David Carr chides Jameis Winston for training choices

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One is a former first overall pick whose career as a starter ended after five years. The other is a former first overall pick whose career as a starter may be ending after five years, but he’s trying his best to keep that from happening.

On Thursday, they engaged in a back-and-forth on Twitter.

It started when video of a workout regimen that consisted of free-agent quarterback Jameis Winston dodging an oversized speed bag, swung in his direction by a trainer. David Carr, who works as an analyst with the NFL, called Winston out for the exercise.

“Stop paying your friends to train you,” Carr said. “Get some help. I’ve been in a lot of collapsing pockets and never once did I have defenders just flying at my head.” Carr capped his message with a crying laughter emoji.

Before Winston could respond, former NFL quarterback Danny Kanell chimed in.

This is lame criticism of Jameis,” Kanell told Carr. “He’s working his butt off to get another shot. I think he gets it too and proves a lot of his critics wrong.”

“He will get another shot,” Carr responded. “The exercise is still completely useless. Two things can be true. In fact, not saying something just insures [sic] that he continues doing it or worse, younger players copy it.”

Replied Kanell, “Half the exercises at the combine are useless too. I think the drill could add value. It’s not like it’s giving anyone bad habits!”

That’s when Jameis got involved, with a request for Carr.

“Hey bro I have nothing but love for you!” Winston said to Carr. “Reach out to help or mind your business though. I’ve been working with my personal trainer since I was 14! We built this from the bottom and we’re still building. Treat others how you want to be treated bro!”

Winston added a clip of a play capped by the former Buccaneers quarterback having the awareness to slide under a hit, demonstrating (in his view) the value of the exercise.

Regardless of whether the exercise actually helps Winston, Carr’s decision to call Winston out seems odd, and hypocritical. Carr and his brother, Derek, resent criticism of any kind, routinely blocking on social media anyone who says anything they don’t like. To the extent that current and former NFL quarterbacks are members of a fraternity, David Carr arguably should raise his concerns privately, or say nothing.

Then again, maybe David has decided to take shots at Jameis because David realizes that Winston has a higher ceiling at the quarterback position than Derek, and that maybe Raiders coach Jon Gruden and G.M. Mike Mayock will eventually figure that out.

34 responses to “David Carr chides Jameis Winston for training choices

  1. David who – one of the biggest busts ever criticizing a guy trying to avoid being just as big of a bust? Stay in your lane Carr, you had your chance and did your best impression of a deer in the headlights. Not a big fan of Jameis, but at least he still has a shot at redeeming himself.

  2. Criticizing players like Amari Cooper and Jamies Winston when they had NO control of their situation is total garbage,,,

  3. Wait, didn’t David Carr lead the league in being sacked? Oh, this is way too funny. Maybe David Carr needed somebody, anybody to work out with him to avoid everybody??? Lol & rotf!

  4. David Carr vs. James Winston with Danny Kanell chiming in

    I almost fell asleep just typing that.

  5. From Kanell’s Wikipedia page:

    “He threw two touchdowns and five interceptions on 103 pass attempts.”

    So maybe he’s not the guy to listen to.

  6. Imagine being considered one of the biggest busts in history with a career record of 23-56 and making fun of a guy who led the league in passing yards lmao

  7. Based on things I’ve seen Carr say before, he throws out comments with the sole purpose of stoking the fire. The only alternative explanation is he has no clue what he’s talking about. Either interpretation suggests that no one should be taking this guy seriously.

  8. I guess the Tampa Castaway is training for a shot in the XFL OR CFL…
    He need a drill to help him throw the ball to his own team!

  9. Mayock also knows Jameis has a very low floor, much lower than Derek.

    But David Carr was out of line here. He needs to mind his own business.

  10. He’s not training for football. He watched Gronk at Wrestlemania and is looking at all those 225lb wrestlers like Danial Bryant and knows that he can switch over and beat them all. He training for it. Ain’t no rules about head shots in wrestling!

  11. It’s especially hypocritical given that David had a reputation for being “last to arrive, first to leave” at practice during his time in Houston. In other words, his work ethic sucked.

  12. David Carr must have forgotten just how bad he was as a QB in the NFL. Why any network would hire a player who was so bad at his position is beyond me. Carr never threw more than 16 TD and had two seasons where he had just 9 TD but had 13 and 14 INT. How did Carr even get a chance to be a backup QB… The only time Carr had a decent QB rating was when he was back up for Eli (9-12-144 QBR) other than that his QB Rating was in the 60-70 range.

  13. I know Winston has thrown a lot of picks but he has been a WAY better QB than both Carr brothers. David is a joke and has no right to judge anyone’s workout or career. There’s a reason why he’s been a talking head for so long he couldn’t cut let alone lead the league in passing yards.

  14. I don’t get David Carr’s critism. Jameis’s workout may or may not be effective but what business is that of yours? And frankly your career hasn’t been much better at this point

  15. Funny Carr gets criticized for doing exactly what everyone here does to everyone every day. But he actually played the position.

    And not taking sides here but Big Bro Carr is one of those we will never know how good he could have been. Universally acknowledged being drafted by an expansion team with no line ruined his career.

  16. I’m not a fan of Jameis or anything, but Carr is wrong here especially since he or his brother can’t take criticism themselves. Also, as bad as Winston is, he can be fixed. Jameis is a gunslinger, something neither Carr is

  17. Credit to Winston for taking the high road.

    Hope he fixes his game, but whatever he’s doing isn’t working. There’s professionals in San Diego for that…

  18. The Carrs are the most sensitive of any bunch.
    David acts like that super bowl on his record is his. Eli, and Strahan says thank you.
    And his brother is no better. Always taking shots at ppl on Twitter but wouldn’t back it up in person.

  19. He’s not training for football. He watched Gronk at Wrestlemania and is looking at all those 225lb wrestlers like Danial Bryant and knows that he can switch over and beat them all. He training for it. Ain’t no rules about head shots in wrestling!

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news but wrestling… well it’s fake. You don’t beat people because you’re good, you beat people because the script says you do.

  20. This whole boat thing is pretty funny. As of right now both David Carr and Winston are busts. You get booted off your team after being a first overall pick And you aren’t immediately signed you are a bust. Nobody thinks Jameis is a top 32 QB. Who cares about 5000 hollow passing yards it’s meaningless. Carr can say whatever he wants he’s been there and washed out and Winstons career trajectory is heading to an eerily similar place. Even if people don’t want to admit it.

  21. Has anyone actually seen the video? It’s literally the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen. Carr is right like it or not.

  22. Jameis had just the right response to David Carr, who talks way too much. Having said that, there’s no universe where Winston is a better QB than Derek Carr.

  23. Derek Carr isnt that great but I wouldnt move on for Winston. No reason to move on from Carr until its an upgrade. At best it would be a wash. At worst its a legit downgrade. Higher ceiling LOL. Yeah if you dont factor in turnovers sure. Raiders should be looking to upgrade but Winston LOL. Imagine Gruden coexisting with a two turnovers a game QB.

  24. @sportsguy77 It was a lousy joke. David Carr went to an FSU too…Fresno State University.

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