PED suspension should have excluded Patrick Peterson from all-decade team

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The NFL unveiled its latest team of the decade on Monday. And one name stands out, for reasons that are far from ideal.

Cornerback Patrick Peterson made the team, even though he was suspended for six games of the 2019 season for violating the PED policy, in two ways. First, he tested positive for a PED. Second, he tested positive for a masking agent aimed at covering up PED use.

Although the league names the all-decade team, the six-game suspension did not disqualify Peterson. The provision barring players who violate the PED policy from any league-awarded honors like the Pro Bowl applies only to the year in which the suspension is imposed. It doesn’t block the player from awards covering multiple seasons.

Still, as Simms argued during Tuesday’s PFT Live, Peterson’s violation should have caused the voters (the Hall of Fame selectors) to take a dimmer view of his achievements. The fact that he used both a PED and a masking agent suggests that it wasn’t the first time he cheated and then tried to cover up the cheating. It’s possible, if not likely, that he had been successfully covering up PED use until the testing caught up with the masking agent and exposed the ruse.

Was it two years? Three years? His entire career? Should Peterson get the benefit of the doubt?

Arguably, he shouldn’t. Arguably, the all-decade honor should have gone to someone who hasn’t cheated and then tried to cover up the cheating.

It’s just another example of the reaction from most fans and media to football players who use PEDs. Most people have come to accept it as part of the effort to recover from the weekly grind or otherwise compete in a sport premised on physical violence.

Regardless, the players who don’t use PEDs should be upset that others with a track record of cheating and then trying to cover up the cheating receive awards for performances that, at a minimum, fall under a thick cloud of suspicion.

76 responses to “PED suspension should have excluded Patrick Peterson from all-decade team

  1. I am pretty sure that Simms would know that Steroids and other PEDs are prevalent in football and I am sure he has many friends and teamates who have done it at least once in their football career. Saying a person should not win an award when they were caught and punished is silly. The percentage of players that have done it at some point is way to high to be that judgmental over one suspension.

  2. It’s almost like Rodney Harrison didn’t turn his cheating career (on a cheating team) into a lucrative deal with NBC.

  3. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This is no different than when Julian Edelman got caught cheating with PEDs and then was named as Super Bowl MVP that same season.

  4. Simms, that logic doesn’t apply to Richard Sherman and his “PED” suspension for taking Adderall? I’m not saying this a big deal nor do I agree with you in any shape, way, or form…ever! Sherman’s excuse alone should of gotten him suspended for an additional 4 games. But, if you’re calling out players you can’t not call them all out.

  5. gotitan says:
    April 7, 2020 at 1:38 pm
    He didn’t smash his phone when being told to turn it over for review.

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    Did they review Andrew Luck’s phone? After all, all of his footballs except one were found to be under-inflated as well. Why was he not punished? Did the weather impact only the Colts’ footballs?

    And more to the point, what fool would give Goodell and the NFL their device containing personal information?

  6. I guess your poster boy Brady should be excluded for cheating also.
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    He did? In the court of law the suspension was thrown out and laughed at. I guess your blind hatred did not let you see such a thing. Speaking of posters, did you kiss your Brady fathead today?

  7. Tom Brady was suspended for cheating too. Deflating footballs probably gave him a better edge than anyone taking PED’s.

  8. rasalas says:

    April 7, 2020 at 1:20 pm

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ This is no different than when Julian Edelman got caught cheating with PEDs and then was named as Super Bowl MVP that same season.
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    My thoughts exactly. If you’re going to draw lines on things that exclude you, well, that’s a dangerous slippery slope.

  9. I guess your poster boy Brady should be excluded for cheating also.
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    Here’s a thought so you can stop embarrassing yourself, why don’t you learn the laws of seventh grade physics that show there was no tampering , so you won’t continue to embarrass yourself. You should have plenty of time during this quarantine for the COVID-19 virus.

  10. dannywhite11 says:

    April 7, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    I guess your poster boy Brady should be excluded for cheating also.
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    He did? In the court of law the suspension was thrown out and laughed at. I guess your blind hatred did not let you see such a thing. Speaking of posters, did you kiss your Brady fathead today?
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    Uh, so what about the appeal court that reinstated the suspension?…did your lack of blind hatred not let you see such a thing? lol

  11. The NFL should have a zero-tolerance policy for PEDs, domestic violence, DWIs, etc.. Playing in the league is a privilege, not an entitlement. If players aren’t going to do the right thing, cut them loose. No appeal, no timed suspension. Just bye-bye. The league should set an ultra-high standard for the ultra-high salaries players earn from the ultra-high ticket prices the public pays.

  12. gotitan says:
    April 7, 2020 at 1:38 pm
    He didn’t smash his phone when being told to turn it over for review.

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    Actually, Brady was specifically told the phone wouldn’t be needed by the league. Then, after he told the NFL that his phone had been destroyed, they decided that destroying the phone would be held against him.

    BTW, Brady wasn’t “suspended for cheating”. It’s not really clear what the ultimate charge was against him, since the NFL repeatedly changed the accusation, based on which legal venue they were in. I think that ultimately he was charged with “refusing to cooperate”, which was itself a b.s. charge.

    It also should be noted that there was no actual scientific basis for the cheating accusation. As has been explained time and again by basically everybody with knowledge of high school gas laws, the evidence (poorly collected by the NFL) was consistent with a lack of tampering. Also, the evidence clearly showed that the Patriots’ footballs were _not_ handled in the same manner as the Colts’ footballs. Also there is direct evidence of mis-recording data in the data that was presented. In addition to the lack of initial evidence and, of course, the NFL itself destroying the relevant data (when Walt Anderson bizarrely ordered that the footballs in question be re-inflated). AND the NFL spent the next fall replicating the testing conditions of that day and, curiously, decided to never reveal the results they got.

    Basically the idea of charging Brady or anybody with anything (keep in mind that there was only a presumption that Brady must have known, not any actual evidence linking him to any purported crime) based on the pile of dreck that the NFL compiled is completely ridiculous.

    That a large number of fans of other NFL teams think cheating was “proven” makes me sad about the state of science education in this country.

  13. I’m a big Cards fan, and have been a fan of Peterson’s when he’s managed to be a fan of the team as well, and when he has refrained from cheating. He doesn’t belong on the list.

    He can’t be counted on, it’s as simple as that. Did he show solidarity with the team when he was letting Prime talk endless smack about Peterson getting out of AZ ? No, he rode with it.

    Whether he wants out, whether he’s hurt, whether he’s taking this or that game off (while playing), he is way too inconsistent to be considered anything other than Unreliable Player of the Decade. Sorry.

    Most Cards fans I know would trade Peterson to get the Honey Badger back in a New York minute.

  14. As to Mr. Florio’s argument: if players are allowed on the field, they should be recognized for their play on the field. Withholding honors after they’ve been allowed to play doesn’t make much sense.

    And why single out Peterson?

  15. SWFLPC.INC says:
    April 7, 2020 at 1:54 pm
    gotitan says:
    April 7, 2020 at 1:38 pm
    He didn’t smash his phone when being told to turn it over for review.

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    Did they review Andrew Luck’s phone? After all, all of his footballs except one were found to be under-inflated as well. Why was he not punished? Did the weather impact only the Colts’ footballs?

    And more to the point, what fool would give Goodell and the NFL their device containing personal information
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    Just because you want it to be true doesn’t make it true. Make up what you want. That’s what most patriot fans do anyway.

  16. Athletes are always looking for an edge and most of these guys do something to enhance their performance. Most, however, don’t beat women and children so let’s focus our confusion on Tyreek Hill as that guy doesn’t belong to be on any team.

  17. Whoever picked this team isn’t really paying any attention to who did what, when adrian peterson, the child beater is on the team, and didn’t von miller make the cut as well? Another member of the oops I got caught on steroids club?

    And I’m in agreement on tyreek hill, should be working the local car wash after what he did.

  18. Why, everyone knew LT was high as a kite when he played, but he was definitely all decade.

  19. Uh, so what about the appeal court that reinstated the suspension?…did your lack of blind hatred not let you see such a thing? lol
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    Apparently you slept through that. They did not reinstate the suspension. They agreed Goodell could enforce Article 46 and punish as he saw fit with or without evidence. Are you really this dumb?

  20. Just because you want it to be true doesn’t make it true. Make up what you want.
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    You literally do this. Stop your Brady and Patriots obsession.

  21. @Datdude84

    I don’t agree with PED use and I don’t always like how Richard Sherman represents himself and other players but that said Sherman was never suspended. It was overturned during his appeal.

    Much like the criminal justice system I’m prepared to say a man is innocent until proven guilty.

  22. whispersd just gave a comprehensive, fact-based argument regarding deflategate and has more thumbs down because haters would rather embarrass themselves while denying science instead of coming to the clear conclusion that the Pats did absolutely nothing wrong.

  23. Just because you want it to be true doesn’t make it true. Make up what you want. That’s what most patriot fans do anyway.
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    Legitimately everything he said in his post was accurate. They tested 4 Colts balls (instead of 12 bc of “time”) and 3 of them were underinflated. What’s not true about that? I’ll wait

  24. 7th grade science is superceded by 3rd grade logic. Weather and human deflation are not mutually exclusive. How stupid are you guys, really?

  25. I think a lot of people are missing the point of this article! P.P. Used a masking agent to cover up the PED or substance he was NOT suppose to use. I think that qualifies as the premeditated approach to break the rules.

    Put him on the All Decade and All Century list of Players in the NFL.

    Oh, don’t forget to put him on the list for All decade players that used a masking agent to cover up PED’S. That’s only fair to the players that didn’t get caught or did use PEDS!

  26. dannywhite11 says:

    April 7, 2020 at 2:29 pm

    Uh, so what about the appeal court that reinstated the suspension?…did your lack of blind hatred not let you see such a thing? lol
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    Apparently you slept through that. They did not reinstate the suspension. They agreed Goodell could enforce Article 46 and punish as he saw fit with or without evidence. Are you really this dumb?
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    Thanks for the kind words. Name calling is always a good sign of high character. I also appreciate your detail in semantics. Let me try again (since I’m dumb)…Reversing a lower court’s decision had the EFFECT of reinstating the suspension. Better? That’s why he served the suspension. My point was, what you said was more than a tad misleading in suggesting that the legal system vindicated Mr. Brady.

  27. So… the spot should have gone to an inferior player who was better at covering up his PED use?

  28. aj66shanghai says:

    April 7, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    7th grade science is superceded by 3rd grade logic. Weather and human deflation are not mutually exclusive. How stupid are you guys, really?

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    smart enough to know that “superceded” is bad English.

  29. So should of Tom Brady’s 4 game suspension for blatant cheating, which causes one to question the integrity of the games.

  30. andymannfl says:
    April 7, 2020 at 3:38 pm
    aj66shanghai says:

    April 7, 2020 at 3:15 pm

    7th grade science is superceded by 3rd grade logic. Weather and human deflation are not mutually exclusive. How stupid are you guys, really?

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    smart enough to know that “superceded” is bad English.

    *********

    I can catch and palm a basketball in each hand. The downside is that sometimes I make errors in the placement of my fat fingers. That does not change the fact that I can deflate a ball then set it outside and watch it deflate further, genius.

  31. His 2014 should remove him from consideration;

    110+ qb rating against him
    61 completion%
    8 touchdowns allowed

    Worst All-Decade corner ever?

  32. Poor Andy. You have nothing so now you criticize bad English. Judge Berman did in fact vindicate Brady of cheating. Even the NFL admitted under oath they had no evidence Brady cheated. So yes, I still believe you are stupid.

  33. and you could make a case to exclude at least half the names on the all-decade based on character, cheating, (alleged)child beatings, etc.

  34. dannywhite11 says:
    April 7, 2020 at 1:57 pm
    I guess your poster boy Brady should be excluded for cheating also.
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    He did? In the court of law the suspension was thrown out and laughed at. I guess your blind hatred did not let you see such a thing. Speaking of posters, did you kiss your Brady fathead today?
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    The U.S. Court of Appeals didn’t laugh. They reinstated the suspension. Even if you believe Brady is innocent, you have to admit that too many things happened that made it look otherwise.

  35. Deflategate debates again??!! Too Funny…
    I find it MORE PROBABLE THAN NOT that the fans of other teams are just jealous & envious of the Patriots unparalleled success…. That has to be quite DEFLATING for them….
    FYI: The league had ZERO PROOF of any cheating & thats why the case was dismissed, & the NFL turned it into an article 47 issue that the NFL had the right to instill whatever punishment it wanted based on the collective bargaining agreement & THAT is what ultimately was upheld by the courts, NOT ANY FORM OF GUILT WHATSOEVER….which allowed Roger to save face & punish Brady & the Patriots…. he had to do it to prove HE was the ultimate finality not the court system in regards to burden of proof or not…& to justify the 5+ million they spent on the witch hunt…..
    Why didnt the NFL show the results of the findings of a year long study AFTER when they swore full disclosure & transparency….. you dont need to be Einstein to figure that one out!!!!

  36. I hope people realize that in order for a federal judgment to be overturned, it requires a higher burden of proof. Therefore the fact it was successfully overturned says something about the legitimacy of the league’s case against Brady. I don’t care what the official charge was (obstruction of justice IIRC), its connected to the fact the league believes Brady to be responsible. Now those who says there was no texts on anybody’s phones, that is false. Two low level staffers got roped into the whole scandal because they had the incriminating texts. They were even joking about deflating balls in the texts and calling themselves silly nicknames in connection to said scandal. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

    Now you guys can go back to arguing like third graders.

  37. Dear Brady haters, here is the key moment from the deflategate court case:

    Judge Berman: “What evidence…on January 18?”
    NFL lawyer Nash: “No, not for that specific game.”
    Judge Berman: “The Wells report relates to only one game. There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady.”

    The 2nd court didn’t “re-instate” anything, because the 2nd court was a “de novo” case – essentially a new case which didn’t reconsider the first case or whether Brady was guilty because (as the NFL admitted in the 1st case) the NFL had no evidence against him. Instead what the 2nd court did was assess Goodell’s rights to suspend as he sees fit under the CBA.

  38. No Patriot ever heard the words “Ideal Gas Law” until Deflategate happened. Now they’re all experts.

  39. “What about Aaron Rodgers as alternate? He ADMITTED a long term PSI cheating scheme.”

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    He did not, actually. He said he preferred his footballs a bit underinflated. If Brady is not guilty, by your own standard, it makes little sense to implicate Rodgers, especially considering that he and Rodgers are both on record as saying the same thing-that they liked underinflated footballs. The NFL allows teams to do that, within a range. As you know, Brady was implicated in the scandal because he supposedly deflated the balls below that range. So preferring that balls be lower inflated is hardly a qualifier to be considered a cheater-if so, then Brady is quite guilty himself just based on that. The rule was changed to allow this in 2006, when Brady himself made the argument for letting quarterbacks use their own footballs. So, having a “preference” for lower pressure footballs is not enough to be considered a cheater. If it is, Brady’s just as guilty.

    And yes, PED suspensions (not allegations, but suspensions) should preclude a player from any sort of official NFL honor. You can’t punish something for the reason that it impacts your legacy and still allow the guilty parties to use it to build their legacy. If your position is that it hurts the game, you should not allow it to advertise for the game. It would purely punitive, not an argument against the player’s abilities on the field. That would drive home the point that the PEDs are the reason the player is not recognized, and that players caught using will not be considered everyday guys after they serve their suspensions. It seems hypocritical to honor people you suspend for cheating. It’s not outside character actions, it’s directly related to the game, and that’s the NFL’s purview to monitor.

  40. Now those who says there was no texts on anybody’s phones, that is false.
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    Try reading that post again. That was in reference to Brady texting them, not each other. My goodness. Quit trying to act smart on here.

  41. No Patriot ever heard the words “Ideal Gas Law” until Deflategate happened. Now they’re all experts.
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    The NFL never tested for ball deflation before that game either. The funny thing is at least the Pats fans read up on the Ideal Gas Law afterwards to understand it while others keep saying such a thing does not exist. Your Steelers had some balls below 12.5 PSI in a game yet nothing happened. Why is this?

  42. Most people have come to accept it as part of the effort to recover from the weekly grind or otherwise compete in a sport premised on physical violence.
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    Yeah, that’s it…recovery. That’s why they use performance enhancing drugs. The fact the drugs allow the players to become better, stronger faster (unashamed Bionic Man reference) so they can keep their job over a guy who isn’t cheating is just a side effect of using rather than the intention.

  43. Uhh… the texts were to Brady. Yes there were texts exchanged between Brady and the equipment guys. Then Brady destroyed his phone before the NFL could ask to see it. Yep, actions of an innocent man.

    And I’m the guy who thinks it means nothing to his legacy. He’s the GOAT regardless of how you slice it, but yes he’s guilty.

  44. I’m amazed at how deep and intense the fan feelings continue to be for the whole Deflate Gate thing.

  45. These Patriot fans have been in full-blown meltdown mode since Vrabel schooled Belichick.

  46. datdude84 says:

    Simms, that logic doesn’t apply to Richard Sherman and his “PED” suspension for taking Adderall?
    ================================================

    Yeah, they were all using the Adderall excuse for about a year. What’s funny is there’s a couple of you who still believe it.

  47. BTW Also wanted to add that whoever said Rodgers prefers underinflated balls, that is also false. He’s on record stating his preference for OVERinflated balls.

    That’s what I’m here for,correcting false statements.

  48. Uhh… the texts were to Brady. Yes there were texts exchanged between Brady and the equipment guys. Then Brady destroyed his phone before the NFL could ask to see it. Yep, actions of an innocent man.
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    You seem fairly well researched on the subject, but this is just wrong. They asked for Brady’s phone and he made it blatantly obvious that under no circumstances was he going to turn over his phone and set that precedence. After that was made clear, he upgraded his phone like all celebrities do every few months. Mind you he was never told that not turning over his phone would result in a 4-game suspension.

    Fast forward to the appeal and Brady/his lawyer provided call logs to the NFL. They decided not to look into those because it would take too much time. This was the excuse given after 6 months and $5M spent…..

  49. When the NFL FAILED IN COURT to show that ANY TYPE OF DISHONESTY OCCURRED the COURT found for Brady…. THE NFL THEN appealed the judges ruling & CHANGED ITS APPROACH challenging that the NFL had the right under article 47 of the collective bargaining agreement To rule as it will in regards to players eligibility to play even if no proof existed & was only suspected….they then used the BRADY DESTROYED his phone story to say that he obstructed the investigation…. HOWEVER, Brady was PREVIOUSLY TOLD during his original interrogation that his phone records were not needed AND he even offered to supply all correspondence in written form from his phone records & the NFL said no, it would be too labor intensive to go through …..
    The text messages between the two employees was just that…. between them & NOT BRADY….& taken out of context to meet an agenda…. you know, like Mort saying the balls were 2-21/2 pounds under inflated when they BARLEY WERE ….Mark B literally tearing up as he squeezed the footballs on BSPN SHOWING FALSE visual effects based on Morts inaccuracies??? The League played the sheeple & the TRUTH didnt matter anymore…. & apparently it STILL DOESN’T to many which while sad doesn’t surprise me….. The Pats have been great for too long, it couldnt be because they were better, they must of cheated….
    Did the Pats fumble more after deflategate???
    Did Brady go on to win 2 of 3 more SuperBowls after Deflategate??

  50. That’s what I’m here for,correcting false statements.
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    Except thinking Brady texted the equipment guys. If I text you and then I destroy my phone does my text to you mysteriously disappear from your phone? So if Brady did text the equipment guys they would have the texts on their phones. Correct? Why can you not see this. We are here to tell you you are wrong. Plain and simple.

  51. So Brady never texted them to instruct them to get rid of evidence? Now that’s just blindly ignoring reality here.

  52. Deflategate was completely fabricated from start to finish.

    All other opinions are complete trash and should be treated as such.

    Carry on.

  53. Christopher Allan says:
    April 7, 2020 at 4:20 pm
    dannywhite11 says:
    April 7, 2020 at 1:57 pm
    I guess your poster boy Brady should be excluded for cheating also.
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    He did? In the court of law the suspension was thrown out and laughed at. I guess your blind hatred did not let you see such a thing. Speaking of posters, did you kiss your Brady fathead today?
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    The U.S. Court of Appeals didn’t laugh. They reinstated the suspension

    ——
    They also said it was not their place to judge whether it happened or not. They vacated the lower court decision for one reason by their own words- precedent that the arbitrators decision in the workplace is final. Goodell even said himself that is why they appealed it

    #facts

  54. There’s only one way to say this:

    Brady haters don’t hate him because he may or may not have played with footballs 11 or 12 psi. They know that didn’t matter.

    They hate him because he’s the winningest player of all time and they are not Patriot fans. His whole era of dominance is amazing for us, and downright exhausting for them.

    Just read some of these desperate posts with the crazy screen names. Brady owns them.

    Childish, yes, but strangely understandable.

  55. Peterson reminds me of MLB’s Ryan Braun and mind you, I’m a Wisconsin guy and big Brewers’ fan.

    Both have done little to warrant such an award since they were caught cheating and in my book, invalidates anything they did prior. Look, both used masking agents which makes it clear that they made a conscious decision to cheat and based on that fact alone I’d both should have any prior accolades taken away.

    Yeah, Patrick was a beast juicing, just as Braun was, not so much after. Same goes for any professional athlete caught juicing. You cannot reward bad behavior.

    Henry Aaron still owns the HR record too. Just so you know.

  56. So Brady never texted them to instruct them to get rid of evidence? Now that’s just blindly ignoring reality here.
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    The NFL had the other two phones. If texts were deleted from Brady do you not think that a mobile forensic investigator could find the deleted texts? Now that is just you blindly ignoring reality. Also the call logs would show texts going to one phone from to the other phone. Why didn’t any #s match up between the three phones?

  57. Brady haters show their bias when they aren’t upset that the Colts openly admitted to tampering with a Pats football during the same AFCCG. Its in the Wells report. If they are mad at Brady, they must be furious the Colts got off with nothing.

    Also their arguments ignore Goodell’s obvious perjury, lying to the public, hiis bad track record of conducting investigations, numerous conflicts of interest and, of course, simple physics and scientific method problems. Facts.

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