Terry Bradshaw doesn’t think Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time

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The original TB12 isn’t as impressed with the current TB12 as most everyone else is.

Appearing Thursday on 97.3 the Fan in Pittsburgh, Terry Bradshaw rattled off various quarterbacks whom Bradshaw regards as more talented than Tom Brady.

I don’t think he’s the greatest quarterback of all time,” Bradshaw said, via the New York Post. “It’s hard to say. He may be the best quarterback we’ve had in the last 30 years. Is he better than [Roger] Staubach? No. Is he better than Dan Fouts? No. Dan Marino? No. I’m talking talent-wise when you’re putting all of it together.

“Does he have more Super Bowls than anybody? Yes. Therefore, he’s the best. I absolutely have no problem saying it. If you’ve got the most Super Bowls, you can be in there, but I don’t put anybody as the greatest of all time. . . . Is he better than Montana? Not in my opinion. Is he better than Drew Brees? Yeah, maybe.”

Bradshaw also isn’t impressed with the drama surrounding Brady after 20 seasons in New England.

“I’m a little bit tired of all this soap opera going on between him and Belichick,” Bradshaw said. “Look, he left because he wanted to prove something, and he wants to prove to everyone that he can win without Bill Belichick.”

The comments continue a recent trend by Bradshaw, who believes Brady wants to show he was more important to the Patriots’ success than Belichick. As both men move forward without the other, the performances of the Patriots and Buccaneers will be compared as closely as any two teams, in any sport.

137 responses to “Terry Bradshaw doesn’t think Tom Brady is the greatest quarterback of all time

  1. Here we go.

    I think Brady is the GOAT, but people should respect that everyone has different criteria. Most of the people who get upset at comments like this are younger Pats fans, who didn’t even see guys like Staubach and Fouts play.

    Bradshaw is a perfect example of why “# of rings” is fairly inconsequential when it comes to this debate. Football is a team game.

  2. I’m right there with Bradshaw … I think Brady is trying to prove he was more important to NE than Belichick . . . i personally think they were just a great pair . . . and both will fail without each other!

  3. “I’m talking talent-wise when you’re putting all of it together.”

    I understand what he’s saying, he’s breaking it down to straight physical attributes and when you do that then you have a case.

    But as far as simply the GOAT then I think you have to go with Brady because it all about the rings, and no one has more.

  4. Happy he’s on my team now, but I don’t have a problem with Bradshaws opinion. I guess since a lot of people are soft as hell nowadays (Dave Chappelle is correct) people will get their g-strings in a knot over this comment, but football is the ultimate team sport and sooooo many variables need to be in place for you to win. It is reasonable to wonder if far more physically gifted players like Marino, Peyton, Aaron Rodgers etc would do on that same time. Would Rodgers (who I don’t think has ever thrown10 interceptions in a year) REALLY win less super bowls if you replaced Brady with him? I mean..cmon. If you had an NFL draft that involved every player in his prime to take on some super team from outer space, would Brady be the first pick? I’m thinking most people would be leaning towards a Rodgers or Mahomes. It shouldn’t be assumed he’s the greatest ever because he has the most rings, it’s incredibly short sighted

  5. As he ages, he gets more churlish it seems. I’m not one to call any player the greatest of all time neither. That’s for kiddies and homers. Bradshaw used to be entertaining. Now he’s just cranky.

  6. Terry, there’s a lot more to being the best ever QB than throwing the most and prettiest deep balls in a game. Saying that Brady isn’t better than Fouts or Marino is dumb. As for Montana he was GOAT before Brady, but Brady’s now been to twice as many playoffs and SBs. And then there’s consistency and length of that career at an elite level for 20yrs, playoffs every year, AFCG 75% of the time, SB 50% of the time – FOR TWO WHOLE DECADES – not Montana nor any other elite QB managed to achieve anything like that.

  7. And I would NOT have Terry Bradshaw anywhere near my top-10 QBs all time!
    Not hating on Terry, personally I really like him
    But he’s the by product of the greatest D in the 1970s & 2nd best 1-2 RB punch behind only Miami

    Terry finished with just TWO more TD passes than INT…TWO!
    His career completion percentage is just 52%!
    Between 1973-76 he missed 14 games due to injuries

    He played with NINE HOFs on offense & defense…NINE

    Talent wise, Brady is comparable to Montana
    Slight build, about average arm talent
    But BOTH were the smartest players on the field
    Both threw balls with impeccable timing
    Both were the greatest WINNERS of their generation

  8. Nothing to see here. He isn’t saying that Brady is worse than these guys, but rather that he isn’t clearly superior. That’s a pretty fair claim to make.

  9. Bradshaw is filmed saying Brady is the GOAT while handing him the SB51 trophy….

    Now he says “was he better than Dan Fouts?”.

    Jesus

  10. “But as far as simply the GOAT then I think you have to go with Brady because it all about the rings, and no one has more.”

    So, we rank QB’s according to rings? Dilfer better than Marino or Fouts? Eli equal to Peyton and better than Rogers? Bradshaw #2 on the all-time list and equal to Montana?

    “Rings” is the laziest criteria in this debate. Robert Horry is one of the greatest of all time w/ that.

  11. I have no issue with most of what Bradshaw said. However, he has a bit aof selective amnesia when he calls out Brady in the drama department. Read the excellent Chuck Noll biography, “His Life’s Work”, by Michael MacCambridge. There are countless stories in there about Bradshaw’s drama, petulance, and immaturity (which, to Bradshaw’s credit, he owned up to after his career was over). Noll and Bradshaw’s teammates put uo with it because he did deliver time and again in big games. That said, Terry did create more than his share of drama back in his playing days

  12. That’s really ironic given that after Super Bowl 51 when the trophy was being presented Bradshaw himself literally said “Might as well have the greatest quarterback [come up for Bradshaw to interview]” after saying Belichick was the greatest coach. So it comes off as really stupid when he has already called Brady the greatest QB for Bradshaw to now say that he’s not.

  13. Is he better than Dan Fouts? No.

    Seriously? Dan Fouts wasn’t that great and arguably doesn’t belong in the HOF. I think he only ever had 6 seasons where he threw more TDs than INTs. Go check his stats.

  14. Jeff George is the GOAT – from a pure physical/arm talent standpoint LOL Suck on that Bradshaw

  15. I totally agree Terry…yes he has more super bowls but that’s more on coaching, game planning, supporting talent. I know the Patriot fans wont agree…but Tom is probably the 5th or 6th best NFL Qb

  16. Wait wait wait, if you’re not the best qb, how do you win that many Super bowls? Has any qb be considered the best without any Superbowl win? No. Stats are overrated. It’s about how many Superbowl rings a qb won. I’d take 6 times Superbowl winning qb over none Superbowl winning qb any day.

  17. “Greatest Of All Time” is a very vague term that means different things to different people, so we will never agree…..but it is still fun to debate.

    Some people think that to be the “greatest”, you have to have SB rings. But it’s a team sport. There are 52 other guys, OCs, HCs. The best QB of all time could play on a crappy team and never win a Super Bowl. A good QB on a great team will win more Super Bowls than a great QB on a crappy team.

    It would be fun to see a poll that lists the different things that people consider when calling a QB the GOAT.

  18. ..or maybe Mahomes is the GOAT – Superb arm talent – won a league MVP and SB MVP before even knowing how to read a defense

  19. “Terry, there’s a lot more to being the best ever QB than throwing the most and prettiest deep balls in a game. Saying that Brady isn’t better than Fouts or Marino is dumb. As for Montana he was GOAT before Brady, but Brady’s now been to twice as many playoffs and SBs. And then there’s consistency and length of that career at an elite level for 20yrs, playoffs every year, AFCG 75% of the time, SB 50% of the time – FOR TWO WHOLE DECADES – not Montana nor any other elite QB managed to achieve anything like that.”

    Those are all team stats, st.

  20. Bradshaw seems to be talking about arm strength. It’s Brady’s mind that makes him great. Physically, Bradshaw is probably right, but Brady is able to instantly size up any situation and make the right decisions. He is also ice under pressure. If he wants to talk about the entire QB package he needs to include these things too.

  21. “Has any qb be considered the best without any Superbowl win?”

    Some still consider Marino.

    And you can’t tell me Marino would have zero rings if he had BB as a coach and a well-run organization, for 20 YEARS. Miami was never well run when he was there, and Shula was way past his prime. The AFCE was also a lot tougher then.

  22. Brady is a combination of the new NFL rules, the Patriot system, alot of luck and a historically weak division for 20 years.

    I like Brady, and he’s really good. But best ever? If you put Marino on the Patriots in his prime, he would have won just as many SBs. But he played in an era when the QB could get absoluately crunch every play and defensive holding/pass interfence was not the thing it is today. That and given the dolphins never gave him a RB or a defense defense.

    Joe Montana? Disclaimer here, he’s my favorite all time player. He was great too, but again, in a ‘new’ system that fit him perfectly under one of the greatest coaches. Plus he played with oogles of HoFers, specifially Rice. Steve Young did just as well in the same system with the same tools. Both were victims of the nfl rules back then though.

    I must be thinking of the wrong Dan Fouts. the one I knew was on the Chargers and while above really good (kinda like Rivers) never struck me as an all-time great.

  23. Brady won’t win again! He’s a system qb who has had a lot of luck on his side. Not to mentions New England’s cheating history.

  24. Terry is talking about the most talented QB. Tom Brady is far from the most talented QB. Many QB’s have a stronger arm than Tom. Many QB’s throw a better ball. Many QB’s can release the ball from many more angles than Tom can. Many QB’s are far more mobile than Tom. I could list 50 QB’s that are more talented than Tom Brady.

    Tom is the most successful QB of all time, but he for sure does not have more talent than any QB ever.

  25. If this is a team game, how can SB wins be the standard. With the exact same team, which QB would you want, 12 or several listed above. Hell, Otto Graham for that matter. 12 is good, but he lucked out in the coach, teammate, and organization categories. But both on the same team, well……

  26. It’s pretty simple, folks. There is no definitive #1 QB. It is next to impossible to compare QBs of different eras because of huge differences in ● the rules for both offenses and defenses, ● the playing surfaces, ● the training/diets of the players, etc.. Also, a QB’s success/failure is often dependent on the calibre of coaching he receives and of the supporting cast around him.

  27. No other QB has produced at such a consistently high level as Brady. Nobody. He’s played on teams where the defense wasn’t too good, or the offensive line wasn’t too good, or there weren’t any top wide receivers, but he kept them winning.

    Brady was the guy who made the culture Belichick wanted to impose actually work. He set the example of hard work and dedication that his teammates wanted to emulate. He made the players around him better. He made the team better than the roster would indicate.

    No one in NFL history has that record of consistent excellence at the QB position. Think about it, in the salary cap age with all the roster turnover, for Brady’s 20 years there the Patriots never had a losing record. The only constant on the roster: Tom Brady. The undisputed GOAT: Tom Brady.

  28. Simple. Tom Brady is the most successful quarterback when it comes to quantifiable facts – most SB wins/appearances, playoff wins, playoff touchdowns, etc. That is black and white and can not be denied. In my book that is an easy, and rightful, definition for GOAT: who could close the deal time after time at the highest level, playoff and SBs, over a career. Not…even…close.

    As to different quarterback, different eras, different rules, arm strength, percentage of +20 yards throws, all those general season stats, etc, that is completely subjective. It’s like arguing over who would win a battle between the Hulk and the Thing. And subjective is the very nature of Bradshaw’s claim. Bradshaw motivation for being somewhat surly seems to be because he’s so sick of all the drama around Brady and his “will he stay or not?” and, now, what will happen with the Buccaneers. Arguing that current quarterbacks that failed to come even close to Brady’s ultimate win numbers as somehow GOAT candidates is just silly, really.

    Not sure how much Tom will care about Bradshaw’s comments but if he was looking for more motivation to prove the overall naysayers wrong about his success this (fingers cross) football season, then I guess it’s a hearty, “Thanks Terry!”

  29. Its all subjective.

    Different eras, different schemes, different rules. Some guys had more physical talents, some guys were better mentally. Some guys had great teams around them, some guys had average teams. Some guys had great coaches, some had average ones.

    This GOAT crap is just that, crap.

  30. Tom is the most successful QB of all time, but he for sure does not have more talent than any QB ever.
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    So then ,why don’t these “more talented quarterbacks” have six Super Bowl rings like him if they’re so talented , LOL .
    I’m just glad we in New England were blessed to have him!!!!

  31. I have long bought this argument. Even though it’s a team sport, the best QBs I’ve seen (not including before my time) in terms of individual performance is Montana and Elway. Not to diminish accomplishments.

  32. Okay MR.Cat Bradshaw then what is the criteria for being the best ever???
    And I’m tired of these arguments about who is the best ever,,,start the season already!!!

  33. If you ask 100 football experts on who is the top five quarterbacks of all time I’m quite sure that everybody would have a different answer,,,it’s just his opinion but that doesn’t mean he’s right

  34. I believe other HOF caliber QBs could have won in New England the same way I believe Brady wouldn’t have nearly as much if played in Cleveland for example. It’s a team sport folks.

  35. One big game with a guy on his best day? Lots of people would take Tom Brady but to act like it isn’t debatable is why nobody takes Pats fans seriously

  36. “So then ,why don’t these “more talented quarterbacks” have six Super Bowl rings like him if they’re so talented , LOL .”

    The short answer is that football isn’t tennis.

  37. What “soap opera” between Brady and Belichick? Neither one of those men has said anything soap opera about the other. The only “soap opera” is being generated by out of touch media people who think that what people care about are “the storylines, the personalities, the drama”. No, we care about Sundays.

  38. He is correct, Brady is not a GOAT.
    Was proven he cheated.
    Sorry, no GOAT.
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    So It seems you managed to find the evidence the NFL admitted in Federal court they didn’t have. Where’s it been all these years??
    The only thing “proven” by Brady ‘s suspension was that Goodell could do whatever he wanted , despite having no evidence of any wrong doing.
    I’m embarrassed for your ignorance.

  39. Guess who Brady is ahead of in Career Yards per Attempt? You may have heard of some of these guys- Bradshaw, Elway, Namath and Marino. If Brady has no arm strength, image what these four don’t have. Not to mention Bradshaw throwing to hall of fame receiver most years.

  40. A few of us base our opinions on what we’ve seen. Most people base their opinions on what they hear others say. Terry Bradshaw has seen every QB for the last 50 years or so. I guarantee you he’s going off what he’s seen. He also played the position at a HOF level, so he knows the degree of difficulty that’s involved in every play. He’s also about as good natured as they come. So he’s really just telling it like it is.

  41. Question…you have a pickup game…do you choose Brady,Mahones, Montana,Elway,Marino, or heck,even Bradshaw? Answer:it depends on how old you are and how much fun would it be playing with guy. I would say Marino would be pretty cool to be throwing the pigskin with.

  42. Those are all team stats,
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    billsrthefuture,

    Brady is the GOAT because football is a team sport.

    Who else can consistently turn average WR into playmakers?
    who else can turn short n slow WR into playmakers?
    Who can score 41 and 31 pts in playoff without deep threats?
    who else can stay on field for 36 min and 39 min so to help his defense?
    who can get rid of the balls so quickly that makes opponent pass rush completely irrelevant so to help his O-line?

    ONLY Brady.

  43. I always thought that Tom Brady was the BEST SYSTEMS QB, I called him a systems G.O.A.T. It was Belichick system with Brady pulling the trigger. Now that he plays for one of my teams, all I can say is the same thing. He’s a great systems QB. However, Tom can prove me wrong by adapting to Ariens style of offense. Belichick and Ariens system are similar, but not the same. I am really looking forward to see how Tom Brady does with my Bucs.

  44. billsrthefuture,

    BTW,

    #1, QBR depends far more on how good WR are, because it overwhelmly depends on WR’s physical ability.

    #2, QBR encourages QB throwing deep, but the shorter QB throws, the better it is for his TEAM, IF he can still score enough.

    #3, QBR encourage QB NOT to change game plans from game to game, a formula to lose in playoff.

  45. In their prime, at their best, I would pick Brady over most QBs. However, so many great ones like Marino, Montana & Manning also come to mind. I respect his achievements as being the best of all time. I even can allow the title of GOAT as it relates to those achievements.

  46. If Brady is the GOAT simply because he has the most rings…

    Then that means Robert Horrey is a better basketball player than Michael Jordan.

  47. Brady is clearly the most successful NFL QB. The most talented? Not so clear.

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    bigpet07,

    Name another QB who could turn cheap receivers into playmakers?

    Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Shane Vereen, Julian Edelmen, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, James White, etc

  48. I always thought that Tom Brady was the BEST SYSTEMS QB, I called him a systems G.O.A.T.
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    alongthegulf,

    how will SUPER CHEAP Belichick be able to stay “great” if he doesn’t have a QB who can turn cheap slot receivers into playmakers?

  49. Bradshaw makes the nonsensical argument that his perception of “talent” supersedes performance.

    Such arguments are not only subjective, they expose bias. In Bradshaw’s case, they may appear to expose jealousy.

  50. There’s Tom Brady & then there’s every other NFL QB not named Tom Brady…
    Thats how it is & probably will be till the end of time…

  51. It’s because he is not, both he and Montana are and will always be “system quarterbacks”, neither one of them had the god-given talent of Steve Young, John Elway, Dan Marino and numerous others..

  52. billsrthefuture says:
    April 11, 2020 at 2:22 pm
    Here we go.

    I think Brady is the GOAT, but people should respect that everyone has different criteria. Most of the people who get upset at comments like this are younger Pats fans, who didn’t even see guys like Staubach and Fouts play.
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    I saw Staubach and Fouts play. Staubach is in the conversation, Fouts is most definitely not. Even if you don’t consider rings, Fouts’ career stats even amongst his contemporaries aren’t very compelling.

  53. Peyton Manning set all time TD, yardage and point records throwing to Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker and a declining Wes Welker. Their best running back was Knowshon Moreno.

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    bigpet07,

    Name another QB who could turn cheap receivers into playmakers?

    Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Shane Vereen, Julian Edelmen, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, James White, etc

  54. Talent wise? Is Jeff George or Jamarcuss Russel better then Brady because of all their talent? Some people just want to sound smart no matter how dumb it makes them look to the rest of us.

  55. jcinthepresshouse says:
    As to different quarterback, different eras, different rules, arm strength, percentage of +20 yards throws, all those general season stats, etc, that is completely subjective. It’s like arguing over who would win a battle between the Hulk and the Thing.
    —————-
    Umm, Thing has beaten Hulk in a fight once in 60 years, almost killing himself in the process while Hulk was being mind controlled. Other than that, umm no its not subjective. Hulk has beaten him down with ease every single time.

  56. neither one of them had the god-given talent of Steve Young

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    thesnakestabler

    You put Ben in the team Steve Young had, Ben would have won more SB.

    Tell me, what makes you think Steve Young is better than Ben except getting high?

  57. One of the few times I agree with Bradshaw.

    Brady the greatest QB?… No.
    The greatest cheater?… Yes.

  58. Brady is a cheater and liar. It’s been proven over and over. The homer Patsy fans keep flooding the blogs with lies.

    Regardless of the cheating, Brady still isn’t the best. Brady had the best coach, great defenses and special teams carrying him. Peyton would have a lot more rings if he played on the Pats.

  59. Brady is not the best natural athlete to play the game, but has had a better football career than anyone in history. Not due to luck, but due to hard work and determination. Match that up with being coachable with one of the greatest coaches.

  60. Brady is a cheater,

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    Thetruthspeaks,

    How did the ball boy doctor the balls before he got the needle?

    How come Brady was so stupid that he avoid texting the ball boy BEFORE being exposed but not afraid at all AFTER being exposed?

    Maybe you have to go back to school to know what “truth” means?

  61. Brady is not the best natural athlete to play the game, but has had a better football career than anyone in history. Not due to luck, but due to hard work and determination. Match that up with being coachable with one of the greatest coaches.

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    He has the best skill set : THROW THE BALLS AT THE EARLIEST POSSIBLE TIME, a skill that is irrelevant in college football and irrelevant against lousy defense.

    With that skill, he was able to turn cheap receivers into playmakers, and turned Belichick into a “genius”.

    Troy Brown, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Shane Vereen, Julian Edelmen, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, James White, etc

  62. Having seen all of the QB’s Bradshaw mentions play, I believe he makes a decent point with Marino only. I’m not a Brady fan so much as I admire what he has done. Marino however, was the quintessential passing QB in an era when QB’s got hit often and he did it with no defenses and no running games generally. His release was a thing of beauty throwing to receivers who were not high draft picks as I remember. There were no Randy Moss’ on his teams. It’s a shame that he didn’t get to play on a more balanced team or teams where his talents could have shown through. Maybe if the Dolphins had a coach that wasn’t well into his back nine during Marino’s career like Shula was he could have truly been appreciated. Brady however cannot be discounted as easily as TB would like to; Tom has been money way too many times to not be in position to be the GOAT. The only other one I can put in his arena would be the aforementioned Marino and Peyton Manning.

  63. “Terry finished with just TWO more TD passes than INT…TWO!
    His career completion percentage is just 52%!
    Between 1973-76 he missed 14 games due to injuries”

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    Which is actually pretty good for calling all of your own plays and playing in the 70s.

  64. freefromwhatyouare says:
    April 11, 2020 at 2:55 pm
    Terry is talking about the most talented QB. Tom Brady is far from the most talented QB. Many QB’s have a stronger arm than Tom. Many QB’s throw a better ball. Many QB’s can release the ball from many more angles than Tom can. Many QB’s are far more mobile than Tom. I could list 50 QB’s that are more talented than Tom Brady.

    Tom is the most successful QB of all time, but he for sure does not have more talent than any QB ever.
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    But you’re only talking about physical talents. There are many other ways to be talented. But First of all, when the dude was younger there wasn’t a thing wrong with his arm. He could zip a 30-yd pass with the best of them. No, he wasn’t Marino but to knock his arm is just not right. And by the way I notice you don’t mention accuracy because he’s right up there with the best ever. And that’s the 2nd most important trait an NFL QB must have.

    And the 1st is intelligence. And I don’t care who you are, no QB has had more football intelligence than Brady. He knows what Ds are going to do before they do. I’ve never seen a QB make a defense pay for blitzing more often and more painfully than Brady.

    So Brady is in the top 1-3 all-time in my book in the top 2 traits an NFL QB MUST have. And everything else is gravy.

    And then there’s the toughness, standing tall in the pocket with total focus downfield AND playing in all 16 games every season plus every playoff game except for the one time he tore his ACL.

    He’s the greatest field general I’ve ever seen. He could WILL his team to a win. Others have done that as well, but I’m painting a picture here of a total package that equals GOAT.

    And he is the GOAT. Nobody ever in history frustrated bigger, faster defenses with more consistency than Tom Brady. Period.

    And I’m a Raiders fan.

  65. “We know that Buffalo and rings don’t go together.”

    Just mailing it in at this point.

    I suppose true – but you know the Bills time has arrived. It’s like the sun is just rising on Bills nation right now, and it promises to be a long & spectacular day ahead.

    Regardless, rings aren’t the main criteria when evaluating players.

  66. To be fair Montana played in a different era. If Brady took the hits Montana had to take against the Giants, Brady probably would’ve ended up in the hospital

    By the way Brady does not have the most championships among quarterbacks, that would be Otto Graham with 7

  67. And the 1st is intelligence.

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    ringheadcrusher,

    You are wasting time with those fans who never appreciate the talents from neck up, they watch football to get high.

    Their favorite QB usually are stupid and overwhelmingly depends on the physical ability of their receivers to cover their poor ability of reading defense.

    Like Rodgers couldn’t score even 380 points with Davante Adam and Aaron Jone; Drew Brees couldn’t score even 340 with LT in his first two seasons,

    and you never see any changes in their offenses, and they still big mouth “couldve wouldve”.

  68. It cracks me up when I read people saying Brady is a product of Belichik’s magical “system.” Because Belichik is a DEFENSE guy! If you think for a minute that BB somehow became an offensive guru and built the game’s single greatest system EVER, you’re just reaching WAY too far.

    This has nothing to do with BELICHIK’s system. Belichik is the greatest HC ever, not because of the offensive system HE put in place, but for a whole host of other reasons, including his player evaluation ability, his genius in utilizing his defensive players’ strengths, and his ability to hire – and MANAGE – smart coaches. And in fact, one HUGE reason people say he’s the best is because BRADY has been winning games for him for 20 freakin’ years.

  69. To be fair Montana played in a different era. If Brady took the hits Montana had to take against the Giants, Brady probably would’ve ended up in the hospital

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    danielsong39

    Yes, except against a QB like Brady who stays in a small pocket, pass rushers won’t have chance hitting QB AT FULL SPEED.

  70. “And the 1st is intelligence. And I don’t care who you are, no QB has had more football intelligence than Brady. ”

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    Ahhhh we can debate who the greatest of all time is, but saying that no QB has had comparable football IQ to Brady is a bit much my friend. I could name names, but I feel that people would be so offended that a certain person’s name came up that they would not bother to see the reason his name was mentioned.

    Ah, whatever, I’ll do it.

    Manning. Marino. Fouts. Unitas. Brees. All of these guys have demonstrated incredible football intelligence at the QB position for their era. The fact Brady is in the same group with them is a compliment enough. We can debate who’s the best amongst them, but in terms of football IQ, these are some of the elite, and any one of them can compare favorably at the least or superior to at best with Brady. So, to reiterate, I think msot people would say Manning is the smartest QB of all time. You can decide whether that means that he’s the best or not to you, but I think it’s obvious that when it comes to that stat, he did it like no one else ever did.

    Marino understood the quick release and how important it was before anyone else, and understood how important timing was to that as a player. Fouts understood the conceptso f a high volume deep passing attack as a system before anyone else, and the complexities of underneath mid range routes opened up by that, along with his coach. Drew Brees is as much personally responsible for developing New Orleans’ record setting passing system as Sean Payton is, because the two of them developed and implemented it together and it has produced the most yards and touchdowns by an individual (including SEVERAL 5000 yard seasons). Unitas invented the modern passing game at is core. He made the QB position what it is today. Manning was his own offensive coordinator, literally drawing up plays under center at times.

    You can’t say that none of these players have the honor of being compared to Brady in terms of football IQ. It just does not show them enough respect for what they were able to do. And there are even a couple of others that we could discuss simply in terms of football IQ-guys like Montana, Anderson, Starr, Graham…even guys like Rodgers, who uses his football IQ to avoid turnovers like no one in history. I am not comparing anyone or arguing for or against anyone as the GOAT here (stupid phrase), I am just discussing their football IQ. There are others beyond Brady who have excelled in their own way, and just as impressively.

  71. vikingjack73 says:

    And I would NOT have Terry Bradshaw anywhere near my top-10 QBs all time!
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    He didn’t put himself up there.

  72. You can’t say that none of these players have the honor of being compared to Brady in terms of football IQ.

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    ak185,

    The shorter a QB throws, the higher demanding on QB’s IQ, because :

    #1, defenders look at QB’s in the eyes

    #2, more defenders in shorter ranges.

    #3, QB can’t expect his receivers running to the balls, like in deep passing games.

    You should watch the 2nd INT by Mahomes in SB. Short passing system is far far more complicated than deep passing system.

  73. ak185 says:
    April 11, 2020 at 6:26 pm
    “And the 1st is intelligence. And I don’t care who you are, no QB has had more football intelligence than Brady. ”

    ==============================
    “You can’t say that none of these players have the honor of being compared to Brady in terms of football IQ. It just does not show them enough respect for what they were able to do.”
    ——————————
    And that’s why I didn’t do it. I didn’t compare him to anyone, I simply said he had the highest football IQ of any QB I’d ever seen. That Doesn’t mean nobody else is in the discussion, does it?

    Yeah a lot of people think Manning was the smartest. I’m not one of them. yeah he was a very intelligent guy and he’s a legit part of the conversation but Just because he walked up to the line and started barking at all his players because they Weren’t lined up within an inch of his preference doesn’t make him the smartest QB. people were in awe “oh look, Manning knows exactly where everyone is supposed to be…”. Yeah, no kidding. They all do – or they SHOULD, anyway.

    I’m a huge Montana fan, I think he was the smartest QB of his era. But if anyone wants to label one of the greats a “system” QB, he’s the one. But he made that system hum like the genius he was. But he never really had to succeed with mediocrity around him.

    Marino was no genius, he relied on his physical talent and it took him a long way. He was a smart guy, but he’s not in this conversation.

    Brees is up there too in intelligence And a legit part of this conversation (and #1 all time in accuracy) but you watch him struggle when he doesn’t have a great supporting cast, and that’s the difference here.

    The proof of this is in the results of the plays Over a LONG period of time and like I said, NOBODY frustrated defenses more consistently than Brady. It didn’t matter who he was playing with, how good his weapons were… He found ways to succeed in more situations than anyone.

    I’ve watched every one of these guys play a lot of games. Regular season, post season, SB… This is all a matter of record. My “opinion” on this is more like thorough analysis of the RELEVANT facts. because there are a lot of people here hanging their hats on a lot of irrelevant garbage.

  74. These debates always go completely off the rails, case in point the guy defending Marino because he was stuck with that lousy HC Don Shula.

  75. I foresee Bill winning without Tom, not the other way around.
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    gizzmonic,

    How will SUPER CHEAP Belichick be able to stay “great” if he doesn’t have a QB who can turn cheap slot receivers into playmakers?

    BTW, you mean that Belichick developed Brady and Brady will lose the “develop” after leaving Patriots? don’t you think it is ridiculous?

  76. “These debates always go completely off the rails, case in point the guy defending Marino because he was stuck with that lousy HC Don Shula.”

    Me?

    The game has passed Shula by, and he did not adjust. He was amazing in the ’70’s and into the ’80’s.

    If you can’t appreciate Marino’s greatness, you’re probably not a football fan. You may just be a Patriots fan.

  77. FINALLY someone said what needed to be said and not afraid to say it!!! He is dead on with his comments also. Brady is the greatest of the modern era of football with the rules that are in place. But impossible to compare him to QBs of the past that WR were getting tackled all the way down the field, hits on QBs were not roughing the passer, the technology of game film and cameras, data etc is completely different now versus many many years ago.
    As far as proving something, that is dead spot on and Brady is going to have a rude awakening coming his way this season. Tampa will maybe win 9 or 10 and be fighting for a playoff spot. Brady is used to having it locked up by week 12 or 13

  78. gizzmonic says:
    April 11, 2020 at 7:14 pm
    I foresee Bill winning without Tom, not the other way around.
    ———————-
    That’s a really bold statement, given that Brady’s going to be 43.

  79. The game has passed Shula by, and he did not adjust. He was amazing in the ’70’s and into the ’80’s.

    ——————

    Or it is because Marino was not able to make adjustment.

    QB like Marino, Peyton, Brees and Rodgers are like Nobel Literature winners : mastering in ONE AND ONLY ONE LANGUAGE (the “language he used in college), but not able to learn any different languages.

  80. I foresee Bill winning without Tom, not the other way around.
    ———————-
    That’s a really bold statement, given that Brady’s going to be 43.

    —————————–
    ringheadcrusher

    No, that is stupid statement.

    He basically claimed that Brady developed lot of skills under Belichick, but will lose once leave NE area.

  81. I would liked to have seen Brady play in a no 5 yard passing era.That would have been interesting. Bradshaw was very good,you had to throw the ball deep,especially if you were down 10 points,you had to be able to.score in a hurry. Hard to say who’s the best qb,but Brady is one of them. Better than Manning,Brees or anyone else in the last 20 years in my opinion.

  82. I would liked to have seen Brady play in a no 5 yard passing era.That would have been interesting.

    —————————–

    It is much much much harder to SCORE with short passes, because it means that you need lot of good plays to score.

    That is the same reason that even greatest RB couldn’t elevate offense much, like O.J and Barry Sanders.

    You should watch the 2nd INT by Mahomes in SB, it will tell you a lot about what makes it so hard in short passing games.

  83. Brady is not the GOAT. Not even top 5 greatest QBs. He won a bunch of Super Bowls but that doesn’t make him the GOAT. Bradshaw won 4 Super Bowls. Was he considered the GOAT prior to Brady? No way. That’s why the argument that Brady’s the best because of the wins is absurd.

  84. popeye says:
    April 11, 2020 at 2:49 pm
    Agree with Bradshaw. Brady is a cheat, and a baby. Montana is the GOAT.
    ————————————————————————-
    Did you know that Bradshaw admitted to defalting and doctoring footballs in his book “It’s Only A Game” written in 2001?

    Pages 67-68, it’s all there.

  85. Not one mention of Jim Kelly, and too few of Otto Graham. Graham was the absolute master of the two minute drill, among other talents. Kelly? So, how many QB’s have even appeared in four SB? Leadership! The trait with nary a value assigned by commenters. And, whether you like it or not, the QB who is regularly given 5-6 seconds will complete passes, which somehow usually leads to wins. Yes, could go on, but why???

  86. Anyone under 50 most likely never saw live action games for some of the guys Bradshaw lists.
    Staubach, Fouts,… and maybe Marino. In the past 20 years there have been many rule implementations that accentuate the Passing game. The QB is protected with rules that never existed 30 years ago. The QB was fair game for the defense,… and they would knock them down a lot and no flags.
    So to try and compare that era and todays game is mute.
    Heck,… Troy Aikman might still be playing.

  87. That’s why the argument that Brady’s the best because of the wins is absurd.

    ——————————————————-
    randomcommenter

    Can your favorite QB score 24 or more in back to back playoff games?

    Can your favorite QB stay on field (against top offense) to help his defense?

    Can your favorite QB turn cheap slot receivers into playmakers so to make job much much easier for coach and GM you to build a winning team?

    Therefore Brady >>>>>> your favorite QB.

  88. Brady has made a career on pick plays and little dink and dunk plays. Many years ago the WR got blown up trying that play. In today’s game the rules are set up for QB success. You can not compare him to the greats of many years ago.
    BB will win and TB will lose

  89. I am a 35-year diehard fan of the Dolphins and Marino is my favourite player ever. But Brady’s 20-year excellence is unprecedented. I’m fed up of the ‘he’s a system quarterback’ nonsense. The NFL is a copycat league- if it was that simple, everyone would just copy the system and have their own Brady. Every successful QB is a system quarterback to some extent. Has Brady had a terrible year ever? Even 2019, where he did look tired and beat up in December, was far from a terrible year- it just wasn’t as good as what we’re used to. I think Brady and Belichick are one of those fortuitous combinations where both brought out the best in each other. Belichick wouldn’t have won 6 Super Bowls without Brady and Brady wouldn’t have got there with so often without Belichick. Montana was an equally brilliant QB but played in an era when getting hit hard and often was part of the game- it was a brutal hit that effectively led to Young replacing him. Marino was also hit often, despite his quick release and wasn’t nearly as effective for his last few years (it still pains me that his last game was that historic beating by the Jags). Brady has benefitted from rule changes that have protected the QB but I’d take his career over anyone’s and I think he deserves credit for how well he’s played and for how long.

  90. ak185 says:
    April 11, 2020 at 5:53 pm
    “Terry finished with just TWO more TD passes than INT…TWO!
    His career completion percentage is just 52%!
    Between 1973-76 he missed 14 games due to injuries”

    ===========================================

    Which is actually pretty good for calling all of your own plays and playing in the 70s.
    ———————————————
    Roger Staubach has 153 TDs to 109 picks in the same era. You want to try that again? No he didn’t call his own plays, and I would tell you that QBs shouldn’t.

  91. I am a 35-year diehard fan of the Dolphins and Marino is my favourite player ever. But Brady’s 20-year excellence is unprecedented. I’m fed up of the ‘he’s a system quarterback’ nonsense. The NFL is a copycat league- if it was that simple, everyone would just copy the system and have their own Brady. Every successful QB is a system quarterback to some extent. Has Brady had a terrible year ever? Even 2019, where he did look tired and beat up in December, was far from a terrible year- it just wasn’t as good as what we’re used to. I think Brady and Belichick are one of those fortuitous combinations where both brought out the best in each other. Belichick wouldn’t have won 6 Super Bowls without Brady and Brady wouldn’t have got there with so often without Belichick. Montana was an equally brilliant QB but played in an era when getting hit hard and often was part of the game- it was a brutal hit that effectively led to Young replacing him. Marino was also hit often, despite his quick release and wasn’t nearly as effective for his last few years (it still pains me that his last game was that historic beating by the Jags). Brady has benefitted from rule changes that have protected the QB but I’d take his career over anyone’s and I think he deserves credit for how well he’s played and for how long. Whether or not he’s the GOAT is up to others to decide but he’d get my vote.

  92. BB will win and TB will lose

    ———-
    finzfans49,

    Ask yourself do you rather see the offense of your favorite team moving 50 yards with 6 passes, or moving 50 yards with 2 passes?

    Please don’t claim that Brady is the ONLY smart QB who knows what is good for his TEAM.

  93. freefromwhatyouare says:
    April 11, 2020 at 2:55 pm
    Terry is talking about the most talented QB. Tom Brady is far from the most talented QB. Many QB’s have a stronger arm than Tom. Many QB’s throw a better ball. Many QB’s can release the ball from many more angles than Tom can. Many QB’s are far more mobile than Tom. I could list 50 QB’s that are more talented than Tom Brady.

    Tom is the most successful QB of all time, but he for sure does not have more talent than any QB ever.
    __________________
    I was going to write this exact post but you forgot desire to win. TB12 is #1 IMO.

    Unfortunately, Tom will prove nothing in Tampa. He’s on the wrong side of 40 and Belichick has won without TB12 and doesn’t have to play on the field. The hoodie will get a serviceable QB and play to their strengths. Not seeing Superbowl, but playoffs most definitely.

  94. Nobody seems to mention the HUGE asterisks on these guys (Belecheat and Brady). They have been cold busted twice with another incident pending.. Arlen Spector was threatening senate investigation calling into question the leagues antitrust exemption. So the NFL destroyed the tapes of opposing coaches’s signals (Major leagues baseball took no prisoners with the astros steeling signs) But I degress. Point is what are the chances these fools got caught the only 2 or 3 times they cheated? 0 chance! If either are GOATs they are cheating GOATs

  95. I can’t wait until I reach my 70’s where I can say whatever the heck I want to say!

    You go Terry!

  96. I’ve seen multiple QBs in my lifetime I’d choose over Brady.

    But congrats to him on owning weak era competition.

  97. From a purely statistical stand point Fran Tarkenton is #1. I know I know, I’m a Viking fan but look at the numbers. The rules favored the running game and defense. His coach favored the running game and defense. His stadium favored the running game and defense. He played fewer games per season. His career stats are mind boggling for his era……

  98. I’d defer to Bradshaw on this one. The term “living legend” doesn’t even scratch the surface. Sure I dont care for his antics sometimes, but in matters pertaining to football, he has street cred like few others.

  99. We can all argue who is the greatest QB or overall football player, but at the end of the day it is just an opinion. What is not in doubt is that Brady is the greatest winner of the Superbowl era. I would take that certainty over everyone’s opinion any day.

  100. When asked about the best QB, Belichick responded Bert Jones. Bill Walsh responded Greg Cook. So I guess it depends on your criteria.

  101. I was the greatest QB ever, but I refused to play when no team would draft me, or give me a tryout. No colleges offering a scholarship, or letting me try out also threw a bit of a monkey wrench in it, but I was the best, I tells ya!!!!

  102. Brady is NOT THE GOAT. If you’re gonna be a GOAT, you don’t cheat. He didn’t have to cheat but he did it anyway. Not very bright.

  103. By Bradshaw’s comments he was the Brady of his day with far less passing skills.

    Sorry but Bradshaw won a lot of SBs but if you watch his games he wasn’t one the best passers he was just surrounded by tons of talent before there was team caps. So many of the players named were on loaded teams that never went anywhere and didn’t have to change or adapt.

    I like Bradshaw I really do but this is just sour grapes.

  104. Think Bradshaw is confused what Greatest and Best means in the dictionary. Brady is the Greatest of All Time, bar none, both as QB and player. Its indisputable. He is not the Best of All Time though. There have been better QBs and players to play the game – stronger, faster and more athletic.

    RESPECT for the GOAT!

  105. aarons444 says:
    April 11, 2020 at 10:39 pm
    I’ve seen multiple QBs in my lifetime I’d choose over Brady.

    But congrats to him on owning weak era competition

    —-

    Including Aaron Rodgers, who should have more than 1 SB if he was that much of a force.

  106. “And that’s why I didn’t do it. I didn’t compare him to anyone, I simply said he had the highest football IQ of any QB I’d ever seen. That Doesn’t mean nobody else is in the discussion, does it?”

    =======================================

    Well, you did say “I don’t care who you are…” so, yeah, that makes it seem like nobody else is in the discussion. If you don’t even care who’s being discussed, what’s the point of even discussing the point?

    Brady is what he is. We’ve all seen it, read about ad nauseum. There is not any more evidence that could possibly be presented. If you think he’s the greatest, that is your prerogative. What I do not understand is the compulsive need to make sure everyone else agrees.

    And to the guy who said that Bradshaw was terrible because Staubach was better…um, the individual talent of a player is not dependent on the talent of another player. It can be true that both players were very good. As you pointed out, Staubach had a much larger differential between his touchdowns and his interceptions. That’s true. Bradshaw had many touchdowns total than Staubach (212 as opposed to 153). And he called his own plays. You can argue whether or not quarterbacks calling their own plays is smart (most teams would say that it’s not, which is why they don’t do it outside of audibles, which are minor in comparison), but you can’t argue that it’s not more difficult. I’m not saying that Bradshaw is better than Staubach. I’m not. But you’re saying that the playcalling aspect shouldn’t be considered as contributory to his accomplishments, and that’s silly. If Bradshaw had a playcaller, he likely would have thrown fewer interceptions. And if Staubach didn’t, he’d have likely thrown more. Doesn’t mean either is less talented. And considering the INT numbers of other QBs of the era, both of them stand as pretty good.

  107. hipple17tough says:
    April 12, 2020 at 1:18 am
    When asked about the best QB, Belichick responded Bert Jones. Bill Walsh responded Greg Cook. So I guess it depends on your criteria.
    =============================

    They didn’t say “best QB” when they mentioned Jones and Cook. They said “best natural passer” and “best arm talent”. No one in their right mind would pick Greg Cook as best QB.

  108. fansince1973 says:
    April 11, 2020 at 8:41 pm
    popeye says:
    April 11, 2020 at 2:49 pm
    Agree with Bradshaw. Brady is a cheat, and a baby. Montana is the GOAT.
    ————————————————————————-
    Did you know that Bradshaw admitted to defalting and doctoring footballs in his book “It’s Only A Game” written in 2001?

    Pages 67-68, it’s all there.

    =========================

    Yep. Bradshaw had notoriously small hands. He has mentioned on multiple occasions that he had to hold the ball way down by the end with his index finger on the point of the ball when he threw.

  109. “Talent wise, Brady is comparable to Montana
    Slight build, about average arm talent”

    Slight build? Brady is far bigger than Montana ever was. He is also bigger than Bradshaw and Fouts, and identical to Marino. Brady and Marino are both listed at 6’4″, 225.

  110. I remember when Bradshaw was hitting on the Weather Girl. She quit the show just to get away from him. Deon Sanders said he couldn’t spell CAT if you gave him the C and the T.

  111. Bradshaw lost me at “Dan Fouts.” He should have lost everyone at the mystery Hall of Famer, but certainly a Hall of Very Good NFL Player, “Dan Fouts.”

    Thank God people have come to their senses and Fouts is at least temporarily out as an announcer.

    As for Bradshaw and C-A-T. It was actually Hollywood Henderson who said Bradshaw could not spell cat if you spotted him the C-A. An enjoyable line from a troubled player.

  112. Bradshaw could have added more QB’s from the past — like Sammy Baugh, Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, and himself, for instance.
    Brady IS the best QB of his era, though I’d love to have seen what Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Brett Favre, John Elway and Aaron Rodgers would have done playing for Bill Belichick for their careers.
    But best QB ever? NO!!!
    He plays in a QB favorable era where you breathe on a QB or WR and you get a flag thrown. And most of the other rules favor the offense, too. He also played in an era where you pass the ball as much as three times more than the eras those other guys played in.
    There’s one thing I believe very strongly. If Johnny Unitas played under the rules of this era, he’d have set records no one would have touched. I have been watching the NFL since 1960 and I have never seen a QB who was or is any better than Unitas was. And I am a Packers fan and Unitas played for the Colts. I couldn’t stand Unitas and the Colts!! But he was just so great!
    It’s impossible to tell, but all things equal and I had one game I had to win — give me Johnny Unitas over everyone else.

  113. Brees, Staubach, Marino – agree or disagree, there are at least reasonable arguments to be made here. But Dan Fouts? Come on, man…

  114. Terry speaks kernels of truth (to go along with the popcorn in the seminal post here).

    It is apparent that Brady is a complete system QB. He never endured a significant change in offense and did not leave a team and join one and win Two Snoopy Bowls like Peyton Manning did. I would say that the single fact that a QB has won two Snoopy Bowls with different teams shows more about a QB than staying with one team.

    Maybe Tom wins with Tampa – but really, God works miracles, but not even that is something God can make happen.

    We are all limited to the players that we watch as people old enough to remember those players. And rules change as well. No QB has been more protected from being hit than Brady. For some reason the rules were bent to protect him – I’ve seen Manning get nailed and he still played until he couldn’t. And then he came back and won again.

  115. If Johnny Unitas were playing in this era, he’d be better than Brady; likewise if Brady were playing In Unitas’ era, Johnny would be the better.

  116. Dan fouts is the most mediocre qb of all time and a terrible announcer to boot.

    Hilariously bad example for a 500 qb to winningest of all time.

    Dan Fouts
    Career record: 86-84-1
    Career pass td/int: 254 / 242

    Tom Brady:
    Career record: 219-64-0
    Career pass td/int: 541 / 179

    Brady may or may not be the goat in some eyes, but he is most definitely way better than Dan effin Fouts. Bradshaw is senile

  117. > Brady won’t win again! He’s a system qb who has had a lot of luck on his side.

    Anyone who believes in a “system QB” doesn’t know squat about football. Do you honestly think Trent Dilfer would have won six rings if he was under center in NE for the last twenty years?

    That being said, my issue with Brady is the multiple controversies in NE while he played there. If he was as good as Pats fans would have you believe, he wouldn’t have needed to cheat. YMMV.

  118. billsrthefuture says:
    April 11, 2020 at 2:36 pm
    “But as far as simply the GOAT then I think you have to go with Brady because it all about the rings, and no one has more.”

    So, we rank QB’s according to rings? Dilfer better than Marino or Fouts? Eli equal to Peyton and better than Rogers? Bradshaw #2 on the all-time list and equal to Montana?

    “Rings” is the laziest criteria in this debate. Robert Horry is one of the greatest of all time w/ that.


    Using this logic then Jim Kelly was just as good as Montana etc.

    When you break down GOATS, you ultimately end up with two things, facts and opinions. Facts are, TB has more of pretty much everything as compared to every other QB who ever played. Before you start whipping out obscure stats from leather helmet days, I’m talking body of work. End of the day there’s only one true scoreboard, wins. And he’s brought his team to more than those other guys during regular an preseason. That’s not opinion.

  119. Bradshaw is a perfect example of Super Bowl wins not being reflective of best QB of all time.

    My rankings (Only ones I watched play):
    1 – Rodgers
    2 – Elway
    3 – Marino
    4 – Montana
    5 – Brady
    6 – Staubach
    7 – Moon
    8 – Fouts
    9 – Warner
    10 – Manning

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