Patriots’ sideline video violation “remains under review”

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It’s been two and a half months since the NFL last updated the investigation arising from New England’s admitted violation of the rules that happened during the December 8 game between the Bengals and the Browns. But there’s still no final decision from the league regarding discipline.

“The matter remains under review,” league spokesman Brian McCarthy told PFT via email on Tuesday.

The Patriots promptly admitted that a member of the team’s in-house video production crew recorded the Cincinnati sideline, but the league denied any intention violation or connection between the video crew and football operations. The Patriots played the Bengals one week after the incident.

“Our responsibility is to make sure we’re being extremely thorough,” Commissioner Roger Goodell said during his pre-Super Bowl press conference, on January 29. “We’re going to get it right and when we come to a conclusion we’ll certainly make sure that people are aware of it.”

With the draft only nine days away, any punishment that would entail forfeiture of 2020 draft picks needs to be issued soon. Either without the draft starting soon, there’s no apparent reason for the ongoing delay; it should be fairly simple to determine whether the video crew had or didn’t have a connection to the football side of the business. Absent proof of such a connection, the punishment should be the equivalent of a parking ticket.

If, on the other hand, such a connection exists, the Patriots could be in line for a significant punishment, especially in light of past incidents.

101 responses to “Patriots’ sideline video violation “remains under review”

  1. Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me. Most corrupt cheating franchise in the history of sports world wide. Brady is the NFLs Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds combined.

  2. Must be nice for Tom to now be able to avoid controversy and espionage in Tampa Bay.

  3. Any update on the Blue Tooth Guy, who was in team gear, you know on the sidelines, behind Harbaugh?

    I gotta tell ya, if Kraft just sits there on this, I am done with him.

    It’s very clear NE did nothing wrong there, and it was at best a fine for Kraft Productions, for not following more of a protocol, like alerting the Bengals themselves.

    For people to think this was some intentional thing, and why on earth it would take this long, is incredibly suspicious.

    Translation: Goodell is still deciding on how to frame this so the gullible public buys it to steal more picks.

    Kraft best not sit idly by this time. He can’t afford to.

  4. This will never see the light of day as long as corona virus has all sports on hiatus. ANY SPORTS NEWS will be over analyzed when its the only news story.

    Baseball decided not to release its findings on the Red Sox a few weeks ago for the same reason.

    NFL neeeds to man up and move forward.

  5. Just another reason to move on to Tampa Bay now that Brady is gone. I don’t like my team being called cheaters all the time and Bill continues to skirt the rules. This guy Belichick is the reason why the franchise success is tarnished. In Bill we don’t trust.

  6. PR nonsense. “Investigations” into RiCO cases don’t take this long. League just trying to stick it to Kraft by leaving this fake case hanging in the wind.

  7. thermanmerman99 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 3:59 pm
    Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me. Most corrupt cheating franchise in the history of sports world wide. Brady is the NFLs Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds combined.
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    Well that’s easy, because their championships are legit and did it while you and other fans had to watch as your team(s) continually suck year in and year out. We still have BB therefore we will continue to dominate the league and ruin your fall.

  8. Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me. Most corrupt cheating franchise in the history of sports world wide. Brady is the NFLs Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds combined.
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    The frauds would be the Colts team you root for. Why were 3-4 Colts ball under 12.5? Why were the Colts not punished for using a needle on the side line to check the PSI on the intercepted Pats ball? You will never answer these two questions. The Colts showed they were frauds coming out in the second half. Keep up your crying because no matter how red in face you get nothing will change the Pats have dominated the league for 19 seasons.

  9. Why doesn’t the league just announce on draft night #1, while the 22nd pick is just in, that NE is being momentarily informed that its first round pick is forfeited. Florio would be doing somersaults.

  10. Why would a Patriots In-House Video Department be filming anything other than the Patriots sideline? This is not a mistake. This is unprofessional at best and the people in that department should be fired; however, since the Patriots are documented with playing fast and loose with the rules, this is cheating once again. There is no other explanation. I’ve done filming and if I’m working for a client, I am filming them, not squirrels. Time to throw the book at that franchise.

  11. The Warren Commission finished their investigation into the JFK assassination quicker. NFL and Roger has lost its way.

  12. Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me

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    Poor kid. They’re all real.

    Let’s talk about hair plugs some more. That seems productive.

  13. Give me break. This thing should have been wrapped up — one way or the other — in about a week. That it hasn’t is reflection of lawyers looking for hours to bill and/or NFL bureaucrats afraid to make a decision. Either way, this is a complete joke.

  14. Where there is smoke…oh wait, where there is fire!
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    Where there is a blue tooth guy there is…. Why is there no investigation by the NFL on your Ravens? Even you have to think that is pretty suspicious.

  15. Everybody hates Roger Goodell until he’s about to fry the Patriots over nothing, then he’s the “YEAH! STICK IT TO KRAFT!!” guy.

  16. The NFL has completely made a mockery of this whole thing after 5 months, it should be the Pats get slammed because football ops knew or they didn’t and it’s a slap in the wrist. Another reason Goodell is a complete idiot.

  17. ikeclanton says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:15 pm
    Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me

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    Poor kid. They’re all real.

    Let’s talk about hair plugs some more. That seems productive
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    Life must be good in never never land. But us in the real world are aware Goodell bailed Belichick out of the biggest cheating scandal in the history of sports by destroying evidence.

  18. There was no connection to the football team. If there was we would know already. I’m glad that there isn’t.

    There will be a fine. Doubt it will be anything more than that but this is Goodell so who knows.

  19. dannywhite11 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:24 pm
    Where there is smoke…oh wait, where there is fire!
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    Where there is a blue tooth guy there is…. Why is there no investigation by the NFL on your Ravens?
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    Oh no question Bluetooth Guy was cheating for the R*vens. Just look at the results. From an overwhelming Super Bowl contender to getting absolutely trucked by a playoff 6 seed in their own house. I mean… does anything more need to be said?

  20. This was obviously a repeat offense for the Patriots* They were filming the sideline of their next Opponent looking to pick up signals etc. The crew had the same ” Filming a Documentary “excuse and offer to delete it as last time. They didn’t even change the script for if they got caught. If they were doing a “Documentary” they could have filmed the sideline of a time they were not playing in 2019 or a team they already played. We are to believe that they just happened to be in Cincinnati filming the week before they played them and that it was merely a coincidence. Ridiculous. Take away their entire draft for 2020 and suspend their Coaching staff for the year.

  21. Championship rings are not legit

    They paid Brady under the table cash through his GNC stores with his buddy personal trainer / lawyer. This allowed brady to lower his contract and get in more free agents

  22. Oh gosh, the hoodie has cracked the code of the vaunted Bengals. He has the blueprint.

  23. More importantly how is Kraft’s prostitution charges coming along?

    The Bluetooth guy is head of Ravens Security. It makes sense for him to have an earpiece on clowns.

  24. How can you tell when Roger Goodell is lying?

    When his lips are moving.

    >>“Our responsibility is to make sure we’re being extremely thorough,” Commissioner Roger Goodell

  25. where there is smoke…oh wait, where there is fire!
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    Where there is a blue tooth guy there is…. Why is there no investigation by the NFL on your Ravens? Even you have to think that is pretty suspicious.
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    The guy was head of security and said he forgot to remove it. If the NFL was good with it, so am I. The could easily check phone records. Your Pat’s are still being investigated as they should be.

  26. Life must be good in never never land. But us in the real world are aware Goodell bailed Belichick out of the biggest cheating scandal in the history of sports by destroying evidence.
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    You do know the tapes were played for reporters, right? Keep being in never land think facts are fiction.

    Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson claimed, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn’t make [Belichick] right, but a lot of teams are doing this.”

  27. 10 weeks! with the league in hiatus and the Draft around the corner?? And Goodell can’t wrap this up?? Let’s Go NFL

  28. zac0913 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:55 pm
    Championship rings are not legit

    They paid Brady under the table cash through his GNC stores with his buddy personal trainer / lawyer. This allowed brady to lower his contract and get in more free agents.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you have a credible source / reference for the accusation? My magic 8 ball can confirm any story I make up too.

  29. 12brichandfamous says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:08 pm
    This will never see the light of day as long as corona virus has all sports on hiatus. ANY SPORTS NEWS will be over analyzed when its the only news story.

    Baseball decided not to release its findings on the Red Sox a few weeks ago for the same reason.

    NFL neeeds to man up and move forward.

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    That’s because there was nothing on the Sox. The fact of the matter is, Boston has dominated pro sports for 20 years, generally speaking and owners and their fans are wildly jealous, willing to publicy smear them even if there is no evidence.

    Ian Kinsler, a late 2018 addition corroborated what we already knew and the Sox players publicly stated it. They did nothing remotely close to Houston and Cora was the bench coach of Houston who moved to become the manager in Boston.

    In 2017, the Yanks and Boston both were playing some funny business towards one another and Manfred told them to cease ad desist and each team was given a fine and a warning.

    Other than that, Boston did nothing wrong.

  30. patriotmaleorgy says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:43 pm
    ikeclanton says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:15 pm
    Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me

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    Poor kid. They’re all real.

    Let’s talk about hair plugs some more. That seems productive
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    Life must be good in never never land. But us in the real world are aware Goodell bailed Belichick out of the biggest cheating scandal in the history of sports by destroying evidence.

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    Never Never Land sounds fun. I haven’t been there, but be sure to bring back a pile of asterisks, deflated balls, and videotapes when you come on back. It won’t explain why you lost to the Pats all these years, because the real answer, well, was always the obvious one.

    When you get back, be sure to check out the 6 Lombardi trophies shining brightly at Patriot Place. They’re real, and they’re fabulous.

    As for the immediate future, It’ll be fun to watch the Pats to open up a new era of consistent winning while you shake your head and wonder just how that rascally rabbit Bill Belichick got the better of you—again.

  31. 12brichandfamous says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:17 pm
    zac0913 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:55 pm
    Championship rings are not legit

    They paid Brady under the table cash through his GNC stores with his buddy personal trainer / lawyer. This allowed brady to lower his contract and get in more free agents.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Do you have a credible source / reference for the accusation? My magic 8 ball can confirm any story I make up too
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    Since when do Patriot fans need a credible source. They’ve been making things up for years to cover up cheating scandals.

  32. zac0913 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:55 pm
    Championship rings are not legit

    They paid Brady under the table cash through his GNC stores with his buddy personal trainer / lawyer. This allowed brady to lower his contract and get in more free agents
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    If that is true, the sales in his GNC stores should drop this year. Of course if that would happen, patriot fans would claim his stores are not doing as well because they refuse to shop there since he left.

  33. Cheating= the Patriot way. How could there possibly be that much to review? NFL will let them cheat AGAIN like always.

  34. tylawspick6 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:19 pm
    12brichandfamous says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:08 pm
    This will never see the light of day as long as corona virus has all sports on hiatus. ANY SPORTS NEWS will be over analyzed when its the only news story.

    Baseball decided not to release its findings on the Red Sox a few weeks ago for the same reason.

    NFL neeeds to man up and move forward.

    16 22 Rate This

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    That’s because there was nothing on the Sox.

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    The Sox weren’t doing anything that the Yankees didn’t do or any other team. Well except the Astros. They took cheating to a completely new level and deserve what they are getting.

  35. tylawspick6 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:06 pm
    Any update on the Blue Tooth Guy, who was in team gear, you know on the sidelines, behind Harbaugh?

    I gotta tell ya, if Kraft just sits there on this, I am done with him.

    It’s very clear NE did nothing wrong there, and it was at best a fine for Kraft Productions, for not following more of a protocol, like alerting the Bengals themselves.

    For people to think this was some intentional thing, and why on earth it would take this long, is incredibly suspicious.

    Translation: Goodell is still deciding on how to frame this so the gullible public buys it to steal more picks.

    Kraft best not sit idly by this time. He can’t afford to
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    Last I heard Goodell will deal with it after he’s done with Patrick Chungs indictment on cocaine from August.

  36. Bluetooth Guy was literally standing right by the ear of coach Harbaugh. I’ve never seen any head of security in the NFL stand right there.

    I want to know what he was doing there and what he said to Harbaugh…and the league is afraid to tell us for some reason. 🤔

  37. nite2al says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:10 pm
    where there is smoke…oh wait, where there is fire!
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    Where there is a blue tooth guy there is…. Why is there no investigation by the NFL on your Ravens? Even you have to think that is pretty suspicious.
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    The guy was head of security and said he forgot to remove it. If the NFL was good with it, so am I. The could easily check phone records. Your Pat’s are still being investigated as they should be.

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    If that is true, which maybe it is, it doesn’t matter according the standards by the cheater from other teams who want the Pats blood. An honest mistake is an honest mistake, but it seems kinda odd that ANYONE on the sidelines not using sanctioned NFL communications, would know that. This also applied to the Browns and Sashi Brown texting down to the sidelines. It doesn’t matter if it was mimnor or innocent or not per Goodell himself.

    The other thing is, NE ran a similar doc piece earlier in the year, about the act of filming on the road, which every team does. It should be easily proveable how that footage looked. Kinda funny nothing was said there either. And, there is not intent whatsoever since Cincy is not going to the postseason like NE was. It just so happened it was the last chance they had to do a road piece for that particular portion of the doc series.

    And, at one point, they showed, Jimmy Dee from a side vantage point looking out over the field, so this would lead one to believe a similar approach to showcasing that aspect of scouting so idiot fans like yourself could learn how a real organization works. lol

    But, then again, people are so jealous of the PAts, even the very act of doing these little doc pieces is probably enough to make some owners even more jealous, almost like they probably think this is NE rubbing it in their faces, that they’re better than everyone. Meanwhile, NE is just doing it so they can get the fans into the behind the scenes of how a football team operates.

    But, keep on being insecure, whining, lying and playing the victim like a born loser does.

    The did one on the kitchen crew, the head equipment guy, the one who replaced the slandered fire guy from Framegate II, who sadly ended up losing his way pretty badly (rehab, depression, etc, nice going disgusting Goodell and the cheating owners involved), etc.

    So, my point is, it’s certainly proveable that NE had B roll for the documentary footage, which makes this an open and shut case. There’s nothjing more to “revieew”. The only reason why Baltimore’s Blue Tooth Guy Case would be brushed aside so fast and this wouldn’t be is Goodell trying to find a sellable angle again to try to lie and frame NE.

    Anything beyond this, with the country not getting an update on the Cheating Ravens with practice cheating and working with Goodell to keep Ray Rice, to the point of lying in front of Judge Barbara Jones in a federal court, means has a deep and rich history of not admitting to Ray Lewis’s double murders, Suggs’s multiple domestic cover ups, etc, just so Bisciotti can still invite ol’ Rogie down to Augusta to play golf. Bisciottis a member, and you know, NE beating Baltimore all the time, unless some kind of cheating is allowed by Goodell, is ya know, kind of a problem in the AFC and for overall ROI on the CBA.

    The team and NFL personnel were standing there, completely aware of what was happening. So, the biggest moron on the world wouldn’t believe this was some magical way of NE trying to get away with something with absolutely no return on doing so or that can’t be seen by scouts taking notes.

    The subbing packages would be on the 22 Tape from the end zones.

    Meanwhile, Blue Tooth Guy gets no investigation update from the press. Why is that?

  38. “Just another reason to move on to Tampa Bay now that Brady is gone. I don’t like my team being called cheaters all the time”
    ____________

    You usually don’t hear the bandwagon crowd be quite this honest. Dude was happy when they were winning all the time but the moment that looks to be in jeopardy he’s picking whichever side he thinks has the best shot at short-term success. But if Tampa struggles and Stidham looks good he’ll be right back to the Pats, posting how Brady is all washed up.

  39. nite2al says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:10 pm
    where there is smoke…oh wait, where there is fire!
    —————-

    Where there is a blue tooth guy there is…. Why is there no investigation by the NFL on your Ravens? Even you have to think that is pretty suspicious.
    _____________________

    The guy was head of security and said he forgot to remove it. If the NFL was good with it, so am I. The could easily check phone records. Your Pat’s are still being investigated as they should be.
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    Phone records?!?!? Phone records weren’t good enough for Brady but now they are good enough for your Ravens? Hahahaha. Come on man. Don’t be obtuse. Gonna need every phone associated with the Baltimore Ravens right? Aside from that, Your “if the nfl was good with it” statement is also beyond laughable. The nfl was good with it regarding the spy gate garbage, but 12 years later its still a highly discussed topic around here. Anybody that acts like spy gate (nothing burger) and deflate gate (defies the laws of physics, and ignores the Colts footballs) are serious crimes, there is really no sense in discussing it. You are completely unreasonable and cling to “cheating” as a way to somehow justify the fact that your team came up short while their team didn’t. It’s juvenile. I’m addressing you with this response but this isn’t entirely directed at you. There is a serious case of selective outrage and the heard/pack mentality allows you all to just join forces, create all kinds of outlandish accusations, and all independently confirm Everybody’s conspiracy is true. Things like paying Brady through the TB12 brand. No truth to that, someone made it up and everyone just keeps saying it like it’s fact. The Pats mic’d opponents locker room, no truth to that, but it’s peddled as fact. The Pats put mics on their lineman’s to hear the other teams audibles. That actually happened against them, by the dolphins. Zach Thomas admitted it openly (remember the 21-0 beat down the dolphins laid on them?). But yet the Pats are always the ones that get that accusation. It blows my mind

  40. Since when do Patriot fans need a credible source. They’ve been making things up for years to cover up cheating scandals.
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    You just made something up and that is your comeback? Pathetic like your handle.

  41. dannywhite11 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:10 pm
    Life must be good in never never land. But us in the real world are aware Goodell bailed Belichick out of the biggest cheating scandal in the history of sports by destroying evidence.
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    You do know the tapes were played for reporters, right? Keep being in never land think facts are fiction.

    Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson claimed, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn’t make [Belichick] right, but a lot of teams are doing this.”

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    I still like Chuck Knox calling Goodell’s lies “hogwash” the day the story broke. I knew I always liked him. Bud Grant, Vermeil, etc.

    Whats funny about Cowher calling Goodell a liar.

    People can’t quite put together that Cowher retired in 2005, after that season ended. So, as of 2005, before Goodell offically changed the wording of that longstanding rule, on 9.6.06, his official first day as commissioner, NE knew where that came from.

    Some of your need to go watch the Two Bills documentary,m because you’ll get a good taste where the Jets cheating against NE started, It stared in January of 1997.

    it’s always about money, The league WANTS BADLY to have BOTH NY teams successful at once because it means way more money for the league as a whole. Obviously, the Jets being such a laughinstock and redheaded step child under the Giants, is embarrassing for them and a sore spot, now going on 25+ years, if not more.

    Also, in December of 2006, AFTER BB KNEW that rule changed because Manboobs went to the Jets and Woody Johnson knows Ernie Adams, BB and Brady have various ranges of photographic memories (so do I), when Miami BOUGHT CBS field mic’d footage from the week before of Brady’s aduibles and admitted it, shut out NE 21-0, Goodell’s own office said there was nothing wrong with using technology for future scouting. Oh, ok. Sounds good, Roger.

    Ray Anderson made a statement and the NFL backed Miami, what some would see as cheating. But, Goodell said it was fine. Ok. Which is it, Rogie? Oh Rogie! Where are you Rogie?

    Now, if NE did that, you can bet there’d be screaming heard from here to Timbuktu to steal draft picks, massive fines, suspensions, etc, but because it was Miami and NE was the victim of it, all was well.

    See? This is called cheating and it begins and ends at 345 Park Ave. Systematic, institutionalized cheating. Protect AFC teams, and try to frame or harm NE, because a dynasty is a mockery of parity and a Cap League.

    Ya see, people with photographic memories are really quick to spot a liar and Roger Goodell is one.

    All you’re doing is digging a deeper hole for yourself. If Goodell does something stupid and frames again, Kraft has simply got to go rogue and expose the cheating agaisnt his team. No more seat at the big boy table for money, Bob. Tell the truth, expose what’s happened and resign, letting Jonathan run it.

  42. Maybe this is a reason Brady Left.Maybe this is the reason why Deflate Gate was blown out of proportion. Think about it the punishment under the rule book for Brady incident should have been a simple 25 thousand fine but instead 4 Games suspension draft pick taken away and a million dollar fine to the team.Maybe NFL had enough of Billecheck bending the rules and the league is growing inpatient

  43. For cryin’ out loud, would the NFL just land hard on these cheaters and be done with it.
    These wrist slaps are not deterring them.
    Time for year long suspensions for Kraft and Belichick, along with fines and loss of draft picks.

    They need to stop twiddle-dinkin’ around and squash this B.S.

  44. jfm215 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:13 pm
    10 weeks! with the league in hiatus and the Draft around the corner?? And Goodell can’t wrap this up?? Let’s Go NFL

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    It’s the same reason why if Framegate II took like 3 months. They were trying to decide what angle to use. The Pats were aghast at accusation and allowed for multiple interviews to all parties and did what they were supposed to do, and still got framed.

    Ever notice, the statement is made, suspicion created by the media for clicks, but then when the dust settles, we see nothing happened and Goodell lied up front? It’s happened TWICE to NE. It cannot happen a 3rd and Goodell expects to get away with it. No way.

    Goodell couldn’t even admit other teams always do what NE was doing and that the reason he sent out his stupid memo on 9.6.06 to all 32 teams, is because he changed the wording of the rule. His punishment for NE was so Draconian in 2007, it made it appear what NE did was so awful, when the funny part is, it not only wasn’t, Goodell had to make it seem like it was when confronted by it.

    “I don’t care if other teams do it or have done it”….Well, if it’s so offensive and NE gets this harsh punishment, and you’re all about integrity, why wouldn’t you care about these other teams?

    LOL

    Why? Because it wasn’t a thing, everyone in the industry knows, and the GMs and COaches wanted access to scouting anything during a game for POTENTIAL future use. That’s why.

    He didn’t want to tell you Jets owner, Woody Johnson demand that the rule be changed to try to hamper NE’s scouting greatness.

    That’s why all teams got the memo, and BB is no dummy. =He knew WHY Mangini got overpaid to go to the Jets, steal his staff in the division, and then all of a sudden the rule is being changed. So obvious.

    He knows his greatness and the Jets wishes to try top help them better, after they stole Mangini and half NE’s staff, was a way to try to weaken NE. Again, it couldn’t be more obvious. In a way, it’s a compliment, but on that very day Goodell made it clear he was open for business to frame NE whenever it could be done.

    BB has always said “with a list of 100 things to get ready for on a gameday, 99th is something like that”…(looking at a team’s hand signals or gyrations of any kind from any scouting footage in that regard).

    It goes to show you it’s nothing more than due diligence and very much an unlikely aid for a Pats team for anything.

    All teams did what NE did if they so choose until the sideline perch option for the road team was eliminated by Goodell on 9.6.06. That’s really the story; that and BB mocking the hated Woody Johnson and the Jets.

    BB was mocking the Jets on that bright sunny day, and in turn, Goodell himself. Ok. A fine sounds good and stop harrassing my team, please.

    And here we are, 15 years later with PDS (Pats Derangement Syndrome) deeper than ever with no end in sight due to hard work, diligence, brilliance, and selfless team work by NE in a very SELFISH world.

    Our country is absolutely pathetic right now and people are royally dumb.

  45. Concerning bluetooth guy…
    Patriots are just like the guy who gets pulled over speeding, but officer, everyone was speeding.
    Officer–maybe, but this is the 3rd time I’ve caught you speeding this week!
    In other words, Pats, worry about your own messes, you sure have enough of them to be concerned about other teams.

  46. Dannywhite11, I appreciate your post. Novel concept, expecting to convince a Colts fan of the absurdity of Deflategate by illustrating facts that expose the charges against the Patriots as a house of cards.

    Thank you.

  47. patriotmaleorgy says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:27 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:06 pm
    Any update on the Blue Tooth Guy, who was in team gear, you know on the sidelines, behind Harbaugh?

    I gotta tell ya, if Kraft just sits there on this, I am done with him.

    It’s very clear NE did nothing wrong there, and it was at best a fine for Kraft Productions, for not following more of a protocol, like alerting the Bengals themselves.

    For people to think this was some intentional thing, and why on earth it would take this long, is incredibly suspicious.

    Translation: Goodell is still deciding on how to frame this so the gullible public buys it to steal more picks.

    Kraft best not sit idly by this time. He can’t afford to
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    Last I heard Goodell will deal with it after he’s done with Patrick Chungs indictment on cocaine from August.

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    Numerous guys get picked up for real drug possessions. I don’t think this is one of them, even though I know it gets you excited like a dork whose never used marijuana or drugs before.

    As predicted, the charges will get dropped because he wasn’t there and the police cannot collect evidence in someone’s residence like that without a warrant as to why they are there.

    You either know the law or you don’t.

    But, really, why was a guy in Ravens gear standing so close to Harbaugh and why did Lamar Jackson morph into Tim Tebow in the postseason like that? Hmm?

    Lastly, why are you accepting your own team’s explanation but won’t accept NE’s regarding a documentary shoot, when we know Goodell lied about what NE was doing regarding Framegate I?

    Hmm? Care to answer these questions?

  48. GoodellMustGo says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:28 pm
    Bluetooth Guy was literally standing right by the ear of coach Harbaugh. I’ve never seen any head of security in the NFL stand right there.

    I want to know what he was doing there and what he said to Harbaugh…and the league is afraid to tell us for some reason. 🤔

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    I think it’s odd or maybe telling is a better word, that the media hasn’t asked the NFL for a follow up on this when we saw evidence it occurred and the guy is wearing, actual team personnel.

    We’ve been specifically been told, no non-NFL sanctioned technology allowed on the sidelines.

    That’s what that was whether it be Sashi Brown texting down to the sidelines or McAdoo’s walkie talking thing.

    Why is that different? Could it be it’s an AFC team that has potential for beating NE?

    Oh, I think so! I think we have a winner!

  49. nite2al says:
    April 14, 2020 at 6:03 pm
    Concerning bluetooth guy…
    Patriots are just like the guy who gets pulled over speeding, but officer, everyone was speeding.
    Officer–maybe, but this is the 3rd time I’ve caught you speeding this week!
    In other words, Pats, worry about your own messes, you sure have enough of them to be concerned about other teams.

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    No, actually, Mr. Arrogant like your coach (Whinebaugh), is FAIRNESS and the truth.

    Got it?

    Man, you people are so arrogant you can’t even see it.

    “Just frame NE, and protect our own cheating”.

    It ends now.

    Now.

  50. Football God says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:52 pm
    Maybe this is a reason Brady Left.Maybe this is the reason why Deflate Gate was blown out of proportion. Think about it the punishment under the rule book for Brady incident should have been a simple 25 thousand fine but instead 4 Games suspension draft pick taken away and a million dollar fine to the team.Maybe NFL had enough of Billecheck bending the rules and the league is growing inpatient

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    Right on queue, here comes one of our low IQ people who has it completely backwards.

    NE knows they treated unfairly since Framegate I was unveiled, which is how I knew Framegate II was made up as well.

    NE isn’t stupid. They literally check and double check to make sure things are kosher.

    Did you know what NE called into 345 PArk Ave to ask if their Tackle/TE substitution thingy they ran vs Baltimore, because BB saw Saban do it, to get permission to make sure it was ok so there would be no hub about it?

    The NFL confirmed it was legal.

    Ya with me?

    Then what happened? Whinebaugh is at the podium claiming a rule will be put in place because a play run in college beat his team, he was embarrassed, and he made sure the rule was changed to cheat and he took his ball home.

    That’s the equivalent of the Wildcat being used against NE in 2008 and BB demanding a formation used in college needs to be banned. No, it was a good move by Miami and it caught NE by surprise. That’s sports.

    But, what happened after Brady learned of Whinebaugh’s whining and crying? Brady said “check the rule book”.

    And, guess what happened then? Framegate II was born.

    So even when NE does all that they are supposed to by the book, they still get harrassed.

  51. The Patriots will forever be indebted to Goodell for the destruction of Spygate evidence.

  52. patriotmaleorgy says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:43 pm

    Life must be good in never never land. But us in the real world are aware Goodell bailed Belichick out of the biggest cheating scandal in the history of sports by destroying evidence.
    ————————
    Cheating scandal? Houston Astros players be like “hold my beer”

  53. Bengals wondering why Patriots suddenly lost interest in trading for Dalton…They caught ya, Bill!!!!

  54. Translation: we need to buy some more rugs for sweeping these patriot scandals under.

  55. tylawspick6 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 6:18 pm
    Football God says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:52 pm
    Maybe this is a reason Brady Left.Maybe this is the reason why Deflate Gate was blown out of proportion. Think about it the punishment under the rule book for Brady incident should have been a simple 25 thousand fine but instead 4 Games suspension draft pick taken away and a million dollar fine to the team.Maybe NFL had enough of Billecheck bending the rules and the league is growing inpatient

    0 2 Rate This

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    Right on queue, here comes one of our low IQ people who has it completely backwards
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    You’ve been here for awhile bro.

  56. I wonder: is there a correlation to the amount of vitriol and blind hatred here to the sheer amount of winning and success the Patriots have enjoyed over every other team in the league for what seems like an eternity?

    Let me try and read the tea leaves on that riddle…

  57. Hey Florio, can I make a request?

    Next time you talk to the league office, please ask the when they will be releasing the findings from their exhaustive real world “study” in which they took PSI measurements during games in the wake of their #deflategate fiasco? I seem to recall they made it quite clear that they would make those numbers public. Hmmm… wonder why in the world they never did?

  58. When it comes to trolling, Ty Law nosepicker can dish it out.

    But he sure can’t take it.

  59. Translation: we need to buy some more rugs for sweeping these patriot scandals under.
    ————–

    Really? Then why have they received some of the harshest penalties in NFL history? You need to hide under a rug and stay there.

  60. Ballsdeep says:
    April 14, 2020 at 6:24 pm
    The Patriots will forever be indebted to Goodell for the destruction of Spygate evidence
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    Or is it the other way around? He handled it wrong as a rookie commish and Belichick and Kraft took advantage of him. If other teams found out what happened, he’d be gone.

  61. “Let me try and read the tea leaves on that riddle…”

    Tea leaves predict the future, bro. Let us know how the Stidham era is supposed to go.

  62. Dannywhite

    Lol. That’s why the rugs exist: to conceal. Hard to punish when the nfl commissioner throws spy gate tape into a fire.

    Oh, and they did get punished harshly for spygate. Remember the fines? Loss of draft picks? Lmao. Sounds like you’re living under a rock. You pats fans amuse me.

  63. dannywhite11 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:12 pm
    Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me. Most corrupt cheating franchise in the history of sports world wide. Brady is the NFLs Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds combined.
    —————–

    The frauds would be the Colts team you root for. Why were 3-4 Colts ball under 12.5? Why were the Colts not punished for using a needle on the side line to check the PSI on the intercepted Pats ball? You will never answer these two questions. The Colts showed they were frauds coming out in the second half. Keep up your crying because no matter how red in face you get nothing will change the Pats have dominated the league for 19 seasons.

    ————

    They’ve dominated the league for 19 seasons and only won 6 times? Not a very good ratio there.

  64. patriotmaleorgy says:
    April 14, 2020 at 6:56 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 6:18 pm
    Football God says:
    April 14, 2020 at 5:52 pm
    Maybe this is a reason Brady Left.Maybe this is the reason why Deflate Gate was blown out of proportion. Think about it the punishment under the rule book for Brady incident should have been a simple 25 thousand fine but instead 4 Games suspension draft pick taken away and a million dollar fine to the team.Maybe NFL had enough of Billecheck bending the rules and the league is growing inpatient

    0 2 Rate This

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    Right on queue, here comes one of our low IQ people who has it completely backwards
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    You’ve been here for awhile bro.

    1 1 Rate This

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    That’s funny because you admit to believing in Goodell and the Tooth Fairy, and I embarrassed you earlier today with the Cowher quote, where you called me a genius.

    You move the goalposts as much your buddy Rogie does to cheat and be disingenuous.

  65. Ballsdeep says:
    April 14, 2020 at 6:24 pm
    The Patriots will forever be indebted to Goodell for the destruction of Spygate evidence.

    8 4 Rate This

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    Why were the tapes aired on ESPN where everyone saw the useless things if they were “destroyed”.

    Also if the person accused of something that they didn’t even do, as proven, why would their be a need to “destroy evidence”?

    Please do not vote in November. lol

  66. coreycroom says:
    April 14, 2020 at 4:10 pm
    PR nonsense. “Investigations” into RiCO cases don’t take this long. League just trying to stick it to Kraft by leaving this fake case hanging in the wind.
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    I dont think there is any plan to screw Kraft nor to gloss this over. Which of those or whatever it will be is not decided as of yet. Goddell likes to drag these out (not just with the Patriots, we have seen others) so that he can have them in his back pocket for as long as possible. They become handy bargaining chips for other behind the scenes stuff. How they get used, and how they affect a team good or bad will depend on Goodells needs at the time he plays the card.

  67. Ballsdeep says:
    April 14, 2020 at 6:24 pm
    The Patriots will forever be indebted to Goodell for the destruction of Spygate evidence.

    ————————-
    Thats actually untrue. No evidence was destroyed. They destroyed the Patriots library of legal video as part of the punishment. NE had to start rebuilding that from scratch while other teams still had theirs, a competitive disadvantage.

    As far as what you are calling evidence, not only did Goodell not destroy it, its not even destroyed. Im actually surprised you never saw it because it got so much airtime. It is pretty meaningless and boring. But the point is that if we are all watching it on tv then its not destroyed.

  68. Law’s daily meltdowns are becoming more and more disturbing. Kid needs a job.

  69. Look, I’m a Raiders fan living in New England. I’m definitely not a fan of the Patriots, but I’m no hater either. Sorry Raider Nation. Anyway, I don’t necessarily know if this was cheating or have irrefutable evidence that they were totally guilty before. I think they are a well run organization that has a really smart coach and had a really smart QB. They won because they were better than the competition.

    That being said, I think Bill pushes the limits every chance he gets. It has led to many accusations, some punitive action, and a general disdain for the way they conduct business…everywhere outside of New England anyway. The Patriots have done this dance enough to be the reason for the rule book. I’m confident that Bill knows it better than anyone, so intentions are irrelevant here.

    An organization with their kind of history simply has to be even more vigilant than the rest of the teams. You have to know that you can’t afford the slightest perception of impropriety or your squad will be torched for it…in the eyes of the public…and possibly in the eyes of the league. If you are truly innocent and this was an honest mistake, too bad. You should have been more on top of it. You have a history so you do not get the benefit of the doubt because you claim ignorance.

    You’re the general Bill. Your bad either way! Sorry for your players if they suffer as a result, but that’s on you. Just you. I don’t believe for a second that you are oblivious to anything happening around you…ever.

  70. What other teams Havre been accused of cheating time after time?
    That’s why we believe it.

  71. This was obviously a repeat offense for the Patriots* They were filming the sideline of their next Opponent looking to pick up signals etc. The crew had the same ” Filming a Documentary “excuse and offer to delete it as last time. They didn’t even change the script for if they got caught. If they were doing a “Documentary” they could have filmed the sideline of a time they were not playing in 2019 or a team they already played. We are to believe that they just happened to be in Cincinnati filming the week before they played them and that it was merely a coincidence. Ridiculous. Take away their entire draft for 2020 and suspend their Coaching staff for the year.
    =============================

    I have to give credit where it’s due: This is brilliant satire. Nicely done.

  72. catquick says:
    April 14, 2020 at 8:16 pm
    What other teams Havre been accused of cheating time after time?
    That’s why we believe it.

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    That would mean your IQ falls well below 100.

    You see no correlation between jealousy, the Jets setting this whole thing off by stealing Manboobs in 2006, half of the staff with overpayments to try to weaken the Pats, a commissioner Woody Johnson volunteered to “hire”, after BB left the Jets at the altar in 2000, huh?

    Watch the Two Bills documentary. You literally have BB and Parcells cringing at the existence of Woody Johnson and the Jets.

    Man, we have some really dumb people walking around our society.

    Really dumb.

    NE has never cheated. Period.

    The physical act of scouting your games with a video coordinator is not cheating. Every team does this. The rule of having your guy on the road on the sideline was officially changed on 9.6.06. NE did nothing different than any team prior to that date.

    I Jan 2015, Brady was framed after NE came back twice vs
    Baltimore and called into 345 Park Ave to ask if the substitutions were legal, they were, and they used them and then Brady was annoyed by Whinebaugh’s postgame comment, responded, and voila, the jealousy was boiling again as NE was on its way to yet another sb.

    Do you people always not have facts in real life to make proper
    decisions and judgements? Seriously. It is old news that NE was framed due to jealousy and it being known that the Kraft//BB/Brady trio were not going to stop their crafts anytime soon as team rifle through GM, coaching changes and the desperate search for even a competent qb.

    Brady was exonerated in an objective federal court and you people still don’t see it.

    You’re mentally disturbed. Seek help.

  73. Give it a break already. The Patriots have been caught cheating so many times, and Belichick is still in the league. I’m sure they didn’t get caught every time they cheated either.

  74. crush22 says:
    April 14, 2020 at 8:34 pm
    Been awhile since we’ve seen an epic TyLaw meltdown!
    Welcome back!!

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    easy bludgeonings of moutbreathers like you and others are not “meltdowns“

    It is done swiftly and with ease.

    People from rural Indiana struggle with building up the iq, as is widely known. Purdue is about the only normal thing from that ugly hole of yours. It’s literally a bottom 5 state in the union. lol

    good luck in your future, though and please do not vote or procreate

  75. Re some of the above, the whole debacle was as damaging to Goodell and the league as it was to NE and both were better served by moving on from it.

  76. At this point, it really does not matter what the footage shows. The repeated violations are a bigger issue than the magnitude of what the violation itself. Like or not, the Patriots had this on them, and getting tagged with another violation of the same kind is just too much to ignore. If you get pulled for speeding three times, they increase your punishment. Even if you didn’t mean to. Even if you only went one over the limit. Belichick may or may not have even seen the tape, but everyone in that organization should at least be familiar with any and all taping regulations in the NFL by now. If they weren’t then, they should be at the moment.

  77. Give it a break already. The Patriots have been caught cheating so many times, and Belichick is still in the league. I’m sure they didn’t get caught every time they cheated either.
    —————-

    They were caught once in 2007. Admitted it and took the punishment. I find it funny that other teams cheat but you will look the other way thinking only the Pats “cheat”. Why should BB be out of the league? You want this for selfish reasons so the team you root for might have a better chance of being relevant.

  78. Anyone with a reasonable amount of critical thinking and reasoning skills that has seen the video can come to a logical conclusion.

  79. The interviews were completed a couple months ago and they have all they need If there was a connection to the football ops Belichick’s suspension would have been announced already. No way they let him be involved with the upcoming draft.

    It wasn’t found. This was an error by the video crew alone, i will never acknowledge it as cheating because it isn’t. But honestly a fine or low draft pick revocation is deserved because they should have done whatever it took to prevent anyone from pointing a camera at the sideline. Optics.

  80. But, really, why was a guy in Ravens gear standing so close to Harbaugh and why did Lamar Jackson morph into Tim Tebow in the postseason like that? Hmm?
    ______________________________

    My thoughts, exactly. If you have a bluetooth in operation, why would you need to be so close?
    I would love to see Tim Tebow put up 500 yards in any game, let alone a playoff game.
    THE PATRIOTS ARE MULTIPLE CONVICTED CHEATERS!!
    Leave other teams alone and take your punishment, again!

  81. NE has never cheated. Period.

    ——
    The Rams walkthrough story was debunked and it was an embellishment of what Walsh actually said and science has proven Deflategate didn’t happen.

    Their only genuine slip up was 2007 Spygate. Still a stretch for me to call that cheating because they weren’t hiding anything. Cheaters always hide what they are doing. Always. Bill just ignored the memo because he thought he could. He has rightfully said he regrets doing that and will check next time with the league first.

  82. Brady is no longer a Patriot and it sounds like he left on not so great terms with Bill.

    Let’s see what he has to say now on all of this. I bet he like every former Patriot before him will not talk about this secretive cheating operation going on in NE. Because that is nonsense and even the Patriot haters know that. 🙂

  83. The Rams walkthrough story was debunked and it was an embellishment of what Walsh actually said and science has proven Deflategate didn’t happen.
    _______________________

    Wrong again. You could see on multiple plays in that game where Pat’s linebackers and DBs were practically running the routes of Rams’ receivers for them. Plays they just installed that week. And Marshall Faulk is still hot about it.
    If you don’t think your team is bonafided cheaters, then why did Mangini called Bill and say don’t do it to me? Because he coached there too and knew BB’s sneaky ways. Own it, NE. That’s all.

  84. nite2al says:
    April 15, 2020 at 8:22 am
    The Rams walkthrough story was debunked and it was an embellishment of what Walsh actually said and science has proven Deflategate didn’t happen.
    _______________________

    Wrong again. You could see on multiple plays in that game where Pat’s linebackers and DBs were practically running the routes of Rams’ receivers for them. Plays they just installed that week. And Marshall Faulk is still hot about it.
    If you don’t think your team is bonafided cheaters, then why did Mangini called Bill and say don’t do it to me? Because he coached there too and knew BB’s sneaky ways. Own it, NE. That’s all.
    ——
    Nope. The story was debunked and the media twisted what Walsh actually said into something it wasn’t. They prepared very well for that game as having the GOAT head coach does more often than not. Faulk is entitled to his opinion… so is Warner who has said the opposite.

  85. db105 says:
    April 15, 2020 at 6:37 am
    Anyone with a reasonable amount of critical thinking and reasoning skills that has seen the video can come to a logical conclusion.

    ——
    That is right. I saw a video of a random guy taping the sidelines. Could have been footage shot by anyone. What I did not see- and this is important – sideline- to formation- to scoreboard like on the Spygate tape. That convinced me it was not nefarious and by the sounds of it the league completely agrees.

  86. Still waiting on those psi readings from a few years back as well? You know the ones that will never see the light of day because they clear Brady of all wrong doing.

  87. So let me get this straight – the claim is that the Pats illegally filmed the sideline of a game in order to be able to beat the Bengals? The team that has the 1st pick in next week’s draft, owing to them having the worst record in the entire NFL last season? THOSE Bengals? C’mon, man…………….

  88. I would love to see Tim Tebow put up 500 yards in any game, let alone a playoff game.
    THE PATRIOTS ARE MULTIPLE CONVICTED CHEATERS!!
    Leave other teams alone and take your punishment, again!
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________

    Baltimore has also been fined multiple times for rule infractions, so they are multiple convicted cheaters.

    I would love to see Lamar win a playoff game. So far, that has evaded him.

  89. bos4ny3 says:
    April 15, 2020 at 11:58 am
    So let me get this straight – the claim is that the Pats illegally filmed the sideline of a game in order to be able to beat the Bengals? The team that has the 1st pick in next week’s draft, owing to them having the worst record in the entire NFL last season? THOSE Bengals? C’mon, man………
    —————
    Bengals played them tough for the first half. But the crazy thing is they lost back to back games in Foxboro for the first in many seasons. And one of those losses was to a team picking 5th in this years draft.

  90. I get the inquiry, but what I don’t get is how this is remotely enforceable. What’s stopping someone in the stands from whipping out their mobile phone and recording everything?

  91. aquineas1 says:
    April 15, 2020 at 1:26 pm
    I get the inquiry, but what I don’t get is how this is remotely enforceable. What’s stopping someone in the stands from whipping out their mobile phone and recording everything?
    ————————

    Honestly, there is nothing to stop back. Plus the technology in your average cell phone has gotten incredibly good for this. So probably every team does exactly that and its a piece of cake hiding your guys in among a crowd with thousands doing the exact same thing simply for their own remembrances. I don’t have any actual knowledge of teams doing that, but you are correct to note how easy it is.

  92. nite2al says:
    April 15, 2020 at 8:22 am
    The Rams walkthrough story was debunked and it was an embellishment of what Walsh actually said and science has proven Deflategate didn’t happen.
    _______________________

    Wrong again. You could see on multiple plays in that game where Pat’s linebackers and DBs were practically running the routes of Rams’ receivers for them. Plays they just installed that week. And Marshall Faulk is still hot about it.
    If you don’t think your team is bonafided cheaters, then why did Mangini called Bill and say don’t do it to me? Because he coached there too and knew BB’s sneaky ways. Own it, NE. That’s all.

    ————————
    Its amazing that when the NFL is all about getting players all coached up well that anyone would not be able to recognize what well coached players look like.

    You can trust that if the Rams honestly believed the Patriots players had the routes figured out (because that does actually happen in games ya know? Not just the Patriots either) they would have switched them up, which is another thing that is common in the NFL.

  93. They need time to come up with a cover story for why they are wasting more time and $ tilting at windmills, again.

    Fascinating how imagined infractions are actually punished and actual infractions seem to go away, if you’re wearing the right uni that is. TB should have jumped to Pittsburgh, Indy or NYG. It’s like being Kryptonian under a yellow sun.

  94. Yet another cheating scandal involving these frauds. How anyone on the planet can take any of their accomplishments seriously is beyond me. Most corrupt cheating franchise in the history of sports world wide. Brady is the NFLs Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds combined

    Um, you do realize that D’Qwell Jackson has come out and said that he never said the ball “felt a little flat”?

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