NFL, NFLPA remain where they were in 2018: Players have the right to kneel during the anthem

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It’s not news. It’s the status quo.

With the anthem controversy revitalized by the apparent softening of the NFL’s stance on kneeling during the anthem and the reiteration of the President’s viewpoint that only standing at attention (or something) is acceptable during the anthem, the league’s official position remains what it was in 2018: Players have the right to kneel.

The announcement came in 2018, after the NFL and NFL Players Association failed to reach an agreement that would revise the current league policy allowing players to kneel or otherwise not stand at attention during the anthem. In May of that year, the league announced via its in-house media arm that a “compromise” had been reached on the anthem issue, but the compromise was reached not between league and players but among owners.

The “compromise” was simple: Players on the sideline would stand for the anthem. Any players who wanted not to stand for the anthem would remain in the locker room.

The NFL apparently realized that it can’t unilaterally implement that change without union consent. In August 2018, the league announced that players would not be disciplined for conduct during the performance of the anthem. To date, the league has not made the kind of concession to secure an agreement by the NFLPA alter the current procedures.

So that’s the official rule. The question is whether teams will unconditionally honor it, or whether they will try, via heavy-handed tactics from owners or coaches, to cajole players into choosing to stand when they have the right to kneel or sit or raise a hand or do anything they choose to do.

106 responses to “NFL, NFLPA remain where they were in 2018: Players have the right to kneel during the anthem

  1. Stop playing the National Anthem at sporting events. Also stop with the flyovers. I’d rather they use the taxpayer money for training. A sporting event is not worthy of either event.

  2. So…in other words. A lot of talk by the league, but they cant walk the walk.

  3. Here, let me help you with the REAL Blog Title:

    “NFL, NFLPA remain where they were in 2018: Players have the right to kneel during the anthem”, but most owner’s, fans and Americans wish you wouldn’t and we will never ‘heal’ as a country as long as you do.”

  4. NFL sports entertainment shouldn’t be a patriotism test. Stop playing the United States national anthem at football games. There’s no reason for it.

  5. And I have a right to boycott everything NFL. The NFL will lose big-time on this. 88% of America is against this.

  6. Id rather we switch it up to the pledge of allegiance like in 4th grade.

  7. NFL will cave….Roger already said as much.

    It will now become more about kneeling/not kneeling than it will be about football.. Yay, can’t wait.

  8. Anyone who does not want to watch -your right. Go for it. It would be correctly described as a political boycott you are doing because of your beliefs. Fine.

    Anyone who does not want to support the right of the people to peacefully assemble and petition for the redress of grievences; well, too bad for you.

    Peace, Love, Out.

  9. I wish people cared as much about the President allowing 110,000 Americans die in three months as they do about someone kneeling during the National Anthem.

  10. If the NFL tries to limit the right of players to kneel, then I will boycott.

  11. They have a right to kneel. Fans have a right to boo. Owners have a right to cut. Simple.

  12. Kneel and I am done with the players and NFL and any other sport which condones this type of behavior. You don’t like it, I don’t care. My opinion and I don’t need your permission to express it !!!

  13. Some things are legal, but not advisable. Protesting during a funeral service, during a wedding ceremony, or during the National Anthem just seems like bad manners. Again, not suggesting that taking a knee should be illegal, but its just not “best practice.”

  14. bldmtm says:
    June 8, 2020 at 8:20 pm
    And I have the right not to watch or give up my hard earned money.

    Please exercise that right. The players could care less if you watch or not. Someone else will invariably take your place.

    The end of slavery, civil rights, gay marriage…the stubborn and insensitive are often swept up by history and re-write the narrative on which side they were on as they grow older. Step aside until we get this correct. Come back or not…few will care.

  15. The kneeling thing is so arbitrary. If the players turned their backs on the flag maybe that would be more powerful?

  16. I don’t know why the league doesn’t just institute what Dallas did, where they kneeled as a team before the anthem and then stood for the anthem. Perfect compromise. If they kneel during anthem, fans Will Walk

  17. What horrible timing for all of this as it will alienate a lot of fans and there will be a whole lot of empty seats this season, COVID-19 or not! The fans don’t want to hear this and the football field isn’t the place for it, those fans are paying their hard earned money to watch a game be played, not to hear the players air their grievances and all of this right before a new TV contract will be discussed, this is definately going to take a few billion out of the next TV deal, BANK IT!

    But when ticket sales do take a dive you can bet your last dollar they’ll blame it all on COVID-19!

    So much for that “BLANK CHECK” Florio was talking about the NFL being able to write just a couple of months ago and the cap going up $10-20mil every year, WOW how fast things can change!

    Yet this will be the greatest thing for fans that’s happened in >20yrs because as the seats sit empty ticket prices will have to come down to attract those fans back and the salary cap will also have to come down, the players won’t like it one bit but who cares as it’s a win-win for everyone else!

  18. The players better take notice of these comments and thumbs up or down, their paychecks depend on it!

  19. Trump should be telling the NFL how to run the show boys. Where’s our fearless leader at ???

  20. 2015: Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake released a report revealing that the Department of Defense had spent $6.8 million between 2012 and 2015 on what the senators called “paid patriotism” events before professional sports games, including American flag displays, honoring of military members, reenlistment ceremonies, etc. The DoD justified the money paid to 50 professional sports teams by calling it part of their recruiting strategy.

    Thus, the flag has been used in the NFL for advertising — in blatent violation of the US code of RESPECT FOR FLAG — 4 USC §8(i): “The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever.”

  21. Don’t get me wrong with this. I fully support the protest. At this point it would be foolish not to. But, with that said. Why???? It’s no longer to raise awareness. Who isn’t aware? Now it’s kneeling for the sake of rubbing it in. Now it’s “we were right, you were wrong, take that!” Nothing like a victory lap for the sake of showing up the “opposition”.

  22. When players kneel during the anthem, that makes it about the flag. Protesting should not be done in the workplace. I hope the cameras don’t show the players kneeling. If so, nobody will see them, due to no fans being at the games, if that happens.

  23. Why can’t we have a moment of silence and kneeling AFTER the National Anthem? Why does the movement have to be anymore controversial than it is? Then even Drew Brees and his wife can kneel.

  24. now everyone who doesn’t kneel is a racist. after all we heard it here, there’s no gray area, you must choose a side, you must think and “virtue signal” as I do or you are a horrible person no matter how we act in our day to day lives.

  25. The NFL abandoning Trump is the canary in the coal mine. Trump’s spell has been broken. People are tuning him out & moving on.

  26. No one kneeled and no one rioted when a Blackman threw a white boy off the balcony at The Mall of America IN MINNEAPOLIS. Fans will walk, is it right? I think so but I really don’t care if they kneel or not.

    Everyone has the right to express their opinion. Obviously everyone is jumping on the bandwagon because its thing to do. Very few social media platforms show real protesters for the cause and its a bunch of white kids taking selfie video so they feel like they are part of the cause, they go home to white privilage and dont’ have to deal with the fall out. They go back to their cushy lives while they real victims have to deal with it.

    Why wasn’t their any kneeling for all the young blackmen killing themselves by gun violence in Chicago, Obama didn’t even step in to help. There isn’t any kneeling for the countless children that have been killed by drive bys in the inner cities. But a white QB says how he feels about the flag, proud that his grandfathers served in WW II and everyone loses their freaking minds because people are too sensitive. What? People cannot have an opinion any more? They all wanna talk about slavery for the past 400 years and oppression, but fail to acknowledge 600,000 Union Soldiers gave their lives to abolish slavery. They do not want to acknowledge that. The 54th Regiment Memorial was vandalized, a tribute to blacks who served in the Union Army.

    Kap said it wasn’t about the flag from the beginning, they took what he said and twisted it to fit their agenda. Now its about the flag when it wasn’t about it in the first place? Can you see the hypocrisy here? If he would have said this a year ago, no one would have said anything.

    I’m all about change and it needs to happen but when the above that is mentioned, how can fans take it seriously? You cannot have not both ways and change the narrative as you go along with hypocrisy or self glorification. After all Drew Brees has done for the city of New Orleans and the Saints, If I were him…. Id drop the mic……. boom! Retire! He has nothing to prove hes a good man with a big heart and you all crapped on him.

  27. Gawd I’m so sick of this hyper patriotism and how one group believes they are more patriotic than another group. Get over yourselves. We are all patriots. Don’t like the kneeling? You know it’s coming so might as well stop posting here, turn off your TV and save your ticket money. Buh bye…

  28. Go ahead NFl, keep insulting your fans and spit on this country’s symbols of liberty and freedom and see where you are in 5-10 years. Problems in this country will always be here and are always solvable with common sense, but when you lose your fans and their money because of woke points and virtue signaling it’s impossible to get them back.

  29. Just remove the national anthem, if the players want to protest they can put their money where their mouths are and sit out the game and sacrifice their paycheck.

  30. I am waiting for all those season tickets to open up. Can’t wait. Been wanting tickets for a long time. Now I don’t have to sit by a bunch of racists when I go to the game.

  31. seahawkcritique says:
    June 8, 2020 at 11:00 pm
    2015: Senators John McCain and Jeff Flake

    If you tried, you couldn’t find two more disloyal Republicans. Seattle……smh

  32. Officially, players have a right to kneel during the anthem. Unofficially, no one has the right to not kneel during the anthem anymore, unless you want the Drew Brees treatment.

  33. danicafallsinlove says:
    June 8, 2020 at 11:30 pm

    600,000 Union Soldiers gave their lives to abolish slavery.
    ————–
    …making statements like this proves you have no credibility. Learn your history because it’s right behind you. And there are people that do know your history and will call you out for your ignorance.

  34. For all who don’t support the free speech of the players on the field by saying that they will not support the team or the league, get over yourself. Yes, you will. No one buries their fandom and if they do, they weren’t fans in the first place.

    And good riddance to the people who will “boycott” the league over freedom of speech. Seriously, go watch something else. Maybe the NBA??? Oh another league that stands with players. Maybe the MLB… a completely different sport which is filled with minorities as well and gives quite a bit of leeway to player individuality. Maybe Hockey, where you don’t know the rules and have protested as well… Or maybe MLS/PremierLeague/Soccer, a sport that you don’t watch anyways.

    Please, do what you need to do. But those of us who agree with the player protests will be laughing at you when you are watching every one of your team’s games. Get over yourselves. And to those who don’t… Once again… Good Riddance.

  35. love this lost count of people i see drinking beer during anthems. Do the people who say this stand at home. lol

  36. canetic says:
    June 8, 2020 at 9:15 pm

    I wish people cared as much about the President allowing 110,000 Americans die in three months as they do about someone kneeling during the National Anthem
    _______________________________________________

    Because it wasn’t the president, it was the awful leadership of the democratic governors, anyone with a any intelligence what so ever can see the difference between the red states and the blue states. If you can’t then I feel sorry for you

  37. You people who are so up in arms about keeling during the anthem…so when exactly do you pay your respects to flag? Most people do not attend games, so do you stand in front of your TV with your hand over your heart. Do you have a flag in your house? Do you pick a particular day to pay your respects? Didn’t think so to any of these. So, you are just as “bad” as the kneelers. Country full of hypocrites.

  38. So sick of deflection. Cops are killing unarmed blacks. Another recent killing in Texas.
    Stop bringing up Chicago. Those murderers did swear an oath to protect you, but the cops did!
    When you bring up Chicago, you reveal yourself as a racist and care nothing about this god awful issue.

  39. Why are all the people who swore they would never watch another NFL game or buy NFL memorabilia in 2016 still here? Did they not follow through on their threats?

    The problem is that there are more people online who are just here to stir up hate than there are people who will stop supporting the NFL if players kneel.

    The NFL has been king in ratings for a very long time and that isn’t changing in 2020.

  40. Let me get this straight. Guys who spend hours posting daily on a football blog are going to protest players kneeling by giving up watching football games??? Lol!!!! OK. Sure you are.

  41. Lol here it comes;

    Cancel culture is out of control, they are taking away our free speech!

    Black guy expresses free speech: I’m not watching NFL!!

    NOBODY CARES. The NFL and all other corporations have done the math, losing 1 high school grad making 34k a year, gains 2 college educated women making 80k+.

  42. Nothing like a 5 time draft dodging coward who loathes the military lecturing people about patriotism. Especially one who stole millions from his shame “charity for veterans”

  43. lks311 says:
    June 8, 2020 at 10:06 pm
    bldmtm says:
    June 8, 2020 at 8:20 pm
    And I have the right not to watch or give up my hard earned money.

    Please exercise that right. The players could care less if you watch or not. Someone else will invariably take your place.

    The end of slavery, civil rights, gay marriage…the stubborn and insensitive are often swept up by history and re-write the narrative on which side they were on as they grow older. Step aside until we get this correct. Come back or not…few will care.
    ——————————————
    That sounds all good and great but would you please provide references with factual information? I think it’s going to be hard to find because you won’t be able too!

  44. fissilemissile says:
    June 8, 2020 at 11:54 pm
    I am waiting for all those season tickets to open up. Can’t wait. Been wanting tickets for a long time. Now I don’t have to sit by a bunch of racists when I go to the game.
    ———————

    That’s what makes somebody racist? Ignorance is truly bliss. Do yourself a favor, learn how to think for yourself.

  45. June 8, 2020 at 10:06 pm
    bldmtm says:
    June 8, 2020 at 8:20 pm
    And I have the right not to watch or give up my hard earned money.

    Please exercise that right. The players could care less if you watch or not. Someone else will invariably take your place.

    The end of slavery, civil rights, gay marriage…the stubborn and insensitive are often swept up by history and re-write the narrative on which side they were on as they grow older. Step aside until we get this correct. Come back or not…few will care.
    ——————————————
    That sounds all good and great but would you please provide references with factual information? I think it’s going to be hard to find because you won’t be able too!
    ——————————————-

    Furthermore – how did slavery come to an end? Check the history.

  46. SFfootballfan says:
    June 8, 2020 at 8:22 pm
    And I have a right to boycott anything to do with the NFL.
    ————————————————————

    Yes you do, and you can thank the United States Constitution for that fact. I am not sure if you have heard of the Constitution, as it is painfully clear that our current president, and the overwhelming majority of members of his party, know nothing about the Constitution, beyond trivial knowledge of the second amendment, which is not actually the particular amendment that gives you the right to “boycott anything to do with the NFL.”

  47. Liberals are freaking out and keep trying to justify disrespecting the flag. It’s because they know they’re a minority in this country. But I really don’t care about the liberals at all. They care only about being disrespectful and destructive and hypocritical and wonder why they gain no sympathy.

    This country for a brief second was unified on something: the murder of George Floyd. But then liberals do what they do best, turn it away from that incident and exploit it with their own self interest: being menaces to society.

    Then these players exploit it by talking about Colin Kapernix, who is no hero except to the gullible. Now, there’s white people taking knees to black people (idolatrous). And blacks trying to disband the police.

    So, go ahead NFL and make a bad business decision and bow to the bullies. You will lose in the end when 88% ignores your product and fine that their lives are the better for it. We’re the ones who can consistently afford to go to games. The league will be bankrupt.

    Libs are going to lose… again. It’s just a matter of who loses with them.

  48. Of course they have that “right”.
    Last I checked this was still America.

  49. canetic says:
    June 8, 2020 at 9:15 pm

    I wish people cared as much about the President allowing 110,000 Americans die in three months as they do about someone kneeling during the National Anthem

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    And Obama allowed more than that to die of H1N1 because for six months he was out playing golf.

    And as already stated, the president acted and was called a racist (typical lib response). Besides, not all of that 110,000 was due to that virus. Right NY and NJ?

  50. Usually Right says:
    June 9, 2020 at 8:45 am
    ————
    Furthermore – how did slavery come to an end?
    —————————

    Trick question. The correct answer is slavery has not come to an end.

  51. I wish discourse in this country could get away from the divisive “all or nothing” that we’ve been led into by our politicians over the last few decades.

    We can believe different things and still find common ground. We don’t have to be spitting angry about every issue. We should, as adults, be able to accept that not everyone feels the same about everything – and we should expose ourselves to differing viewpoints and be open-minded enough to at least consider where the other side is coming from. And maybe recognize where we’re wrong or misguided.

    I am against the systemic racism inherent in our policing mechanisms. I am for protests against that. I am against fetishizing patriotism and the flag (a symbol of freedom, not a holy relic) to the point that rights are taken away from others.

    Ah, but those against protesting during the anthem are also exercising their rights! Exactly! It can’t be all-or-nothing. We all make our own choices and have our own beliefs – and having those differences does not mean that we have to completely dismiss, or hate, those with differing beliefs.

  52. I love standing for the anthem. But the fact that you do or don’t stand doesn’t change my feelings of patriotism. I also know I’m a 51 year old white guy that hasn’t feared for his life from police.
    I’ve been to plenty of NFL games and been in the concourse when the anthem is played. People are still buying beer and hotdogs or taking a leak. People are still talking. Should those things stop during the anthem? For any televised games that show the anthem, are we supposed to get off our couches and stand?

  53. I reserve the right to shun watching the miscreants squat during the playing of the National Anthem. Yes, it is disrespectful to do this during the playing of the National Anthem regardless that you redefine it into the dishonest campaign you have invented.

    I don’t ask much of an NFL player – do your job, stand for the anthem, and don’t take selfies during the game.

  54. whywerule says:
    June 9, 2020 at 9:14 am
    Usually Right says:
    June 9, 2020 at 8:45 am
    ————
    Furthermore – how did slavery come to an end?
    —————————

    Trick question. The correct answer is slavery has not come to an end.

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    Legal slavery in this country. Yes it has come to an end. Unless your woke apparently

  55. Imagine if we had the Olympics this year, and medalists would knee during the anthem. I’m almost happy it didnt happen this year

  56. Define hypocrisy.
    When you fight for and defend your “right” to fly the Confederate flag, but think kneeling during the anthem as a protest is an unforgivable demonstration against patriotism and unity.

  57. 8 million Jehovah’s witnesses don’t salute the flag.
    200,000 Amish don’t stand for the national anthem.
    One black man kneels peacefully in protest and all hell breaks loose.

    Now you see why he’s kneeling.

  58. Racism is so rampant in American culture that when you protest against it, people just assume you’re protesting America.

  59. If you believe a black man kneeling to peacefully protest racism dishonors veterans, but a President stealing $2.8 million in charity contributions for veterans doesn’t, then maybe you need to stop pretending that this is about patriotism.

  60. I remember when this all started and the know-it-alls laughed when fans said they’d stop watching. Then, when the ratings fell and the stadiums had less and less fans, the denial was laughable. It was because of the weather, the election, the internet. I stopped watching and then slowly got pulled back in when I thought the NFL got their act together. I learned there is actually a nice life without the NFL. Do it again and I won’t be coming back.

  61. Many of the posters complaining about players kneeling for the anthem totally accept the police beating and murdering innocent black people.the fact is players have as much a Constitutional right to kneel as the complaining fans have to own and carry guns in America.it isnt about respecting the flag,players do,its about injustice by the police nationwide and the way to fix it.

  62. How long before post-game, on field player prayer groups are abolished?……..

  63. I love the “I wont watch”…”my sundays will be free”….”cancelling my tickets” folks….yeah ok……Just like their Demi-God President they will say absolutely anything in the moment…no matter how distant from the truth it is…if it sounds good, say it! lmaoooo

  64. “Don’t get me wrong with this. I fully support the protest. At this point it would be foolish not to. But, with that said. Why???? It’s no longer to raise awareness. Who isn’t aware? Now it’s kneeling for the sake of rubbing it in. Now it’s “we were right, you were wrong, take that!” Nothing like a victory lap for the sake of showing up the “opposition”.”

    Well said. You won the internet today.

  65. beezee96740 says:
    June 8, 2020 at 9:13 pm
    Anyone who does not want to watch -your right. Go for it. It would be correctly described as a political boycott you are doing because of your beliefs. Fine.

    Anyone who does not want to support the right of the people to peacefully assemble and petition for the redress of grievences; well, too bad for you.

    Peace, Love, Out.

    54 79

    The number in the voting indicates Americans would rather give up their rights or deny others their rights under the constitution than give up their racism.

  66. Let’s just piss everyone off. Start protesting in catholic.protestant.babtist churches, synagogues, temple anywhere where people gather and respect what they believe in Then we all can be united in disrespect. Or now that everyone sees it and believes in the movement and are joining together as one we can stand for the flag and keep everyone united.

  67. FoozieGrooler says:
    June 9, 2020 at 10:05 am
    8 million Jehovah’s witnesses don’t salute the flag.
    200,000 Amish don’t stand for the national anthem.
    One black man kneels peacefully in protest and all hell breaks loose.

    Now you see why he’s kneeling.

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    Jehovah’s witnesses and the Amish don’t attend sporting events, genius.

  68. “Legal slavery in this country. Yes it has come to an end. Unless your woke apparently”

    Unless one breaks the law and end up in prison….where those degenerates disrespecting and rioting belong.

  69. I remember being at a game in 2017: during the anthem a guy in a “support the troops” shirt was being refused service in the beer line for already being so wasted. After screaming racial slurs at a few employees, he stumbled away eventually falling into and knocking over a garbage can.

    That was his right as an American, just as it’s the players rights as Americans to kneel.

  70. Scottie Pimpin says:
    June 9, 2020 at 10:49 am
    I love the “I wont watch”…”my sundays will be free”….”cancelling my tickets” folks….yeah ok……Just like their Demi-God President they will say absolutely anything in the moment…no matter how distant from the truth it is…if it sounds good, say it! lmaoooo

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    And after Nov. 3rd, when Trump is re-elected and the Dems lose the house and we keep the Senate, then all of the desire to kneel will fade away. Until 2024, when y’all try to manufacture another big “awareness” event.

  71. ill42 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 11:31 am
    I remember being at a game in 2017: during the anthem a guy in a “support the troops” shirt was being refused service in the beer line for already being so wasted. After screaming racial slurs at a few employees, he stumbled away eventually falling into and knocking over a garbage can.

    That was his right as an American, just as it’s the players rights as Americans to kneel.

    ++++++++++++

    Big, if true…

  72. The NFL never said they would showcase the protesting, only that players can do it. They will continue to not show it on television because the last time they did, the ratings took a hit, so they know better this time around.

  73. Then stop calling it the NATIONAL Football League! If they can’t respect the NATION that has given them all such amazing opportunity, then they need a name change. PFL – Pro Football League.

    You don’t want the NFL to be an American entity? Then get America out of the NFL. Stop trying to capitalize on fans’ sense of national pride with a name like the NFL and sub-titles like the NFC and AFC.

  74. Upthread, a post included numbers of soldiers who died in the Civil War fighting to end slavery.
    Someone criticized that post.

    Here are the numbers, for those that are interested:

    an estimated 620,000 men, lost their lives in the line of duty

    Civil War Service by Region

    South
    Served: 591,000
    Killed, wounded, captured or missing: 490,00

    North
    Served: 1,532,278
    Killed, wounded, captured or missing: 596,670

    source: battlefields.org

    So, the original poster was mostly correct, assuming they were referencing only the northern troops who died fighting.
    The total number–for both sides–who were killed, wounded, captured or missing is around 1,086,670

  75. another poster with an egregiously false claim:
    “And Obama allowed more than that to die of H1N1 because for six months he was out playing golf.”
    WRONG!

    – The Obama administration declared swine flu, or H1N1, a public health emergency six weeks before it was declared a pandemic by the WHO.
    – At the time, no H1N1 deaths had yet been recorded in the United States.
    – Six months after that initial declaration, when more than 1,000 deaths had occurred, Obama himself declared H1N1 a national emergency.
    – The total number of deaths from H1N1 was: 12,300
    – The current number of deaths from Covid-19, as of today is: 110,375 Source: CDC.gov
    source: Politifact

  76. ringheadcrusher says:
    June 9, 2020 at 1:22 pm

    Then stop calling it the NATIONAL Football League! If they can’t respect the NATION that has given them all such amazing opportunity, then they need a name change. PFL – Pro Football League.

    You don’t want the NFL to be an American entity? Then get America out of the NFL. Stop trying to capitalize on fans’ sense of national pride with a name like the NFL and sub-titles like the NFC and AFC.

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    The NFL has made more millionaires than any other single company in history. To insinuate the NFL doesn’t care or doesn’t support Americans is ridiculous and flat out wrong. They have allowed kneeling and other peaceful protests for years. Your post is wildly misguided.

  77. Kneeling has nothing to do with the flag or patriotism, despite what the President “trumped” up as yet another divisive diversion. This is about equality (or lack thereof) under the law. Idle threats of fan exodus are few and will dissolve once the pads are on.

  78. 38 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2015. 9 unarmed black men were shot and killed by police in 2019. One is too many but…what happened? Why was it significantly improving?

  79. Otto Graham’s Lip Rip says:
    June 9, 2020 at 2:01 pm
    Kneeling has nothing to do with the flag or patriotism, despite what the President “trumped” up as yet another divisive diversion. This is about equality (or lack thereof) under the law. Idle threats of fan exodus are few and will dissolve once the pads are on.

    If it has nothing to do with the flag, then why protest in front of the flag, during the anthem as tens of thousands throughout the stadium are standing?

  80. SaintsGotRobbed says:
    June 9, 2020 at 2:14 pm
    Otto Graham’s Lip Rip says:
    June 9, 2020 at 2:01 pm
    Kneeling has nothing to do with the flag or patriotism, despite what the President “trumped” up as yet another divisive diversion. This is about equality (or lack thereof) under the law. Idle threats of fan exodus are few and will dissolve once the pads are on.

    If it has nothing to do with the flag, then why protest in front of the flag, during the anthem as tens of thousands throughout the stadium are standing?

    Different for every person, which is what makes America Great. Examples might include Respect, Courtesy, Peer Pressure. Dissent and therefore protest is quintessentially American and patriotic, and is guaranteed by the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law … prohibiting … the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” Players kneeling is a peaceable assembly with the intent for redress.

  81. Otto Graham’s Lip Rip says:
    June 9, 2020 at 2:37 pm
    SaintsGotRobbed says:
    June 9, 2020 at 2:14 pm
    Otto Graham’s Lip Rip says:
    June 9, 2020 at 2:01 pm
    Kneeling has nothing to do with the flag or patriotism, despite what the President “trumped” up as yet another divisive diversion. This is about equality (or lack thereof) under the law. Idle threats of fan exodus are few and will dissolve once the pads are on.

    If it has nothing to do with the flag, then why protest in front of the flag, during the anthem as tens of thousands throughout the stadium are standing?

    Different for every person, which is what makes America Great. Examples might include Respect, Courtesy, Peer Pressure. Dissent and therefore protest is quintessentially American and patriotic, and is guaranteed by the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law … prohibiting … the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” Players kneeling is a peaceable assembly with the intent for redress.

    Agree 100%! Peaceful protest is a hallmark of freedom and liberty. I just think it’s a bit confusing to hear people say ‘it’s not about the flag’. It is indeed about the flag and the anthem. If not, kneel during the coin toss. That’s my point. It becomes all about the flag when the employees (players) of private organizations (the 32 clubs) use their platform to peacefully protest in front of the flag and during the anthem but then say it’s not about the flag. Silly, no? And by the way, it’s not as if protesting in front of the flag is not protected because it certainly is. It’s just going to piss a whole lot of people off…again. Standing for the anthem is simply about respect just as it is when a bailiff says ‘all rise’ when the judge walks in. Wonder if anyone, defendant/plaintiff or just a person in the courtroom would kneel in that moment.

  82. Otto Graham’s Lip Rip says:
    June 9, 2020 at 2:01 pm
    Kneeling has nothing to do with the flag or patriotism, despite what the President “trumped” up as yet another divisive diversion. This is about equality (or lack thereof) under the law. Idle threats of fan exodus are few and will dissolve once the pads are on.

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    False. Kaepernick invoked the flag in his original statement.“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.” Kaepernick made it about the flag by demonstrating during the Anthem and by his statements.

    Let’s not forget that he sued the NFL claiming that teams colluded to prevent him from getting signed to a team. He then settled with them, agreeing to not reveal any of the “damning” evidence against supposedly racist team owners that colluded. So not only is he despicable but he is also a full on sell out to his own cause, because there never was one to begin with.

  83. emann99 gets just about everything wrong. One wonders; is this intentional, or the result of bad information?

  84. unckleruckus says:
    June 9, 2020 at 7:34 am
    Let me get this straight. Guys who spend hours posting daily on a football blog are going to protest players kneeling by giving up watching football games??? Lol!!!! OK. Sure you are.

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    We’re posting here because this is a political issue and unlike Drew Brees, we’re going to take a stand against your taking a knee. Your agenda is wicked and will not prevail.

    A protest is about raising awareness. What you people are doing is just making folks not give a damn about your issue, because you ignore the bigger issues in your communities. Until then, you gain zero sympathy and no one wants to be around you all. This includes over 40% of your community that supports Trump.

    In short, ours voices are now raised and our pocketbooks shut.

    You kneel! We walk!

    T-shirts already available.

  85. I find it funny that people are threatening to boycott the NFL if players kneel. No one cares about you. People will still watch in large numbers, especially those who gamble on games or play fantasy football. I plan to. And I’m a Iraq war veteran who was stationed at FOB Speicher. Which brings me to my next point. The flag doesn’t represent soldiers or veterans. It represents ideals that we as a country should aspire to. Sadly, it hasn’t worked out that way. Next time people complain, complain about the suicide rate in the veteran community. Complain about how our has failed to support them after coming home from war. If you don’t, then you have your priorities wrong, or are a racist

  86. I find it funny that people are threatening to boycott the NFL if players kneel. No one cares about you. People will still watch in large numbers, especially those who gamble on games or play fantasy football. I plan to. And I’m a Iraq war veteran who was stationed at FOB Speicher. Which brings me to my next point. The flag doesn’t represent soldiers or veterans. It represents ideals that we as a country should aspire to. Sadly, it hasn’t worked out that way. Next time people complain, complain about the suicide rate in the veteran community. Complain about how our country has failed to support them after coming home from war. If you don’t, then you have your priorities wrong, or are a racist

  87. Wanna know what’s really disrespectful? Having your daddy buy you a B.S. medical diagnosis for fake bone spurs so some other kid can go to Vietnam in your place. Like my brother who I buried last year after he died from lung cancer due to agent orange poisoning. Now that’s disrespectful to not just the flag but the military in general.

  88. raymondmac says:
    June 9, 2020 at 3:36 pm
    emann99 gets just about everything wrong. One wonders; is this intentional, or the result of bad information?

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    Huh? Yet you refuted nothing that was said? Everything I said was absolutely factual.

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