Would an owner have prevented the Packers from drafting Jordan Love?

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Green Bay’s stunning decision to trade up four spots to take a first-round flier on quarterback Jordan Love raises many questions. Here’s one that Simms and I discussed on Monday’s PFTOT: Would a traditional owner have allowed G.M. Brian Gutekunst to make the move?

To answer the question, which was smartly raised by Simms, of whether an owner would have answered the “can we trade up for Jordan Love?” question with a “hell no,” it’s important to remember the question that Gutekunst would have posed to an owner less than 20 months earlier: “Can we sign Aaron Ridgers, who has two years left under contract, to a four-year extension?”

More specifically, can we give Aaron a $57.5 million signing bonus? Can we pay him $66.9 million through the 2018 season? Can we pay him $81.9 million through the 2019 season?

Yes, the Packers have paid Rodgers nearly $82 million for two years of football, in order to have the right to employ him for four seasons beyond that. Now, those four seasons will at best coincide with the four years of Love’s rookie contract.

Would an owner who green-lit a major late-career investment in Green Bay’s franchise quarterback have also approved the acquisition of his likely successor so soon thereafter? Maybe some would have, but others definitely would have refused. If there were misgivings about Rodgers’ longevity, the Packers should have simply dogpaddled through the final two years of his prior contract and then tagged him or signed him now, at the age of 36. It’s difficult if not impossible to harmonize signing him to a six-year contract in August 2018 with selecting the guy who presumably will take over for Rodgers at some point during the four years of the extension that was tacked onto Rodgers’ prior deal.

Of course, Gutekunst didn’t have unfettered discretion, even without an owner. He surely sought, and received, the approval of CEO Mark Murphy. And Murphy had no qualms about making a move that doesn’t quite mesh with the decision to give Rodgers a massive contract.

Then again, maybe Murphy thinks that having Love on the roster will coax even better play out of Rodgers. Indeed, it was Murphy who embraced the potential friction flowing from the Tyler Dunne article that, among other things, characterized Murphy as telling Rodgers “don’t be the problem” and claimed that Murphy had become weary of Rodgers’ “diva stuff.”

“I think this is going to be great motivation for [Rodgers] and the team,” said Murphy at the time in response to the storm of something other than sand created by Dunne’s article. “You hate to have your dirty laundry aired but I do think it’s going to be a positive.”

And it was. The Packers went 13-3 and nearly got to the Super Bowl. So if a little dysfunction is good, maybe a lot is better — and maybe this whole thing was designed to give Rodgers a reason to finish his career with a full-on sprint.

It’s still an all-in play that carries plenty of risk, including a very real chance that, after the 2020 season, Rodgers will begin to clamor for a trade to a team with an owner who wouldn’t make a major investment in Rodgers and then turn around not very long after doing so and undermine him.

109 responses to “Would an owner have prevented the Packers from drafting Jordan Love?

  1. Interesting perspective. It seems less than logical or organized on the surface. But we don’t know what has been going on in the locker room, at practice or in other aspects of the team’s activities. Perhaps if we had all the pieces this might not look so bizarre. The situation clearly went in a different direction than expected.

  2. There’s no shortage of teams with owners making horrible decisions.

    Trubisky is geographically the closest example.

  3. it’s important to remember the question that Gutekunst would have posed to an owner less than 20 months earlier: “Can we sign Aaron Ridgers, who has two years left under contract, to a four-year extension?”
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    how big a mistake was letting Rodgers force the Packers into this extension when he already had 2 years remaining on his contract?

  4. Packers are in great shape considering I’m waiting for O’Brien to trade Watson for Trubisky and a sixth round draft pick in 2029…

  5. No. Packers fans have been through this excat scenario with Favre. Worked out phenomenal then. Will work out well again. Its a proven recipe to bring a qb in successfully with many aging great qbs, not just GB.

  6. The packers drafts have been a complete joke the past 8 years. Maybe an owner would prevent this?

  7. Who knows what Love will become, but jeez, they are approaching 30 years of having a HoF QB on the roster, because of a very similar move. If this kid can unseat AR then who cares what AR thinks? If he is a bust, they still have HoF QB Aaron Rodgers. From the team’s standpoint, things look pretty good.

  8. speculation. Philly just drafted a quarterback with a younger starter locked up long term..

  9. Plenty of first round picks amount to nothing. Why are you guys making such a big deal about the 26th selection? It’s nothing more than depth at the qb position, unless Love proves otherwise. Move on.

  10. There is no evidence that AR is upset. There is no evidence that the Packers want to immediately move on from AR. There is no evidence of some kind of bad blood between between Murphy/Gute/LaFleur and AR.

    What we have here is a team drafting the only remaining first round talent on its board with the plus of that player being the possible quarterback of the future. Nothing more, nothing less.


  11. tedmurph says:
    May 4, 2020 at 4:47 pm

    If you have an owner that interferes with the draft, you’re a losing team.”

    Rooney’s son wanted to draft Marino. So there are exceptions.

  12. I think that with money they are paying him he should just smile and play the damn game.

  13. The idea of starting to develop a new franchise QB, I think is solid. When I recalled how many times during the season I get pissed at his body language and diva attitude, I can understand managements concern. Rodgers is on the downside of his great career, hopefully he’ll have a couple of good years before it’s in full decline. The big question, is Love the right guy to take GB into the future.

  14. Jerruh would no doubt do it. Prop him up in front of a mic and he’ll be like “Gimme that kid from The Waterboy!” At least Green Bay had (some) class, I suppose, though I’m probably wrong.

    If you’re gonna waste your 1st rd pick on a QB, you better damn well have a plan when you already have one of the top QBs in the game.

  15. I don’t think drafting a potential franchise QB is a bad idea. In fact, if he turns out to be what they think he is, it was a really shrewd move. The problem is the rest of the draft. Dillon is a good back, but they already have two good running backs and Dillon wasn’t really a great value where they got him. Same with Degura..he was projected as a late round pick/UDFA…in a historically deep draft for WR’s, they took none. The only help they got Rodgers was Funchess..who is so-so at best…ran a 4.7 40 at the combine and looks no faster in games…not really an acquisition that moves the needle at all. Going to the NFCCG and then basically standing pat on offense is not the way to get over the hump…

  16. The selection of Love can definitely be debated, but you guys are getting a little hysterical. R-E-L-A-X.

  17. cardinalsfan20 says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:25 pm
    There is no evidence that AR is upset.
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    I don’t know what is more amazing. That you believe this, or that many other people do as well.

    There is absolutely evidence. Literally everything about Rodgers is the evidence.

  18. packers291 says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:22 pm
    Plenty of first round picks amount to nothing. Why are you guys making such a big deal about the 26th selection? It’s nothing more than depth at the qb position
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    1) It’s obvious. The Packers needed anything but a QB.
    2)They actually traded up to do it.
    3) Who in the world trades up in the first round for “depth at the QB position”.
    4) I can’t believe this has to be explained to you.

  19. I don’t understand all the fascination with the Green Bay Packers. There are 31 other teams and over 250 draft picks made last month. Maybe we could talk about some other teams for a change.

  20. HagemeisterPark says:

    May 4, 2020 at 5:18 pm

    No. Packers fans have been through this excat scenario with Favre. Worked out phenomenal then. Will work out well again. Its a proven recipe to bring a qb in successfully with many aging great qbs, not just GB.
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    Green Bay has won 1 superbowl with Rodgers. Considering the level of play Favre showed after leaving, that green bay regressed the 1st season after mainly because of the trade off from Brett to Aaron, green bay being 1 game away from the superbowl in his last year in green bay it’s more than reasonable to think they would have won just as many if not more superbowls if green bay had either drafted help instead of rodgers for those years when brett was still there, dealt Rodgers instead of Favre or waited it out and franchise tagged Rodgers when his deal was up considering the major rumor at the time was if green bay had went back to favre rodgers wouldnt re-sign when his contract was up. So I wouldnt call that phenomenal.

  21. The Packers will be just fine. If Rodgers stays healthy he’ll be leading the Packers for three years, minimum, maybe four. Their receivers will be adequate for the time-being. The offense generally is going to surprise people. The defense will continue to bend and not break. Rodgers and Love will get along just fine. Love may be used as a hybrid in two years, much like Taysom Hill. Rodgers will be motivated to win another SuperBowl (note; ANOTHER SuperBowl.) In the face of aggressive click baiting and assumptions and innuendo last year, I was right and all the haters were wrong. Nothing’s changed.

  22. conormacleod says:
    May 4, 2020 at 6:01 pm
    packers291 says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:22 pm
    Plenty of first round picks amount to nothing. Why are you guys making such a big deal about the 26th selection? It’s nothing more than depth at the qb position
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    1) It’s obvious. The Packers needed anything but a QB.
    2)They actually traded up to do it.
    3) Who in the world trades up in the first round for “depth at the QB position”.
    4) I can’t believe this has to be explained to you.

    1) Aaron’s play has declined. He isn’t that bad man anymore. That doesn’t mean he isn’t good, but you can see the decline, and if this decline fires him up, I am all for it. I have been screaming for years for him just to set his damn feet for a change and hit the check down.
    2)Yes, they traded up for it. Its part of the draft complex. Teams will not confirm or deny if they were interested, but you trust your board. If he was graded as their best guy you go and get him. Its just that simple.
    3) Packers every year have been trying to bring in a quality back up since Gutey took the job. Go look at the off seasons. They haven’t worked out. So instead, they pulled the trigger on this. Sue them.
    4) IT doesn’t need to be explained, but it also is vastly overblown on the coverage on this. Is it really hard to believe that they might have faith in their guys making bigger jumps. You have several guys coming in for their third season, all the wrs are coming into the second year with MLF. You should expect jumps. The defense who knows what will transpire. But I am also not going to judge this roster today when football doesn’t start until Sept. That is just dumb.

  23. The Packers have thousands of owners. We can look at how those “owners” reacted to the pick to get an idea of how a traditional owner would have reacted.

    Immediately after the draft, every Packer owner was universally against the move, which suggests that a traditional owner would not have approved.

    A week after the draft, every Packer owner thinks it was a great move and anyone criticizing it doesn’t know what they’re talking about, which suggests that these people are hypocrites that will toe the party line as soon as they’re able to regain their composure.

  24. I thought the packer shareholders voted for this decision since they claim they are owners?

  25. HagemeisterPark says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:18 pm

    No. Packers fans have been through this excat scenario with Favre. Worked out phenomenal then. Will work out well again. Its a proven recipe to bring a qb in successfully with many aging great qbs, not just GB.
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    It will be really fun when Rodgers gets run out of town and these fans get to see that Jordan Love is not a future Hall of Fame quarterback. It’s amazing that they think a back of the first round guy that was universally regarded as the fourth-best QB in the draft is equivalent to a guy who was considered for the first overall pick.

  26. Gutekunst, Murphy, Lafleur, Rodgers.

    Which one of those four is most important to the Packers? Which one is hardest to replace? Which three could the franchise lose tomorrow and not miss a beat?

    Maybe you see where I’m going with this.

  27. Skilled WRs don’t really matter in the Rodgers offense. He’s not a timing QB (like Brady and P.Manning), he’s an ad-libber like Wilson. Ever notice the Seahawks don’t spend big money on WRs? That’s because Wilson’s style is to go off script and improvise…just like Rodgers. If you disagree with drafting a RB, fine. Just stop with the “wE cAn’T wIn wItHoUt dRaFtiNg wRs”. The Packers just made the NFC Championship with their current crop of WR. If anything, they should’ve drafted more pass rushers.

  28. The difference between being an NFL owner and being a Packer stockholder (real or souvenir) is that you have real money invested in a team.

    Packer stockholders (real or souvenir) can’t do anything with their stock, so it’s worthless. It has no value.

    Which has led Packer management not to appreciate the value of money.

    Why else do you spend $80,000,000 in the first 9 months of Aaron’s new deal and then continue to pay him salary workout and roster bonuses, when you could have made him play out his old contract for the remaining 2 years and then franchised him for the next 2 seasons for less money?

    Packer management is having buyers remorse after looking at how Rodgers unneeded new deal is hurting their ability to improve the team.

  29. patriots repeatedly drafted qbs throughout brady’s career. on great teams qbs expect to earn their spot every year just like everyone else.

  30. Hey everyone as the great Aaron Rogers has said before RELAX. Love hasn’t played a down in the NFL.Give the owner less Packers credit for drafting a QB that could turn out to be great. Green Bay has to look to the future when Arron is either retired or no longer able to get the job done. I know we are all sports deprived to the max right know .Love may be a bust, you just have to take chances on what a team believes. Nobody thought that Rogers was going to be a hall of fame QB even teams with OWNERS.Green Bay will have a decent team this year and this past draft might be their best ever. R E L A X

  31. Rodgers hasn’t been special since 2014. Signing him – or any 35 year old quarterback – to that kind of extension was a huge mistake.

    But does making that mistake in 2018 mean they have to carry on with that mistake in 2020? Drafting Love was an attempt to try and fix the mistake. I don’t know why everybody is so down on them.

  32. No!. An owner generally has no idea about anything regarding football. A good personnel guy that knows how to evaluate QB’s wouldn’t have even had Love rated to go in the first 3 rounds. Love checks all the physical boxes. He can make every throw from every angle, and then some. But so can DeShone Kizer. Kizer was the guy Love reminded me of when I was watching him. I fact, put together a highlight tape of Kizer and he’s the #1 pick in the draft. Cam Newton and Jameis Winston check all the physical boxes too. Will we ever learn? I’d like to see Vegas’ odds on that question. Lol.

  33. Keep in mind that the Packers missed the playoffs when Rodgers got hurt in recent years and they may think that drafting a good backup may keep them in the hunt should Rodgers get injured again. May be it isn’t the end of Rodgers’ career in Green Bay yet. If Love plays poorly in preseason games, how can the head coach or GM justify getting rid of Rodgers?

  34. No, because they’re a bunch of ignorant drunks in GB and aren’t educated enough to make a smart decision.

  35. Owner or not, the Packers need to look to the future at the most important position on the team. Why is it a big deal that they drafted a quarterback? Rodgers is going to be 40 in a few years. How many quarterbacks play past that at a high level? How many continue to play and we are embarrassed for them? The pick was right if the player can be developed and win. That is all that matters. These players don’t get paid 20 or 30 million a year so we can worry about their feelings. I am a Packers fan, but Rodgers isn’t a personal friend of mine. So his feelings don’t matter.

  36. Sunday Swami says: “Green Bay has won 1 superbowl with Rodgers.”
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    Which is still 1 more than 24 other teams can say. Especially in an era with the GOAT Brady dominating with Belichick.

    It’s like you think winning a Super Bowl is so easy that every great player should have multiple wins… just ridiculous.

  37. Namath, Montana, Manning, Brady, Rivers – none finished their careers with their original team, all had owners.

  38. There’s a real possibility that there may not be a college football season this year. If so, will there be an NFL draft next year? Could this be one reason the Pack drafted a player that may end up replacing Rodgers? Also, Rodgers is probably the Pack’s QB for 3 more years, and by taking his replacement in the first round this year, the team now has his 5th year option. If he does end up replacing Rodgers after year 3, they then have their starting QB on the cheap for 2 more years.

  39. darrenkod says:

    May 4, 2020 at 8:43 pm

    Sunday Swami says: “Green Bay has won 1 superbowl with Rodgers.”
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    Which is still 1 more than 24 other teams can say. Especially in an era with the GOAT Brady dominating with Belichick.

    It’s like you think winning a Super Bowl is so easy that every great player should have multiple wins… just ridiculous.
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    Try actually quoting everything i said and seeing what it’s in response to instead of just quoting a fact I stated and jumping to conclusions…just ridiculous.

  40. Having a majority owner or not is a pointless argument.
    The Packers have a president, a CEO, who has hired football personnel men to do their jobs.

    It’s simple, so simple even a Barney should be able to grasp it.
    They drafted Jordan Love to hopefully solidify the QB position over the next few years, they also drafted him with their eye on the future.

    As I’ve said previously, they will work on Love’s mechanics and develop him over the next few years and Rodgers will start, barring injury, throughout the next 3 seasons.
    Until then, Jordan is an insurance policy.

    After that, they should have a sense of what kind of QB they have in Jordan Love and they can make a sound, reasoned decision on how to proceed moving forward with little to no salary cap ramifications.
    Love or Rodgers, Rodgers or Love, maybe it will take a 4th season.

    Maybe, Love turns out to be a complete bust and GB decides to draft another signal caller by then, maybe they tap a veteran free agent.
    Who knows, it’s a bridge to cross in the future, not next year.
    The Packers have the NFL’s most critical position solved for the immediate future, and possibly long term.
    This is a very advantageous situation to be in.

    Most reasonable people are not sweating this and see it for what it exactly is.
    Only the haters, and the handwringing media, see this as a problem as they continue to scream incoherently into the wind.
    It’s just noise.
    It’s really not that difficult to figure out.

  41. mrbigass says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:16 pm
    Packers are in great shape considering I’m waiting for O’Brien to trade Watson for Trubisky and a sixth round draft pick in 2029…

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    Please don’t put that out into the universe. God forbid Bill O’Brien regulars the PFT comment section and stumbles across it.

  42. I don’t know the answer to the question but if you want to see how just the opposite looks, check out the Dallas Cowboys.

    Remind me again how many Superbowls the Cowboys won in the last 20 years. Ya, I thought so.

  43. Ok Let me see – is this guy the real deal? Did da Bears not trade up to get their franchise QB – now they picked up Foulds and declined Trubisky’s 5th year? One might say that da Bears got hosed “””The Bears moved up ONE spot to take QB Mitchell Trubisky, who’s not even a top-10 talent in this class, and it cost them three mid-round picks to do so.””””
    There have been a lot of first round picks who have flopped – and Love could have been a second rounder so dont annoint him just yet.
    Now the Pack picked a raw talent and he was passed on to the point that he was not in the top echelon. So for everybody to say that he is the next franchise QB and we will have 3 in a row – it is a stretch and a guess. I hope so and I hope that with the Pack’s proven draft and develop.
    Also the Pack have flopped on first round non-QB picks over the recent years – Sherrod Perry Jones Dix Randall – so there is not guarantee that if they had picked a non QB that he would win. So bottom line is that this is just a bunch of things to talk about.

  44. Green Bay’s stunning decision to trade up four spots to take a first-round flier on quarterback Jordan Love raises many questions.
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    This doesn’t raise any questions, it’s par for the course in Green Bay, they did it when Favre’s career was nearing an end so why wouldn’t they do when Rodgers career was nearong an end also?

    Why wait until your QB falls off of a cliff to get someone in there and give them a try to see if you got the right guy when you can get someone in there early and then give him a year or two to sit and learn behind Rodgers just the way Rodgers did when Favre was there, it’s no different but some people want to make a lot of drama out of it when there isn’t any!

    This is the exact same course that was laid out years ago for the Favre to Rodgers transition but some people are blind and fail to see it!

  45. BTW if this bothers Rodgers then I have to question how good Rodgers really is and where he’s at mentally, a rookie QB I don’t care who it is shouldn’t be any concern to a QB of Rodgers caliber, PERIOD!

    I never heard Brady question NE for drafting a QB or Brees question NO either!

  46. These articles are written by people who don’t watch Rodgers play but go off his reputation. His play was good last year, but definitely showed his age. If the next couple years his play ages as much as it did this year he will need to be replaced. But regardless ,they have gone many years without a quality backup. I’m not sure Love can develop into a quality backup this year, but with an aging and less mobile starter, you need a quality backup. The past 10 years has been if Rodgers gets hurt, season over. With Rodgers aging, that likelihood is more likely.

  47. ARod(in his collarbone) says:
    May 4, 2020 at 8:25 pm
    No, because they’re a bunch of ignorant drunks in GB and aren’t educated enough to make a smart decision.
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    So you’re saying that waiting until your QB falls off of a cliff and drafting QB after QB until you finally get the right one is the smart way?

    BTW their way worked out pretty good for the Favre to Rodgers transition, didn’t it?

  48. Maybe when the Packers get on the clock, the pick should be made by an online vote of all of their stockholders. I wonder how that would turn out.

  49. A traditional owner? If the packers had a basset hound of slightly above intelligence hanging around the office, they wouldn’t have picked Love.

    That being said, the bigger question mark is what the heck were they doing with the rest of their picks? Having depth in the NFL is important but perhaps someone needs to tell gutekunst that the point of drafting players is to get guys that might develop into starters, not guys that top out at 3rd string.

  50. Drafting for the future means you aren’t drafting to win now. Of course, all the packers fans are thinking about is that one time it worked out okay. Love is not the next Aaron Rodgers, odds are that he’ll flame out. So there’s no point in drafting Love.

  51. Apr 10, 2019 · Packers President/CEO Mark Murphy denied a claim in a Bleacher Report story that he told quarterback Aaron Rodgers, “Don’t be the problem.”

    Facts. Start with facts. There’s less to wildly speculate about.

  52. h0metownzero says:

    Traditional owners can’t manufacture HOF QBs at will.
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    Souvenir or real stockholders can’t either.

  53. Steve Cunningham says:
    May 4, 2020 at 10:26 pm
    Green Bay’s stunning decision to trade up four spots to take a first-round flier on quarterback Jordan Love raises many questions.
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    This doesn’t raise any questions, it’s par for the course in Green Bay, they did it when Favre’s career was nearing an end so why wouldn’t they do when Rodgers career was nearong an end also?
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    Get real…

    Rodgers fell from being the possible #1 overall choice by the 49ers to the Packers late in the first round. There was no trading away draft resources – they just had to submit their pick.

    The two situations are totally different – you need to remember that Favre never missed a start and Rodgers has proven to be injury prone.

  54. One difference between this and Farve-Rodgers deal was that people, including me, were shocked when Rodgers was still available…picking Rodgers was a no-brainer. Handling the transition the way they did was stupid in trying to ruin the remainder of Farve’s career rather than releasing him like Colts-Manning, 49ers-Montana, etc.

    I never have liked Rodgers pettiness, his diva mentality, etc but trading up for Love is laughable…this guy is hardly the prospective QB that Rodgers was. There are good reasons why he was so available.

    This is nothing but a Gute/lafleur ego issue. Next coach and GM will have to pick up the pieces!

  55. There is no guarantee Love will become great like Fave and Rodgers but there is no guarantee he wont either.if he does then alot of teams will bemoan the fact they didnt draft him first before GB.GB is loaded with recievers who are going on their second and third years and show tremendous promise but if you have a QB who wont throw to them if they drop a pass or are out of position what good are they.If its true the Packers are going to be a run first team then what good is drafting a reciever in the first round when you have capable players on the bench.

  56. “Jerruh would no doubt do it. Prop him up in front of a mic and he’ll be like “Gimme that kid from The Waterboy!” At least Green Bay had (some) class, I suppose, though I’m probably wrong.

    If you’re gonna waste your 1st rd pick on a QB, you better damn well have a plan when you already have one of the top QBs in the game.”

    Yes, you’re wrong. Jerry drafted a project QB in the 7th and signed Dalton for peanuts…

  57. Owners need only get involved if the GM/coach is bringing in a low character gut or someone with a checkered past that would be a distraction to the image of the franchise…. like AB

  58. It’s almost as if this is the topic up for the daily who can continue to make the most outlandish story our of this.

  59. Common sense should have been enough to prevent them from drafting Jordan Love.

    Nothing against Love, but you don’t make a move like this unless there is an easy way to trade Rodgers or if Love has All-Pro potential the way Rodgers did in 2005.

    If the wheels fall off for the Packers this season, and they probably won’t, but if they do, the GM could be in trouble.

  60. infectorman says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:53 pm
    What about the “Stockholders”?
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    I’d say the “stockholder” paperwork is worth about as much as the TP you use to wipe your stink chute, but even that is worth way more these days.

  61. This situation is being blown out of proportion. I’m no fan of Rodgers professionally or personally, and time will tell if the Packers made a bad decision by trading up in round 1 to draft Love.

    That said, the same questions were raised 15 years ago when the Packers selected Rodgers while Favre was still in the prime of his career. Rodgers wasn’t seen at the time as someone who would turn into a top-tier QB; if he had been seen that way, he’d have been drafted in the top five of that draft.

    This will pay out over the next couple of years, and Rodgers will continue to play the diva (much like Favre). Come 2022, we’ll find out whether this was the right decision.

  62. If I am Aaron Rodgers, I tell Murphy and Gutenkunst to go pound sand. Other, younger, teams are getting better while the Packers run in place. Sure, they made it the NFC Championship game, but they got run out of the building by a much better team.

    Packers management showed their hand- they can say what they want, but they know they are not good enough to win a championship and are building for a Post-Aaron Rodgers future.

    If I am Rodgers, I tell them the future may as well be now- get me out of here.

  63. gtodriver says:
    May 5, 2020 at 8:01 am

    you need to remember that Favre never missed a start and Rodgers has proven to be injury prone.
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    Calling Rodgers injury prone is another frequent lie you constantly put forth on this site.

    With the exception of the 2017 season in which a freak tackle broke his collarbone, Aaron Rodgers has started 80 out of a possible 80 games.
    In fact, his next previous missed start occurred in 2013, when another broken collarbone sidelined him for several games.

    These were 2 distinct injuries, coupled with one concussion that caused him to miss one game in 2010.
    If this is what you call injury prone, you are even more stupid than I give you credit for.

  64. Owners interfering with draft and coaching choices are the reason the Cowboys have been irrelevant for the last 24 years.

    Seriously… What kind of question is this?

  65. If only there were some evidence that how the Packers draft QB’s compared to the way other teams draft QB’s to show which is better….
    Let’s see, the Packers have had basically 2 starting QB’s over the last 30 or so years. Many teams started that many or more last year. The rest of the league waits until they have no starting QB caliber guy to draft a QB in the top 5 or so. Then the team is forced into throwing their rookie QB on the field. The results are that the rookie QB (who might have developed given time) washes out in what, more than 50% of cases? So, the rest of the league wastes a top 5 pick whereas the Packers have had 2 hall of fame guys, one drafted in the second round and the other drafted at #24.
    I think I’ll give the Packer philosophy a win.

  66. They have serious problems in Green Bay. They could have drafted someone who could help them today and signed Dalton or Winston as a backup. Every backup QB in the league is better than Love. Poor management.

  67. > BTW if this bothers Rodgers then I have to question how good Rodgers really is
    > and where he’s at mentally, a rookie QB I don’t care who it is shouldn’t be any
    > concern to a QB of Rodgers caliber, PERIOD!

    It should be pointed out that no source has provided a quote from Rodgers, Gute or LaFluer stating that Rodgers cares one way or the other. All that has been posted since the day of the draft is conjecture, opinions and a lot of trash talking from fans of teams who wish “the diva” would play for their team.

    A post that seemed to be buried on purpose on this site stated that the Love pick was the result of not having any of the wideouts the Packers were interested in being available at the time. Gute didn’t think the receivers available were worth the $$$ when compared to the players already with the team. It had nothing to do with a Rodgers/LaFleur “schism”.

    Seriously… We heard all this last season after the Bleacher Report printed their article on the reasons why McCarthy was fired. I’m not sure how many people actually read the article, but the reason McCarthy was canned was not placate Rodgers. Rather, it was because McCarthy was skipping game plan meetings in favour of “personal massages” and sleeping through said meetings when he did show up. This was apparent if you ever watched the predictable and pedestrian playcalling hs last 5 or so seasons with the team. Yet everyone is so quick to paint Rodgers a “diva” for calling him out for it.

    As for as Love goes… He has some decision making issues coupled with a tremendous amount of upside. If he was thrown to the wolves this season, he would likely be destroyed like many rookie QBs are. However, the Packers have the luxury of developing him while he sits and learns behind a future HOF QB that has made them competitive every season he has played. I have faith that the Packers management has a far better idea of what they are doing than a bunch of rival fans and a lawyer who thinks he has some kind of inside scoop ever will.

  68. stellarperformance says:
    May 5, 2020 at 7:38 am
    Apr 10, 2019 · Packers President/CEO Mark Murphy denied a claim in a Bleacher Report story that he told quarterback Aaron Rodgers, “Don’t be the problem.”

    Facts. Start with facts. There’s less to wildly speculate about.
    //////////
    And 1 year later, the Packers traded up to take Rodgers replacement.

    Like those facts???

  69. Prudent

    Drafting a QB before your 36 year old QB begins to falter…

    Kind of like 2005 when they offended that Favre guy

  70. conormacleod says:
    May 5, 2020 at 12:08 pm
    And 1 year later, the Packers traded up to take Rodgers replacement. Like those facts???
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Yes, frankly, I do. In three years when Love is ready and if Love turns out to be as effective as Rodgers, I certainly do.

    Next.

  71. It is easy to see how screwed up the Packer organization is. They should be sold to an owner, an owner based in New Mexico. Santa Fe Packers

  72. GenXJ says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:34 pm
    gb does have an owner. They’re the 49ers.

    \\\\

    The Vikings got owned by the Packers last year.

    Everyone has their kryptonite….

  73. Drafting a quarterback wasn’t the problem…drafting THIS qb under THESE circumstances was. The fans and writers willing to blindly follow Gute and LaFleur at this point have simply been drinking the kool-aid for too long. Neither has yet given us any reason to trust their instincts. Last year, LaFleur took the blame for Graham’s lack of production (we can fix it through play scheme). Prior to the NFC Championship game, he repeatedly said they had planned and schemed to stop SF’s running game. No other team in the NFL believes Love to have been worth a first round pick, let alone a first and fourth round pick. These guys just went “all in” on a pair of fours…That’s not to say they couldn’t get lucky and ultimately win, it’s simply saying this was not a smart bet. And forget about WR and getting Rodgers some help; this offense can get the job done. This defense, on the other hand, would have benefit greatly from calling the cavalry.

  74. I thought randy moss owned the packers? 18-4 record 45 TDs. That’s owning baby!

  75. Waffles says

    With the exception of the 2017 season in which a freak tackle broke his collarbone, Aaron Rodgers has started 80 out of a possible 80 games.
    ###

    Besides the fact that you contradicted yourself when you brought up the 2013 broken collarbone, you neglected the fact that since Aaron became the starter in 2008, he’s missed starts 18 starts.

    That, and if one is to believe cellarperformance, Rodgers was injured to the point he should not have been playing the entire 2018 season.

    He also was knocked out of multiple starts due to (wait for it)… injuries.

    Injury prone is what Aaron is.

    Deal with it…

  76. gtodriver says:
    May 5, 2020 at 1:37 pm

    Injury prone is what Aaron is.

    Deal with it…

    +++++

    I guess you agree it was smart to draft a decent backup QB then. Right?

  77. andrwken says:
    May 5, 2020 at 12:51 pm
    GenXJ says:
    May 4, 2020 at 5:34 pm
    gb does have an owner. They’re the 49ers.

    \\\\

    The Vikings got owned by the Packers last year.

    Everyone has their kryptonite….
    ///////////////
    The 2 games and 2 wins thing is the only thing in common. The Vikings barely losing to the Packers as opposed to the 49ers twice destroying the Packers? How in the world did you come up with that analogy?

  78. I’ve always questioned whether or not the Packers brass is motivated by winning championships or keeping those jobs as long as possible. If an owner advocates to go “all in” to win, he’s still around regardless of the outcome. I’d love to hear the honest answer if the Packers President and G.M. were asked what was more important to them.

  79. I dont often agree with @Mike when Rodgers and the Packers are discussed, however, in this case, it is a true problem, especially when you throw in Rodger’s head. That being said, it may be a touch overblown. We want to run the ball more to setup the play action pass. I assume #12 is fine with that to some degree. The Packers did not use a top 10-15 draft pick here. >15 somewhat iffy even with some of the best drafters. Example – Where was Treadwell taken (answer #23) and how much would he help the Packers next year if they would have picked a like WR? (For the record, I loved Treadwell coming out). Would a better backup help if, God forbid, an injury to Rodgers kept him out more than a game or two? Probably… As for the psychy of the Packers and Rodgers, a problem, but probably not gonna derail the train.

  80. Not a competent, non-meddling owner. The Packer’s front office is being proactive. Was it the right decision? We won’t know that for a few years, but if they have confidence in their player evaluation, and Love was the highest ranked player on the board, they made a good move.

  81. This story lays out such dopey mismanagement. Where were all those owners who proudly put cheese on top of their heads?

  82. Depends on who the owner is. If Jerry Jones bought the team, then he would have been accused of making the staff draft Love for instance.

  83. Did somebody say injury-prone? Now how in the heck did Dalvin Cook get into this thread?

  84. Wow the Packers can’t sellout games with Erin at QB. The will be a lot of empty wood planks in cow town.

  85. Packerlies says

    I guess you agree it was smart to draft a decent backup QB then. Right?
    ###

    Did they draft a decent backup? No. They drafted a project.

    Competent backup QBs with proven NFL experience were and still are readily available (Winston, Dalton, Newton…) for a fraction of the cost (draft capital and actual dollar cost).

    What the Packers drafted was a possible hope for a backup QB for the future, not a decent backup for the present.

  86. Liberalsruineverything says:
    May 5, 2020 at 5:23 pm
    Wow the Packers can’t sellout games with Erin at QB. The will be a lot of empty wood planks in cow town.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    Sure.

    Do you stop to consider the Packers stand a better chance of returning to the SuperBowl with Rodgers than the Vikings do with Cousins, even though Cousins came with a “guarantee?”

  87. I didn’t hear boo about Green Bay wanting a QB pre-draft. Was Gute really that sneaky?

    There is evidence that suggests that Green Bay MIGHT HAVE been trying to move up for a WR. San Fran beat them to the punch & the Vikes got a slew of picks + the CB they wanted. If that is the case, well…..I certainly will buy a copy of Trader Rick’s memoirs!

    That’s pure speculation. Either way, their GM reaches for a backup QB project while using up 2 draft picks in the process. This quite easily will lead to questions, PR nightmare & organizational drama.

    LOL

  88. “What the Packers drafted was a possible hope for a backup QB for the future, not a decent backup for the present.”

    ++++++

    Says a guy whose favorite squad is rocking Sean Mannion as a #2.

  89. Let’s apply a best case scenario. Why not? Remember all speculative drama last year? All wrong. All of it. All-of-it. Why should this year be any different? The changes forced upon this team are not as extreme as the changes last year. They have a potential starter backing up Rodgers. OH. NOOOOOO……….THE SKY IS FALLING! ANYTHING BUT THAT!

    Rodgers will be the professional that LaFleur recognizes and appreciates, as always. The “new” Packers are going to be very effective with the players they have, combined with the new additions. Rodgers isn’t going anywhere for at least two years minimum and possibly three or more. Who knows what the future will bring? The Packers, like it or not, is still the team to beat in the division. The common thread among the haters posting herein is wishing, hoping, and praying it weren’t true. The trolls want us to feel bad. Sorry. I don’t feel bad. Not in the least.

  90. ARod(in his collarbone) says:
    May 4, 2020 at 8:25 pm
    No, because they’re a bunch of ignorant drunks in GB and aren’t educated enough to make a smart decision.
    —————————-
    Smart decision? You man like signing Cousins to a long term extension?

  91. What’s truly funny is if you compare the number of Viking fans that posted to this article to the number of Viking fans that post to ANY Viking article. That is one obsessed fanbase.

  92. packertruth says:
    May 5, 2020 at 7:02 pm
    “What the Packers drafted was a possible hope for a backup QB for the future, not a decent backup for the present.”

    ++++++

    Says a guy whose favorite squad is rocking Sean Mannion as a #2.

    *******************************************************************************

    Well, at least MN didn’t spend 2 draft picks & embarrass themselves in front of the entire NFL with a REEEEEEEEEAAAACH for a developmental QB.

  93. packertruth says:

    Says a guy whose favorite squad is rocking Sean Mannion as a #2.
    ###

    Sean Mannion has completed over 60% of his passes in the NFL. Sean Mannion has started NFL games. Sean Mannion has 6 NFL seasons under his belt.

    JLove has yet to throw a pass in the NFL.

    No one (except Packers management) expected JLove to be a first round draft pick. No one but the Packers felt that JLove was worth two draft picks.

    Bill Bellichek traded out of the first round with JLove available to be picked and he only had Stidham and Hoyer on the roster.

    I trust Bill Bellichek’s opinion on potential draft picks more than I do Gutekunst’s (remember Rashan Gary – the #7 overall pick last year) “expertise” in the draft.

  94. In a word nope, Rodgers skills are diminishing and it is clear for all to see. I know packer fans that admit Rodgers play isn’t what it once was. You won’t find them here until he’s gone. Like Matthews & Martinez. Last year Waffle and Stella were defending Martinez saying he leads the team in tackles blah blah. The packers let him go and they say Martinez needed to be replaced. So typical from this fan base. Once they take off the packers jersey they will be critical of them. Very strange, you don’t see that so much anywhere but GB.

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