker and Edelman, would have excelled anywhere. These guys made their bones with YAC. QBs don’t have much to do with that.
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    Yup to everything above. It amazes me to see people trash Belichick for his time in Cleveland. Just shows they didn’t follow the league much. He took a team that was a talent wasteland other than QB and turned them into a SB contender.

    As for the 2000 Patriots that was the start of the roster purge that laid the foundation for things to come. Also 7 of those 11 losses were by 7 or less points and another 2 losses were by 8. 5-11 is by no means good but there wasn’t nearly enough of a sample size there to judge Bill’s job.

  68. As for YAC I think it depends on the type of throw. If it’s a hot read the QB should get credit for that. If it’s a horizontal screen- and Brady did plenty of that when he started- then it’s mostly on the receiver or RB. This is where Antowain Smith shone for the Patriots in the early years. Take him away from the Patriots and Brady doesn’t do a whole lot.

  69. BB deserves a lot of credit for his gameplan in that Giants/Bills SB, but he gets too much, imo.

    What slowed that Bills offense down was not being on the field. Giants TOP was 40 compared to the Bills 20. The Giants opened the 3rd quarter by grinding away that clock on the ground with a drive that took up almost 10 minutes.

    That’s what won the game. BB’s defense was innovative at that time and somewhat effective – but Kelly & Co. still put up 19 points in 20 minutes.

  70. BB’s defense was innovative at that time and somewhat effective – but Kelly & Co. still put up 19 points in 20 minutes.

    Somewhat effective? Bills had 10 possessions in the game, they only scored on 3. You make it sound like they were ripping through them and the only thing holding them back was time of possession.

    Two 3 and outs.
    Three more 1 first down then a three and out
    One other drive they had two first downs then punted

    On the final drive, Kelly passes 2-3 for 10 whole yards. He ran three times for 18 yards, basically killing clock time because its a run and he was NOT a runner.

    Sorry man, you are completely wrong. That defense took the Bills completely out of their game plan and the Bills never adjusted.

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