Hatred won’t silence us

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We’ve been vocal over the past couple of weeks regarding the monumental changes that have been sparked by the murder of George Floyd. We’ve heard from many who agree. We’ve also heard from many who strongly disagree.

Whether in the comments section (I’d love to get rid of the comment section altogether, but that’s a different issue for a different), on Twitter, or in my personal emails and text messages, the level of vitriol, belligerence, and flat-out hatred has been stunning, but not surprising. The minority on matters of racial equality is getting louder, possibly because that minority senses defeat, in many different ways.

Here’s an email I received today, under the subject line “Thank you PFT” (which the author apparently thought would make me more likely to open it): “Thank you for once again reminding me why your website is garbage. You pass judgment and slander my Southern ancestors, Mr. Florio (‘Florio’ lol, who invited you here? Shall I recite the atrocities under Mussolini?), because you are a cultural imperialist. You take no time to ask, ‘why would people be interested In flying the Confederate flag?’ because you adopt the comic book view of the war being about slavery.”

So . . . what was the civil war about? Those who would like to fight it all over again would say it was about “states’ rights.” And they’re right; it was about states’ rights to let their citizens continue to own slaves.

More importantly, none of this will quiet us. History will judge everyone with a platform during these turbulent times, and plenty will be remembered in a negative light, in the same way people like John C. Calhoun currently is being remembered. Those who are flat-out wrong and/or deliberately pandering to those who are flat-out wrong (a/k/a the charlatan-bros) won’t be forgotten, and I want my grandkids (if I have any) and their grandkids (if they have any) to be able to say that the old, dead guy who wrote and talked about football makes them proud, not ashamed, of their own personal heritage.

78 responses to “Hatred won’t silence us

  1. There are some racists unfortunately, but all I’ve seen is almost every single person fully agreeing with this movement. On some details of it reasonable minds can agree on the exact methods of going about it. But civil disagreements apparently don’t exist anymore. This combative attitude of Us vs. Them is what we need to get rid of.

  2. MLK was vehemently against gay marriage. I guess we need to rename all the MLK streets in the US because he was a bigot?

  3. I haven’t seen much in the way of hatred in the comments here. I suppose it depends on ones definition of hatred or their level of sensitivity about debatable issues.

    My stance is that people can do whatever they want to do. Whether that be protesting peacefully or disagreeing with the protests. Everyone has a voice, right or wrong in anyone’s opinion. I support the protesters point of view and find their complaints legitimate. I also understand fans patriotic feelings about the US flag. I don’t believe protesting during the national anthem is any attempt to bring people together for a common and decent cause. This will be done and used as a divisive display. This type of protests is not going to help anyone achieve anything. Using protests to label others and accuse them of hate is very sad and perhaps even dangerous.

    That said, people can protest however they want. Just don’t expect everyone to be on board. Expect a negative response from some and also expect a negative financial impact. After all, the nfl is a product being sold to a consumer. Consumers can decide whether they wish to purchase the product or not. That doesn’t mean people refusing to purchase are filled with hate.

  4. Why would hatred silence you? You spew plenty of it yourself. Bitter, acrimonious, self-righteous and full of contempt, you don’t bother to hide your disdain for the opinions of others, especially your readers here. I don’t share the culture or viewpoint of the person whose message you posted here, but you have got to be one of the least effective voices imaginable for speaking to people to convince them to see past their own prejudices.

  5. Everything you have to say would be more palatable if you admitted that your views are liberal (and don’t hide behind the manipulative term ‘progressive’ as that is a marketing manipulation). This is your platform, which you built, and expressing your views is your right, but you should be confident enough to flatly state that you are using it to express your liberal opinions.

    I am not at all surprised that you would silence the comments. Most liberals have no tolerance for discourse and intelligent discussion of differing opinions. I’d say it’s just typical. Don’t be silent. But be confident enough to admit you are a liberal and apparently an intolerant one at that.

    Your opinions are opinions. not facts. And you lack of tolerance of intelligent disagreement is the problem.

  6. I think every resonable person is supporting stopping police brutality as much as possible. People differ on the best way to do this. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and discussig to hopefully come to a workable solution. Some people do have racist opinions but not every differing opinion is a racist opinion.

  7. Thanks Mike, there is one race on this planet…the Human race. There are multiple ethnicities and that is to be celebrated!
    BTW, you’ve changed my mind about my hometown Washington team name…I never thought I would agree with you on that, but, after the last weeks, I need to be able to look in the mirror and see the reality of walking in other people’s shoes. There is no place for racism, prejudices, slurs or bullying in a civilized society.
    Not religous, but I pray for society to wake the F up.
    #Black Lives Matter!

  8. Silence who, Silence what! Is the protest going to change anything. Doubt it!

  9. “There are some racists unfortunately, but all I’ve seen is almost every single person fully agreeing with this movement”

    godnollid16 I’m glad for you that is all you see but I live in Indiana and I see much much more hate than I do ‘agreeing with the movement. I’m a progressive in a conservative state, a writer and politician and am used to getting hate for my positions. This time is different. This time the hate is coming with hints that violence could be coming as well.

    We are one race, the human race and we in the majority community in the United States need reminded that Black Lives Matter.

    Thank you to Mike Florio and profootball talk for speaking truth to power.

  10. Iowa today signed into law the banning of chokeholds.

    A tragedy that this hadn’t been illegal before today.

    The protests are working for now, with the help of concerned citizens making public records of police brutality.

    We have seen these videos for years with countless officers able to just walk away.

    The system needs a complete overhaul, out in the open. Only then will protests stop.

  11. I don’t like or approve of being told how to act, speak,think etc.
    Or being vilified just because my opinions, attitudes are different from yours.

  12. I don’t always agree with you Mike, nor with the way in which you go about saying things. You are definitely biased against certain teams based on your personal fandom of certain teams, and blow things out of proportion for teams you dislike, and make excuses for teams you like.

    That being said, you are absolutely correct to use your platform to preach against hatred.

  13. First, that guys comment about state’s rights is scary. I don’t have enough space to detail how scary.

    But, far more importantly, Mike Florio is a Real One.

  14. Mike, you can rest assured that you are in fact on the right side of history. This is probably the first comment I have written in months, but I read here daily and I can see the hate, in some of the comments, so you are not incorrectly perceiving them, in my view.

    Keep up the good work.

  15. Keep up the good fight Florio, you may be a bleeding heart but at least that heart is in the right place most of the time. I don’t agree with your take on Kap and I hope Aaron Rodgers punches you in the nose one day, but overall you’re doing what you think is right and that’s admirable. Even though you never put my comments up, my morning poos just wouldn’t be the same without you.

    If you’re pissing people off you’re usually doing something right.

  16. ForWhomTheBellTrolls says:
    June 12, 2020 at 8:53 pm
    MLK was vehemently against gay marriage. I guess we need to rename all the MLK streets in the US because he was a bigot?

    Maybe…if true, then time will answer that question. But, if he had lived chances are his position would evolve it did on other issues. He was only 39 when murdered by a white man. George Wallace’s views evolved, so there is that example. But, then there is the example of legions of others who held bigoted views until they died of old age. Maybe those are the ones we should spend more time focusing on—-and the ones still alive today.

  17. Understanding, healing, reconciliation, fairness, peace, and prosperity for the future…

    We can all choose to unite for those ideas, and if any of us have any baggage maybe we should just leave that behind and save it for any other not-as-important topic.

  18. Sorry to read that you or any of your writers are getting coarse, hostile, maybe even threatening comments. But, truth be told, I’ve considered flaming out of this site in a flurry of colorful epithets. No sentient human being would deny that George Floyd’s murder was awful and that the perpetrator(s) must be punished. My problem is the leaping to conclusions and generalizations, and knee-jerk reactions that are driving everything. If there were facts and data undergirding what I’m reading and hearing, than we could approach a conversation. If there were signs of recognition of and belief iin the need for law and order for society to function – ditto. And contempt for those of us who voted for Donald Trump in 2016, and will do the same in less than five moments, only puts us at odds with one another.

  19. Hatred won’t silence you? I thought it fueled you. If you just took a step back and read your recent articles, you would see that you give the impression that you believe that anyone who votes different then you or doesn’t want to sign your QB is not just wrong but evil

  20. Good on you, Mike. But don’t get rid of the comments section. It’s half the reason I come to PFT.

  21. Delete the comment section? C’mon, we all love your reporting which is why we are here but I am sure everyone loves the comment section just as much to see other reader’s opinions. I wont make a political comment here or ever really. I just want to say I think its funny that you think “Thank You PFT” subject was solely based on making you open it and it did just that. Give props to the 1st grader who sent that email Florio!

  22. I applaud the sentiment, Florio. Too many people clinging to a racist status quo, hiding behind anonymous screen names. To all the people threatening to walk away from the NFL if their bigotry isn’t codified and embraced: Go ahead and walk.

  23. I’ve been saying much the same about your comments section for years and some of the comments on this article prove your (and my) point. Sometimes, you can’t tell the difference between the comments section and StormFront. But they can whine, cry, and stay mad as far as I’m concerned.

  24. Fifty-six years ago, Sam Cooke wrote an inspired song
    based on the hope that “A Change is Gonna Come ” .
    It has taken some time, but that time might have finally come.

    People change. Long held beliefs and ideas change.. They say,
    ‘ there is no stronger force than an idea whose time has come. ‘
    It has taken 244 yrs since the Founders wrote down certain
    inalienable Rights and Freedoms, and declared all men are created equal.
    They felt these were fundamental building blocks for the new Republic.
    It is past time we all begin living up to them.

    How can you be a leader for freedoms around the world, and yet
    carry the mark of shame that comes from institutionalized racism.

    The young people see it. Heck, even the NFL and NASCAR see it.
    It’s time to live up to the ideals we all say we believe in.
    No more just giving those ideals lip service,
    time to live up to them.

    For those who remain tone-deaf after years of cries for
    social justice and equal treatment, It’s a time for reckoning.
    For those who remain defiant after three weeks of protests,
    it’s a time for self-reflection.

    Put pen to paper, speak to the future now. Let your progeny and
    all those that will follow, let them know where you now stand.
    Let them know why you hold the strong positions you do, and
    why you hold on to those positions so fiercely. Don’t deflect.
    Just be true to yourself, and to those who might read it years from now.

  25. If a bakery can legally choose not to serve customers because they’re gay, then businesses, such as Nascar, can choose to ban a symbol of hatred. It’s a bit trickier for municipalities, but why should any feel it’s proper to honor the flag of traitors that was also a symbol of slavery.

    They attacked their country and fought and killed their countrymen. They were traitors and we shouldn’t honor them, we should chastise any would-be insurrectionists that are so disloyal to the country. Love it or leave it…

  26. Simply put, hatred is the outward expression of “fear’… And what exactly is there to be feared? “CHANGE”. It is human nature to resist change. This is not complicated folks.

    The movement currently taking place is invoking change. The chaos, bitterness, and yes hatred are to be expected. The lesson to be learned from this? “Don’t take things personally”. They will try to push your buttons with insults, threats, intimidations, diminishment, and disrespect, but that can only happen “if you” allow it. Stay centered and grounded in the TRUTH that is taking place and they will eventually tire of their own self hatred.

    Gloria Steinem ~ You shall know the Truth, and the Truth shall set you free…. But first it will piss you off.

  27. Thanks Mr. Florio.
    The closed minded, narrative changing, self loathing haters, will…always be haters and will always try to BULLY the rest of society to continue their bigoted ways. The only way to defeat the close minded is to stand up to them and to continue, as you do, to try and educate them on just how wrong they are. Keep up the right fight.

  28. This movement offers the potential (and likely will make good on that potential) for great progress, and that’s very positive. As always, however, the ends don’t justify all the means, and right now care and empathy and civility has become…more inconsistent than in the recent past. Double standards abound, such as declaring that kneeling was not intended as disrespect and thus those who find it disrespectful should let it go…and yet at the same time those who fly the Confederate flag for the sake of heritage (most heritage contains negatives as well as positives, as each heritage is made up of people) have their intent dismissed or outright mocked, and overridden for the sake of those who find it offensive. Double standards are an absolute immorality; we can and must do better.

    One other note: if, for example, you research the Virginian convention on secession, you would find out that the state was initially against secession, but had the majority swing after President Lincoln took actions that the state felt were inappropriate, oppression, and perhaps even outright illegal. While slavery was the specific issue in the South that led to the region feeling that Federal powers would overwhelm the authority and rights of the states, the historical record makes it clear that perceived federal oppression was always the primary problem at hand. We take for granted in our national unity that even upon its founding the United States had no guidelines as to how to balance state and federal rights and had to find a balance through debate…but considering that the nation itself came into being on the basis of unhappiness over claimed oppression by distant authority, it seems strange that an essentially identical sentiment by the Southern states has been de-legitimized.

    Remember: there was no absolute rule that made it a given that the states once joined to the American union were bound to it forevermore. Some states attempted to exercise the same right that the American colonies had, and the debate over whether this was appropriate or not was settled not by debate or referendum but on the battlefield.

    The righteousness of the Aolonial effort to obtain independence was, essentially, confirmed on the basis of military victory. And, it seems, the would-be, same righteousness of the Southern effort to obtain independence did not happen because the sacrificed lives were not enough in that case. I take great pride in a united America and, a century and a half later, I prefer this result given this unity as well as the freedom it brought on an oppressed people. But that doesn’t make the manner at which the issue was “settled” any less regrettable. It’s a shame that today’s society is so lacking in an understanding of our flawed, human past…every era has its dark shadows, but the historical record is being grossly and inaccurately rewritten for the sake of…well, I won’t try to guess the “why”. It’s just clear that rewriting is taking place.

  29. Some of the thumbs up versus thumbs down on these comments make me start to think that some folks would be happy if the status quo was kept.

    As long as the cops weren’t killing THEIR families, it doesn’t matter to them.

  30. I think many people come here to read and make comments as much as they do to get NFL news. It is engaging and fun. Suddenly disregarding the preferences and habits of the customers who made your business successful might not be the best thing to do.

  31. By “preferences” I don’t mean political leanings. I mean the preference for having a comment section in general.

  32. Iowa today signed into law the banning of chokeholds.

    A tragedy that this hadn’t been illegal before today.

    The protests are working for now, with the help of concerned citizens making public records of police brutality.

    We have seen these videos for years with countless officers able to just walk away.

    The system needs a complete overhaul, out in the open. Only then will protests stop.
    ____________
    And before this law passed, zero minorities were killed by chokehold. Not saying this didn’t need to pass, and I fully support it. But nothing changed today in Iowa, so get off your pedestal and try again

  33. Regarding the commenter who talked about people flying the confederate flag for heritage… they should get treated the same as someone flying the Nazi flag.

    The confederacy was established, and the civil war was fought, over the southern desire to maintain the barbaric and murderous system of slavery. Enslaved human beings were beaten, maimed, forced to perform back-breaking labor, raped, and had their family members sold off. That’s the heritage of the Confederate flag.

  34. MLK also did not believe in violent protests, therefore he has been cancelled effective yesterday

  35. The comments here pretty much are what I thought they would be. One part “I haven’t seen any bad racist comments” one part “You are the biggest jerk ever” and a final small part “good job!”. But you can get a pretty good sense of that in the regular stories also. Keep pushing. It’s the right thing to do.

  36. What is shocking/frightening to me is how quickly the mob mentality has silenced any opposition thought process even those non hateful (as I believe many of my comments are that get banned). “You’re either with us or your against us” (Von Miller quote). Drew Breese gets on radio and makes sense and is every single talking head / writer agrees he was out of line? How does every talking head agree on anything?

    Because at least some portion of them are afraid to speak their minds due to the immediate mob mentality backlash of “with us or against us”.

    So okay, fine, but do any of us think fear and not pretending like there is more than one valid way of thinking is the way to change hearts and thought processes?

    And no one will point it out. Why? Same answer – fear.

  37. Well, factually, the historians and scholars commenting on Ken Burns’ “Civil War” actually indicate that at it’s inception, the Civil War was about the secession of states from the Union. In fact, it’s cited that while he didn’t agree with slavery, Lincoln that was not Lincoln’s primary concern at the beginning — it was the future of the Union. Now examining things, ultimately slavery was an issue that could not be reconciled WHILE maintaining the Union (although there was a short period of time where this was attempted). Ironically, it was first secession and then slavery that (largely) stoked the fires of the Civil War (amidst other “secondary” issues). The way this country is today, the issue of racism is at the fore and is likely to not be the only issue. Ultimately, the Union will not be able to withstand with states that are both Capitalistic and socialistic/democratic. Looming behind the issues of systemic racism are the deep ideological/political divides of this country — and they’re growing. Obama came and touted his vision of unity (all while either ignoring or be ignorant of the very divisive ideologies he presented in his speech(es) and others will come as well. Even a semi-cursory examination of our political structure in America will yield the reality. If enough mass aggregates across the three branches of government, the ideological stance behind it will prevail. Thus laws will be made, and by constitutional mandate law enforcement at all levels is compelled to enforce them (now what happens at this juncture cannot be known now). Ultimately, while I abhor hate (though I’m not a perfect human being either, and praise be to Christ Jesus’ death on the cross I’m forgiven) you cannot legislate the eradication of hateful thought. You can only educate and legislate the active expression of it. So be rid of the Confederate flag (IMO) and one’s right to stand doesn’t negate another’s right to kneel.

  38. The comments are by far the best part of this site.

    I wouldn’t come here on a daily basis if it weren’t for the commentariat.

  39. Florio, you have a way of pissing me off with your one sided views, like your thinking that every player should take the franchise tag for 2 years, then move on. How would that be good for football? But, I do like coming here, getting what info I can, then try to look past the curve you try to put on things.

  40. And seahawkgoat: look up Eric Garner and Derrick Scott. You can also learn things by investigating why other nations are also banning the tactic.

  41. The folks who want to carry a Confederate flag are the same ones who would be pissed off if someone carried or waved a flag of another country. I can hear it now “If you dont like America, go back to where you came from”. They are the same ones who will spout off that once you’re living in the USA, an immigrant should should forget about their heritage and become an American. Meanwhile, they still want to carry forward their southern heritage.

    It amazes me to see the gymnastics some of my friends will go through to justify their opinions.

  42. Reading these comments shows the lenses a lot of liberals look through. To see what a liberal sees in comments about players protesting takes a longer reach than anyone really has. I support the message, but I do not support the delivery. Why? Because the delivery is driving a wedge between people. If people don’t get together there will not be a solution, so driving people apart while trying to deliver a message makes no sense. Dividing people will never bring them together.

  43. “You pass judgment and slander my Southern ancestors”

    That person’s ancestors were slavers and traitors so yeah, pass as much judgement on them as you want.

    The so called “states rights and economic stand” was nothing but justification for continues slavery. Because if the slaves were freed, those economies would have suffered and the ultra wealthy of the south would have made less money because they would have *gasp* had to pay people for their work.

    Slavers and traitors.

  44. America was not founded by the best citizens of England. Australia was created by the British as a penal colony. I could go on and on. The civil war was lost by the south over 150 years ago for crying out loud. I live in Tennessee but I don’t live in 1865 Tennessee. Stop living in the past and let’s deal with the current and the future, people. Rodney King (you might have to Google that one) got it right. Why can’t we all just get along?

  45. You take no time to ask, ‘why would people be interested In flying the Confederate flag?’ because you adopt the comic book view of the war being about slavery.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    So the Constitution of the Confederacy was a comic book?

    This is from the Cornerstone Speech of Alexander H. Stephens, Vice President of the Confederacy, as given March 21, 1861 at Savannah GA.

    The new constitution has put at rest, forever, all the agitating questions relating to our peculiar institution African slavery as it exists amongst us the proper status of the negro in our form of civilization. This was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution. Jefferson in his forecast, had anticipated this, as the “rock upon which the old Union would split.” He was right.

  46. I personally think Confederate statues and flags should be removed. I also believe players have a right to kneel. But there is a creepy authoritarianism oozing from people such as Florio. Kneeling has become like Kramer and the AIDS ribbon from Seinfeld. You can support the goals of ending police brutality and support equality under the law, but if you don’t genuflect in the exact manner dictated, and check every box deemed mandatory by the self-appointed social justice arbiters, you are to be ostracized and, in many cases, cancelled. “Who!!!!??? Who doesn’t want to kneel???!!!” Meanwhile the larger issues – what really matters – get lost. It’s not possible to support many of the goals while simultaneously being uncomfortably with the kneeling. The Left is also insatiable in their desire to go too far – always. If you think they won’t come for the Founders and other more recent figures you are deluding yourself. Gone With the Wind wasn’t even safe. Florio will not stand in their way.

  47. seahawkgoat says:
    June 13, 2020 at 12:58 am
    Iowa today signed into law the banning of chokeholds.

    A tragedy that this hadn’t been illegal before today.

    The protests are working for now, with the help of concerned citizens making public records of police brutality.

    We have seen these videos for years with countless officers able to just walk away.

    The system needs a complete overhaul, out in the open. Only then will protests stop.
    ____________
    And before this law passed, zero minorities were killed by chokehold. Not saying this didn’t need to pass, and I fully support it. But nothing changed today in Iowa, so get off your pedestal and try again

    ———————

    Where are you getting your statistics on minorities being killed by chokehold? How have you never seen the video of Eric Garner being choked to death by an NYPD officer? That’s at least one that everyone knows about…at least attempt to be truthful…

  48. Mr. Florio, I, for one, enjoy your site. I believe our politics are probably quite different and I think many times you write articles in order to become the news rather than report the news, but that’s fine, too. At least for now, until the government takes complete control of our thoughts and speech, we can celebrate our differences and discuss things as an adult. Those who throw insults around in arguments are imbeciles.

  49. As someone living overseas in a country with a competent government, I usually find the Woke wing of the Democratic party (my own party) to be counterproductive. We could be solving real problems, pocket book issues, and you guys want to discuss whether we should use gendered pronouns and other ridiculous topics (poor JK).

    Having said that, Floyd’s death changed something for me. It was an uncomfortable glance in the mirror when you’re not at your best. Obviously, we need to fix our country. Do I think that everyone with a Confederate flag is a racist? No, I assume many of them are simply being contrarian or naïve. Do I think Clemson is full of racists? No, of course not. Do I think all cops are evil? No. But we do have systemic problems and the chance to fix them now.

    That doesn’t mean you’re right about Kaepernick of course. The guy opted out… quit making him out to be a martyr. The NFL has kept suspected murderers on their rosters… of course they would keep a good QB around if he was 100% into football.

  50. I’m sure there’s some hatred out there, but most of us just want you to report football news and rumors in an unbiased manner. Instead, you decide to use the platform to push your political views on everyone. In the end, you’ll end up losing half your audience if you can’t control yourself.

  51. This is not a binary choice. You can be for police reforms without being for burning and looting. You can be for police reforms but against the cancel culture. Hate is a carefully chosen word to cleverly brand those who do not think like you as a racist. It’s race baiting..and the only way forward is to ignore that kind of demagoguery and speech.

  52. Comment sections in general are chess pools for conservative hate to be spewed. Hate is exhausting and has never improved anyone’s life.

  53. You need to stick with football news nobody cares what you think because it’s obvious you don’t know anything about player talents because all of your suggestions of who should be signed and where are ignorant just like the image you show by your opinions

  54. Use their hatred as nourishment to keep up the struggle. The more hatred you receive is a barometer of your success. Swim in it while they wallow in the cesspool of hate.

  55. There are racists on both sides. The problem with Florio is if he disagrees with a point of view he seems to consider them an enemy. There is no room for dialogue and that’s why he censors opinions he doesn’t like. People have differing viewpoints but lumping every dissenting opinion with those deemed as racist is just a defense mechanism for the weak-minded or those who have not thought out their position beyond what it might look like to others. If you want to make your grandkids proud then engage in actual discussion, evaluate different points of view and make an argument to change hearts and minds rather than just preaching to the like-minded choir and then running away by essentially committing the modern-day version of book burning by simply deleting comments before they can be seen and evaluated by others. It happens on every single topic Mr Florio holds dear. There is nothing wrong with his opinion and he has valid points that I agree with but the rest of the way he handles things detracts from his credibility.

  56. oh come on with the martyrdom. one could just as easily cherry pick (rotten cherries we agree) the whack jobs and violent extremists at the other end of the spectrum as being representative of your point of view. get over yourself a bit and look in the mirror.

  57. Chokeholds were not illegal because no one ever assumed you’d use it to murder someone.

  58. FinFan68 says:

    There are racists on both sides. The problem with Florio is if he disagrees
    with a point of view he seems to consider them an enemy. There is no room
    for dialogue and that’s why he censors opinions he doesn’t like.
    People have differing viewpoints but lumping every dissenting opinion with
    those deemed as racist is just a defense mechanism for the weak-minded or
    those who have not thought out their position beyond what it might look like to others.

    __________.

    Thanks for your post. You raise some interesting points.
    I, too, would like to hear more well reasoned opposing views —
    from both sides.. More dialogue and bridging common ground
    is the only peaceful way to go forward.

    First, let me assure you that plenty of posts from from
    the other side do not get posted. It’s not just you.
    Sometimes I wonder why I even bother, and I usually don’t, but
    this issue is important and it matters to me. I’d like you
    to have and to share your peace.

    Second, you ask to “engage in actual discussion, evaluate different
    points of view and make an argument to change hearts and minds … ”
    Here is the thing, black communities and the Left have been
    raising these inequalities for decades. They have been met by
    deflection, dismissal and outright disdain from those who are
    quite content in maintaining the status quo.
    It’s no longer possible – it’s no longer tenable.

    Third, yes, there are racists and agitators on both sides.
    That is a false equivalency though. The numbers are clearly
    heavily weighed to one side. Cautionary note – don’t confuse
    contempt for institutions and the people who enforce
    systematic injustices as racism. It’s contempt for the oppression
    people are feeling.

    Lastly, you take issue with how Florio does certain things, though
    you say you agree he has some valid points. I agree, I think
    Florio’s writing has reached a new higher plateau recently, and
    I’ve been following this site, ( and others before it) for a long time.

    Now, your impression is that you are being silenced and that
    your dissenting opinions are being invalidated and are deemed as racist.
    I’ll say this – whether it’s true or not, how does it feel to be dismissed?
    To go unheard, to be mocked, to fear reprisals if you speak up,
    to fear for your well being and carry a constant concern
    that your kids make it home safely, and don’t come into
    contact with a mindless people or the police?

    It’s something a sizable minority has had to deal with
    for a very long time. Is it new to you ?

  59. barneyrumble says:
    June 12, 2020 at 9:23 pm
    “There are some racists unfortunately, but all I’ve seen is almost every single person fully agreeing with this movement”

    godnollid16 I’m glad for you that is all you see but I live in Indiana and I see much much more hate than I do ‘agreeing with the movement. I’m a progressive in a conservative state, a writer and politician and am used to getting hate for my positions. This time is different. This time the hate is coming with hints that violence could be coming as well.
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    Awwww. You and Mike manning the liberal martyr position in this whole crap show, eh? Tell ya what, NOBODY does hate more virulently than a leftist. Nobody. So you guys can cry about everything coming your way, and you’ll excuse me while I don’t care.

  60. lks311 says:
    June 12, 2020 at 9:48 pm
    ForWhomTheBellTrolls says:
    June 12, 2020 at 8:53 pm
    MLK was vehemently against gay marriage. I guess we need to rename all the MLK streets in the US because he was a bigot?

    Maybe…if true, then time will answer that question. But, if he had lived chances are his position would evolve it did on other issues. He was only 39 when murdered by a white man. George Wallace’s views evolved, so there is that example. But, then there is the example of legions of others who held bigoted views until they died of old age. Maybe those are the ones we should spend more time focusing on—-and the ones still alive today
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    Yet another leftist who has no clue about Christianity, will never make the effort to understand it, yet will still try to talk to you about it from a position of authority. Buddy, look up what the Bible says about it. And then understand that MLK was a Reverend. How do you think you were going to talk him out of his freaking RELIGION, buddy?

  61. WhenTrump shuts his pie hole about sports, we can stop commenting about politics in this space.

  62. thank you for taking a stand
    those racist comments and thats what they are
    should be ignored
    America dream is that everybody is created equal
    and each should have an equal opportunity to share in its wealth
    there are some that cannot get over the thought that a black American man/woman should have these same rights
    nothing will ever change them, they are the ugly side of America
    that trump has brought to the forefront

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