Virtual draft illustrated the lack of coaching, front office diversity

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On Tuesday, NFL owners will consider multiple changes to the Rooney Rule, which promotes diversity in major NFL hiring decisions. Although regression in the hiring of minority coaches and General Managers already was pushing the league in that direction, one specific consequence of the pandemic helped crystallize the need for change.

“I think the biggest thing was the actual broadcast of the draft,” Hall of Fame coach Tony Dungy said in an appearance on Monday’s #PFTPM podcast. “I think when people saw that and you saw the decision makers and their families just one after another after another, the draftees and their families, just that contrast. I think it gave a visual picture to what everyone was seeing.”

The proposed changes include non-controversial measures that don’t require a vote (such as doubling the number of minority head-coaching interviews from one to two) to the most controversial — elevated draft standing for hiring a minority coach or General Manager. Coach Dungy explained during his #PFTPM appearance the problems with that approach, and we ultimately agreed that the best move at this point, with hiring season months away, would be to table the proposal for further discussion.

“I don’t think personally it’s the right thing to do,” Dungy said, “but I think it should spur some, really, consideration and some communication and conversation and people say, ‘OK, this might not be it, but maybe we can do that [instead].'”

The NFL has more than seven months to have those discussions and to come up with a better alternative. If someone like Coach Dungy is opposed to the proposed draft-pick enhancement, it probably makes sense to press pause and to continue the search for the right way to address a problem that the league finally seems to be intent on solving.

106 responses to “Virtual draft illustrated the lack of coaching, front office diversity

  1. Yeah, it “gave a contrast.” It showed me there aren’t NEARLY enough white guys getting drafted into the NFL. It was a stark contrast.

  2. Funny, when I watch the games I notice a distinct “lack of diversity”, but no one ever talks about that.

  3. Would it make the Rooney law people happy to just fire all white coaches and replace with black? So tired of hearing about this.

    On the field its the best player that gets to play. Should be the same in the office.

  4. Wait. What?

    “I think when people saw that and you saw the decision makers and their families just one after another after another, the draftees and their families, just that contrast. I think it gave a visual picture to what everyone was seeing.”

    I’m pretty sure the difference I saw was that the draftees were a bunch of college age kids celebrating with their families in the biggest moments of their lives while GMs are executives of multi-billion dollar teams during their busiest work day of the year.

    Also I found out Bill Belichick lets his dog draft for him.

  5. If only our society could engage in reasoned discourse, offering our personal truths without fear while listening to differing (even opposing) points of view with tolerance.

  6. If you focus on it it’s an issue, No focus it’s an issue ..damned if you do and damned if you don’t

  7. I guess I didn’t notice… I don’t sit around trying to count those type of things. In my mind, the people that have those jobs must have earned them. What difference should it make to me what color they are?

  8. Isn’t affirmative action enough? I don’t believe the NFL to be a racist organization.

  9. I’m just glad that I finally realized that because I see people, and not skin color, that it in fact proves that I am the racist one. Now I can work on that, I guess…

  10. Bottom line –

    I don’t give a damn about “diversity”. I want my team to win. If the NFL is less about football and more about craven pandering to social justice warriors, then I really will be done with the NFL.

  11. There are 3 African American head coaches which is 10%. National percent of African Americans is 14%. Where exactly is the huge “fall off”? As apposed to the 68% African American players when the US is 72% white. Sounds like a different problem to me.

  12. If a team has an assistant that they like and want to promote to head coach, why should they go through the motions of interviewing minority candidates? Isn’t that just a slap in the face to those coaches? I have nothing against hiring minorities for coaching or administration but why waste someones time if there is not chance you are going to hire them?

  13. Dungy sure wasn’t squawking when Dennis Green’s staff, of which he was a member, was predominantly African-American.

    And guess what? Neither were we.

  14. Does being a player make you a good coach or administrator? Or is teaching and business acumen a different skill set? Nobody seems to ask why the league is 70% AA, and certainly nobody sets out to change that. Maybe we should?

  15. HoF GM Ozzie Newsome spent years training his successor, he was present on draft night, Eric DeCosta! Ozzie, apparently selected the most “ qualified ” for the position of new GM!

  16. If you look at a person or a group of people and you immediately notice race first, guess what, YOU are the racist.

  17. Yeah my friend, I didn’t notice it either real time, but I wasn’t looking for it. I accept a lack of diversity because I have been conditioned by watching the games for years. Then I tried to ignor it, but that is not allowed.

  18. rodgerstonelson says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:15 am

    Would it make the Rooney law people happy to just fire all white coaches and replace with black?

    ===============

    It does raise a fair point – If the current number is insufficient, then that implies that there’s a point where it IS sufficient.

    If there isn’t such a point, then this whole effort is disingenuous. If there is such a point, then they’re keeping it from us.

    If the goal is to have representation among coaches, front offices and ownership match that of players, then it would mean the near-complete exclusion of anyone not black from those areas.

    If that’s not the goal, or if it is the goal, they should tell us.

  19. If 80% of the players on the field are black, there is no reason except institutional racism why ~~~ + – 80% of coaches should not also be black. This is a classic labor-management issue. It takes experience and teaching ability to be a coach — best experience is what is gained on the field playing the game. Ex-players overwhelmingly make up the coaching ranks — coaching ranks should reflect playing ranks — so why are black players turned coaches not more fully represented in the proportions in which they appear on the field?

    This expansion of the Rooney Rule is a welcome step to addressing this glaring imbalance.

    Makes perfect sense to me.

  20. The reality is that NFL teams will go with whoever they feel gives them the best chance at winning and a SB.

    Dungy is so overrated. People forget that the coach who followed Dungy in TB immediately won a Super Bowl with the same team.

  21. PoliticalCorrectnessBelongsInTheKitchen says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:36 am
    There are 3 African American head coaches which is 10%. National percent of African Americans is 14%. Where exactly is the huge “fall off”? As apposed to the 68% African American players when the US is 72% white. Sounds like a different problem to me.
    ___________________________________________
    Yep. It’s a league problem. Now stop deflecting to national numbers and recalculate with NFL League numbers.

    #seethelight?

  22. RogerThat! says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:33 am
    What do you mean “someone like Tony Dungy”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    THAT is the underlying issue. It should have been “If Tony Dungy…” by saying “someone like Tony Dungy…” it emphasizes his race, at least to some. He could have meant “someone” as in HoF coach but if Bill Parcells would have said that there most likely wouldn’t have been an article. Dungy is a HoF coach and he is black and his race somehow gives more meaning for some people on this issue and less for others. THOSE people on both sides are the real problem because they instinctively assign value to race when none should exist. Florio is obviously not a racist and he has great respect for Dungy but people will interpret his words however it supports their own argument.

  23. If they’re going to try and change things then the commissioner’s office would be a great place to start. The current guy is not only Caucasian but also the son of a US Senator which undoubtedly helped him get his foot in the door. I love the letter-writing story about how Goodell first got into the NFL straight out of college but it surely helps when your dad must have been personally known by a number of the owners.

  24. Here’s the realest things ever written for all you white boys on here complaining about why there is a diversity problem amongst execs and why that same logic doesn’t apply to players. Prepare to have your minds blown. If it’s the best player plays on the field and the majority of those players are black wouldn’t that same logic apply to the front office and coaching as well? In the front office it’s straight nepotism. Every thing the “best player plays ” crowd hates. So if it’s best player plays and the majority of the players are black and we have a good ol boy network of nepotism that prevents opportunity…? Oh and the argument some of y’all have about why the league is predominantly black has nothing to do with black men being gifted anything it’s that were just better athletes in general. Stop hating and trying to live vicariously through these athletes. Smdh.

  25. What would prevent a team from hiring a minority GM but giving the final decision making to the VP of whatever? The team gets the draft benefit, but, it really doesn’t solve the perceived issue.

    Harder to do if it were a head coach, but, it could be done in theory.

  26. I think for the vast majority of teams, the color of a candidate has very little to do with it, and giving teams a better 3rd round pick isn’t going to change that.

  27. Funny, many casual observers would look at the NFL and say that African Americans are the majority. This is not a diversity issue until all minorities have a seat at the table not just African Americans.

  28. I dont care if the best person for the job is white,black or polka dot.
    As long as he can win.
    Dungy was an inferior coach who rode Manning’s coattails.

  29. Newsflash … no one cares. The more this crap gets brought up, the less people will care.

  30. Whites are 8% of the world population. That is the definition of minority so why is that overlooked? I have every right to claim minority status too.

  31. Every other draft pick then needs to be a person of a different color. . ….

  32. The lazy, white, racist football fans in this comment section are really just letting their hate spew freely.

  33. iejdaniel says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:48 am
    Dungy sure wasn’t squawking when Dennis Green’s staff, of which he was a member, was predominantly African-American.

    And guess what? Neither were we.
    ____________________________________________________
    ….welcome white privy.

    what you don’t have a problem with I’m not supposed to either.

  34. I think a lot of the race problems in our country have to do with fearing black men. Most of our neighborhoods are segregated, so the only exposure we get to black people is what we see on TV. What we see on TV is black men completely and utterly dominating white men in sports, and that scares the hell out of us. God knows what would happen if we ever pulled our feet off their necks and allowed competition everywhere else, and we don’t want to find out. We like the advantages we enjoy as white Americans, and we want the same for our children. We’re not going to give it up unless we’re forced to. People don’t just hate to be hating. They hate what they fear. Fear is a natural instinct that is crucial for survival. It is what it is.

  35. jamaltimore says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:20 am

    Funny, many casual observers would look at the NFL and say that African Americans are the majority. This is not a diversity issue until all minorities have a seat at the table not just African Americans.

    =================

    What we see, and will see, is that it’s a human trait, not just a white trait, to be satisfied with a status quo that favors you or your tribe. No one wants to give up power once they have it.

  36. You only notice it, if you are looking for it. what does everything in sport need to be about race?

  37. Awesome, we’ve finally hammered out the value of minorities. 6 picks for a coach, 10 picks for a GM/Executive.

    Is this in addition to, or replacing, the 40 acres and a mule value?

    Don’t want to get confused.

  38. Teams will hire the best candidates, regardless of race. The question to ask is why aren’t more people of color considered “the best candidates”? Thats the problem the NFL should be trying to rectify if they really want more minorities in those positions.

    Instead of forcing interviews for high-level positions, why not require teams to employ minority candidates at lower-level positions? Create a program that takes recent College Grads and sticks them in low-level NFL positions. Give these minority candidates an actual opportunity to learn and become a qualified candidate. We see Coaches get their sons jobs all of the time. If there is room for nepotism, there is certainly room for an entry-level job for minorities. Don’t take jobs away from anyone, but create new ones on each team to be filled by minorities. That is IF they actually think this is a problem

  39. Why is this not an issue in European football or basketball ?

    Why only here do we continue to bring this up? Racism still exists yes but there has to be open and honest talk about the issue, forcing quotas or giving incentives help no one

  40. The NFL needs to develop a more formal training program for coaches and front office executives that give all former players the chance to learn and gain the skills that the teams are looking for. Implementation of a successful program will negate the need for Rooney rule as it would be developing great leaders who will be highly sought after by teams, regardless of racial or ethnic background.

  41. actually if the draft illustrated anything its that coincidentally a lot of this year’s drafteeshad some personal hardship in their family life. way to persevere gentlemen.

  42. Best man for the job but of course you’ll have different groups claiming all kinds of bs like mrblk619 up there no matter what the result

  43. collectordude says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:20 am
    I dont care if the best person for the job is white,black or polka dot.
    As long as he can win.
    Dungy was an inferior coach who rode Manning’s coattails.

    ———————-

    This is nonsense. Dungy built an excellent team in TB and chances are he would have won a SB had he stayed another year. TB beat the raiders in that SB mainly because they didn’t change Gruden’s offense.

    In Indianapolis Dungy built another excellent defense to compliment Manning and won a SB. That defense wasn’t just average. They were well built and coached and the Tampa 2 was tough to play against.

    Dungy played his part in that SB win and deserves credit for getting fired, going to Indy and building it all again and winning.

  44. I’m so sick of hearing about race. It’s every single freaking day, all day. I just tune it out now.

  45. The whining white guys are out in force again. The world as they know is crumbing all around them.

    The “logic,” and I use that very loosely, about the % of this and % of that and comparing athletic skills as a player and to coaching and leading is a 5th graders argument.

    It’s no secret that the NFL has had a white mans, country club mentality. When you have the likes of John Fox, Doug Marrone, Adam Gase, Pat Shurmur just to name a few have multiple head coaching opportunitiesnot to mention the countless retreads in the front office – Gettleman, Dorse, John Idzik (Jets GM if you can’t remember) it shows a pattern of a closed insiders club and demonstrates a lack of foresight of the owners at the best and prejudice and racism at the worst.

    And remember these guys own franchises, just like McDonalds, and many have inherited their franchise from Daddy. So lest they forget their franchise can be taken away, just ask Donald Sterling.

  46. There have been plenty of black coaches given opportunities. They just keep getting fired because they didn’t win.

  47. Not sure why everyone tries to weave race into everything. When I see people I see people, I don’t account for the color of their skin.

  48. This isn’t complicated, coaches hire those that are good and those they are familiar with. Whether it’s racist or not, folks tend to associate with those that are similar, meaning more white coaches hang around with white guys. Since those white guys are familiar, they are more likely to be hired. That’s where the good old boy network comes into play. I thought the NFL had a smart process going with the minority internship programs, giving minority coaches and coach wannabees a chance to gain that familiarity. The NFL can’t cure racism, and based on the comments above, the NFL can’t cure fan racism either. But it can create the coaching familiarity that creates more opportunities. They should focus on what they can do and what works, not a bunch of idealistic mumbo jumbo.

  49. 666football666 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:25 am
    The lazy, white, racist football fans in this comment section are really just letting their hate spew freely.
    ____________________________________________

    Not wearing a mask. My body, my choice. Oh, wait … probably more intolerance and whining about that, too. Shocking.

  50. uncommon1 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:47 am
    Teams will hire the best candidates, regardless of race. The question to ask is why aren’t more people of color considered “the best candidates”? Thats the problem the NFL should be trying to rectify if they really want more minorities in those positions.

    Instead of forcing interviews for high-level positions, why not require teams to employ minority candidates at lower-level positions? Create a program that takes recent College Grads and sticks them in low-level NFL positions. Give these minority candidates an actual opportunity to learn and become a qualified candidate. We see Coaches get their sons jobs all of the time. If there is room for nepotism, there is certainly room for an entry-level job for minorities. Don’t take jobs away from anyone, but create new ones on each team to be filled by minorities. That is IF they actually think this is a problem
    ——————————————

    An expanded Bill Walsh Diversity Coaching Fellowship (which is just off-season/training camp) would be a great idea.

  51. Michael E says:
    May 19, 2020 at 12:05 pm
    I’m so sick of hearing about race. It’s every single freaking day, all day. I just tune it out now.
    _______________________________________________
    ….coming from the lifeform who never fails to interject race and race based ideology into every thread.
    ….ima count the days.

    #knowthyself

  52. Would it make the Rooney law people happy to just fire all white coaches and replace with black? So tired of hearing about this.

    On the field its the best player that gets to play. Should be the same in the office.

    ===
    While I ultimately agree with the sentiment here…do you honestly believe that Freddie Kitchens last year or Joe Judge are more qualified then Eric Beienemy?

  53. dcpatfan says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:07 am
    PoliticalCorrectnessBelongsInTheKitchen says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:36 am
    There are 3 African American head coaches which is 10%. National percent of African Americans is 14%. Where exactly is the huge “fall off”? As apposed to the 68% African American players when the US is 72% white. Sounds like a different problem to me.
    ___________________________________________
    Yep. It’s a league problem. Now stop deflecting to national numbers and recalculate with NFL League numbers.

    I’m sorry for deflecting and using math as an argument for equal employment…. The point I was making is we are either going with “best man for the job” or we are not. If not, I need to see more Jason sehorns.

  54. RogerThat! says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:33 am

    What do you mean “someone like Tony Dungy”
    _____________________

    Dude, that’s a GREAT question…

  55. charliecharger says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:35 am
    I think a lot of the race problems in our country have to do with fearing black men. Most of our neighborhoods are segregated, so the only exposure we get to black people is what we see on TV. What we see on TV is black men completely and utterly dominating white men in sports, and that scares the hell out of us. God knows what would happen if we ever pulled our feet off their necks and allowed competition everywhere else, and we don’t want to find out. We like the advantages we enjoy as white Americans, and we want the same for our children. We’re not going to give it up unless we’re forced to. People don’t just hate to be hating. They hate what they fear. Fear is a natural instinct that is crucial for survival. It is what it is.

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    Try not to let sympathetic feelings and emotions guide your thinking. Neighborhoods aren’t segregated. That’s illegal. People do tend to congregate with people that look, walk, & talk like themselves. Sometimes those neighborhoods have names like Chinatown, Little Italy, Koreatown, Germantown, etc. Sometimes it’s just a preponderance of Latinos or East Indian people etc. You make it sound like people are forced to live like that, when in fact, it is often just human nature…unless you are a Diversity comrade who knows what is best and wants to force people to live together in precise ratios. Of course, not in YOUR neighborhood I am sure. I personally live in a very diverse area and I get a lot more blowback from people because of what I look like than I have ever given out. You act like white people are the only people that have a human nature and everyone else has a PHD in Diversitopia. It’s not like that. Not by a long shot. The hate I have had expressed towards me just walking my dog would shock you. One even approached me with a baseball bat. Race relations are a two way street today as far as I am concerned. Your comments are really a bit cringeworthy. As for coaches, I have no issue with whatever race the guys are. Just be able to coach. I happen to like Anthony Lynn myself. What is not said is that many of these coaches regardless of race, played at one point, and some maybe had to study harder to play better because they did not have the same athletic ability, and that translated into being able to teach and coach. Many transition earlier to teaching and coaching because they can’t get a roster spot due to the shrinking number of spots as they age into the smaller professional ranks from college. Now you want to take away the advantage they created for themselves to maintain a place in the game? You want the super athlete to have all the advantages? You want to penalize guys that had to adapt to their reality of lesser athletic ability, and take away what they worked hard to earn? What coaches would lose out? Under this scenario, Bill Belichick might not have got his shot. That would probably be okay with you though because if a few lives have to suffer to achieve the greater good (as you see it), then the ends justifies the means. Smalls like communism to me comrade.

  56. Yeah, I was thinking that as well. I didn’t see many women coaches or GMs, and it’s a travesty.

  57. US population: 72.4% white 16.3% latino 12.6% black.

    So the 32 coach jobs should theoretically be filled by: 23 white 5 latino 4 black.

  58. So, don’t hire this coach because of the color of their skin.

    Hire this coach because of the color of their skin. Oh, and we’ll give the team a bonus to do this.

    Literally sounds like racism.

  59. So you want the NFL to fix the fact that they’re minorities and only make up a small percentage of the population?

  60. mrblksd619 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:13 am
    Here’s the realest things ever written for all you white boys on here complaining about why there is a diversity problem amongst execs and why that same logic doesn’t apply to players. Prepare to have your minds blown. If it’s the best player plays on the field and the majority of those players are black wouldn’t that same logic apply to the front office and coaching as well? In the front office it’s straight nepotism. Every thing the “best player plays ” crowd hates. So if it’s best player plays and the majority of the players are black and we have a good ol boy network of nepotism that prevents opportunity…? Oh and the argument some of y’all have about why the league is predominantly black has nothing to do with black men being gifted anything it’s that were just better athletes in general. Stop hating and trying to live vicariously through these athletes. Smdh.
    _________________________________________________

    This, exactly!!

  61. So what? NORMAL people think diversity of thought is more important.
    Give it a try.

  62. FlashPatterson says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:31 pm
    US population: 72.4% white 16.3% latino 12.6% black.
    So the 32 coach jobs should theoretically be filled by: 23 white 5 latino 4 black.
    ______________________________________________________________________

    We are talking about the NFL here, not the US population. Re-work your numbers and get back to me. #factsmatter

  63. 666football666 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:25 am
    The lazy, white, racist football fans in this comment section are really just letting their hate spew freely.
    ____________________________________________
    Not wearing a mask. My body, my choice. Oh, wait … probably more intolerance and whining about that, too. Shocking.
    ________________________________________________________

    Huh? Who’s not wear a mask? What are you talking about? You sound like a little, white snowflake bruh.

  64. PoliticalCorrectnessBelongsInTheKitchen says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:13 pm
    dcpatfan says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:07 am
    PoliticalCorrectnessBelongsInTheKitchen says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:36 am
    There are 3 African American head coaches which is 10%. National percent of African Americans is 14%. Where exactly is the huge “fall off”? As apposed to the 68% African American players when the US is 72% white. Sounds like a different problem to me.
    ___________________________________________
    Yep. It’s a league problem. Now stop deflecting to national numbers and recalculate with NFL League numbers.

    I’m sorry for deflecting and using math as an argument for equal employment…. The point I was making is we are either going with “best man for the job” or we are not. If not, I need to see more Jason sehorns.
    __________________________________________
    …your using the wrong math for the problem is what I am telling you. The deflectors want to keep quoting the country’s percentage of Black individuals and parcel out the amount of minority hires thusly. When in actuality the problem and proposed solutions is about the lack of diversity in the 70% minority rank and file of the NFL.

  65. I am saddened to see this topic. Coaching/playing should not be about race but instead competence. Could you imagine if teams were rewarded for playing a black QB or a white CB? The fans want their teams to win and they want the players and coaches to show some character and be good citizens. That is all.

  66. Good thing they don’t make teams bring at least one white corner to camp. None of these kids were born the last time a white dude was on an NFL roster with the letters “CB” next to his name.

  67. FlashPatterson says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:31 pm
    US population: 72.4% white 16.3% latino 12.6% black.

    So the 32 coach jobs should theoretically be filled by: 23 white 5 latino 4 black.

    ******************************************************************************

    Correct reasoning, but you’re using the wrong numbers.

    The correct population to compare against isn’t the U.S. population, because the applicant population that coaches come from doesn’t mirror the U.S population.

    If the entire U.S. population was the referent population, you’d also have to argue that 51% of coaches should be women. Given how few women there are in the industry of professional football, you can see why that doesn’t make sense.

  68. 666football666 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:56 pm
    mrblksd619 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:13 am
    Here’s the realest things ever written for all you white boys on here complaining about why there is a diversity problem amongst execs and why that same logic doesn’t apply to players. Prepare to have your minds blown. If it’s the best player plays on the field and the majority of those players are black wouldn’t that same logic apply to the front office and coaching as well? In the front office it’s straight nepotism. Every thing the “best player plays ” crowd hates. So if it’s best player plays and the majority of the players are black and we have a good ol boy network of nepotism that prevents opportunity…? Oh and the argument some of y’all have about why the league is predominantly black has nothing to do with black men being gifted anything it’s that were just better athletes in general. Stop hating and trying to live vicariously through these athletes. Smdh.
    _________________________________________________

    This, exactly!
    ———————
    Just because you play a sport doesn’t mean you can coach a sport. Athleticism is given which is why most make it to the league and explains the demographics of the players. Learning football is not given To you. You have to earn it through putting in the time, hard work, and full commitment which explains the demographics of the coaches.

  69. 666football666 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    We are talking about the NFL here, not the US population. Re-work your numbers and get back to me. #factsmatter

    =============

    It’s hard to miss that people looking for a larger slice of the pie pick whichever metric best supports their cause. Women tennis players say, equal pay for equal work (even though the work isn’t equal). Women soccer players say, pay should be equal because we generate equal revenues. Those advocating for more black representation in NFL coaching & management say, look at player population (which is an entirely different field of endeavor).

    Everyone’s just looking for more and choosing whatever justification is convenient. It will never be enough, and once a gain is made, no one will ever want to give it up. That’s the situation we’re in now and human nature will make sure it doesn’t change. Once someone gets something, they want more of it and don’t ever want to lose any of it.

    There will never be enough pie to satisfy human greed.

  70. The problem is that a lot of coaching and sports management entry is via the “good ole boy” network. Many coaching conventions and coaching clinics are for networking and meeting connections. Many African-Americans are not part of any “good ole boy” networks and its hard to get into them. Playing gold and hunting are some of the off field activities that get people into these networks and invitations often are hard to get.

  71. The main problem is these people saw what the TV showed them and they all have tunnel-vision and don’t see the big picture. If there aren’t enough truly qualified minorities in the coaching pipeline then where are they supposed to get all of these qualified black HCs and GMs from(and I guess that’s what minority means now days because that’s all they talk about, blacks,), so what do they just get handed those jobs because there really isn’t enough truly qualified blacks to fill them. I know some say Bieniemy but seriously he has just 2yr as an OC and 10 as a RB coach, do you really believe that’s enough experience to lead a team as a HC? And besides that’s 100% Andy’s offense and Andy’s playbook, not Eric’s!

    When a OC is hired as a HC he’s expected to bring a playbook and a lot of offensive experience with him, Bieniemy can’t do that. Also with the push the league has made towards the offense it puts DC’s on the back-burner and that’s where the most black HC candidate come from, but because the NFL has had this huge offensive push now most teams don’t want DC as HCs, who’s fault is that? I blame the NFL for the offensive push they’ve had for the last 10+yrs.

    All I’m saying is instead of having tunnel-vision and just seeing the 3 black HCs and 2 black GMs and repeating “there are’t enough black HC/GMs in the NFL” look at the BIG PICTURE and really look at the reasons why it’s that way and then maybe people will start to realize that adding another unqualified person to the interview process isn’t going to help a thing, they have to start from the ground floor in getting blacks into the entry level positions, just handing them positions or adding more hoops for teams to jump through will not help a thing! You have to have the qualified candidates in the job pool out there or else nothing will change = PERIOD!

  72. So if they want an all black league what was the problem years ago? Or maybe if we’re just looking for diversity maybe they should have to hire at least one coach from EVERY race. Or, better yet, have to draft at least one player from every race plus a woman.

  73. 666football666 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:56 pm
    mrblksd619 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:13 am
    Here’s the realest things ever written for all you white boys on here complaining about why there is a diversity problem amongst execs and why that same logic doesn’t apply to players. Prepare to have your minds blown. If it’s the best player plays on the field and the majority of those players are black wouldn’t that same logic apply to the front office and coaching as well? In the front office it’s straight nepotism. Every thing the “best player plays ” crowd hates. So if it’s best player plays and the majority of the players are black and we have a good ol boy network of nepotism that prevents opportunity…? Oh and the argument some of y’all have about why the league is predominantly black has nothing to do with black men being gifted anything it’s that were just better athletes in general. Stop hating and trying to live vicariously through these athletes. Smdh
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    So teams will put together the best possible roster to win but when it comes to coaching they don’t choose the best candidate and go by color? That’s makes perfect sense.

  74. When are they going to address the lack of white players?

    I mean, look at the percentages there should be more. It’s an injustice right?

    See what happens when you open this line of thinking?

  75. Diversity is a media created problem. It’s not an actual issue for most businesses. When hiring an executive or an employee, always hire the best candidate that will fit in to your company’s culture or has a record of changing cultures for the better. Those are the only requirements, not gender or race. Don’t force a square peg into a round hole just for the purpose of the square peg to stand out in your company photos. It’s always the wrong move.

  76. Next up, if you hire a female as HC or GM you can have the top pick in next year’s draft.

  77. 666football666 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:57 pm

    FlashPatterson says:
    May 19, 2020 at 1:31 pm
    US population: 72.4% white 16.3% latino 12.6% black.
    So the 32 coach jobs should theoretically be filled by: 23 white 5 latino 4 black.
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    We are talking about the NFL here, not the US population. Re-work your numbers and get back to me. #factsmatter
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    The above numbers given ARE facts. You are the one trying to skew or pigeon hole the numbers. Being a former player doesn’t mean they are qualified to lead others.

  78. Saying that there is a lack of white players is not the same. There is no politics and favoritism in Athletics. Not that I am saying there is racial bias in the front office. I have no way of knowing if that’s true. For players it is merit based, driven by performance. So it’s transparent by what you see on the football field. So it’s easier to qualify that as not related to racial bias. The other is harder to judge and thus opens up this Pandora’s box.

    There is sort of a selection bias if you will in the NFL by position. Whites are far more likely to be found in the following positions: OT, TE, QB, Punter and Kicker. and now slot receivers. Blacks are most likely to be found in: RB, WR, DLINE, LB, CB, Safety. You decide why that’s the case.

  79. mrblksd619 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:13 am
    Here’s the realest things ever written for all you white boys
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    White boys, NAH you’re not racist?

  80. Johnny Manziel could have used a lot of Dungy’s help. I wonder why it didn’t happen.

  81. udub says:
    May 19, 2020 at 3:36 pm
    When are they going to address the lack of white players?

    I mean, look at the percentages there should be more. It’s an injustice right?

    See what happens when you open this line of thinking?

    No we can use your logic on this. The best player plays. White athletes simply aren’t good enough to make rosters at some positions. 🤷🏿‍♂️

  82. What I noticed is that my house is a lot more like the draftee’s houses than the drafter’s. Maybe somebody can diversify my house for me a little bit, I’ll wait here for it…

  83. For all of those repeating “there isn’t enough black HC/GMs”, instead of just repeating this cliche(go look it up because it really fits here) for the millionth time try putting a list together of truly qualified black candidates together and include it with your comment and by truly qualified I mean years of experiecne at the OC, DC positions or in a front office and remember that just a couple/few years at the position doesn’t qualify anyone, not even whites! Sure some teams take a chance on people with very limited creds(like the Cards, Bengals, Panthers) but that’s on the owners/GMs of those teams that hire those people with limited qualifications and they’ll learn through losses and be looking to fill that position again in a few short years. Just as Denver did with Joseph and Cleveland did with 1-31 Hue. Teams should be allowed to hire who they want because in the end it is only their team that will pay the price for them hiring HCs and GMs with little to no experience.

    BTW in 2017 we started the season with 7 black HCs and 1 latino and ended the season with 2 blacks and one latino, so who’s fault is it exactly that those other 5 couldn’t do the job they were hired for?

    I only see two places the blame can be put, on the teams for hiring someone with so little experience or on the HCs who couldn’t do the job. The problem is in the NFL too many people look at it like there’s only 1 winner every year, the team that wins the SB and there are 31 losers, when you look at it like that there’s going to be a whole lot of firings every single year. And what about Schottenheimer who took the Chargers to a 14-2 season made the Playoffs and got fired, where was all the outrage about that, imagine if he’d have been black we’d still be hearing about it but since he was white, NOT A SINGLE PEEP, but at least the Chargers got what they deserved for doing it, a long extended trip to SUCK TOWN!!! I’m bringing this up to prove a point, teams dont just want a winning record they want deep runs into the playoffs and SB appearances, not just 9-7 seasons and even whitie gets fired for not getting his team over the proverbial hump, so don’t even bring up Lovie or Caldwell because I can give you 10 white HCs for every black one that had winning records and got fired also. It’s not something thats just exclusive to blacks.

    Remember the old saying: there are only two kinds of HCs in the NFL, those that have been fired and those that are going to be fired, same goes for GMs!

  84. I would be curious to see how many black scouts and draft experts are out there. Blacks may have to start carving a career path a certain way towards what can lead to front office roles. I think (I could be wrong) there are many more white scouts and self proclaimed draft gurus on TV. What makes Mayock qualified for GM? I think we as individuals just have to market ourselves as experts and be seen that way. Seeing is believing. No one finds hidden gems for front office. Stop taking on these petty TV gigs as a generalist analyst on ESPN etc.

  85. mrblksd619 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:13 am
    Here’s the realest things ever written for all you white boys on here complaining about why there is a diversity problem amongst execs and why that same logic doesn’t apply to players. Prepare to have your minds blown. If it’s the best player plays on the field and the majority of those players are black wouldn’t that same logic apply to the front office and coaching as well? In the front office it’s straight nepotism. Every thing the “best player plays ” crowd hates. So if it’s best player plays and the majority of the players are black and we have a good ol boy network of nepotism that prevents opportunity…? Oh and the argument some of y’all have about why the league is predominantly black has nothing to do with black men being gifted anything it’s that were just better athletes in general. Stop hating and trying to live vicariously through these athletes. Smdh.

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    Bad take. There are plenty of good and very good black athletes. However there are many who are recruited at certain positions due to being black and afforded opportunities predicated on skin color rather than ability. The inverse is true for white athletes – they are written off at positions like CB, S, RB, WR, DL because they are white. Plenty of white athletes will be told during the recruiting process right to their faces that since they are white the college/university will not recruit them at certain positions – namely CB, WR and RB. Also you see many more white defensive players get recruited and get switched to white appropriate positions such as TE and OL. Additionally white WRs are disproportionately required to bulk up and convert to TE and white RBs are converted to FB.

    I find it ridiculous that the best RB in the NFL can be white yet there aren’t 20 more white RBs on NFL rosters. Jordy Nelson was a dominant outside WR and yet the league is riddled with mediocre black WRs who have yet to reach their “upside”. Let’s not forget about Wes Welker – the most dominant slot WR in NFL history – somehow he is written off rather than opening barriers and giving more white athletes a chance. The notion that somehow after Jason Sehorn no white person has the ability to play CB – also ridiculous. Let’s be honest there are plenty of bad black players in the league – piss poor secondaries giving up TDs, missed tackles, zero fundamentals, lapses in mental focus. You can spout your “the best players play BS” all you want – but I just laid out a nice opening argument to blow it up. Blow up college recruiting and all the recruiting services and start recruiting the best players – stop racially slotting players and ignoring white athletes if they play certain positions. You may think blacks are better but when it is not an even playing field in recruiting and the systematic discrimination goes unchallenged we will not see the best players on the field.

    Also don’t say white boy unless you want to be called boy yourself – that is another nice example of the racial double standard that exists in this country. You folks can’t be the aggressors and the victims too!

  86. mrblksd619 says:
    May 19, 2020 at 11:13 am
    Here’s the realest things ever written for all you white boys on here complaining about why there is a diversity problem amongst execs and why that same logic doesn’t apply to players. Prepare to have your minds blown. If it’s the best player plays on the field and the majority of those players are black wouldn’t that same logic apply to the front office and coaching as well? In the front office it’s straight nepotism. Every thing the “best player plays ” crowd hates. So if it’s best player plays and the majority of the players are black and we have a good ol boy network of nepotism that prevents opportunity…? Oh and the argument some of y’all have about why the league is predominantly black has nothing to do with black men being gifted anything it’s that were just better athletes in general. Stop hating and trying to live vicariously through these athletes. Smdh.
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    You are not being “real”, you are being racist. You see predominantly black players on the field and you think “that must be because they are the best” but when you see predominately white men coaches and GMs you think “that’s only because they are racist and something needs to be done about it.” Your nepotism argument is garbage. Nepotism effects everybody, not just minority candidates. If there are 3 candidates–one white guy, one black guy and the GM’s nephew and the nephew gets the job whether qualified or not, that’s nepotism. However, for some reason you seem to think that only the black candidate got a raw deal. FYI the “best man for the job” crowd dislikes nepotism on behalf of BOTH the guys being treated unfairly, not just the one that shares their race. Did you think “the good ol boys” were at work in Miami when all major hires but the OC were black? Nope. You were likely happy that the “white boys” didn’t get the job. Your points are all BS because they are born from emotion and ignorance.

  87. “There is sort of a selection bias if you will in the NFL by position. Whites are far more likely to be found in the following positions: OT, TE, QB, Punter and Kicker. and now slot receivers. Blacks are most likely to be found in: RB, WR, DLINE, LB, CB, Safety. You decide why that’s the case.”

    Kinda like how the best and most dominate RB in the league (and season statistical leader) right now is white, right? How many of them even get a chance to try playing RB in college b/c of the stereotype?

  88. “I think it gave a visual picture to what everyone was seeing.”

    The picture I get is that no one is publicly going on record to say who exactly are these better candidates that are being passed over?

  89. rodgerstonelson says:
    May 19, 2020 at 10:15 am
    Would it make the Rooney law people happy to just fire all white coaches and replace with black? So tired of hearing about this.

    On the field its the best player that gets to play. Should be the same in the office.
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    I think that is part of the problem. Coaching in the NFL is like a club for the most part. Coaches hire their buddies when they fill out the staff. Often they don’t hire the best positional coaches, just retread coordinators who gave them a job in the past and a lot of nepotism as well. Rex Ryan employed a number of “buddies” on his staff who have no jobs now because Rex has no job. What does that tell you?

    Those positional coaching jobs are how you move up the ranks and if you only hire your buddies there will be less no blood in the coaching ranks.

    Not sure the “Rooney Rule” really has anything to do with that, more that people hire who they are familiar with. That is what you saw during the draft.

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