Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins urge Clemson to stop honoring slavery advocate John Calhoun

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Two of the NFL’s biggest stars are telling their alma mater to get a symbol of slavery off campus.

Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson and Cardinals wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins, who both played at Clemson, want the school to stop honoring former Vice President John C. Calhoun, who was a slave owner and staunch defender of slavery. Calhoun’s son-in-law was Thomas Green Clemson, founder of the university, and the college campus in South Carolina is on the site of Calhoun’s Fort Hill plantation.

“Clemson University should not honor slave owner John C. Calhoun in any way,” Watson wrote on Twitter. “His name should be removed from all University property and programming. I am joining the students, faculty & DeAndre to restart this petition to rename the Calhoun Honors College.”

Hopkins wrote a longer post on Instagram.

“As we watch everything happening in the world, I want to bring up something that has been bothering me for a long time in my community,” Hopkins wrote. “Clemson University still honors the name of well known slave owner and pro-slavery politician John C. Calhoun on its buildings, signs, and in the name of its honors program. I felt this oppressive figure during my time at Clemson and purposely do not mention the University’s name before NFL games because of it. I am joining the voices of the students and faculty who have restarted this petition to rename the Calhoun Honors College.”

Calhoun was not only a slave owner but one of America’s fiercest advocates of slavery for many years, and a man who gave an infamous Senate speech that referred to slavery as a “positive good.” In 2017 Yale University took his name off its Calhoun College.

110 responses to “Deshaun Watson, DeAndre Hopkins urge Clemson to stop honoring slavery advocate John Calhoun

  1. I’m totally not shocked. This post like others will probably be pulled but America’s view of history is biased.

    Christopher Columbus has never stepped foot in this country but a holiday is celebrated. George Washington and many Presidents have owned hundreds of slaves but they’re honored.

    We must wake up.

  2. Did any of these players have an issue when Antonio brown called mike mayock a racial name? I don’t recall a peep out of any of them. Or was that a different scenario so it doesn’t count?

  3. Should be more grateful for the free college they got instead of coming back and acting like they can dictate what they can do. Just because you don’t like certain aspects history, doesn’t mean you can try to erase it.

  4. Should we scrap the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America as well? After all, they were written by slave holders. (Jefferson & Madison) So was the father of our country, George Washington. Perhaps we just disband our country as a whole since the majority of its founding fathers were save holders. Lets just start over since we don’t like our past…
    You can’t re-write history, it is part of us, it is what made us. You don’t have to like it, or repeat it – you learn from it, move on and improve. You can’t look back and demonize a past society because its values are out of touch and judged unjust in modern times.
    Clemson was a good enough school for these two individuals to attend and get one of the best educations in the world – for free as scholarship students. Clemson’s football program was good enough to get them into the NFL and make them millionaires and celebrity athletes, but all of a sudden now, none of that matters. It sounds hypocritical and and lacks gratitude and perspective.
    I am all for equality and eliminating police brutality against any specific group in our society. But let’s pump the brakes a bit and be realistic about it. You can’t rewrite history – if you don’t like Clemson due to the fact that it was founded by a slave holder – than don’t attend the university. Go somewhere else. You see, you have a choice. The founding fathers gave that to you through great sacrifice. Yes, those same slave owners…

  5. How long will it be until there are calls to take down statues of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. ? King was a great man in civil rights, yet he was also a Baptist Minister and Anti-Gay. Is it possible that he was human and had faults like everyone? Can we assume that he would have evolved and changed his views had he lived longer ? Would other people change if they were alive today ? Should people of the past be judged by today’s standards instead of what was acceptable at that time ?

  6. While I agree that we should not be honoring the past advocates for slavery, and we should remove them, maybe these athlete should boycott all the Southern Schools until further notice…a lot of them have some sort of checkered past when it comes to racism. Maybe attend a different school until then? But…But…But it’s the SEC!!! Give me a break.

  7. There’s an 80′ statue of John C. Calhoun in Charleston. Actually, Calhoun’s name is all over Charleston.

    Things like this just somehow seem stranger now. It’s ridiculous that SC celebrates a former slave owner. Why? Because he was the 7th Vice President of the United States? I’m sure we can do better.

  8. You can’t erase history no matter how bad it is….Football has a very bleak future

  9. Why isn’t there a date in the article to tell us when he was even alive and give us perspective?

    George Washington owned slaves his whole life starting when he inherited some at age 10, and Calhoun was VP in 1825, just a little after Washington’s death. Should we take Washington’s name and face off of everything too? Where do we stop? Its unfortunate Calhoun was a staunch supporter of slavery but so were a lot of people in that time,
    pretty much all the names we know. And even a committee headed by John Kennedy voted Calhoun in the top five greatest senators ever.

    Pretty much anyone famous that we know of from back then were unfortunately supporters of slavery, and we can’t just forget them all. If people feel better to not have buildings honouring one of the more outspoken and influential ones then that’s fine, and it may even be for the best, but it doesn’t change our country’s past, when we should be looking to change our country’s future.

  10. During his lifetime and after, Calhoun was seen as one of the Senate’s most important figures. In 1957, a Senate committee chaired by John F. Kennedy selected Calhoun as one of the five greatest United States senators in history.

  11. I support the current movement but this is setting a dangerous precident. If you go back far enough in this country you are going to find slave owners. Guess what, it wasn’t just the southern states either. By attempting to erase the past you aren’t changing history. Watson and Hopkins should be doing their part for people of the present and future generations. I am for the record condemning slavery but those times, slavery was extremely common. Doesn’t make it right though. I respect Hopkins feelings that he doesn’t mention the university’s name that’s his God given American right. Hopkins did get a free ride to this school which launched him to be a multi millionaire. If it makes him feel better and Calhoun is the bigot Hopkins thinks he most likely was, then I bet it would’ve angered him pretty good that Hopkins is a success today going through his school. In the meantime, there are many more social justice pursuits worthy of Hopkins time than this.

  12. George Washington and his family were some of the biggest slave owners in Virginia! Let’s tarnish great mens legacy’s because they weren’t perfect slavery was part of the world not just American all country’s have had or still have slaves. The usa isn’t perfect but they are the force on this planet for greater good.

  13. Political bullies, any historic relic they are to resent society has to remove it. Forgot get about history ??? They even attack Abe Lincoln !!

  14. Here it comes and its LONG overdue…The south and it’s reverence to slave trading, soul- crushing, historical figures. Its going to be a banner 5-10 years for anyone in construction / demolition. Racism it not an inate behavior…it is learned. Tear it all down and stop purveying the hate. Sickening, just sickening

  15. Hard to argue with Watson and Hopkins on this one. It’s important to address both good and bad history in the books, but monuments of any kind should not honor those on the wrong side of that history.

  16. Amazing how behind the times some of these places in the South are. I grew up in rural TN. Still so many things with Nathaniel B Forests name on them.

  17. The south has an entire culture built on these ‘heroes’. Lived in the SE for years and can’t tell you how many arguments I had with people when I called the ‘southern heroes‘ racist anti-American traitors that attempted to destroy a nation over their own corrupt morales.

  18. Funny how all the “im quitting NFL” croud has an account they created to post on a NFL news website.

    I shall cut off my nose to spite my face!

  19. Alick, a slave owned by Colhoun, was whipped 30 times to teach him a lesson and Colhoun’s ideology was a driving force of a Civil War. Yet modern day powerful men and institutions like Yale, Clemson and JFK still honoured him. Incredible.

  20. Come on. Twelve years ago Obama was opposed to gay marriage. Should we start taking down his statues already? Stop scrubbing history and learn from it instead.

  21. At that very same moment when Clemson abolishes its history, please recall all US one dollar bills, and replace them with bills without the slave owner George Washington.

  22. cookerduff123 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 7:52 am
    Hard to argue with Watson and Hopkins on this one. It’s important to address both good and bad history in the books, but monuments of any kind should not honor those on the wrong side of that history. Where were these views before they attended said university?

  23. “Why’d you go to school there then Deshaun?”

    Seriously? Let’s see…scholarship (free college education) and the opportunity to advance your career and create generational wealth for your family…

    Or protest.

    It’s not safe to assume that every black/brown person could simply “play up north.” A) there aren’t that many roster spots. B) It’s not like non-southern schools don’t exhibit or didn’t play some role in injustice, C) it’s incumbent on the school that is honoring former slave owners and confederates to change: they are in the wrong; D) having played there give DeShaun some voice. Do you think Clemson would care today if Marcus Mariotta (Oregon) said anything? Now Deshaun – who is part of the lore – can have agency.

  24. -You sure didn’t mind taking the scholarship to Clemson though, did you?

    -Then why did you attend the university?

    ________________________________________________

    Yet we don’t mind living in a country that was stolen from the natives, right?

    Get real.

  25. I agree with not honoring past slave owners and slave advocates 110%. But did it bother both of them when they accepted a scholarship to play there? And if it did bother them, they could have have made a great statement telling the country you both will not play there because they honor slave owners and slave advocates. But now you both are sounding like you sold out to play there.

  26. The hypocrisy of Hopkins is so blatant it’s staggering. He didn’t have a big enough issue to not take their scholarship. America’s history is just that, HISTORY. The good and bad is what it is. Stop with trying to erase what America was and focus on what it can become. The media won’t help with that as they are the vehicles for strife, unrest and lawlessness.

  27. sewalters79 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 7:15 am
    You can’t erase history no matter how bad it is….Football has a very bleak future
    ——————————
    Wisest words said during all this craziness.
    But they’ll fall on deaf ears.

  28. staff2cj says:
    June 9, 2020 at 8:50 am
    The hypocrisy of America. I know right the usa is so terrible but nobody leaves!

  29. It is not erasing history to slow down the degree to which you HONOR people in the past who were not particularly good people.

    Put the statues of confederate generals in museums rather than having them as the centerpiece on public greens.

  30. After establishing his farm in Long Canes, Patrick Calhoun purchased an enslaved African-American male in Charleston whom he named Adam. Adam was one of the first slaves brought into the Piedmont of South Carolina. Patrick Calhoun would eventually own 30 more slaves.

  31. Stop with the “you can’t rewrite” history argument. This isn’t rewriting history; it’s choosing not to celebrate the nefarious aspects of it.

  32. Did the black players tell Obama and Clinton to quit honoring Senator KKK byrd of west virginia?

  33. Be careful judging people of the past by morals and values of today, you may not like how history views you.

  34. Unreal I cannot believe what I am witnessing in this country. History is History either right or wrong it is what it is. If it was wrong we learn from it and move forward. The very men that helped lay the foundation for this country are now being a target from what I am reading. This all started because of a group of bad cops who have been arrested. Now all cops are being targeted as being not trustworthy. Some are being killed and hit with bricks trying to keep our streets safe. Sad!! Those people put their lives on the line every day for all of us. For those holding up signs Defund the Police. Who are you going to call when you need help because of something happen to you or someone in your family? If that was to pass!

  35. This mindset is bogus. These clowns are mad about a university named after because he owned slaves yet they had no problem representing that University when they were paid to do so via scholarships. Did they suddenly become enlightened? Nope. They see the crowd stirring and want some cred. They are shysters as are MOST of the people promoting this ridiculous movement. There is no systemic racism. That is a myth that is put out there by race-baiting manipulators who profit from the carnage and turmoil. People are either too stupid to research or too scared to stand up to the mob of morons who will label them a racist with out regard to fact or truth. I don’t care about anybody’s desire for “social justice” when they do not seek justice at all. They are hypocrites and often are the very racists they claim to abhor because they view minorities as inferior and require help from the virtue signaling SJWs. People do need to wake up, but not to the lies they are being fed by the media, tech giants and idiots.

  36. iowamiah says:
    June 9, 2020 at 6:58 am
    While I agree that we should not be honoring the past advocates for slavery, and we should remove them, maybe these athlete should boycott all the Southern Schools until further notice…a lot of them have some sort of checkered past when it comes to racism. Maybe attend a different school until then? But…But…But it’s the SEC!!! Give me a break.
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    Clemson is in the ACC, not the SEC.

  37. The largest lake in Minneapolis had for 200 years been named Lake Calhoun, simply because he commissioned surveyors to the area. It remained named after him despite his being a southern politician with no ties to the area, against the north in the civil war, and a racist who defended slavery. The name was finally changed back to its Native American name last year, after a couple years of legal battles over whether the park board had the authority to change the name.

  38. Wow I’m pretty shocked and appalled at how many of the first commenters here have no problem honoring people who should NEVER have been honored.

    “You can’t re-write history, it is part of us, it is what made us. You don’t have to like it, or repeat it – you learn from it, move on and improve.”

    Discontinue honoring slave owners IS improvement! That IS learning. Now that we know this guy was a POS, we correctly take his name down. Get with the times, your white privelege “poor me” attitude is DISGUSTING!

  39. Why is it the case that African-Americans are told to leave history behind while other group implore others to “Never Forget”?

  40. mrf47 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 9:12 am
    Stop with the “you can’t rewrite” history argument. This isn’t rewriting history; it’s choosing not to celebrate the nefarious aspects of it.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Cite one example of where John C Calhoun or Clemson is celebrated for slavery. Can you find a country or head of state that existed back then who did not utilize slaves in one form or another? Same goes for the “we stole the land from the native americans” argument. That has happened throughout history. Countries are formed, fighting ensues, land is taken and so on. It has happened literally everywhere but the only people unaware of that seem to be simple-minded guilt-ridden USA haters looking to feel better about themselves at the expense of reality and truth.

  41. I read the rest of the posts. You people are disgusting! All of you who think we should just leave these racist, hateful american figures up are exactly the problem that America is trying to fix. Stop defending these horrible people who NEVER should have been honored! Just sickening.

  42. I believe its very important to know ones history, BOTH good & bad…. understand it, learn from it & those that don’t are bound to make the same mistakes yet again…..is America flawed, YES, without a doubt… is it still the greatest place to live…..I believe so…..The CHANGES we need to make is in LIMITING the terms of people elected to positions of power in all branches of government & the judicial system…. ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY….if we truly want change it has to start there…..i believe many politicians start with good intentions but lose their way & perspectives over a period of time thru lobbyist & corrupt businesses that throw money at them & buy their loyalty & further corrupt the government that is supposed to be working to protect & enhance the country as a whole….. checks & balances need to be revisited & improved to prevent these issues from ongoing deterioration…..
    the hypocrisy in our government is atrocious!!!!! & unfortunately it filters down into all levels of both State & local representation…..

  43. So they chose to go to school there and then when they’re done they want to change it, how nice.

    This reminds me of years ago when only Catholics could send their kids to Catholic School, Non-Catholics wanted to send their kids there too because it was a much better school system than the Public School System, so they complained that it was prejudice and had the law changed so they could send their kids there.

    Guess what they did after that, they said prayers in the school should be banned.

    The quality of the school system then went downhill as expected.

  44. After recent events unfolded, I have become aware that racism is mush stronger in America than I had previously (naievely) thought. It is sad and ridiculous. I understand the point being made in other posts about it being our history good or bad etc. Normally, that would be my viewpoint as well, but I think it might be a good idea to start taking down confederate flags and statues of the most grievous symbols of slavery if only to help give everyone a jolt and promote a realization that that is a part of our history we should all be ashamed of. It can only help force more awareness and ultimately lead to a better society for our children…

  45. This all started because of a group of bad cops who have been arrested. Now all cops are being targeted as being not trustworthy. Some are being killed and hit with bricks trying to keep our streets safe. Sad!! Those people put their lives on the line every day for all of us. For those holding up signs Defund the Police. Who are you going to call when you need help because of something happen to you or someone in your family? If that was to pass!

  46. I meant to add a comment to the post above which I copied and pasted then hit enter accidentally. My comment is: A better approach is to abolish the police unions. Police unions are responsible for bad cops staying employed, armed and on the streets. This gives good cops a bad name. We are unable to get rid of bad cops and they know it. There is no good reason for government workers to be unionized. They are institutions that are in place to hurt the taxpaying citizens.

  47. It’s history. It’s a reminder. If it bothers, go to another school. This is truly becoming absurd.

  48. The hypocrisy in his their statements are priceless….
    Going to a college YOU KNOW was established by a slave owner in order to get a free education & the potential to make millions of dollars then once that happens to condemn it for being so….so NOW you’re offended & disgusted??!! Oh the IRONY….
    Americas OFFENSIVENESS goes back way beyond slavery…..but times were different then…. we have grown & learned from our mistakes & improved in so many ways…. perfect… FAR FROM IT…. we are still learning but it’s important to never forget the past or risk repeating those mistakes….

  49. godnollid16 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 7:27 am
    Pretty much anyone famous that we know of from back then were unfortunately supporters of slavery…
    ……
    Not true, for example John Adams and hoard slavery and would not even allow a slave in this house.

  50. painkiller20 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 6:06 am
    Did any of these players have an issue when Antonio brown called mike mayock a racial name? I don’t recall a peep out of any of them. Or was that a different scenario so it doesn’t count?

    ====================

    A good question: “was that a different scenario?”

    Yes, it was a very different scenario. Clemson is a large public university. Because of that, it is of interest to the people of South Carolina (who directly fund), the people of the US (who also fund it through its nonprofit tax status, research grants, and financial assistance provided to students that funds the university), and its alumni. On the other hand, Antonio Brown is am individual person who works (or used to work) in the private sector and has never held public office. Antonio Brown has done a lot of awful things in his life, and I wouldn’t want him on a team I pleayed on or coached. Brown has received lots of well deserved criticism. But the Steelers aren’t responsible for his conduct (they even got rid of him). The NFL isn’t responsible for his conduct. Black, white, Asian, Latino, and any other group of Americans aren’t responsible for his conduct. No white people or black people os Asian people or Latino people elected Antonio Brown to represent them.

    Why are DeAndre Hopkins, Deshaun Watson, or any other NFL players responsible for Antonio Brown? Is Odell Beckham or Ezekiel Elliott or Tom Brady or Rob Gronkowski responsible for Antonio Brown?

  51. Educate about history, don’t erase it. We all know the saying, “if we don’t learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it.” Let the students know all of it. if they are too weak t handle, maybe a free society is not the place for them and it is time to move to a country where free thought is not permitted at all.

  52. Here’s the bottom line, if you have never been denied a job, never denied a loan, never been harassed or abused all based on the color of your skin, YOU DON’T GET AN OPINION. Shut up!

  53. Brian Grayson says:
    June 9, 2020 at 11:06 am
    Educate about history, don’t erase it. We all know the saying, “if we don’t learn from our history, we are doomed to repeat it.” Let the students know all of it. if they are too weak t handle, maybe a free society is not the place for them and it is time to move to a country where free thought is not permitted at all.
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    Educating and honoring are two VERY different things. These people want to continue to honor these racist, rebel symbols. Like another commenter said – put them in a museum. That’s where you go to learn about history. Keeping statues and flags out in public is honoring them. The south needs to stop clinging to the past. All of society grows and changes, that’s the way of life. Learn, improve, admit mistakes, correct them, and move on.

  54. raidernation210 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 5:59 am
    Then why did you attend the university?

    ================
    EXACTLY’ My wife and my very first thought. You went for free and it’s a powerhouse. Who do you think founded most of the colleges. Anyone want to guess who founded Washington and Lee? Hamilton College? Good grief. The Clemson deal has been public knowledge for how long?

  55. I don’t disagree with what Hopkins and Watson want, but if it bothered them so much, why did they go to school there in the first place?

  56. eddyjf says:
    June 9, 2020 at 10:47 am
    godnollid16 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 7:27 am
    Pretty much anyone famous that we know of from back then were unfortunately supporters of slavery…
    ……
    Not true, for example John Adams and hoard slavery and would not even allow a slave in this house.

    ——————-

    Actually it was John Adam’s wife. She was drop dead brilliant. She hounded him over slavery. He tried from day 1 but they knew the southern states wouldn’t ratify the constitution and they ‘tabled’ it. Then it go past along and history happened. It was the reason for the 2nd amendment. It was NEVER so some idiot could own an AR9. Or even protect his hooch/wine collection with a Model 64. It was for state militias to keep other states out of their state. States like South Carolina and Virginia were afraid the Feds could get northern states to send militias into their states and free slaves. So they made it state rights not federal rights.

  57. SparkyGump says:
    June 9, 2020 at 9:50 am
    Hey you Trumpkins; slavery is not okay. Grow a soul.
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    I don’t see you raising a stink with all the countries in the world where it’s still practiced.

  58. So what happened to drew brees? Oh yes, he was roped into saying whatever he thought the audience at the time needed to hear. His family received death threats. He claimed to having seen the Light and now he has Donald Trump breathing down his neck.

    Keep your mouths shut unless you REALLY have a stake in the issue and some knowledge of it.

  59. Not going to matter if these people want to erase or rewrite history. Schools aren’t teaching kids American History. They are teaching the kids whatever personal agenda that the teacher/professor believes in. My nephew just graduated high school and told me what he “learned”. Within 5 years, schools will no longer be able to teach kids about America History anyway, even if they wanted to.

  60. I completely agree with the principle of not honoring a prominent advocacy for slavery. But what is the exact criteria for erasing someone? How involved in a bad activity does someone have to be, and what types of bad activities qualify? Do we analyze every aspect of someone’s documented personality, and erase them for attitudes and opinions as well as actions?

    Right now it’s just putting out fires based on loud voices, which is closer to a mob mentality. If we don’t set some guiding rationale for making these decisions, the precedent is set to cave in to any angry voice who claims to represent a cause.

    It’s all well and good if you’re the one yelling for a change that you want. But take the case of MLK mentioned above – a purely reactionary response opens the door for anyone to be torn down. There are many more types of historical suffering besides slavery, and many more types of discrimination than just that inflicted on the black population. Will we start down the road of looking at black icons and their attitudes on sexual preference and treatment of women?

    So – I have no problem with not honoring a leading champion of promoting slavery. It makes sense to me. But I don’t like the randomness of how these decisions are made, or forced.

  61. People bemoaning Hopkins going to Clemson are really missing the point here lol. “Calhoun was not only a slave owner but one of America’s fiercest advocates of slavery for many years, and a man who gave an infamous Senate speech that referred to slavery as a “positive good”.

    Is this really someone who’s name needs to be attached to a university? To anything, really? Those making this about Hopkins attending the school, you’re part of the problem. Maybe the biggest part.

  62. For anyone using the “we can’t erase history” argument, let me try to explain something to you.

    Statues are not put up to teach history. Schools and buildings aren’t named after people to teach history. These things are done to honor specific individuals.

    If statues and naming buildings/schools were done to teach history, there would be hundreds of statues of Hitler in Europe and schools named after him. After all, no one person influenced 20th century history more than him.

    Would you want statues or buildings/schools named after the 9/11 terrorists? Of course not.

    So let’s stop with the ridiculous argument of “it’s history.” It’s about who we chose to honor.

    To me, Calhoun is not someone worthy of honoring. Neither is Robert E. Lee. But Washington and Jefferson, far from perfect individuals, are.

  63. eddyjf says:
    June 9, 2020 at 10:47 am
    godnollid16 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 7:27 am
    Pretty much anyone famous that we know of from back then were unfortunately supporters of slavery…
    ……
    Not true, for example John Adams and hoard slavery and would not even allow a slave in this house.

    I don’t think you read what I said… “pretty much” is not “all”. There are good examples like Adams of those who weren’t slave owners because at least on that issue they were progressive visionaries ahead of their time, and it’s great to remember their forwardness, but most of our founding fathers were unfortunately slaveowners at least at some point and are still celebrated; most of our monetary figures currently have slave owners on the face. Is George Washington and such not admirable because they weren’t ahead of the times enough on that issue? Do they not deserve admiration for their accomplishments even if they did something we now accept as obviously horrible?

    Can we keep going several hundred years to the future and suddenly reject the greatness of our founding father because society has changed since they were being admirable and important figures to our nation so that we all accept that they were dreadfully wrong on something? Do we change our capital and an entire state’s name because slavery supercedes his accomplishments, or do we accept that one can be a great man while misguided by the times? Maybe we can be a little less disillusioned by his grandeur knowing that truth, but we can’t know what any of us would be like if we were born in that time. It would be great if he had been like John Adams on that issue, but in that time there were only so many like that. So while your point with Adams is good, my point is true.

  64. The real IRONY here, is that back then the Clemson Plantation and the South as a whole, made their fortunes on the backs of human slaves mainly from African countries and today, the Clemson University and the NCAA as a whole, is making billions on the backs of student athletes mainly from African American communities.

  65. A few points I’d like to respond to:
    1. They didn’t attend school for free, they played ball at the school in exchange for a scholarship. They earned their education at the school; playing ball instead of working a part time job, but it’s an exchange of labor non the less. These colleges make millions apon millions for their football and basketball programs.

    2. Why did 17, 18, 19 year old kids choose to attend a school where they later realized in their mid 20’s the school represented moral issues? Likely they didn’t grasp the history of the names, because they were kids focused on the excitement of being recruited. I don’t follow college sports, and until today I didn’t know why it was called Clemson or that it had a building named after a slave owner.

    Of all the inappropriate places to celebrate slave owners this is one case where it makes sense from a historical perspective. Statues, road names, building names for Confederate generals and confederate leaders who have no history with the place are completely inappropriate. Those items were done to remind former slaves where they come from. Like how the majority of confederate named schools also happen to be majority black school districts. Or how court houses will have confederate memorabilia even though none of those remembered ever had anything to do with the town. That kind of thing was done to intentionally remind black people who owned who and should be removed. With Clemson it’s hard to get around the fact that a racist played a key role in the college.

    Point of view matters in these discussions as well. Ask any aryan in 1930s Germany and they would tell you how wonderful Hitler was. That he did a great many good things for Germany. In the same way Calhoun was a great man for white South Carolina, but he was insidious for any person of color. How true are these statements for men like Washington, Jefferson, and Hamilton? As we move forward as a nation how can we celebrate our culture and our history without alienating those who were down trodden by that history? No one is asking anyone to forget our history, but to stop weaponizing it.

  66. Unfortunately history cannot be rewritten. How do you preserve history and respect all people? At this point, it seems anyone born before 1975 cannot be memorialized. Anyone who has said, thought or imagined a misdeed cannot be honored, ever. Anyone who has offended someone is wrong and should be banished. Is there no room for today’s society to preserve history and respect viewpoints that differ from the PC liberal victimized mindset?

  67. All these people keep talking about what a great thing and what a privelege it was that these players got scholarships to the school, completely ignoring the fact that these schools weren’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. They did it so they could make money off of these players, while paying them NOTHING.

    As for why not another school, have any of you actually researched to see what other offers they got? You’re so blinded by your white privelege you don’t even see they may not have had many other options. You don’t see how limited options still are for young black people. Maybe the other option is to not go to college, or live forever in school loan debt.

    You might also notice they didn’t say anything bad about their school. It’s still their alma mater. They want what they believe is best for their school. Oh, and they’re absolutely right.

  68. This is how book burnings start. If we as a country want to discount the contributions of every slave holder in US history we should immediately send some people over to tear down the Coliseum in Rome. Many Romans owned slaves.

    I realize this is more recent, only 150 years ago vs. 1500, but acknowledging that people that held slaves in the past actually did some great things is reasonable. We need adults to explain this to these emotional young people before we allow emotion to overcome reason.

    If we don’t the next group that decides they are going to emotionally respond to another issue will try to burn another group of historical figures in effigy.

  69. You can never move forward if you keep looking in the rear view mirror.

  70. I’m confused. Did Deshaun Watson feel oppressed while he was at Clemson?

  71. One really can’t argue. Disgusting that anyone would respect the history of a racist.

  72. Our history is complicated. First only white men could vote, then women’s right was acknowledged. After the civil war, black men could vote. Until they couldn’t. Since the 1960’s it has been harder to prevent black mn and women from voting.
    Japanese citizens were placed in concentration camps during WW II. Later the Government apologized for this unlawful imprisonment.

    Things change. It is only right and proper that we let go of those whose beliefs sundered our country in bloody war and hate.

    He wrote:1837 speech: “(I do not say slavery)..is an evil. Far otherwise; I hold it to be a good, as it has thus far proved itself to be, to both, and will continue to prove so, if not disturbed by the fell spirit of Abolition.

    He was famous for being ambitious. His name in on things at the university at least in part because his son-in-law donated the property. Kind of like how a lot of things at universities get named.

    I would agree – he does not deserve to be honored now.

  73. Omg, some, SOME white people are so clueless. First off there is no single name that can offend a white person, zero, zilch, notta. In all my years of life I’ve been called plenty of names and never offended. I know all too well as a white man who has a biracial daughter and black grandchildren. The n bomb cuts like a knife, and so many white people who claim they’re not racist love to toss it around nonchalantly, of course when no black people are around that is. More then a few of them on these boards by the posts I’ve read. Of course it’s hidden behind their veiled comments but it’s not hard to figure out. Remember folks without the US Constitution, there is no flag and without protest, there is no change. It really is time for SOME white people to wake up. If they don’t want to wake up, then they should at least come out of the closet so all the rest of us can see clearly where you stand.

  74. The past is the past and today is today. A big problem we have today is that people are trying to change the past. You can’t, by the way. The best you can do is learn from it and benefit from what you learned.

  75. Get Dabo Swinney and Trevor Lawrence on board and more people will listen. Those are the two heavyweights.

  76. The comments section is embarrassing. How is it people take a stance opposing individuals condemning slavery/proponents of slavery? If you want to remember historical accomplishments then accept the reality that Calhoun, like nearly all figures, take credit for the achievements of Black people. Those buildings, infrastructure, and universities were built by Black slaves whose names and identities are lost, forgotten, and purposely excluded. While there is SOME merit to the concept of using current morals to judge historical situations, this isn’t one of those situations. There’s no justifying the enslavement of a race, especially when that race continues to be affected centuries later.

    Also, if black people didn’t attend schools with a racist thumbprint, where would they attend?

  77. Some say that Abe Lincoln was the best president we’ve ever had. I disagree, the best one was George Washington. He served two terms, and he even fought as the Commander in Chief of the Continental Army. Lincoln had the greatest opportunity to send certain people to Liberia, but he chose not to. As a result, this created a lot of future division, conflict, and negative events to unfold within our nation’s borders – as they will for the next few centuries.

  78. It is stunning to see the racists take up the defense of John C. Calhoun. He isn’t George Washington. It is deplorable that Washington had slaves but the primary focus of his lead was to gain our independence and forge a new country. Calhoun’s main contribution was to espouse a political philosophy to perpetuate the slavery of black animals. It is also stunning that people are faulting a 17 year old DeShaun for not being on top of this issue when he signed with Clemson. Sadly, this institutional racism was so ingrained as to not even be question. But the times they are a changing.

  79. The fact that people are defending a slave owner is all you need to know what the problem in America is. And let me tell you all something those guys don’t need Clemson or any school in the ACC, Big Ten, SEC or Big 12 or the Pac-12… They can go to an HBCU & still be great. If you don’t believe it at ask Jerry Rice or Walter Payton… Sad that people will not understand that slavery is not something that will ever be respected.

  80. Chances are some poster on here had an ancestor(s) who owned slaves, and may not know about it. Should that person be condemned for something they had no part of?

    Slavery is, and was horrible. Unfortunately, it’s still common throughout the world.

    You cannot erase history. The only thing one can do is learn from it, and hope it doesn’t repeat.

  81. wintercoates87 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 1:01 pm
    Omg, some, SOME white people are so clueless. First off there is no single name that can offend a white person, zero, zilch, notta

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    White Privilege is that single name today

  82. mrf47 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 9:12 am
    Stop with the “you can’t rewrite” history argument. This isn’t rewriting history; it’s choosing not to celebrate the nefarious aspects of it.
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    Cite one example of where John C Calhoun or Clemson is celebrated for slavery. Can you find a country or head of state that existed back then who did not utilize slaves in one form or another? Same goes for the “we stole the land from the native americans” argument. That has happened throughout history. Countries are formed, fighting ensues, land is taken and so on. It has happened literally everywhere but the only people unaware of that seem to be simple-minded guilt-ridden USA haters looking to feel better about themselves at the expense of reality and truth.
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    “Cite one example of where John C Calhoun or Clemson is celebrated for slavery.” So, your point is the statue should stay because it’s not an accurate depiction of who the man was?

    Enjoy your rose colored glasses.

  83. sponz says:
    June 9, 2020 at 6:24 am

    Should we scrap the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States of America as well?

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    Do not give them any ideas.

  84. Brobokil says:
    June 9, 2020 at 11:11 am
    Here’s the bottom line, if you have never been denied a job, never denied a loan, never been harassed or abused all based on the color of your skin, YOU DON’T GET AN OPINION. Shut up!
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    Wrong. The “all based on the color of your skin” aspect of your statement is an excuse made by the lazy, irresponsible or stupid. Tons of people have been denied jobs, denied loans, harassed or abused and have never demanded “justice” or help from anyone because they had the ability to self-reflect and take actions to improve. Victims tend to stop the self reflection as soon as they can blame something other than themselves. Because you lack the ability of deep thought does not justify your attempt to shut down opinions and facts that you cannot effectively argue against. Maybe you would be better served if you shut up and then tried to understand the opinions you seem so fearful of, champ.

  85. painkiller20 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 6:06 am
    Did any of these players have an issue when Antonio brown called mike mayock a racial name? I don’t recall a peep out of any of them. Or was that a different scenario so it doesn’t count?

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    Yes, Brown calling Mayock a cracker really raised my proud, white hackles (actually, I had to Google what he called him, because it was so ridiculous I couldn’t rely on my memory. I kept thinking it was redneck or hayseed, or something). It reminds me of when an Asian co-worker of mine called me a “honky”, years ago. Later in the day I came across his boss (a big, black dude with an impressive afro, and mentioned he might have to send the Asian guy for some sensitivity training. Concerned, the boss asked what happened. I answered, “Well, he called me a…” and burst out laughing. When I finally was able to say “honky”, the boss cracked up, too. There is really nothing white people can be called by other races that is as offensive as what we can and do call members of those races. I’m not just talking about black people. We have nasty terms for every non-white person.

  86. SparkyGump says:
    June 9, 2020 at 9:50 am

    Hey you Trumpkins; slavery is not okay. Grow a soul.

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    Wow. Are you prejudice or what? Quit being racist yourself there Ol’ Sparky. Your savior Obummer wouldn’t like it. Don’t lump myself and others into some pro slavery movement because we believe in the man currently occupying the WH.

    Why don’t you quit your complaining and grow a pair?

    When Obummer was elected, I said to myself and others “OK, let’s see what he has got.” He didn’t have much, but I don’t recall grouping people and accusing them of terrible beliefs.

    You sir, are nearing the moron stage.

    These 2 guys we are commenting on went to a University where the past history was there for everyone to research. Now them and others are acting like they were forced to play there. Oh the humanity!!

    One other comment in this thread said that these 2 guys had no choice but to go to a southern because roster spots were limited in the north? Huh? Like all southern schools are slave owner sponsored? If they wanted to play in the north, I’m sure a school would have found a roster spot for them.

  87. Not for nothing, but these 2 guys were probably about 17 years old when they accepted the scholarship to Clemson, and accepted it because of the well-known football program. It’s highly likely they didn’t learn about Calhoun’s legacy till after they got there. They’re both from the South, after all, so history texts used at their schools were probably whitewashed (no pun intended).

  88. FinFan68 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    Wrong. The “all based on the color of your skin” aspect of your statement is an excuse made by the lazy, irresponsible or stupid.

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    Wait. So are you really saying no one ever gets (or got in the past) denied things (like a loan, a job, due process, life, etc.) based on nothing but the color of their skin? That it’s just the excuse of the lazy, irresponsible or stupid?

    I mean, that’s how your statement reads. Just not sure you meant it that way – here’s a chance to clarify, if you wish.

  89. Firstly, statues and memorials are just to honor or commerate. They are not the sole means of history. So no, history isn’t being erased. While many founding fathers saw slavery as a “necessary evil”, John C. Calhoun was an advocate for slavery and saw it as a “positive good”.

    Secondly, Deshaun Watson and Deandre Hopkins chose Clemson because of what it offered them, and growing up as an POC in the south means going a lot of places named after people that were known racist, slave owners, or avid segrationalist ie; Strom Thurmond. Just like everything else you learn to live with it, and not necessarily like it or support it.

    Lastly, being black in America you learn how to navigate society, and have to tactically decide when to speak up on racial issues because it can back fire or fall on deaf ears. For Watson and Hopkins its easier for them to speak up on these issues at Clemson as NFL players as opposed to when they were members of the football team.

  90. The real swamp here in this country are the bleach drinkers on PFT!

  91. The nerve of you foolish people suggesting the removal of white domination is erasing American history… 🙄 A lot of you hypocrites don’t even realize that the supposedly African Americans are the aboriginals of the United States & Mexico and that Very history got burned up in the 1790 American census, so I particularly get very irritated of foreigners claiming anything on our land…. Let’s tell the real story of America instead of making caucasian Americans feel wonderful about themselves…

  92. elvoid says:
    June 9, 2020 at 3:44 pm
    FinFan68 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 3:12 pm

    Wrong. The “all based on the color of your skin” aspect of your statement is an excuse made by the lazy, irresponsible or stupid.

    _____________

    Wait. So are you really saying no one ever gets (or got in the past) denied things (like a loan, a job, due process, life, etc.) based on nothing but the color of their skin? That it’s just the excuse of the lazy, irresponsible or stupid?

    I mean, that’s how your statement reads. Just not sure you meant it that way – here’s a chance to clarify, if you wish.
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    Little clarification is needed. There are obviously times where it has happened so there are exceptions. The thing is, way too many people think they are that exception and then the media takes those claims and and exaggerates them to the point that people actually believe it is a systemic problem rather than the acts of a relatively small number of random crappy people. Think back to the last time where this narrative flared up. There was a large number of traffic stops of minorities by white cops that went viral on social media. The “victims” all said they did absolutely nothing wrong and they were stopped ONLY because they were black. They confronted the officers involved and many threatened the officers. Some of those people were self-described “black leaders” in their communities. Those viral posts were deluged with supporters just like we are seeing now in the aftermath of the horrible incident in Minn. Then, days later the rest of the story and/or video came out that showed the accusations that went viral were demonstrably false, some even criminally so. There were illegal lane shifts, expired or missing license plates, speeding, running stop signs/red lights and other infractions that justified the initial stop but those were all ignored in favor of a false narrative that cops are out to get black people. None of the factual stories went viral and very few of the papers and television news stations even bothered to correct the record. People still remember the lies and some of those lies and other false stories are feeding their disdain and their dangerous attacks on police and law and order. So, to answer your question, THOSE are the people I was talking about.

  93. So now we have to erase every single person that participated in slavery from history? Are they going to take it back to the black Chiefs of African tribes that sold the slaves to Europeans?

  94. wintercoates87 says:
    June 9, 2020 at 1:01 pm
    Omg, some, SOME white people are so clueless. First off there is no single name that can offend a white person,
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    Try “racist”.

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