Jaguars scored with Jalen Ramsey trade, taking similar approach with Yannick Ngakoue

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During the 2019 season, it became clear that Jalen Ramsey was not long for Jacksonville. But the Jaguars, instead of openly shopping him, played it close to the vest and said they wouldn’t let go of Ramsey until they got the right price. Eventually, they got the right price: Two first-round picks and a fourth-round pick from the Rams.

Now the Jaguars hope to do the same with Yannick Ngakoue.

Mike Garafolo of NFL Media reports that the Jaguars have heard from multiple teams interested in trading for Ngakoue. But the Jaguars maintain that they won’t give Ngakoue away and will demand substantial value in return.

That’s consistent with how the Jaguars talked about Ramsey in the weeks leading up to his trade, and in the case of Ramsey it worked. Rather than rushing to trade Ramsey as soon as Ramsey started making noises about being an unhappy camper, the Jaguars took their time and got a good deal.

Ngakoue has already said he won’t sign a long-term deal with the Jaguars and wants to continue his career elsewhere, but that doesn’t mean the Jaguars don’t have any leverage in trade talks. Thanks to the franchise tag they have Ngakoue’s rights, and they can hold onto those rights until they get the price they want. Last year the Seahawks did something similar with Frank Clark, franchising him and then trading him just before the draft, when the Chiefs offered a first-round pick and a second-round pick.

What kind of compensation the Jaguars can get for Ngakoue remains to be seen, but the Jaguars have shown they’ll take their time in a trade until they get an offer to their liking.

35 responses to “Jaguars scored with Jalen Ramsey trade, taking similar approach with Yannick Ngakoue

  1. Don’t sleep on the Jaguars. If things go right, we could be 4-12 and threaten the Texans for 3rd place in the division.

  2. Don’t forget to mention the downside that comes with this: some teams never end up getting the price they want, and thus lose the player for much less or even nothing. That, for example, happened with Seattle and Earl Thomas; rather than take what would have become the 58th overall pick in 2019, Seattle held out for better, didn’t get it, and wound up with only with a compensation pick (101st overall) in 2020.

  3. They haven’t scored unless they get an excellent player with the 20th pick in the draft which, based on past drafts, is highly unlikely. People get too excited about draft picks. Ramsey is the real deal. The 20th pick will be someone like Adrian Clayborn, Kendall Wright, Darron Lee, Garrett Bolles, or Frank Ragnow. Eh, I’ll take Ramsey.

  4. Man I kinda forgot how much the Rams gave up for Ramsey. And I don’t think he signed a new deal or extension so the Rams gave up all that and then they gotta pay up knowing if they don’t resign him, they effectively gave away all those top picks

  5. I mean, Jalen Ramsey and Yannick Ngakoue were the two best players on that elite 2017 defense, and both still in their mid-20s. So is trading them away for draft picks really a win?

    If the Jaguars don’t want to play their best two players of the past decade In the prime of their careers, who are they saving the money for?

  6. Yes, but the question becomes are there any team as foolish enough as the Rams to give two first round picks without signing the player to a new contract first? Oh, and now how does that trade look?

  7. Maybe the Jags should be asking themselves why all their stars want to play anywhere else.

  8. I don’t see them getting Frank Clark value for him. Probably similar to what the Chiefs got for Dee Ford.

  9. If drafting talent and trading it away equated to Super Bowl victories the Jaguars would have a full trophy case

  10. Those credit card bills are sitting in a huge pile at the Rams head office…..I don’t think you get an offer like that from anybody, even for a top player at a premium position.

  11. scoreatwill says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:58 am
    Yes, but the question becomes are there any team as foolish enough as the Rams to give two first round picks without signing the player to a new contract first?

    Yes… the Texans have this guy, Bill O’Brien, and he’s your huckleberry

  12. This is why the franchise tag needs to go away. They had several seasons to either resign or trade and they shouldn’t be able to just tag a player keeping him from his big pay day just to get compensation for him that is what the comp picks are supposed to be for. The franchise tag was intended for teams to use for players they are intending to keep but couldn’t get a deal agreed upon on time. I hope no teams give them the compensation they are looking for and they are stuck with him this year and get stuck with their 3rd round comp pick next year.

  13. Eagles should steer clear. They need to get younger and cheaper. While Ngakoue is young, he will not be cheap and the Eagles are already top heavy enough.

  14. Cagey. Might mess around and win something one of these days.
    LA will come to regret that Ramsey deal…

  15. Something tells me that if the Rams had two more 1st rounders and another 4th they’d do it again, too.

  16. I never understand why a team would trade 2 number on picks and then have to break the bank to sign the person; thus, wrecking the future drafts and salary cap at the same time. Khalil Mack has been a difference maker with the Bears, but at what cost? The Rams are cash straped and will have to cut more players most likely to sign Jalen Ramsey.

  17. On Ramsey: he won’t want to be on that likely last place team and will want out anyway.

    On Ngakoue: at worst, the Jags can tag him twice, thus getting 4 years on the 3rd round rookie contract and 2 years at the franchise tag price. Over 6 years, the AAV is pretty good. They can let him walk and get a comp pick, probably a 3rd rounder. He has little leverage.

  18. chickensalad43 says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:53 am
    I mean, Jalen Ramsey and Yannick Ngakoue were the two best players on that elite 2017 defense, and both still in their mid-20s. So is trading them away for draft picks really a win?

    If the Jaguars don’t want to play their best two players of the past decade In the prime of their careers, who are they saving the money for?
    _________

    A guy like Nick Foles

  19. razzlejag says:
    March 31, 2020 at 11:25 am
    On Ramsey: he won’t want to be on that likely last place team and will want out anyway.

    On Ngakoue: at worst, the Jags can tag him twice, thus getting 4 years on the 3rd round rookie contract and 2 years at the franchise tag price. Over 6 years, the AAV is pretty good. They can let him walk and get a comp pick, probably a 3rd rounder. He has little leverage.
    _______

    On Yannick, you forgot to mention the part where he has no interest in playing for the Jags. He will Melvin Gordon the Jags but the difference is there will always be a market for pass rushers.

  20. Smells like Miami Marlins over here. Yannick is really good, so whichever team grabs him will be very pleased.

  21. For anyone saying why didnt the Jaguars work out a deal for him they tried to they offered him 19 million a year last year and he laughed at them and said he wanted 23 million a year. This was after a year when his production had dropped, then after all that this year comes around and they are still offering him top dollar after he was out played by a rookie who played less snaps.

    If you wanna know what happened to the 2017 Jaguars you’re looking at it Yannick, Ramsey and Telvin Smith’s egos took over the locker room and Coughlin over stepped and undercut the coach. The Jaguars offered fair value for a DE who averaged 8 sacks a year and is average at best against the run.

  22. Similar situation Raiders had with Mack, which turned out well. Jags can get a nice haul of picks for their rebuild

  23. jasons81 says:
    March 31, 2020 at 10:09 am
    If drafting talent and trading it away equated to Super Bowl victories the Jaguars would have a full trophy case.

    —-

    as a Jags fan, that’s the realist analogy ever.

  24. The Jags need to get a coach that won’t push all the good players out the door. You’re just spinning your wheels if all the studs want out.

  25. Can only trade a player if he signs the Tag, which he won’t unless he is going to a team he wants. He will wait till after the draft, maybe wait till week 8, get a full year credit and limit the chance of an injury hurting his value next year.

    What do you really think his trade value is after the draft or week 8?

    Bad teams stay bad for a reason.

  26. jasons81 says:
    March 31, 2020 at 10:24 am

    Yes… the Texans have this guy, Bill O’Brien, and he’s your huckleberry

    ==========

    Texans already traded 2020 and 2021 1sts for Tuensil without an extension. He would if he could but he can’t because he already did. Unless the Jaguars wants picks from 3 years out, BOB doesn’t have the ammo.

    Tuensil has already been offered market setting money and turned it down because it wasn’t enough.

  27. @fearsome4 says:
    March 31, 2020 at 9:43 am
    They haven’t scored unless they get an excellent player with the 20th pick in the draft which, based on past drafts, is highly unlikely. People get too excited about draft picks. Ramsey is the real deal. The 20th pick will be someone like Adrian Clayborn, Kendall Wright, Darron Lee, Garrett Bolles, or Frank Ragnow. Eh, I’ll take Ramsey.
    =============================
    Still have to negotiate a new contract with Ramsey. He’s gonna want to reset the market. He’s arrogant enough to try. Oh and you didn’t mention next year’s 1st round pick which currently will probably be higher than 20th, perhaps top 12. The Rams will be that bad. And if you thought he had a bad back in DuuValll, just wait.

  28. how about packaging him and the ninth pick for the number 3 overall and take tua

    did someone compare him to slay? so the lions only called one team? that was about team culture

  29. Only because the Rams were idiots and handed their bloomers in the deal. Enjoy your first and last year at SoFi Stadium Les.

  30. “So what team will be as crazy and reckless as the Rams were in dealing for Ramsey?”

    I think you just answered your question.

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