Malcolm Jenkins: Discussions like I had with Drew Brees are what America needs

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When Saints safety Malcolm Jenkins heard Drew Brees conflate kneeling during the national anthem with disrespecting America, he was not happy. But Jenkins believes the fallout from that was productive.

Jenkins said Monday on The Daily Show that he hopes more Americans, black and white alike, will sit down and have honest conversations like he had with Brees.

“I think my interaction with Drew is a microcosm to what we need to do as a country,” Jenkins said, via Nola.com.

Jenkins said he gave Brees an honest account of how he felt when he heard Brees’ comments, and Brees listened thoughtfully. That’s the most important thing all of us can ask of each other.

“We try to move to a post-racial type of society and move on from our past without actually addressing the history and the way that our past pretty much paints the present,” Jenkins said. “And until we change the direction that we’re going, until we change the systems that were put in place in the past, we’ll always be tethered to that. And I think that starts with truth.”

Jenkins, to his credit, gave Brees the truth. And Brees, to his credit, listened.

80 responses to “Malcolm Jenkins: Discussions like I had with Drew Brees are what America needs

  1. Brees rapidly did an about face on his original comments when his agent told him it would damage his endorsement deals.

  2. “Jenkins said he gave Brees an honest account of how he felt when he heard Brees’ comments, and Brees listened thoughtfully. That’s the most important thing all of us can ask of each other.”

    So it wasn’t really a two way discussion.

  3. Who decides which groups get to decide what’s truth and who gets to give truth to others?

    Is it ok if I give you and Jenkins some trutb?

  4. It wasn’t a “discussion”, Brees was bullied by Jenkins and vilified for having a different opinion.

  5. What people like Malcolm Jenkins are unable to process is that Brees is also entitled to an opinion.

    This is still America, correct?

  6. “Jenkins said he gave Brees an honest account of how he felt when he heard Brees’ comments, and Brees listened thoughtfully. That’s the most important thing all of us can ask of each other.”

    And did Malcolm Jenkins listen “thoughtfully” to Drew Brees’ point of view? Of course not. He lectured to him, and Brees took it. Any point of view that doesn’t fall in line with Malcolm’s in particular, and BLM’s in general, is racist and won’t be tolerated.

  7. Now that he knows the Truth does that mean Malcolm is ok if Drew stands for the National Anthem?

  8. I am so glad that a small percentage of the population thinks they have to educate everyone else.

  9. The comments frequently seen here are reminders that America has never really dealt with the aftermath of slavery in this country, kicking the can down the street for future generations to manage. Well, we may be at the end of the street and, folks, it’s time to start the long journey to equality for all. Quit complaining about perceived slights and let’s hold this nation to it’s original promise for all.

  10. You mean Brees wilted under the pressure of the mob.
    In this country, you need to stand up for what you believe in and if you believe that kneeling for the anthem is disrespectful then you need to say that. These are your feelings and no one can take them away from you. Especially, when they try the gratuitous insult of “you’re a racist” if you don’t support kneeling. Cowering when this false accusation is made is a sign of weakness and subservience.
    It’s disingenuous to wilt like this because to be clear–Brees opinion probably has not changed at all so we have not moved this issue any farther down the road.
    The only solution to this is changing the conversation and removing the flag from the equation. Then we can truly come together and support this cause as there won’t be a split of allegiances.
    Especially with all of these monuments that are being torn down. Now is not the time to put country second over anything. Stand up for the great nation that has given you the ability to protest.
    If you don’t fight for this nation then the mob wins, then what?
    We all look like Seattle?

  11. So what America needs is to shut up and be berated by the people who see racism in every nook and cranny and believe their view is the only view…

    Riiiightttt… America’s gonna get right on that.

  12. So… did Jenkins listen to Brees? Or is this another example of conflating “compromise” with “concede to my view”. Sure sounds like the latter given it’s completely possible for kneeling to be both about racial justice and disrespecting the Flag and/or America…

  13. Honest conversations are good. Someone can tell Jenkins that you don’t fight with the cops when you’re being arrested for breaking the law.

  14. Impossible in today’s dumbed down society to conceive that someone could possibly agree with the message and disagree with the method of delivery.

  15. Nobody is preventing you from having an opinion, but don’t demand to be respected for it.

  16. Wow, I didn’t realize Malcom Jenkins holds a monopoly on the truth. We are so lucky to be in his presence.

  17. lks311 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 9:59 am
    The comments frequently seen here are reminders that America has never really dealt with the aftermath of slavery in this country, kicking the can down the street for future generations to manage. Well, we may be at the end of the street and, folks, it’s time to start the long journey to equality for all. Quit complaining about perceived slights and let’s hold this nation to it’s original promise for all.————————————————————- The aftermath? Its been 150 years since slavery ended. Stop living in the past. Stop blaming something that none of us alive today had a thing to do with. Once you get past history, you will be able to move on.

  18. OH I see Malcolm. A “Discussion” like “If he doesn’t agree with me calling America systemically racist and that Kneeling in front of the FLAG because you think the FLAG stands for EVIL”, then his OPINION is just wrong? And your conclusion is that “he just doesn’t understand, poor guy.”

    And he is essentially forced to apologize and change his views to keep harmony on the team and function in his job and post NFL career?

    You mean THAT kind of “discussion”?

  19. Slavery may be a thing of the past
    but the racism still remains
    embedded within institutions
    like the police – originally created to catch runaway slaves
    and
    monuments to confederate traitors –
    erected whenever former slaves and their descendants asked for America
    to fulfill it’s promises
    to all people

  20. “So it wasn’t really a two way discussion.”

    It shouldn’t have to be when the justification for killing or hating someone is simply their skin color.

    But the sulky racists will hold on tight for a long time to come I’m sure.

  21. even after these discussions
    Brees will probably go out and vote for Trump
    I doubt he has learned much

  22. ” Someone can tell Jenkins that you don’t fight with the cops when you’re being arrested for breaking the law.”

    Someone tell the cops they don’t get to kill someone for simple resisting or shoot them in the back when they’re running away and present no mortal threat to anyone.

    Oh that’s right millions of people around the globe have been doing just that and the cops don’t like it that they are being held accountable.

  23. Interesting phenomenon going on in the sports world. Players want to lecture other players, owners, on their listening for their movement. Yet the ones who have said quote miss treatment of my brothers and sisters have completely turned a blind eve on the reality of what is taking place on the streets. The actions of what has become out of control mobs are doing exactly what the players want all of us to hear. The total destructions of street after street, the looting and total disregard to human life. Video after video of mobs beating on people and these individuals take videos of what they are doing. . What families teach this attitude. The words of players , racist, offended and mistreatment, have not left their lips on the reality on the streets. This is the truth, overlooked by the sports world.

  24. ringheadcrusher says:
    June 23, 2020 at 10:09 am
    So what America needs is to shut up and be berated by the people who see racism in every nook and cranny and believe their view is the only view…

    Riiiightttt… America’s gonna get right on that.

    RingheadCrusher?

    Same one from old Raiders forumns?

  25. The Redskins are fortunate to have a supremely talented quarterback who happens to be a person of color. Dwayne Haskins didn’t rest of his star status; he marched in the protest. Dwayne’s background sensitized him to the racial justice issues confronting the country without the need to be educated by a teammate. That is not a knock on Drew. But it shows that diversity broadens perspectives. With someone like Dwayne Haskins at the helm, the future shineS bright for Washington, both on the field and in the community.

  26. covidiots says:
    June 23, 2020 at 10:44 am
    ” Someone can tell Jenkins that you don’t fight with the cops when you’re being arrested for breaking the law.”

    Someone tell the cops they don’t get to kill someone for simple resisting or shoot them in the back when they’re running away and present no mortal threat to anyone.

    Oh that’s right millions of people around the globe have been doing just that and the cops don’t like it that they are being held accountable.——————————————————————————————————————————– You do relize that the millions only represent about 1% of the population. That there are more people happy with the police. The out number the 1% by about 50 or more.

  27. still so many excuses, hatred and lack of understanding. The human race is doomed to repeat it’s erroneous ways as long as there are so many that refuse to acknowledge there is a verifiable problem. I get many of you don’t want to be blamed for something you did not do, but this is real, I have lived it daily through 48 states and over 50 years. Please find a way to open up and at least try to make the world a better place for all of us, not just one group of people, spread love, not hate, and yes we will run into hurdles, but if we work together we can get past them

  28. “Jenkins said he gave Brees an honest account of how he felt when he heard Brees’ comments, and Brees listened thoughtfully.
    —Was this before or after he told Drew to Shut The F Up?

  29. It can’t be an honest conversation if one is held hostage to losing their jobs for speaking their mind.

  30. How about Mr Jenkins stop talking the talk and start walking the walk and do something , like I dunno gather up that mass of protesters and march into a high crime area and clean it out , oh wait there are evil people mixed in with innocents and they will shoot you … well I’ll just kneel during the anthem … that’ll show’em ! Real brave there my man.

  31. Howie let Jenkins walk from the Eagles and most fans were upset with Howie. Not anymore…

  32. People are entitled to their own opinions. They are NOT entitled to their own facts.

    Too many people think that opinions are the same as facts, and that is a huge part of the problem

  33. Conversation and reconciliation.
    Recognize the system is corrupt. People can be redeemed, but the system must be dismantled.

  34. Here is the sound of “conflation”, as the article puts it: “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color,” Kaepernick told NFL Media in an exclusive interview after the game.

  35. “But the sulky racists will hold on tight for a long time to come I’m sure.”

    And there it is.

    Can’t win a debate with facts or statistics?
    That’s ok, just blame racism.

  36. So it’s OK for Jenkins to feel one way, and not for Brees to have a differing opinion without triggering every SJW on the planet. It’s sickening. These guys are complete hypocrites. And it sickens me that Brees didn’t stand by his original statement.

  37. lks311 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 9:59 am
    The comments frequently seen here are reminders that America has never really dealt with the aftermath of slavery in this country, kicking the can down the street for future generations to manage. Well, we may be at the end of the street and, folks, it’s time to start the long journey to equality for all. Quit complaining about perceived slights and let’s hold this nation to it’s original promise for all.
    ______________________________________________-
    ….well said.

    all else is deflection.

  38. rodgerstonelson says:
    June 23, 2020 at 10:27 am

    The aftermath? Its been 150 years since slavery ended. Stop living in the past. Stop blaming something that none of us alive today had a thing to do with. Once you get past history, you will be able to move on.
    _______________________________________
    ….you’ve traded in the hoods for board memberships and we’ve traded in the tattered clothes for suits….what do you call an educated person of color? what do the police see when your a person of color in your suit driving your car? Ill tell you……u know the word.

    #nothinghaschanged

  39. ““But the sulky racists will hold on tight for a long time to come I’m sure.”

    And there it is.

    Can’t win a debate with facts or statistics?
    That’s ok, just blame racism.”

    White fascism/racism is one of the greatest evils in human history, there’s not much to debate its been well proven over and over again.

    Fascists murdered over 11 million in their death camps and cause the deaths of over 60 million worldwide in WWII

    Apartheid in South Africa reinforced the fact. Racism here in the US as well. If you think racism is some sort of political debate shame on you

  40. Anyone not caught up in emotion and is willing to look at the facts knows that the police are not biased. What really needs to happen is Jenkins needs to acknowledge those facts.

  41. mschurm1 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 12:10 pm
    Anyone not caught up in emotion and is willing to look at the facts knows that the police are not biased. What really needs to happen is Jenkins needs to acknowledge those facts.

    I’ll add Where is the proof that any of the police involved shootings were a result of racism?

    If you make that conclusion without any proof, you should check your own racism.

  42. lots of people like to say that there is no police problem, just a few “bad apples.” if that were the case, the bad apple situation would work itself out, as the good apples would do whatever it takes to rout out the bad apples, ya know, to maintain the good reputation of policing.

  43. Dear Malcom, Kap, Bandwagon, Guilty & Naive Progressives, Internet Lynch Mob, Uneducated Gen Y & Gen Z,

    You can’t see racism in a picture or video. Get facts on each case. Get crime stats. Then sit down and have an educated conversation about social problems.

    Sincerely,
    Unaffiliated

  44. You mine talking to a spineless white guy who is only worried about endorsements over his own beliefs

  45. I have asked a dozen people this question and have not gotten a response. What did Drew Brees say that so offensive? I would really love to know the answer to this.

  46. Lots of white fragility in here. I wonder how you guys can watch sports with all the black people in it. Oh that’s right you want people to play for your teams and not be heard.

  47. There is no avenue for “discussion”! As soon as you don’t complete agree with Jenkins or anyone else, you’re branded a “racist”!
    A lot of political capital in continually being a “victim”!

  48. Good grief. All Malcom did was bully Brees into going silent with his beliefs. The ‘woke’ NFL has just gone backwards 40 years with this and I really think their ratings will go backwards as well-

  49. Ok, so if truths are being exchanged, am I allowed to present what I believe my truths are to be, or do I have to sit there and listen?

    Am I allowed to present my thoughts on racism in the other direction? Why I give little credence to BLM as it focuses on one specific group? How there appears to be no accountability for actions?

    Asking for a friend…

  50. bajer:

    The human race is doomed to repeat it’s erroneous ways as long as there are so many that refuse to acknowledge there is a verifiable problem. I get many of you don’t want to be blamed for something you did not do, but this is real, I have lived it daily through 48 states and over 50 years. Please find a way to open up and at least try to make the world a better place for all of us, not just one group of people, spread love, not hate, and yes we will run into hurdles, but if we work together we can get past them

    ——————————————————————-

    You’re not the human race. You’re not the world. That mindset is coupled with the notion of being too big to fail. You’re not. You’re just a single nation too inward looking to progress.

    You won’t repeat yourself if you refuse to acknowledge the problem, you’ll just fade away.

  51. Yes, Jenkins is correct. We need more freedom of speech and less censorship in this country. That means tearing down more statues, banning flags that we don’t like, removing presidents from our dollar bills, destroying Mount Rushmore, removing longtime established logos from store products, altering definitions to words in dictionaries, forming mobs and disturbing the peace, dismantling police departments, and forcing people to consume our ideology. This is all sarcasm.

  52. The main problem with Kaepernick’s protest is that most people simply accept that his claims are true when in fact they are false. The horrific incidents of police crimes are exceptions in the extreme. Statistics prove this resoundingly.

    Sadly, the “journalists” of the mainstream media are not doing their jobs but instead are now propagandists pushing the anti/cop, anti-American leftist agenda for which Kaepernick’ is a primary spokesperson.

    So the real discussion that needs to happen is comparing BLM claims with actual facts and the truth. But Malcolm Jenkins doesn’t want a real discussion nor a real evaluation of actual facts.

  53. rodgerstonelson says:
    June 23, 2020 at 10:27 am
    lks311 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 9:59 am
    The comments frequently seen here are reminders that America has never really dealt with the aftermath of slavery in this country, kicking the can down the street for future generations to manage. Well, we may be at the end of the street and, folks, it’s time to start the long journey to equality for all. Quit complaining about perceived slights and let’s hold this nation to it’s original promise for all.————————————————————- The aftermath? Its been 150 years since slavery ended. Stop living in the past. Stop blaming something that none of us alive today had a thing to do with. Once you get past history, you will be able to move on.

    Spoken like a TWG that really doesn’t understand…or care…how slavery still, and the subsequent institutional, works. You all are either willfully blind or…well I can’t say it because my comments will never see the light of day…but, it’s clear you don’t get it. Nor will you ever.

  54. Well the sequence of events was:
    1) Jenkins goes to social media instead of picking up the phone
    2) Jenkins tells him to “shut the F up”
    3) Brees, who has poured an absolute ton of time, effort and money into the city of New Orleans, essentially “repents” lest he be forced into retirement

    I don’t know if this is what America needs, but it’s a great microcosm of what we currently have, basically assuming the absolute worst of everyone without trying to have an adult conversation.

    Was quite disappointed in Malcolm here after closely following his career as an Eagle. He was a great, great Eagle who had a ton to do with their SB title, and this doesn’t take that away, but he always struck me as a more thoughtful guy than this.

  55. youcanthandlethetruth says:
    June 23, 2020 at 1:56 pm
    ———————————–

    You are 2oo% correct. This is the garbage info age. Half-truth (equals full lie) + Incredibility (social media) + Politicization = People believing and hoping on the bandwagon. Stick with Credible, Unbiased Info and Facts. Correlation is not causation.

  56. Nobody wants to see between the lines. Athletes and politicos hitching their wagons to causes for street cred and pandering. They’ve already become marginalized because the biggest factor in life, money, has kept them away. When we start believing athletes and musicians and ignoring facts by simply getting enraged on random sensationalism our society is doomed. Sure racism is real but none of this is actually about race. This is crime, brutality, education and opportunity issues. It’s universal with all races.

  57. Serious question which is more dangerous a white guy going into a black community or a black guy going into a white community?
    Weird how no mentions how many black policemen have been murdered over these protests … face its nothing too do with race. Criminals are criminals.

  58. What Drew did was clearly wrong, factually incorrect, and hurtful to New Orleans. And if you are a Saints fan, you have to understand that Drew works in an office where he is in the minority as well. It’s shameful that he works in such an environment and was so unaware of the issues his coworkers face on a daily basis. Nevertheless, Jenkins willingness to educate Drew and have a frank discussion is exactly what needed to happen and apparently needs to happen with plenty of the PFT commenters.

    I just want to reiterate that this has little to do with only having some opinion in a vacuum. Saying that Drew’s opinion is controlled is absurd.

  59. lks311 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 2:23 pm
    rodgerstonelson says:
    June 23, 2020 at 10:27 am
    lks311 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 9:59 am
    The comments frequently seen here are reminders that America has never really dealt with the aftermath of slavery in this country, kicking the can down the street for future generations to manage. Well, we may be at the end of the street and, folks, it’s time to start the long journey to equality for all. Quit complaining about perceived slights and let’s hold this nation to it’s original promise for all.————————————————————- The aftermath? Its been 150 years since slavery ended. Stop living in the past. Stop blaming something that none of us alive today had a thing to do with. Once you get past history, you will be able to move on.

    Spoken like a TWG that really doesn’t understand…or care…how slavery still, and the subsequent institutional, works. You all are either willfully blind or…well I can’t say it because my comments will never see the light of day…but, it’s clear you don’t get it. Nor will you ever.—————————————————————————————— My grandparents were full blooded Cherokee. I could boo hoo all day long about the travesties that took place with Native Americans. But its past history and that is not going to change.

    So to answer your question….no I do not care what happened 150 years ago. As I can not change history? How many more years do we need for you to get over it? Move on and be happy its history. Because it could still be going on here. Like it is in other places off the world.

  60. IF this is what people think “having a discussion” should look like, then we’re in more trouble than any of you realize.

  61. samapoc says:
    June 23, 2020 at 4:22 pm
    What Drew did was clearly wrong, factually incorrect, and hurtful to New Orleans.

    Samapoc, maybe you can finally answer my question. What did Drew Brees day that was so wrong/offensive?

  62. samapoc says:

    What Drew did was clearly wrong, factually incorrect, and hurtful to New Orleans.
    ===================================================

    People like you are the problem.

  63. What a country in which we live?! Brees is SHAMED into an apology and somehow that’s good, honest and right? What’s next? All the $$$ and support he pumped into New Orleans was a ruse of white privilege just to make him look better? Did he apologize for that yet?

  64. Is Jenkins boasting? Did Drew cave? That it would seem is what a great many people think. I see it different, I think Drew had his opinions about politics, and saw it as his right and for others it was their right. But with these recent events Drew as leader of his team felt it was wise to listen, and saw wisdom in changing his outlook on this issue. He did this I believe for his team and because he is a leader, and because he has learned the value of listening to his friends and fellow ‘warriors’. I am sure that Drew’s opinions on country and flag have not really changed all that much, but he has made way for the pain and anguish that his teammates and their families have had to deal with throughout their lives. Drew deserves much credit and if the NFL plays this year, I think his wisdom will show with respect to his and his teams ability to do well on the field.

  65. crush22 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 10:37 am
    The card is been outplayed. Overkill on the situation is not helping your case.

    ——–

    Spot-on observation……it seems that Jenkins is unable to have this conversation with just Drew Brees….he seems determined to have it through the media so that he can pile on.

  66. What America needs is to not just focus on racism, but also the type of gang gun violence coming from inner cities like Chicago. A three year old toddler was gunned down while sitting in a car and I’m not seeing the outrage from anyone outside of the city of Chicago! “Do we just turn our heads and look the other way?”

  67. Racists have their panties in a bunch because they are now getting called on it in public more often.

  68. The real problems of society in general no matter what race are not gonna be rectified by symbolic gestures, cancelling others opinions and trying to bully people into submission. Corporate America, main stream media and many politicians don’t want the masses to think for themselves they want you to follow their ideals. Toppling statues, kneeling during the national anthem and re-naming institutions are superficial “victories” designed to placate the weak minded. Tantamount to putting a SpongeBob band aid on a severed artery.

  69. wdwd1984 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 5:15 pm
    samapoc says:
    June 23, 2020 at 4:22 pm
    What Drew did was clearly wrong, factually incorrect, and hurtful to New Orleans.

    Samapoc, maybe you can finally answer my question. What did Drew Brees day that was so wrong/offensive?

    Drew completely failed to understand why or what kapernick was protesting and went on a weird soap box about the military and flag because he thought that was what the protesting was about. He lacked both empathy and compassion, as he admitted in his follow up comments. To be that insensitive is so stupid and pointless that it’s hard to know where to start in explaining it to somebody who can’t see what was “wrong/offensive”.

    That people who think it’s totally cool to be insensitive because they are insensitive people are the rot of America. If anyone is hurting it doesn’t help our country get stronger—quite the opposite. So these people are offensive to me as a human being.

    When Drew failed to appreciate the basic human dignity degradation experienced by Kap and also by all people of color, he hurt people around him who seek him out as a source for positivity. Ignoring the obvious problem with policing in the United States to make yet another military push missed the point and was offensive in its insensitivity to the issues being protested, during a time when those issues are being pushed to the forefront of society. Hard to believe anyone is that out of it ion 2020.

    If this isn’t good enough for you haters I refer you to Malcolm Jenkins.

  70. Samapoc, thanks for clearing that up for me. I think I’m beginning to see what the problem is. People are becoming too sensitive.

  71. I have lost respect for Drew Brees. There is no way he should have apologized, no way he should have been shamed to apologize, and no way he should have caved on his NON RACIST personal beliefs.

  72. ringheadcrusher says:
    June 23, 2020 at 10:09 am
    So what America needs is to shut up and be berated by the people who see racism in every nook and cranny and believe their view is the only view…

    Riiiightttt… America’s gonna get right on that.

    We will continue until all racism is gone!

  73. lks311 says:
    June 23, 2020 at 9:59 am
    The comments frequently seen here are reminders that America has never really dealt with the aftermath of slavery in this country, kicking the can down the street for future generations to manage. Well, we may be at the end of the street and, folks, it’s time to start the long journey to equality for all. Quit complaining about perceived slights and let’s hold this nation to it’s original promise for all.
    —————————————————–

    Amen.

    The abolition of slavery did not make freed slaves “equal” by any means. Racism has remained rampant in this country. White America can’t say “you’ve had 150 years, get over it” because it hasn’t been 150 years of equality, or anything even close. Many refuse to even consider that their life is significantly different than that of minorities living in impoverished areas.

    It’s not as simple as “improve yourself” when landlords, banks, cops, schools, employers, etc. have been proven to have systemic racism.

    How can anyone be so foolish and naive to think that racism isn’t a problem in our society – not to mention around the world? Get outside your propaganda bubble and find the truth and the reality. People aren’t angry in the streets for nothing.

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