Dolphins have done plenty of work on Justin Herbert

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For much of the 2019 NFL season, the Dolphins were accused of tanking so they could take Alabama quarterback Tua Tagovailoa with the first overall pick in the draft. That wasn’t the case: Miami didn’t tank, ended up with the fifth overall pick, and now there’s growing talk that the Dolphins may pass on Tagovailoa even if he’s available at No. 5.

That’s because they may prefer Oregon quarterback Justin Herbert.

Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald the Dolphins have done a significant amount of work studying Herbert over the last two years, and recently had a video conference with him. According to the report, the Dolphins are impressed with Herbert’s size and arm strength but are aware of some evaluators’ concerns about about his accuracy, as well as whether he’ll grow to be a team leader as a franchise quarterback.

Tagovailoa was a better college quarterback than Herbert, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be a better pro quarterback. And there are injury concerns about Tagovailoa that aren’t there with Herbert.

With the draft one week away, Herbert’s stock seems to be rising, and it wouldn’t be surprised to hear his name called before Tagovailoa’s.

40 responses to “Dolphins have done plenty of work on Justin Herbert

  1. Classic Predraft smoke n mirrors. Teams will put their month where their mouth is in 7 days.

  2. I am also a fan of Herbert. Tua’s a nice guy and had a (mostly) great career, but I have never felt he was going to be an elite NFL QB. Certainly wish him luck but I do not see it.

  3. I don’t get how a QB with a badly injured hip could even be remotely considered a top-10 pick. It’s not an ankle or knee, which is easily rehabbed. If I’m a GM, I’m socially distancing my whole team away from Tua!

  4. No way they draft him but you have to remember they did give up a 2nd and 5th rounder last year for a back up qb.

  5. I personally would take Burrow, Herbert, Love, and Eason over Tua. More because I feel Tua will be injury prone than anything else.

  6. If Tua is there at #5, take him. Remember the other quarterback the Dolphins passed on because of ‘injury concerns’? That quarterback was Drew Brees. How’d that work out for Miami?

  7. People act like the hip is tua’s only injury. Just at bama he had a broken finger, a knee sprain, both ankle sprains, and the hip. He also missed the manning passing academy in the offseason of his jr year with a hamstring injury. Hurt guys get hurt.

  8. Luck and Newton came to the NFL with the advantage of being “big and strong.” What are the prospects for a (still gimpy) not-so-big player injured every year on a dominant college team?

  9. Dolphins need to finalize a trade with Cincinnati and draft Burrow. With Burrow on board, they are set at QB for the next decade and can build a perennial playoff team.

  10. I think the Dolphins are going to trade back and get extra picks. If you’re going to tank, this is the year to tank for Trevor Lawrence. If the Dolphons are really spending a lot of time closely examining this crop of QBs, they’ll find big holes in everyone except Burrow. Maybe they’ll figure out a way to get Burrow. They do have the picks to move up. The Dolphins have a good opportunity to turn their franchise around. They just have to make the right decisions.

  11. grant35 says:
    April 16, 2020 at 5:59 am

    I don’t get how a QB with a badly injured hip could even be remotely considered a top-10 pick. It’s not an ankle or knee, which is easily rehabbed. If I’m a GM, I’m socially distancing my whole team away from Tua!
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    Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller lists Tagovailoa as the sixth-best prospect overall and second among players at his position.

    Daniel Jeremiah of NFL Network believes Tagovailoa will be the third quarterback off the board, going sixth overall to the Los Angeles Chargers.

    Since Tagovailoa is unable to travel and undergo physicals for teams in person because of the COVID-19 pandemic, teams have had to trust the latest word on his progress, and the Crimson Tide signal-caller HAS PASSED NUMEROUS MEDICAL TESTS.
    In early March, Tua passed his four-month check-in, according to NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport.

    Later that month, he posted a video of himself throwing the football. On April 2, his representatives told Laura Rutledge of ESPN that the results of Tua’s medical recheck “WERE OVERWHELMINGLY POSITIVE.” A week later, ESPN’s Stephania Bell reported that Dr. Lyle Cain and Dr. Chip Routt, who have been significantly involved in Tagovailoa’s recoveries, said Tua is WORKING OUT NORMALLY AND SHOULD BE GOOD TO GO FOR TRAINING CAMP.

    The doctors also said the long-term view on Tagovailoa’s HIP IS “EXCELLENT.” Ultimately, SIGNS POINT TO Tagovailoa BEING JUST FINE FOR TRAINING CAMP AND THE BEGINNING OF THE 2020 SEASON. We’ll soon find out how teams feel about the quarterback when the virtual draft kicks off. (Article from Bleacher Report)

  12. For a comparison I feel Herbert is a lesser prospect than Josh Allen, so take that for what it is. Herbert has prototypical size and arm strength. He is a good athlete and shows the ability to make all the throws. The problem is that he is wildly inaccurate. Also don’t be fooled by the numbers he put up in the Pac 12. A lot of his numbers are based on Oregon’s quick screens and hitches. If I were to compare him to last years QB’s, even with all the hate he gets I think Haskins was a superior prospect to Herbert. Only thing Herbert would have on Haskins is mobility. I personally prefer Jordan Love to Herbert. Love has a significantly higher bust ceiling but his upside far outweighs Herbert’s relatively lower ceiling.

  13. Drew Brees has a severe injury to his shoulder. His throwing shoulder. He’s small for a QB, and the NCAA is not the NFL. Brees is a great QB but there is no way he can stand up to the punishment in the NFL. Pass. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  14. Herbert has the most important ability and that is dependability. You can’t win games if your always hurt. If Tua couldn’t stay healthy in high school or college then there is a pretty good chance he won’t stay healthy in the NFL. And on a side note the Dolphins need to rebuild their offensive line before drafting a really good runningback because if your offensive line don’t protect the quarterback or open holes for your runningback you aren’t going to win many games. And last year the Dolphins had the worst offensive line in the NFL.

  15. grant35 says:
    April 16, 2020 at 5:59 am
    I don’t get how a QB with a badly injured hip could even be remotely considered a top-10 pick. It’s not an ankle or knee, which is easily rehabbed. If I’m a GM, I’m socially distancing my whole team away from Tua!

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    Well, that settles it. Bob “never makes the right decision” Quinn will draft Tua at #3 and trade Stafford for a 6th round pick

  16. Barry Jackson may have done significant work, but it’s wrong. ALL. WRONG.

    If Tua is there at No. 5, Miami is scooping him. It’s s mokescreen cause they don’t want to have to worry about LAC making a trade before them, leaping into the no. 4 spot.

    You don’t pass a QB that was an elite player in college and if not for the hip injury, would have had an amazing season, almost level with Burrows.

    Either this is a smokescreen by MIA to ask Mr. Jackson to write this or Barry really is this dumb

  17. MortimerInMiami says:
    April 16, 2020 at 8:17 am
    Accuracy issues? sounds like Tannehill.
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    That sounds like ignorance, because it is.

    The Dolphins have some very good picks to make in order to make their team better. Sit on all those picks and skip the QB completely. I like Burrow but he’s too expensive. Tua is brittle and a ‘Bama QB. Herbert is an Oregon QB and I have not been impressed with any of them at the pro level since Fouts. Create a dominant offensive line and even lesser QBs and RBs can look pretty good. Fill the holes with quality players and then design the schemes around the best player mix you can make. This team can be built to be a lasting contender but not if they run into the draft like a teenager with his first paycheck. Make smart picks rather than splash picks. Count this year as an evaluation year for the young guys and then use that data to maximize next year’s draft. Whatever the record is this year does not really matter because the focus should be to create a cohesive TEAM. If Flores is as good as some fans think then the wins will come. Let’s not make the same mistakes that have plagued the Dolphins over the last 2 decades.

  18. greedyjimfromtonhicken says:
    April 16, 2020 at 9:25 am

    Herbert has the most important ability and that is dependability. You can’t win games if your always hurt. If Tua couldn’t stay healthy in high school or college then there is a pretty good chance he won’t stay healthy in the NFL. And on a side note the Dolphins need to rebuild their offensive line before drafting a really good runningback because if your offensive line don’t protect the quarterback or open holes for your runningback you aren’t going to win many games. And last year the Dolphins had the worst offensive line in the NFL.
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    Tua wouldn’t have been offered scholarships to USC, Alabama and other major schools if he was injured in high school. Tua wouldn’t be considered a top 5 draft pick if he was always hurt. Tua has had 1 (again 1) serious injury ever.

    Tua somehow was able to complete 425 passes for 76 tds against just 9 ints combined the last 2 seasons despite being “always injured”, according to you.

  19. golions1 says:
    April 16, 2020 at 9:06 am

    Drew Brees has a severe injury to his shoulder. His throwing shoulder. He’s small for a QB, and the NCAA is not the NFL. Brees is a great QB but there is no way he can stand up to the punishment in the NFL. Pass. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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    Drew Brees is a 1st ballot hall of famer after he retires.

  20. Tua is a much better prospect than Herbert. If I were to compare last year’s quarterback class and have Herbert in it, I’d take him after Daniel Jones and he’d be fighting to be picked where Haskins was picked. Herbert didn’t come from a pro style offense and i think he needs time on the bench to learn just like Haskins had. Tua could start right away if needed.
    The last time Miami passed on a quarterback people thought was injury prone was Drew Brees. Let’s see if history repeats itself

  21. “Accuracy issues? sounds like Tannehill.”

    Funny Tannehill was excellent in TN last season after he got away from the Fins.

    If he had accuracy problems in Miami it was most likely due to the awful Olines they put in front of him most years.

  22. greedyjimfromtonhicken says:

    April 16, 2020 at 9:25 am

    Herbert has the most important ability and that is dependability. You can’t win games if your always hurt. If Tua couldn’t stay healthy in high school or college then there is a pretty good chance he won’t stay healthy in the NFL.
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    Not totally disagreeing but just to play devil’s advocate, Herbert has had some injuries too and prior to Tua’s hip injury he missed all of ONE college football game.

  23. All QBs get injuries at some point. It’s not as though Tua is a china doll. The hip injury was freakish (same as Bo Jackson), and his ankle, while weight bearing, can survive OK (as long as he has a somewhat decent O-line). If the talent and mental evaluators say that Tua is a better QB, then that is the logical choice for Miami. No disrespect to Herbert, he may be a fine choice for somebody in the first round.

  24. I would sign Cam Newton and then use every single draft pick on the absolute best player available when the selection comes up. The Dolphins roster is still a barren wasteland of talent. They have 14 picks and they need all of them to make their team.

    It’s bizarre that all of the talk is Tua or Herbert at 5 or move up and give up picks to even just get one of those two. If they’re at 5 and that Freak of Nature Simmons is still on the board, that’s who they should pick.

  25. The Browns are not drafting a tackle. They’re trading up to get Tua, Conklin will be protecting his blind side at RT since Tua is left handed.

  26. If Miami passes on Tua, then the NEXT logical decision is…TANK FOR TREVOR !

  27. If Tua and Herbert are there at #5, I take a Big Left Tackle. LOL!! Maybe at #18, but there are other options. Jordan Love, Eason in the 2nd round and I think a team can score Jalen Hurts in the 3rd round. All he does is win football games. (38-4) The best LT (safer pick) we can get is with the #5th pick.

  28. For the past few months on draft discussions, its been Tua, Tua, Tua. He is definitely going top 5.

  29. xw65 says:
    April 16, 2020 at 10:57 am
    I would sign Cam Newton and then use every single draft pick on the absolute best player available when the selection comes up. The Dolphins roster is still a barren wasteland of talent. They have 14 picks and they need all of them to make their team.

    It’s bizarre that all of the talk is Tua or Herbert at 5 or move up and give up picks to even just get one of those two. If they’re at 5 and that Freak of Nature Simmons is still on the board, that’s who they should pick.

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    I said this to a friend the other day. If the Dolphins sign Cam and Cam is back to 100% that will give the Dolphins the BEST offense in the afc east on day 1. Drafting Simmons out of Clemson would make that fins defense a nightmare. Cam gives BB problems whenever the pats have to play him. The main reason the fins should get Cam is because who in their right mind thinks the fins can draft and develop a QB at the rate Bellicheck can??? Belicheck is either going to draft and develop one or he will fleece the fins for Rosen either way it goes now is the time for Miami to strike in a wide open division.

  30. Clitoral Hood says:
    April 16, 2020 at 7:51 am
    If Tua is there at #5, take him. Remember the other quarterback the Dolphins passed on because of ‘injury concerns’? That quarterback was Drew Brees. How’d that work out for Miami?

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    Drew Brees had already played in the NFL and had showed success, but was a QB with a torn labrum. At the time, it made sense for Miami to pass on him. Tua played behind a top 5 NCAA O-Line and got injured repeatedly, proving he has a brittle body and is a huge risk to take with a top 10 pick. Go ask a Redskins fan how drafting a brittle bodied QB works out.

  31. MortimerInMiami says:
    April 16, 2020 at 8:17 am
    Accuracy issues? sounds like Tannehill.
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    Are you talking about the guy who led the NFL in Passer Rating, Yards per attempt and was 3rd in completion % last year? The guy who ended with a 70.3% completion rate?
    Because that guy looks pretty accurate to me.

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