Herm Edwards thinks rewarding hiring with draft picks is a bad idea

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Former Jets and Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards does not agree with the proposal to reward teams that hire minority coaches and GMs with better draft picks.

The proposal, which NFL owners decided to table this week, would have moved a team up 10 spots in the third round of the draft if it had a minority general manager and six spots if it had a minority head coach. Edwards says that makes no sense.

“The first thing that came to my mind was, ‘What does that look like?’” Edwards told the New York Post. “What does that even sound like? This is the National Football League. This is supposed to be the standard bearer of how things are done. And to incentivize people for not only interviewing guys but hiring guys? No one wants that. I don’t blame any owner for hiring whoever he wants to hire. But to incentivize it, it just makes it awkward, man. You don’t want to get hired under that cloud. It’s bad for the league, it’s bad for the coach, it’s just bad for football.”

Edwards said that he, Tony Dungy, Marvin Lewis, Lovie Smith and Mike Tomlin all became head coaches because owners were interested in hiring coaches from the defensive side of the ball. Now, Edwards wants to see more diversity among quarterbacks coaches and offensive coordinators, and thinks that will lead to more diversity among head coaches.

“That was a defensive era, and a lot of defensive guys got hired,’’ Edwards said. “Now the era has flipped for the most part to an era of offense. Well, guess what? Who coaches the quarterbacks and who are the offensive coordinators? They’re not many guys of color that coach those positions.’’

Edwards, who is now the head coach at Arizona State, has been in coaching since 1987. He’s been living the issue of diversity in coaching for decades, and has a lot of wisdom about where the NFL is and where it needs to go.

30 responses to “Herm Edwards thinks rewarding hiring with draft picks is a bad idea

  1. The only diversity that should matter today is diversity of thought. Defining people by what they can’t change from birth is stupid. Stop it.

  2. Best comment yet. Simply put, when there are qualified candidates available – they get hired. In the late 90s early 2000s, that Tony Dungy (and Monte Kiffin) Tampa 2 D spawned a ton of wonderful coaches and of course you had/have Marvin Lewis the Todd Bowles of the world, defensive masterminds and by the way – NO ISSUES getting hired. If you’re qualified then you’re qualified. Can’t build Rome in a day, there has to be a generation of people that eventually come up through the ranks on the offensive side of the ball. And I would imagine you don’t just start learning in the NFL either. Start at some small unknown college like everyone else. Good god, these white dudes are football lifers and have been “cutting tape” and looking at film since they were babies, working 75 hours a week and sleeping on campus – should they get passed up for an NFL job for a token offering? People need to get real, this isn’t an easy industry to crack

  3. I don’t pretend to know what a man or woman of color has faced during their lives, but I love Herm’s comments. I just can’t imagine that coaches of color would want to be hired in these circumstances. Who in the NFL comes up with these really bad ideas?

  4. Rooney rule is beneficial because it gives a minority coach experience in preparing for the interview. Marvin Lewis was speaking of college coaches but Many minority coaching candidates don’t stay long enough to build a solid resume In The same program. If they did, they could build a better pipeline especially with recruiting players to their school. I think minority coaches have a real chance to establish a foothold in college especially when it comes to recruiting. As far as the pros go, I’d heard that when one minority candidate interviews for the job he is hired 1/22 chances but when multiple minorities interview for the job it’s more like 4/12. This is going back the past 5-10 years I believe. Pretty interesting.

  5. Until there is black owner in the room with the others…sharing opinions, making decisions, holding the old boys ACCOUNTABLE…none of this will fundamentally change.

  6. cannot stand dungy, but always liked this guy

    common sense with no victim mentality

    how did dungy get into the hof? how?

  7. The hired position that matters the most in the NFL and has NEVER had or even considered a diversity hiring is Commissioner. If the NFL and Goodell wants to really show they support diversity hiring, then Goodell should resign and a minority/woman should be hired instead. But I imagine if Goodell’s job is on the line…. he would not be so quick to support losing it because of his race/sex.

  8. If my team loses one player because another team moved up, thats it for me. Same with the first team overseas.

  9. Herm, the NFL agrees with you. It’s a horrible idea. I just think they’re trying to do away with the whole Rooney Rule idea. The strategy is to make it so ridiculous, everyone will be against it. It’s kind of like what it appears they’re doing with video replay. They’re trying to sabotage it.

  10. Jerry Jones of the Cowboys shows why this is useless. Jones knew that Jason Garrett was going to be his head coach long before any recruiting or interview process and made things to comply with the Rooney rules while doing what he wanted. Same with hiring Mike McCarthy when he interviewed a black coach electronically just to be legal. It is useless for the NFL to legislate things when owners like Jerry Jones already know who his head coach will be even BEFORE any interviews are done – the whole process is rugged. Interviewing black candidates to be legal is just a waste of time and rather insulting to those black candidates.

  11. @ nyyankeehatespoliticos,

    Not its not totally useless, it gives them some interview experience so at least that way they’re not walking into future interviews blind, they know what to expect and that in-itself is experience. And I don’t have one problem with an owner or GM knowing who they want to hire before the process even starts because the Rooney’s knew they wanted Tomlin before the process started and Snyder knew he wanted Rivera, I don’t have a problem with that. So what if Jones knew he was going to hire McCarthy before the process and he interviewed a black candidate because the NFL said he had to, if people don’t like it then stop putting those hoops out there and making teams jump through them!

    It just doesn’t sound like some people will be happy until the entire NFL is black.
    BTW just 3 yrs ago(2017) we started the season with 6 black GMs and 7 black HCs, but how soon people forget those things! Who’s fault is it they couldn’t do the job and got fired?
    It’s actually a really easy equation, win and keep your job, lose and you’re gone, it doesn’t matter what the color of your skin is that’s the way it’s been for decades. OH and these owners/GMs don’t want just a 9-7 HC, they get fired all the time, they want the guy that’ll advance the team and take them to the Playoffs and then get a little better every year. Their not keeping the guy that just goes 9-7 every year. Hell I remember when Schottenheimer took the Chargers to a 14-2 record, made the Payoffs and still got fired, can you imagine the outrage if he’d have been black? But since he was white we didn’t hear a peep! But at least the Chargers got exactly what they deserved for it, over a decade in Loserville.

  12. touchback6 says:
    May 23, 2020 at 10:21 am
    cannot stand dungy, but always liked this guy

    common sense with no victim mentality

    how did dungy get into the hof? how?
    ____________________________

    He grabbed ahold of Peyton’s coattails and went along for the ride!

  13. If we as a society are trying to achieve equality. How does this make any sense.

    I was embarrassed to even read this was purposed.

    Herm is spot on.

  14. Marvin Lewis said it was like having Jim Crow laws, and he is right.

    Racist rules are racist rules, no matter which race they benefit. The NFL is a meritocracy and it it were not then the league would have rules to benefit White and Asian and Hispanic players. They are underrepresented on the team rosters, but the NFL doesn’t propose rules to have 62% white players, 17% Hispanic, 13% black, 5% Asian and 3% other.

    Why not?

  15. I think it’s racist that they’re only asking black guys what they think… What ever happened to that profound desire to have an “honest DIALOG” about racial issues??

  16. If league had 20 African american head coaches that still wouldn’t be enough for the quota folks. Spare me.

  17. If I was a black coach I’d make it known that I was available to satisfy half of a team’s Rooney Rule needs for a measly $50k per appearance. I mean, there’s a definite need for such a service, time to take advantage.

  18. chc4 says:
    May 23, 2020 at 6:21 pm
    If league had 20 African american head coaches that still wouldn’t be enough for the quota folks. Spare me.
    ——————————

    NOTHING will ever be enough. Because if it was, then the race hustlers wouldn’t be able to raise money for “the cause” anymore.

    And let’s be brutally honest and boil it all down: “racism” isn’t a cause anymore, it’s an industry.

    Conflict of interest. If racism ever “went away,” a lot of people would be out of business. Always gotta keep the fires of outrage stoked.

  19. chc4 says:
    May 23, 2020 at 6:21 pm

    If league had 20 African american head coaches that still wouldn’t be enough for the quota folks. Spare me.
    —————————————————–
    Just wondering … orange combover and a spray tan?

  20. What’s next?? Hire black coordinators and get an extra 5 million on ur salary cap??? This is getting really stupid already..

  21. lks311 says:
    May 23, 2020 at 10:00 am

    Until there is black owner in the room with the others…sharing opinions, making decisions, holding the old boys ACCOUNTABLE…none of this will fundamentally change.
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    It will take way more than one or two for what you describe and I don’t think that would make a difference.They may already be members of the old boy club.When it comes to that kind of wealth money doesn’t care what color your skin is. The country club admissions committee may care, but their wallet won’t.

    Just look at some of the losers who have had membership in the professional sports owners old boy’s club and been tolerated.

  22. Herman is an elite leader of men… if only he could grasp that dastardly time management aspect of coaching what could have been

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