Duron Harmon: Patriots had to trade me for cap space

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With so many Patriots players leaving this offseason, Duron Harmon became part of the blur.

But the now-Lions safety said coach Bill Belichick was up front with him about the reasons why — the need to bring in reinforcements.

Via NBCSportsBoston.com, Harmon said on Devin and Jason McCourty’s “Double Coverage” podcast that Belichick explained it was just about finances.

“[Belichick] told me, ‘Look, it’s just at the point where we have to make some moves and we just paid Dev; it’s just going to be really tough to really do anything, or get anything done in free agency if we don’t do this,'” Harmon said.

“He was just telling me it’s going to be a great opportunity for me [in Detroit],” Harmon added. “I respect that because at the end of the day we know Bill is going to do what is best for the team and I respect that because not a lot of people can do that and have that commitment and dedication that the team is first.”

Harmon would have counted $4.25 million against the cap for the Patriots, who had just given Devin McCourty a two-year, $23 million extension.

Coupled with Tom Brady (among many others) leaving in free agency, and the release of longtime kicker Stephen Gostkowski, it’s a major change for the Patriots. Getting rid of a Rutgers guy like Harmon may make his trade even more surprising, but Harmon has no hard feelings.

58 responses to “Duron Harmon: Patriots had to trade me for cap space

  1. “The Closer” was a total pro in his time with the Patriots. I was there for his pick to end the Raven’s season in 2015 and saw him make many other big plays. He was a great example of the unsung guys, that might have a little less physical ability, but who more than made up for it with hard work, Leadership, team first mentality and smarts. Best of luck to Duron in Detroit with Matty P.!

  2. Bill’s so caring. “You’ll love Detroit “, all this guy cares about is himself, but tries to be a good guy as he shakes your hand and stabs you in the back simultaneously. The Browns made the playoffs 5 of 6 years prior to his arrival there. He cut the eventual winning super bowl quarterback. He was 5-11 with the #1 pick Bledsoe. If he never had Brady or Parcells, he would have exactly 0 rings.

  3. Harmon will be missed. He was a big play waiting to happen as the 5th DB. He follows the same path that Tavon Wilson took going from being a NE role player to starting for Detroit. In fact it appears he is replacing Tavon Wilson.

    “Well, life’s strange”
    Slim Charles
    The Wire

  4. Time to reset the buttons and let Bill overhaul half the team. It was inevitable. Let’s see what he can do evaluating, coaching, and plugging in new guys. His track record at this is better than anyone, so I’m betting on him.

  5. Wish him the best… he came up with some awesome tip drill picks…. good character guy & solid locker room addition…..
    Go Pats!!!!

  6. Now he’s on the worst team in football! Double gut shot to guy. Hopefully he got paid decent.

  7. didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Bill’s so caring. “You’ll love Detroit “, all this guy cares about is himself, but tries to be a good guy as he shakes your hand and stabs you in the back simultaneously. The Browns made the playoffs 5 of 6 years prior to his arrival there. He cut the eventual winning super bowl quarterback. He was 5-11 with the #1 pick Bledsoe. If he never had Brady or Parcells, he would have exactly 0 rings.

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    Lifelong Browns fan here, never a fan of the Patriots, but I gotta set the record straight on this one. BB is not the reason why the Browns stopped winning. That was Art Modell. Do I think BB made mistakes with Kosar and other things? Yes. But he is not the reason for where they ended up.

    And again – not a Pats fan (at all) but I am a fan of the game. I don’t do GOATs. Too many differences between eras and even seasons sometimes. But give Bill his due. I have a strange feeling that others will soon realize what some of us have always knows – that dude is the architect. Everyone else was just a piece of the construction.

  8. didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Bill’s so caring. “You’ll love Detroit “, all this guy cares about is himself, but tries to be a good guy as he shakes your hand and stabs you in the back simultaneously.
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    Bill’s father, Steve, was the equipment manager for the Detroit Lions. Steve was such a dedicated hard working equipment manager that the Lions head coach made Steve the starting Center for the Detroit Lions. Bill still has great affection for that city and franchise.

  9. “too bad BB put the Patriots in cap hell”

    Bill got the Pats through 20 years and managed the cap better than any other GM/team in most of that time. It finally caught up and there will be one year like this before he gets that cap back in good order. Its amazing it took this long to happen and only because Belichick knows economics and makes his cuts without personal feelings involved.

    I’ll take the 6 SB wins and 9 appearances in exchange for 1 year of “cap hell”. Look at the Rams, they went all in and sent themselves to cap hell to get to a single SB they lost.

  10. Re “Bill is so caring”
    His job isn’t to be caring. His job is to set up the team to compete every year, and he’s done that better than anyone…ever.
    Belichick is GM, that means he has to be coldly analytical with personnel decisions.

    The players know the score, and Belichick gives it to them straight. They can then make their own decisions that are best for them. Good players that leave NE get paid above market rates, because they leave as professionals, and that’s because of Belichick (the coach).

  11. didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Bill’s so caring. “You’ll love Detroit “, all this guy cares about is himself, but tries to be a good guy as he shakes your hand and stabs you in the back simultaneously. The Browns made the playoffs 5 of 6 years prior to his arrival there. He cut the eventual winning super bowl quarterback. He was 5-11 with the #1 pick Bledsoe. If he never had Brady or Parcells, he would have exactly 0 rings.

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    Lifelong Browns fan here, never a fan of the Patriots, but I gotta set the record straight on this one. BB is not the reason why the Browns stopped winning. That was Art Modell. Do I think BB made mistakes with Kosar and other things? Yes. But he is not the reason for where they ended up.

    And again – not a Pats fan (at all) but I am a fan of the game. I don’t do GOATs. Too many differences between eras and even seasons sometimes. But give Bill his due. I have a strange feeling that others will soon realize what some of us have always knows – that dude is the architect. Everyone else was just a piece of the construction.

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    Kosar was already there and Modell wouldn’t let BB move on and start Testaverde.

    Good post otherwise. Brady was the worst player on the team last year in terms of reaching his own personal ceiling. Worst season I’ve ever seen him play.

  12. didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:21 am

    Bill’s so caring. “You’ll love Detroit “, all this guy cares about is himself, but tries to be a good guy as he shakes your hand and stabs you in the back simultaneously. The Browns made the playoffs 5 of 6 years prior to his arrival there. He cut the eventual winning super bowl quarterback. He was 5-11 with the #1 pick Bledsoe. If he never had Brady or Parcells, he would have exactly 0 rings.

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    Have you been in a coma? Everything you typed is literally wrong and incorrect.

    Parcells was a .500 or sub .500 coach without BB. He literally had to have BB as his personal DC to be able to even be a good coach.

    BB drafted and developed Brady. Read it again if necessary. He benched Bledsoe due to his fading skills in a faster game.

    He doesn’t do any stabbing in the back at all. He’s the one who has been stabbed in the back.

    Lastly, Jim Brown called BB the most generous athlete or coach to ever come through Cleveland in terms of money and time invested in the community. That’s probably changed over time, but up until 15 years ago, that’s what Jim Brown said.

    You are literally clueless and have no info.

  13. ikeclanton says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:25 am

    Time to reset the buttons and let Bill overhaul half the team. It was inevitable. Let’s see what he can do evaluating, coaching, and plugging in new guys. His track record at this is better than anyone, so I’m betting on him.

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    What’s funny is, skill set to skill set Adrian Phillips is better than Duron Harmon. This had to with value as much as some bogus “cap hell”.

    BB got younger and basically has a player that gives him MORE for the money.

    All the best to Harmon, but BB just got faster and better.

  14. LOL BROWNS FANS STILL UPSET THAT BB BENCHED KOSAR!!!!!!!!!!!! You will forever be losers.

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    didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Bill’s so caring. “You’ll love Detroit “, all this guy cares about is himself, but tries to be a good guy as he shakes your hand and stabs you in the back simultaneously. The Browns made the playoffs 5 of 6 years prior to his arrival there. He cut the eventual winning super bowl quarterback. He was 5-11 with the #1 pick Bledsoe. If he never had Brady or Parcells, he would have exactly 0 rings.

  15. Let’s make no mistake: BB is the greatest coach of all time. Chess/checkers & all the rest.

    Equally as true: BB is the most overrated GM of all time.

    He has never drafted that well. Most Patriots drafts of the past decade have been middlin’ at best. As for FA’s, he has always benefited from good & great players wanting to play w/ the GOAT QB, and often taking pay cuts to do so. We see that now w/ so many FA’s wanting to go to Tampa.

    He won’t have that anymore. BB the coach generally makes BB the GM look better than he is, since he can coach up anyone, but it’s going to be a very interesting new era in New England.

  16. didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:21 am
    Bill’s so caring. “You’ll love Detroit “, all this guy cares about is himself, but tries to be a good guy as he shakes your hand and stabs you in the back simultaneously.

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    Not sure how you concluded that. The article explained it pretty clearly, as did Harmon, that Belichick focuses on the team and does whats best for the team. Harmon even acknowledged that he understood why this was better for the team and agreed.

    BTW, having gone to school just outside Detroit (Cranbrook in Bloomfield Hills is not far away) I can say it’s not the cesspool of misery some folks like to paint it as. Sure it’s got some pretty ugly spots, most cities do. But there is plenty to enjoy there too.

  17. “Look, it’s just at the point where we have to make some moves and we just paid Dev; it’s just going to be really tough to really do anything, or get anything done in free agency if we don’t do this'”

    Remember this the next time Pats fans try to mock another team for being burdened by an excessive contract or being in cap hell.

  18. “You’ll love Detroit” =

    “A whole bunch of your old friends are there getting paid while losing. You’ve already got rings – go get your $ without having to play meaningful games past October. And you’ll play at least 9 games a year in a dome without this New England weather. Bob will probably call tomorrow asking for another guy or two. Who is your best friend here? We’ll trade him too. You can get an apartment together!”

  19. After reading these comments from Harmon, I have a feeling Harmon will be a future Belichick assistant, with his former Rutgers teammate, Steve Belichcik.

  20. harrisonhits2 says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:48 am

    “too bad BB put the Patriots in cap hell”

    Bill got the Pats through 20 years and managed the cap better than any other GM/team in most of that time. It finally caught up and there will be one year like this before he gets that cap back in good order. Its amazing it took this long to happen and only because Belichick knows economics and makes his cuts without personal feelings involved.

    I’ll take the 6 SB wins and 9 appearances in exchange for 1 year of “cap hell”. Look at the Rams, they went all in and sent themselves to cap hell to get to a single SB they lost.

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    It’s not really a cap hell, though.

    Cap hell is when you are like the Chiefs with literally $177.00 left and rookies to sign. KC will have to cut 3-4 very good players just to make it work. Their base will be rattled, continuity affected, and with no camp or OTAs, it will hurt their team fromm their SB hangover as the hunted. THAT is cap hell because their base is affected.

    Kyle Van Noy is one player. Sure, it’s a loss, but Brady and Gostkowski, based on objective analysis of their play the last 2 years and their cost, ARE NOT. Take the names off the jerseys when objectively analyzing, otherwise you can’t analyze correctly.

    BB was not doing this stuff that KC now needs to do, arrogantly so.

    BB’s All Pro base of players is in tact in their prime years. The only one you could say is old and not really in his prime is McCourty, but he had one of his best years ever as a Patriot last year. Same with Slater. I mean, these guys have gotten BETTER with age.

    This about VALUE. Always has been.

    NE’s team is built with an in-house veteran base. That’s the key. Fromm there, you filter the youth infusion to get younger, faster etc. A red-shirted 2019 draft class does this, tied to 12 draft picks in 2020.

    BB is 3-4 steps ahead of people, including you. This means, he’s already laid the groundwork and knew he wouldn’t be spending big in FA, not that he ever does anyway. Plus, one of those 3rd rders could possibly be used in a trade for a player he loves, wants to extend, once Thuney signs a long term deal, giving them some space.

    When you have 100mil+ in cap space in 2021, with a loaded set of young players, you’re not in a cap hell. Cap hell lingers for years. This isn’t it.

    Part of BB insulting Brady (in Brady’s eyes), was trying NOT to be in cap hell. If BB insisted Brady stay at 25-30 mil per the next 2 years, NE WOULD be in a cap hell.

    This is one reason why BB wanted to move on at the perfect time. His work with Stidham has paid off and that’s pretty obvious just like when he worked ovetime with Brady in 2001, Cassel on the fly in 2008 and then JimmyG, all with plus side results.

  21. billsrthefuture says:
    March 31, 2020 at 10:12 am

    Let’s make no mistake: BB is the greatest coach of all time. Chess/checkers & all the rest.

    Equally as true: BB is the most overrated GM of all time.

    He has never drafted that well. Most Patriots drafts of the past decade have been middlin’ at best. As for FA’s, he has always benefited from good & great players wanting to play w/ the GOAT QB, and often taking pay cuts to do so. We see that now w/ so many FA’s wanting to go to Tampa.

    He won’t have that anymore. BB the coach generally makes BB the GM look better than he is, since he can coach up anyone, but it’s going to be a very interesting new era in New England.

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    Umm, he built 2 dynasties by drafting well. From 2010-2012, he was having 2 picks in each rd for the first 3 rounds like it was an automatic. The yields were great. His 2014 and 2016 GM work overall were stuff of legend.

    Go look at his 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 drafts and even some others. His total body of work is stunning, with talent acquisition even from all areas, including UDFAs, is absolutely epic beyond belief.

    And, you want to tell us something different?

    You know who is overrated, super duper Bills fan? Bill Polian. He joined the COlts with the #1 pick in 1998 with Peyton Manning. Big deal. He then proceeded to have god awful defenses for 10 years, with Manning only winning 1 ring in Indy.

    THAT is overrated.

    End of discussion.

    You people just run your mouths with myths, no facts of any kind , and just complete jealousy as you’ve been brainwashed by a snivelling anti-BB media for so long, you can’t see straight.

    It’s pathetic. He’s the greatest GM in sports history. In the world. IN the world.

    Read it again, if need be.

  22. getyourownname says:
    March 31, 2020 at 10:19 am
    “Look, it’s just at the point where we have to make some moves and we just paid Dev; it’s just going to be really tough to really do anything, or get anything done in free agency if we don’t do this’”

    Remember this the next time Pats fans try to mock another team for being burdened by an excessive contract or being in cap hell.dont compare 20 years of winning with 6 super bowl wins to the cap hell other teams put themselves into .

  23. Look at the Rams, they went all in and sent themselves to cap hell to get to a single SB they lost.

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    Look at the Chief’s too $177.00 available after winning the SB. It seems for most teams, that going to the SB has the trade-off of cap hell. Bill has done it repeatedly without the cap issues.

  24. “It’s pathetic. He’s the greatest GM in sports history. In the world. IN the world.

    Read it again, if need be.”

    You’re in for a pretty big wake-up call. He’s had the GOAT QB – and beyond that, he’s had the GOAT QB who is willing to consistently work for less pay so they could afford more talent. AND that talent has wanted to flock to NE to play w/ the GOAT QB.

    Again – if you check any draft ranking for any period of time, the Pats fall squarely in the middle. He’s not the worst drafter, but he’s nowhere near the best. And his superior coaching ability bails him out of mediocre picks, because he’s able to scheme them into playing above their skill set.

    Middlin’ GM at best. It will become very apparent in the years ahead, without some of those advantages he has enjoyed.

  25. getyourownname says:
    March 31, 2020 at 10:19 am

    “Look, it’s just at the point where we have to make some moves and we just paid Dev; it’s just going to be really tough to really do anything, or get anything done in free agency if we don’t do this’”

    Remember this the next time Pats fans try to mock another team for being burdened by an excessive contract or being in cap hell.

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    This is not cap hell. It doesn’t exist in NE. The Rams, the Jets, Ravens, etc, many teams find themselves in cap jail the last 10 years. Denver is another since their SB.

    If you do that, you better win. Denver got lucky in 2015, the Rams were very unlucky in 2018, and KC snuck by with their build.

    The Pats aren’t gutted or lose their base. The closest they came to losing their base was in fact 2009. BB was changing away from the old guard” and haad to deal Seymour and Vrabel because those guys wanted to make the same kind of money. It caught him off guard a little like the Deion Branch thing in 2006, because that’s how delusional those players were, including a guy like Logan Mankins later on, so 2009 represents the worst in terms of it being a transition year wasted. Brady was rusty, predictably so, and then when Welker blew out is ACL, you could tell they didn’t have enough leadership anymore, so BB went all in for the Rookie Cap for a youth movement rebuild to do it right in and out of the Lockout.

    Next, he paid all his in-house guns the largest deals in the league in 2010: Brady, Mankins, Mayo and Wilfork. He then tagged Welker at 11.5 mil.

    So, even then, that wasn’t cap hell, but he’s ahead of the curve in terms of transitioning here. Unless Stidham sucks, there won’t be much of a downturn here.

    10-6+.

  26. Bill the GM also had multiple picks stolen from him in Spygate and the sham Deflategate.

    The ravens covered up a clear case of domestic abuse caught on tape (and denied seeing it), while the chiefs knowingly supported a guy that BROKE HIS TODDLER SON’S ARM! Zero picks lost for either team.

    Give the Pats back those picks and then evaluate their drafts.

  27. tylawspick6 says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:51 am

    …Kosar was already there and Modell wouldn’t let BB move on and start Testaverde.

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    Bill benched and then released Kosar. Testeverde was only there for three of Bill’s five seasons with the Browns (and he started two and a half of those three seasons). Nice try though.

  28. So, even then, that wasn’t cap hell, but he’s ahead of the curve in terms of transitioning here. Unless Stidham sucks, there won’t be much of a downturn here.
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    Stidham may be a good QB, but it won’t matter with super cheap Belichick.

    FYI, Rodgers couldn’t score even 380 points with Davante Adam and Aaron Jones. With super cheap Belichick, how many points can you expect from Stidham?

  29. getyourownname says:
    March 31, 2020 at 10:19 am

    “Look, it’s just at the point where we have to make some moves and we just paid Dev; it’s just going to be really tough to really do anything, or get anything done in free agency if we don’t do this’”

    Remember this the next time Pats fans try to mock another team for being burdened by an excessive contract or being in cap hell.

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    No, no, no, Super Bills Fan. Your team has never built a winner the entire time in the Cap Era.

    Listen to yourself. I’ve studied BB’s approaches for 15 years. Have you read Pats Cap Management Secrets? There is 2 volumes, but the first one is all you need.

    $100 you have never read it because you’re jealous of the Pats. I get it. I’d be jealous, too, but I would also admit that BB is the one that stirs the drink, not Brady.

    I just watched my GOAT QB essentially be distracted enough, he sabotaged my team’s season.

    I also watched JimmyG lead his team to a SB, after being developed by BB, and SF having the 2nd best defense in the league last year, behind NE.

    Why is it that 1 developed QB like JimmyG with very similar talent on paper, could manage a game and play well like a younger Brady would have, and Brady himself, couldn’t?

    Got me?

    So, if I know BB worked DAILY with Brady in 2001, on the fly with Cassel in 2008, and then Jimmy G DAILY, the only QBs BB has ever given this treatment to, and I’ve seen the results, what do you think that means?

    All of a sudden BB is going to suck developing a QB he likes?

    Are you honestly this obtuse? In a poker game, I’d be taking your chips all night long.

    For example, I can tell you right now Stidham will have a better career than Josh Allen simply because of WHERE Stidham is playing.

    Enjoy!

    The only thing Pats fans don’t know is how quickly Stidham can progress and if he has any of the magical intangibles Brady had. But, I saw BB go 11-5 with Matt Cassel on a team that had lost numerous key players on it from 2007-2008, including Hall of Famers like Rodney Harrison and Seau, or a really good player like Asante Samuel. And, Bruschi was old. He basically stayed on one more year as a favor to BB to transition Mayo over.

    This team in 2020, will have none of that as an issue.

    You people will obviously never get it.

  30. This couldn’t be a clearer case of cap consequences. NE is cooked, between their years of cheating and controversial calls which created a false dynasty, everything is finally catching up! Everything comes to an end, whether it was legitimate or not. Which in the case of the Patriots, we all know it was not!

  31. atthemurph says:
    March 31, 2020 at 11:42 am

    This couldn’t be a clearer case of cap consequences. NE is cooked, between their years of cheating and controversial calls which created a false dynasty, everything is finally catching up! Everything comes to an end, whether it was legitimate or not. Which in the case of the Patriots, we all know it was not!

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    Sure, sure. Your Chargers are historical chokers. Marlon McCree was stripped of the ball. Has nothing to do with any magical “cheating” that Goodell tells you happened, when it didn’t.

    As proven in a federal court.

  32. William Lee says:
    March 31, 2020 at 11:33 am

    So, even then, that wasn’t cap hell, but he’s ahead of the curve in terms of transitioning here. Unless Stidham sucks, there won’t be much of a downturn here.
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    Stidham may be a good QB, but it won’t matter with super cheap Belichick.

    FYI, Rodgers couldn’t score even 380 points with Davante Adam and Aaron Jones. With super cheap Belichick, how many points can you expect from Stidham?

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    Is “Super Cheap” code word for “Super Brilliant” for you?

    lmao

    Why is that a dumb franchise that overpays a NE player so stupidly to eventually send themselves into a cap hell, somehow meaning Belichick is “super cheap”?

    Are you honestly this much of a child? We have 20 years of proof no one knows the market better than BB, and somehow this means he’s cheap? This is like saying someone who is a fanastic day trader, moves onto another stock by selling one stock, and buying a more successful one, is doing something stupid and is cheap.

    LOL

    I mean, you people have yourselves twisted into a pretzel so badly you can’t even make a logical point.

    It’s hilarious.

    Brady was the worst player on the team last year in terms of reaching his own personal ceiling and NE went 12-4. With improved QB play, they can go 10-6 with a new, young QB with a year in the system, just like, wait for it, wait for it……..Tom Brady himself in 2001.

  33. So, if I know BB worked DAILY with Brady in 2001, on the fly with Cassel in 2008, and then Jimmy G DAILY, the only QBs BB has ever given this treatment to, and I’ve seen the results, what do you think that means?

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    and he didn’t work with Bledsoe?

    Did you ever hear those QB talkinga about Belichick? They all talk about Brady. What do you think that means?

    Again, Rodgers couldn’t score even 380 points with Davante Adam and Aaron Jones; Brees couldn’t score even 335 points in his first 2 seasons, even with LT.

    With super cheap Belichick, how many points can you expect from Stidham?

  34. KeepItReal says:
    March 31, 2020 at 11:23 am

    tylawspick6 says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:51 am

    …Kosar was already there and Modell wouldn’t let BB move on and start Testaverde.

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    Bill benched and then released Kosar. Testeverde was only there for three of Bill’s five seasons with the Browns (and he started two and a half of those three seasons). Nice try though.

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    What did I try to do? That’s what I said. BB wanted Testaverde. Modell wanted ticket sales and to not have the local kid ride the bench. BB wanted Testaverde and it was the only time the team started winning. Yes. That’s what I said.

    My goodness people can’t read.

    Also, BB groomed Testaverde into a Pro Bowl QB. That’s how far back BB’s work with QBs goes in terms of fixing them or developing them.

    You people are so jealous of what BB does as a GM and COach, you twist yourself into a pretzel.

    Even years later, Modell admitted how wrong he was not listening to BB about Kosar. LOL!

    Exposed.

  35. At least he got away from the Patriots before the Belichick scandals get revealed. He did run to Patricia who is also part of those scandals. Either way it was a lose, lose for Harmon, I mean he is on the Lions now.

  36. substanceoverceremony says:
    March 31, 2020 at 11:18 am

    Bill the GM also had multiple picks stolen from him in Spygate and the sham Deflategate.

    The ravens covered up a clear case of domestic abuse caught on tape (and denied seeing it), while the chiefs knowingly supported a guy that BROKE HIS TODDLER SON’S ARM! Zero picks lost for either team.

    Give the Pats back those picks and then evaluate their drafts.

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    Truth and fact.

    Even with Goodell cheating and helping other AFC teams by ignoring clear cheating like this Bluetooth thing with Baltimore right now or glossing over things with the Chiefs even up through last year, while framing NE to steal picks to weaken them as a plan to get more parity, makes BB’s work even more brilliant.

    It’s hilarious.

  37. William Lee says:
    March 31, 2020 at 11:55 am

    So, if I know BB worked DAILY with Brady in 2001, on the fly with Cassel in 2008, and then Jimmy G DAILY, the only QBs BB has ever given this treatment to, and I’ve seen the results, what do you think that means?

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    and he didn’t work with Bledsoe?

    Did you ever hear those QB talkinga about Belichick? They all talk about Brady. What do you think that means?

    Again, Rodgers couldn’t score even 380 points with Davante Adam and Aaron Jones; Brees couldn’t score even 335 points in his first 2 seasons, even with LT.

    With super cheap Belichick, how many points can you expect from Stidham?

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    He did work with Bledsoe. He then evaluated Bledsoe’s declining skills.You people have short memories.

    BB took heat for staying with Brady. 99% of coaches would have not done what BB did.

    His analysis of the 2 QBs was obviously spot on. I ask again, how is incredible salary allocation in a Cap Era, based on the market, equating to “cheap”?

    Are you honestly this dumb?

  38. BB wanted Testaverde and it was the only time the team started winning.

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    LOL, you mean when there were TWO 3-13 teams in the division, he started winning, like in 2008 with super easy schedule.

    I guess you are gonna claim that Brady deserved MVP for 2019 season with that squad.

  39. Let’s face it, Bill is a loser when Tom Brady is not the quarterback, period. Exclamation point.!

  40. At least he got away from the Patriots before the Belichick scandals get revealed. He did run to Patricia who is also part of those scandals. Either way it was a lose, lose for Harmon, I mean he is on the Lions now.

  41. BB took heat for staying with Brady. 99% of coaches would have not done what BB did.
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    tylawspick6,

    How many points do you think Stidham will be able to score in 16 games, given that Rodgers couldn’t score even 380 points with Davante Adam and Aaron Jones?

    Read following. #1 is the trick, and has nothing to do with Belichick.

    Belichick almost never talk to his QB and WR on sideline, but there are fans on profootball talk insist such a coach could design super complicated schemes that had fooled other coaches and QBs for 18 seasons.

    You see those downgrade the post of the list? THEY DOWNGRADE SIMPLE FACT, can you believe that?

    The following list is from reason to result : (e.g, #2 is the reason for #3)

    #1, Brady threw the balls at the earliest possible times.
    #2, He could score enough with dink n dunk.
    #3, He didn’t need top paid receivers and he didn’t need top paid O-line to hold more than 3 seconds.
    #4, Belichick didn’t have to overpay receivers and didn’t have to overpay O-line.
    #5, Bechick could build offense cheaply that played better in playoff than Peyton’s offense, than Brees offense, than Rodgers offense.

    Read the list in reverse order, that is how those people think and give all the credit to Belichick by claiming #2 is the result of #5.

    #1 doesn’t matter, because they don’t even know that how important timing is in QB’s plays, and claim “I can throw 5 yards, so I can do what Brady did”, like one fan asked me “You think Peyton couldn’t throw a 5 yards?” completely clueless.

  42. With super cheap Belichick, how many points can you expect from Stidham?
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    You gotta love this place. People here criticizing BB for overspending into “Cap Hell”, while this guy thinks BB is “super cheap”.

  43. Ok this is for all you Mensa members having difficulty comprehending. Take away Parcells and Brady from the “genius’” (lol) career and this is what you get; 5 years in Cleveland, 37-45 including 1-1 playoffs. 2 years in New England, 2000 when he went 5-11 and 2008 when he went 11-5 including zero playoffs both years. If you guys can add, that’s 53-61 with 1 playoff win and Zero Super Bowls. This guy is a fraud, and you are all drinking the koolaid. wake up ty

  44. You gotta love this place. People here criticizing BB for overspending into “Cap Hell”, while this guy thinks BB is “super cheap”.

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    LOL, “super cheap” on offense, OK?

    and now without Brady, he will be back to be “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points” kind of coach he used to be.

  45. didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    Ok this is for all you Mensa members having difficulty comprehending. Take away Parcells and Brady from the “genius’” (lol) career and this is what you get; 5 years in Cleveland, 37-45 including 1-1 playoffs. 2 years in New England, 2000 when he went 5-11 and 2008 when he went 11-5 including zero playoffs both years. If you guys can add, that’s 53-61 with 1 playoff win and Zero Super Bowls. This guy is a fraud, and you are all drinking the koolaid. wake up ty

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    BB was in the NFL before Parcells. His dad was an NFL player and scout as well. BB was light years ahead of Parcells, he just didn’t get a head coaching job before Parcells did.

    You clearly have not watch the 2 Bills documentary, When you watch that, it’s very clear who the better football mind is.

    BB was being carried off the field in 1986 after shutting out MOntana’s 9ers and blowing away the Skins in the playoffs.

    His SB 25 gameplan is on the wall in Canton at the HOF.

    You have it backwards.

    Parcells’s career is nothing without BBs. Nothing. And, Parcells knew it, too. It’s why his Jets contract was foribly tied to BB’s future employment with the Jets. LOL

    Exposed.

    As for BB’s work in Cleveland, it’s been documented ad nauseum how great he was cleaning house and rebuilding that program. In 3 years he had them at 10-6 and in the postseson in 1994. If he could have been supported and benched Kosar in 1992, instead of 1993, BB would have had the Browns 1 year ahead of the schedule he was on.

    BB has been in the NFL for 45 years and Parcells was not. Double LOL.

  46. I love the butthurt Tampa Bay Tommy fans who are now ripping Belichick for his track record almost 30 years ago. I mean just read what you’re saying! Lol.

    Not only are you wrong about Belichick but it’s not like players and coaches can’t improve. I mean for a while Brady’s “deep ball” usually involved cheerleaders ducking out of the way. Guess that guy will never amount to anything. Shoulda kept Bledsoe. 🤪

  47. As for Harmon… good luck to him. I wouldn’t call him anywhere near “great” like some people here have but he made some really clutch plays for us.

  48. William Lee says:
    March 31, 2020 at 12:02 pm

    BB wanted Testaverde and it was the only time the team started winning.

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    LOL, you mean when there were TWO 3-13 teams in the division, he started winning, like in 2008 with super easy schedule.

    I guess you are gonna claim that Brady deserved MVP for 2019 season with that squad.

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    Listen, William, a “super easy” schedule in the NFL isn’t a thing, not in the Cap Era.

    NE went on 2 different back to back west coast road trips that year, going 3-1.

    Teams can go from 12-4 to 4-12 in this league very quickly, so in season records have very little bearing on someone’s schedule parity cap era. Even division games are closer than the pre Cap Era (prior to 1993) because of the cap and parity.

    It was easier for the Montana 49ers in the 1980s to bludgeon the Saints or Falcons than it would be for the Pats to bludgeon the Jets, Bills or Dolphins today.

    No one has an “easy” schedule.

    Where your Bye falls and how many coast to coast trips you do have is more of importance than which 12-4 from last year, might end up 4-12 this year (or vice versa) based on how a team does within that season.

    There are very few absolutely horrendous teams in the league.

    Pre Cap Era, there were many more. Fact.

  49. didnthearwhat says:
    March 31, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    Ok this is for all you Mensa members having difficulty comprehending. Take away Parcells and Brady from the “genius’” (lol) career and this is what you get; 5 years in Cleveland, 37-45 including 1-1 playoffs. 2 years in New England, 2000 when he went 5-11 and 2008 when he went 11-5 including zero playoffs both years. If you guys can add, that’s 53-61 with 1 playoff win and Zero Super Bowls. This guy is a fraud, and you are all drinking the koolaid. wake up
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    As someone who watched BB coach in Cleveland, I mostly agree with this. BB with the Giants had with a super bowl ready defense when he became DC. He inherited the greatest LB of all-time, Lawrence Taylor, HOF’er Harry Carson & and should be HOF’er Carl Banks. Hard not to win with maybe the greatest linebacker group in NFL history. The offense just had to do their part. I don’t believe BB is a fraud, I believe he is very good actually. I do think he may be the luckiest NFL coach who ever lived, however.

    With the Browns, BB benched benched Testaverde for Eric Zeier, when Testaverde was the 3rd rated QB in the AFC. This was after BB benched Bernie Kosar for Testaverde. The team’s fortunes took a nosedive soon after. BB was 5-11 in New England the year before Brady started. The only reason Brady started at all was due to injury to Drew Bledsoe. Let’s face it, BB didn’t draft Brady in the 6th round thinking he would be the starter. Sixth round picks are usually camp fodder. BB didn’t become a “genius” until Brady became what he became.

  50. Nonsense! Belichick worked for the Giants D from ’79-’90. LT and CBanks came on after that. When Belichick was LBs coach. Cherry picking if he didn’t have this and this hadn’t happened is a specious argument. Like Walsh w/o Montana. Belichick had bad records his 1rst year with NE and Cleveland? Well, duh. That’s why the previous HCs got fired. He inherited bad teams and made them Championship contenders. The Browns were picked to win the SBowl by SI, before Modell pulled the plug and everyone quit. He’s the GOAT.

    Belichick being cheap is a myth. Pats spend to within 5 mil of the cap every year. He just doesn’t make his team top heavy by overpaying veterans. A big reason the Pats won the SBowl every other year is because their middle 20 players were better than everyone elses.

  51. To the Bills fan who lives on Patriots threads and thinks Belichick is a terrible GM. I find it ironic that you say this on a thread about Duron Harmon, a 6 year Patriots player that missed one game in all those years. Drafted in the 3rd round and considered a reach by Mel Kiper. Idiots mocked Belichick drafting so many Rutgers guys. He won three super bowls with the Patriots and went to a 4th. He had 17 career interceptions as a backup, most sealing victories or putting the Patriots in a position to win. Total team player.

    Bill drafted Brady with a compensatory 6th round pick and Edelman with a 7th rounder. He signed street free agents Malcolm Butler and David Andrews. He drafted Hightower and Chandler Jones in round 1 of 2012. He signed Gilmore to a rich contract when everyone said he doesn’t pay players. Bill’s recipe for building a winning is quite diverse.

    What all of those players share in common is that they filled roles for the Patriots and many left when they no longer fit. PFT posters called Bellichick a horrible GM for trading Jones but they won the super bowl without him and developed Trey Flowers to replace him.

    Bill doesn’t rely on stars to win. He relies on a team and Harmon is the perfect example of a team player.

  52. tedmurph says:
    March 31, 2020 at 3:17 pm

    Nonsense! Belichick worked for the Giants D from ’79-’90. LT and CBanks came on after that. When Belichick was LBs coach. Cherry picking if he didn’t have this and this hadn’t happened is a specious argument. Like Walsh w/o Montana. Belichick had bad records his 1rst year with NE and Cleveland? Well, duh. That’s why the previous HCs got fired. He inherited bad teams and made them Championship contenders. The Browns were picked to win the SBowl by SI, before Modell pulled the plug and everyone quit. He’s the GOAT.

    Belichick being cheap is a myth. Pats spend to within 5 mil of the cap every year. He just doesn’t make his team top heavy by overpaying veterans. A big reason the Pats won the SBowl every other year is because their middle 20 players were better than everyone elses.
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    I never said BB wasn’t a coach with the Giants, but when he became the DC he had probably the greatest LB corps of all-time. Plus I did say BB is a very good coach. I just feel he is overrated. He gets praise as a GM, but without his fluke 6th round HOF QB he has been very average in that regard. Everybody talks about his great draft picks like Brady & Gronk, but fail to mention his many draft busts. The only reason his cheapness has worked is due to Brady being so good. Brady may be the most clutch QB in NFL history. Without Brady, those 20 middle players you mention wouldn’t matter at all. BTW, Walsh targeted Montana after watching him get a comeback win in a bowl game. Walsh thought Montana would be a great fit in the offense he started to develop with Bengals when he was th OC there.

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