Dolphins want to get No. 3 and No. 5 in effort to get to No. 1

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The Dolphins aren’t trying to get the third overall pick from the Lions without giving up the fifth overall pick in order to make two picks in the top five. Instead, the Dolphins believe that a potential Godfather offer to the Bengals for the first overall pick would be even harder to refuse if the Dolphins offer both No. 3 and No. 5 as part of the package.

Per a league source, that’s the primary purpose of the Miami effort to finagle No. 3 from Detroit.

If the Dolphins pull it off, the Bengals would then have to ask themselves whether they’d rather have quarterback Joe Burrow or, for example, the best tackle on the board at No. 3 and either quarterback Justin Herbert or quarterback Tua Tagovailoa, plus whatever else Miami would be offering.

Of course, it won’t matter if the Dolphins can’t squeeze No. 3 from the Lions without giving up No. 5. But if the Dolphins somehow end up with a pair to top-five picks, don’t be surprised if the next move entails an effort to get to the top of the mountain, via a huge pile of draft picks.

88 responses to “Dolphins want to get No. 3 and No. 5 in effort to get to No. 1

  1. I mean, for the Bengals that would be pretty hard to pass up. I don’t think the Lions give up the 3, but man…that would be nuts.

  2. You have nothing if you don’t have a good QB. I hope for my Browns sake Cinci takes the deal. But if I were Cinci, I’d stick with plan A and rebuild around Burrow for the next decade.

  3. Better plan of attack would be to offer Cincy: 5,18,26,39,56,70 and next year’s #1. Let Cincy decide how they want to spend that bounty of picks to move where they’d like? Cincy would be loaded, Burrows would get killed behind that Miami line, but both teams get what they want.

  4. Bengals, take burrow. I know the temptation is wrong but he is by far the best WB in the draft. Tua is great but that hip ain’t gonna hold up in the afc north. If tua hadn’t gotten injured I’d trade Miami all day but as it is burrow is the guy. He’s the tiger king for Christ sake.

  5. If this trade happens, then Burrow and Tua will forever be linked. “If the Dolphins hadn’t made that huge package…” Tua + [the 2nd/3rd best player in the draft] versus Burrow. Ignore the rest of the package. Two or three of the first 4 will be QBs. that means you can get the 2nd or 3rd best player in the draft. Washington will likely take that edge rusher. So there is only one wild card at #4.

  6. So what they’d have to send next years first plus 18 and 26 for 3? If that’s even enough… Then trade 3 and 5 for the 1st overall pick?
    Man…. don’t do it Miami. Your OL needs help. Your weapons are meh. Your D is in shambles.
    Use your picks, build a roster, then get a QB in 2021 or 2022. If you build it right you can get a bum in the 4th round like Dak Prescott to make you competitive.

  7. And if thats the case I think that the Dolphins are nuts for that offer and the Bengals would be nuts to turn it down.

    The Dolphins have the perfect draft set-up to really improve their franchise across the entire roster and they appear to be getting too cute. I dont like it, and Im not a Dolphins fan.

  8. If I were Bengals, I would do it in a second. But the story line of Ohio Boy playing for the Bengals is too strong for Bengals to move out of the #1 pick.

  9. Not enough. They are clearly desperate. If they think Burrow is a Franchise QB for the next 1-2 decades: give me picks 3 and 5, then all your 2nd, 3rd, and 4ths. And your 1st and 2nd in 2021.

    Then we will talk.

    Throw in AJ green and 3rd in 2021 and you got a deal.

  10. This would be another really dumb move in a series of dumb moves by this team. Burrow will be OK, but not great. Certainly not worth the price being asked. Miami is more than one player away. They need two drafts to start turning it around. Use these first 3 rounders to build the team. Lets not forget this team gave away players that were pro bowlers and all pro last year.

  11. It’s all about having the right coaches to develop these guys. There might be 10 coaches who know what their doing in developing QB’s. The others are just fronting like they know how.If the dolphins got Burrows, who’s going to develop him? Who’s the QB coach? Is he legit?

    If not, they it doesn’t matter who they draft to play QB.

  12. Bengals. Ask yourself this: If a team is willing to do ALL of that for Burrow, why not keep him?

  13. You know it would be funny if the Bengals traded borrow and get a boat load of draft picks, and managed to draft a good quarterback and rebuild their team.
    As for the dolphins, history shows that a quarterback that goes to a garbage team may elevate them a little bit so they don’t draft high but they don’t advance to the playoffs.
    You can’t add a QB to a horrible team there has to be some players there for him to work with.

  14. If you throw enough against the wall than maybe it will stick! The Dolphins own not only two first and second round picks in 2020 but also 2 first and second round picks in 2021 that is 9 picks in the first two rounds that they have to bargain with.

    The Bengals WILL NOT give up their pick for anything! Would the Dolphins if they owned the first pick in the draft give it up for anything? In fact there are a few teams if they had that pick that would trade it because Chase Young in just as tempting as any QB.

  15. If the Bengals could wind up with 3 and 5, they would be insane to pass it up. So they will.

    You know what’s better than getting the best QB in the draft? Getting the second best QB and a stud tackle to keep him off his back. Plus you probably get another high pick. Three contributors for the price of one. At least.

    Do I need to remind everyone the Joe Burrow lost a QB competition to Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State?

  16. In what world would a Lions front office, who is on a win now or else edict, give up # 3 and move to #18? They might as well turn in their resignation letter to Martha at the same time they turn in the trade card to Roger!

  17. If this trade does happen, I’m guessing that if the Bengals had a QB and OL they badly wanted, they could work out a deal to swap with the Giants (4 for 5). Then, if the Giants were smart, they could trade out of 5 and end up with a basket full of picks from the two trades.

    It all shows you just how valuable QBs are. No other position is in the same galaxy of value.

  18. So, the Dolphins, in need of a starting QB, are willing to give that much capitol to get a QB. Wouldn’t the Bengals, in need of a starting QB, just take the QB? There is a reason Miami wants Burrow and not Tua or Herbert. Are they stupid trying to trade up? No. Burrow looks like the real deal and that is worth a LOT more than a few 1st rd picks.

    I’d understand if the Bengals already had a QB. They don’t. QB is the most important position on the team.

    The Browns made a habit of trading down in recent years. Resulting in bust after bust after bust. Trading down is a gamble.

    If the Bengals love Burrow and think he will be their starting QB for years to come. They take him with no regrets.

  19. I don’t have a horse in this race, but all due respect to Bengals fans – it would be more exciting if Joe Burrow played for Miami. Get on that grass field down in south florida with a better program, younger team. He’d have a better chance to live up to that hype too

  20. Also it looks like maybe the Pats ultimately screwed the Dolphins by losing to them at the end of 2019 lol

  21. Any wonder why New England has owned this division for so long? These guys could shoot themselves in the foot while shooting themselves in the foot

  22. Joe Burrow had one great season. One.

    Brady, Brees, Mahomes, Rodgers…. there’s plenty of QB value after #1.

  23. Antonio Brown Where Are You? says:
    April 23, 2020 at 12:23 pm

    You know it would be funny if the Bengals traded borrow and get a boat load of draft picks, and managed to draft a good quarterback and rebuild their team.
    As for the dolphins, history shows that a quarterback that goes to a garbage team may elevate them a little bit so they don’t draft high but they don’t advance to the playoffs.
    You can’t add a QB to a horrible team there has to be some players there for him to work with.
    ==================
    See Peyton Manning & Andrew Luck. Both turned around horrible teams (Colts both times). The Patriots were 5-11 the year before Brady started.

  24. Factor in how iffy QB picks are and this is even more nuts. Burrows was spectacular last year but there are always tons of guys who look great in college but never quite make it in the NFL. The most likely outcome is that both Burrows and Tua will be “okay” which would make this sort of deal a total disaster.

  25. I think it is pretty fun/cool watching these teams (Benglas, Dophins, Lions) playing high stakes hardball to try and get back into relevancy and success. I don’t know to root for, but I love the intensity of what’s on the line and the risk taking. Definitely worth the risk to go all in on a quarterback of the future, but you better do your homework and get lucky or you become the Redskins with Griffen and many others.

  26. As a Bengals fan I say keep Burrow.

    We may need line help if you’re drafting one at 3rd overall it should be a left tackle and we drafted the best one 10th overall last year but he didn’t play do to a torn pec in ota’’

    I’d hate to draft Tua at 3 with his injuries and the next option could be the Ohio corner but we just signed 2 in free agency for big money and William Jackson is almost finished with his rookie deal.

    Next I suppose a complimentary receiver to Green, Boyd, and Ross? Again we seem to have that position covered.

    I guess we could get the Clemson lb at 3, Tau at 5, and a RT with the last pick if we can get three somehow. If we could get that haul I say trade away.

  27. realitypolice says:
    April 23, 2020 at 12:26 pm
    If the Bengals could wind up with 3 and 5, they would be insane to pass it up. So they will.

    You know what’s better than getting the best QB in the draft? Getting the second best QB and a stud tackle to keep him off his back. Plus you probably get another high pick. Three contributors for the price of one. At least.

    Do I need to remind everyone the Joe Burrow lost a QB competition to Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State?

    Do you happen, by any chance, to see Burrow play last year? And who he played, and how dominent he was, each and every week? Just curious.

  28. “Better plan of attack would be to offer Cincy: 5,18,26,39,56,70 and next year’s #1.”

    No that would be lunacy, giving up 7 potential immediate impact players for 1 when there are other good QBs in the draft. Its not like Burrow is the only QB in the entire draft.

    Fins have way too many holes in their roster to give up that much.

  29. People REALLY seem to think that Burrow is the “cant-miss-real-deal”

    Will be interesting to see if he really is…

  30. I do not believe anyone should take Joe Burrows over Chase Young. He’s the best player in this draft and I’d rather have a can’t miss pass rusher any day over a QB who is a boom or bust prospect.
    To me, the Bengals should draft Young and not look back.

  31. Very much an “RGIII” type of scenario that could set the Dolphins WAY back if it doesn’t work out. I could see this for Trevor Lawrence, but not Joe Burrows. The team that really wins here is the Giants as a great player will push to their spot due to the annual “QB Run” at the top of the draft.

  32. Armando Saguelo the Miami beat writer (hack) made all this stuff up. It is a BS theory. The Bengals are not trading out and this contrived fake media hype is just a ploy to get the Giants and Miami fighting over getting the #3 for a Tackle. Nothing to see here. The Lions are in the best position as they will get trade partners and get their CB if they drop back to atleast 8. Read his article… Armando literally says he has no proof of anything. Stop writing about rumors and enjoy the Draft.

  33. The two tremendous impact players of this draft will likely be Burrow and Young. Picks #3 and #5 will not get the Bengals either one so they should not accept the Dolphins offer.

  34. Burrow is a Bengal. If there is one thing about Mike Brown that the Dolphins should know is that he is as stubborn as they come. Quite frankly, I wouldn’t make the deal for anything less than all of the Dolphins 1st and second round picks this year and next. So if you are counting that would be 5 first rounders and 3 second rounders. If you want Burrow, your going to pay.

  35. dartmouthstevens says:
    April 23, 2020 at 12:13 pm
    If this trade happens, then Burrow and Tua will forever be linked.
    ___________________________________________________________________________________

    Who cares if they are linked? Mario Williams and Reggie Bush were linked.
    Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariotta were linked…

    Anyone give a damn now?

  36. Burrow is a one year come out of nowhere QB going 1st overall. Like Mitch Trubisky. Tua is the real deal, and worth gambling on his health. He can sit behind Fitz/Rosen for a year, while the OT and WR you draft with those other first round picks develop.

  37. The second best thing about the run up to the draft is all the people that forget that every story before the draft is a smokescreen and a lie.

  38. If I am the Bengals, why agree to a trade now? There is plenty of time till they are on the clock and if Miami really is desperate to deal, they will continue to increase/revise the offer. Obviously Miami is not all in for Tua.

  39. Joe Burrow had one great season. One.

    …………………………………

    How many great Seasons did Brady have?

    Did he get replaced by someone else in College?

    What would any team give for what he did for New England?

    At the end of the day, even if Miami gets the 3rd from Detroit, the Bengals may not budge.

    But that will also mean the Dolphins get Tua and an Olineman. I think they’ll be better off with that.

    Detroit can trade out for a high pick next year…Then they will be in the same sit the Dolphins are now….and they can get a good receiver at 18.

  40. Scenario 1: Bengals draft Burrow. Period.

    Scenario 2: Bengals draft Burrow. If the “other” QB they value (Herbert or Tua) is available when Miami goes on the clock at No. 5, they call the Dolphins and ask for the ransom of picks for Burrow. This guarantees the Bengals get a QB they want plus picks.

  41. Does not matter what they do because the Bungles are still not going to win a playoff game for at least another 5 or 6 years anyway.

  42. Miami should just sit tight right where they`re at in the draft and use ALL 14 picks, in my opinion.

  43. Joe Burrow is praying hard that Miami takes him over the Bengals. Miami is a dumpster fire, but nothing like the Bengals.

  44. Watching the 2005 draft. Aaron Rogers is wilting in his chair. Bengals better take Burrow or the city may revolt and Toss social distancing out the door at Mike Browns home in Indian Hill.

  45. neutral28 says:
    April 23, 2020 at 1:41 pm
    Joe Burrow had one great season. One.

    …………………………………

    How many great Seasons did Brady have?

    Did he get replaced by someone else in College?

    What would any team give for what he did for New England?

    ————–

    For every Tom Brady, there are a 100 over drafted qbs who never came close to living up to their potential. I would list them, but I don’t want to be here all day.

    Brady, in fact, is a better example of why you SHOULDN’T mortgage your future to draft a “can’t miss” QB at number 1.

    All-time great QBs have come from all over the draft board.

  46. imanidiot says:
    April 23, 2020 at 12:50 pm
    realitypolice says:
    April 23, 2020 at 12:26 pm
    If the Bengals could wind up with 3 and 5, they would be insane to pass it up. So they will.

    You know what’s better than getting the best QB in the draft? Getting the second best QB and a stud tackle to keep him off his back. Plus you probably get another high pick. Three contributors for the price of one. At least.

    Do I need to remind everyone the Joe Burrow lost a QB competition to Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State?

    Do you happen, by any chance, to see Burrow play last year? And who he played, and how dominent he was, each and every week? Just curious.
    ———

    I did watch that! He was awesome! I also saw him play in 2018, when he was much less awesome.

    I also saw the QB who soundly beat him out for starting job at Ohio State look completely over-matched with the Redskins last year.

    You know what I haven’t seen? Joe Burrow succeed on a mediocre team with a bad offensive line.

  47. Would be a huge mistake by Dolphins. Even if you say Burrow is going to be a great qb what are they going to surround him with early on? You also start the clock ticking on his rookie contract which means by the time they would start to put pieces around him and possibly compete he would be much closer to his 2nd contract and a huge chunk of their salary cap space. Dolphins have enough picks to put the building blocks together for a great team and then next year look for their qb.

  48. I have yet see where someone giving away multiple high picks comes out the winner. Way back when, New Orleans gave the ‘Skins what 8 or 9 picks for the right to pick Ricky William. Washington won that in a landslide. That might have been dumber than Herschel Walker for a team back in the ’80’s. Then Washington gave up three number ones plus a second to get RGIII. That worked out well for the Ravens, but even not so great for the Rams.

  49. I have to yet see where someone giving away multiple high picks comes out the winner. Way back when, New Orleans gave the ‘Skins what 8 or 9 picks for the right to pick Ricky William. Washington won that in a landslide. That might have been dumber than Herschel Walker for a team back in the ’80’s. Then Washington gave up three number ones plus a second to get RGIII. That worked out well for the Ravens, but not so great for the Rams.

  50. Brady, in fact, is a better example of why you SHOULDN’T mortgage your future to draft a “can’t miss” QB at number 1.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Really? How many 7th rounders have ever done what Brady did?

    How many 1st Rounders or first round picks though have been tremendous qb’s? Particularly the last few years?

    You are going to make the pick…you are going to spend the capital, so why not get the best option?

  51. Cincinnati needs a franchise QB. Who knows whether Burrow is the one, or even the best one in the draft. BUT… if Miami’s evaluation of him is that he is so far superior to any of the others they can get with the 5th pick… so far superior that they are willing to give up the farm (make that 2 farms) for him versus any other… then why should the Bengals be satisfied with any of the other QB’s? Why are multiple picks and other QB okay for the Bengals but not okay for Miami? Miami’s desperation to get Burrow at any cost at least lends credence to the argument that Burrow is, in fact, that much better. If he’s that much better, the Bengals should pass on the offer and take him at No. 1.

  52. Could of had it for free by losing a few more games
    Get 2 picks in top 10 and get the best OL and best QB
    Please don’t give up the farm on Burrow

  53. I’ve watched a lot of football in my life. I have never seen a college QB like Burrow. Plus he seems to be a person you would want as the face of your franchise and someone with the drive to put a team on his back like a Brady or Manning. If you want to win a SB Bengals, take Burrow. If you are just shooting to be competitive, take the trade. Hopefully we are gunning for the SB

  54. sfsaintsfan says:
    April 23, 2020 at 1:56 pm
    Joe Burrow is praying hard that Miami takes him over the Bengals. Miami is a dumpster fire, but nothing like the Bengals.

    *************
    Without referring to anything from year starting with “19,” please provide some evidence for this. Bengals have had a better record, been to the playoffs more, won more division titles since 2000. Bengals QB’s have been named to the Pro Bowl 5 times (Palmer 2, Dalton 3) since 2000. Miami? No Pro Bowl QB’s since Marino in 1986. (Heck, even Jeff Blake went to the Pro Bowl for the Bengals in 1995 over any QB from Miami, if you go back even further). There is zero evidence to suggest Burrow, or any QB, would rather play for Miami than Cincinnati.

  55. Th is “Dolphins trying to get Burrow” crapola is getting ridiculous! Reports have emerged…. Reports always “emerge”…Is Flores playing BB’s game? I mean,reporters have to report something…

  56. Last time Miami traded up to aquire the 3rd overall pick, they landed the all-time winner of the Buster Van Bustington Award – Dion Jordan.

  57. If I had the #3 and the #5 pick I would be hard pressed before I gave up those two picks for Joe Burrow. At that point your only one pick away from Chase Young. Or for that matter you could have Simmons and pretty much any body else you want. Burrow’s good but I haven’t seen him walk on water.

  58. If I’m the bengals I take 3 first round picks for #1. 5-18-26 and if used correctly you instantly rebuild your franchise

  59. Burrow scares me. Like 7 of his team mates on offense will be drafted this week. He was surrounded by NFL talent at LSU.

  60. Use all the picks this year to build a roster for the future. Don’t give them all up for a QB
    It’s a proven fact you can get a franchise QB in later rounds.

  61. I would love to see something crazy happen in this draft,but I don’t see Burrow going anywhere but to the Bengals.

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