A “brawl” could be coming among players over guaranteed money

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There’s optimism that the NFL and NFL Players Association will work out a deal regarding the financial aspects of pro football in a pandemic. There’s concern regarding the ability of the players to resolve one important aspect of the financial equation.

Players with fully-guaranteed salaries want their money. Players with non-guaranteed salaries, who will lose some of their money in the event of lost games, aren’t necessarily sympathetic to the plight of the players with fully-guaranteed salaries.

Most NFL players have non-guaranteed salaries. Most first-round picks get four years of fully-guaranteed salaries; most second-round picks have two years of full guarantees. Star players in the early years of their veteran contracts usually have fully-guaranteed contracts.

Most members of NFLPA leadership don’t have fully-guaranteed contracts. To the extent that a majority vote happens among the Executive Committee or the board of plater representatives or the full rank and file, players with fully-guaranteed salaries would not get full pay in the event that games aren’t played.

“It’s splitting the have’s and have-not’s,” one source told PFT this morning. Another source said a “brawl” could be coming between the star players with sizable guaranteed salaries and the players with non-guaranteed pay.

Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott, for example, has a fully-guaranteed franchise-tag salary of $31.4 million. As written, the CBA entitles him to all of that, if only one game is played in 2020. He could lose $1.9625 million per game (he made $2 million for all of 2019) if the NFLPA agrees that players with fully-guaranteed contracts will be paid based on the number of games played.

The split in some cities could get awkward. In Green Bay, starting quarterback Aaron Rodgers has a non-guaranteed salary for 2020. His backup, first-rounder Jordan Love, has a fully-guaranteed contract.

A source suggested earlier this week that, if the players with fully-guaranteed salaries have their rights undermined by a revised NFL-NFLPA agreement, they could explore whatever rights they may have (and they may have few or none) to exit the union or pursue legal remedies. For some players (like Prescott), the numbers are very significant. For other players, a decision was made to accept fully-guaranteed salary in lieu of signing bonus or offseason roster bonus in order to help a team with salary cap or cash-flow issues. Those players have every reason to be upset if they lose money that they would have had if they’d insisted on another former of payment.

Regardless of how it works out, this issue needs to be fully resolved among NFL players with sharply different interests before the interests of the NFL and NFLPA can be harmonized.

38 responses to “A “brawl” could be coming among players over guaranteed money

  1. I am pretty sure the players signed actual contracts that spell out the terms of their deals. So that is on them, if they dont like what they signed. I am not sure what there would be to “brawl” about?

    If they wanted fully gauranteed money, they should have held out for it. Even though if I was an owner, I would look someewhere else if that was their demand.

  2. Let’s keep this simple: if the NFL plays less than a full season, any player who doesn’t see prorated salaries as a common-sense requirement of dealing with such a shortened season is simply an unreasonable doody. I say that while also understanding that people have the right to be selfish doodies, but that doesn’t change what their actions say. We are in a pandemic; the pandemic has prevented business as usual; it makes sense for everyone to work together to deal with the resulting negative impacts; a shortened season hurts revenues; it makes sense for players to not receive full pay in such a circumstance, especially given that they wouldn’t be fully “earning” in spirit what they are called upon to do (there is a reason players get paid by week during the season, and not monthly or bi-weekly over an entire year). That isn’t their fault, but none of this is anyone’s fault, except perhaps a country that may have created this pandemic and/or failed to act appropriately to stem the tide of the disease. Common sense minor sacrifices by everyone can help to lead to a more fair outcome…conversely, we live in a largely free country, and people have full right to push for their full share if that is what motivates them. But, in that case, the rest of us have the right to call a spade a spade.

  3. Pro athletes and teachers both don’t want to go back to work but both want to get paid their full salaries. Can’t have it both ways.

  4. Forgive me for not having any sympathy for either side in this. I work 40+ a week for a living.

  5. A non issue since No regular season games will he played in 2020.

    The owners are going to do everything possible to make the players look greedy and non-negotiable. They always win.

  6. As Florio pointed out in an earlier piece, if the shoe were on the other foot the owners would almost assuredly say (as they have in the past) “Hey, a deal’s a deal. You signed the contract, you live up to it.”

  7. Pro athletes and teachers both don’t want to go back to work but both want to get paid their full salaries. Can’t have it both ways.

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    not all of us are scared of going back to work. sign me up for going back, regardless of what the year looks like. and hint, im not a pro athlete

  8. “if the NFL plays less than a full season, any player who doesn’t see prorated salaries as a common-sense requirement of dealing with such a shortened season is simply an unreasonable doody.”
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    Problem is the league is filled with guys like that. Dak is a perfect example because he could have had a gigantic long-term deal but demanded “just a little more.” How likely is he to graciously give some of the money back when he already views himself as being underpaid?

  9. MortimerInMiami says:
    July 24, 2020 at 10:29 am
    A non issue since No regular season games will he played in 2020.
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    That ship has sailed.
    They’re playing.
    Sorry you’re disappointed.

  10. The problem at its root is the ego of being “the highest paid”. That is where guaranteed vs non guaranteed and all these other cap devices and contract terms. If the NFLPA had stuck to guaranteed contracts and stopped adding all the marshmellow terms to make the agents look better and give the owners ways to maneuver around the salary cap, we would be having this conversation.

  11. I’m worried if my Mother in law will get an extension on her $600/week unemployment benefits from Covid. That’s a real world problem. This crap? Nope, not very sympathetic.
    What these guys are crying about does not sit well with me.
    Grow up and be grateful. You’re all millionaires already.

  12. This is getting tiresome.

    And perhaps the greatest threat to all sports leagues – NFL included – is that there are people like me have gotten along OK without sports for a few months and have come to the realization that we don’t really miss it THAT much.

    Would I like to see football this fall? Sure.

    Will I really care that much if I don’t? No, I won’t.

    Owners and players alike should be afraid of fan disinterest growing to a critical level. And they’re not afraid at all – they take fans for granted.

  13. There is no problem here – any player who does not play the entire schedule should have their incomplete year added to their obligation to the team and then they’ll get their money. If a player VOLUNTARILY leaves, they should get minimum wage for their lost time. And I mean MINIMUM WAGE.

    A player whose money is guaranteed should not be able to use the excuse of a pandemic to collect money they didn’t earn. And if they collect any guaranteed money, they should also have that amount of games tacked onto their obligation for the team and they would be obligated to complete that before they could negotiate with that team or the team has locked in the rights to the player when he pays back money he didn’t earn.

  14. Owners and players alike should be afraid of fan disinterest growing to a critical level. And they’re not afraid at all – they take fans for granted.

    They won’t care about the fans until it starts hitting them in the pocketbook….then they’ll care about the fans again. I’m sick of these whining millionaire players though.

  15. I’ve always maintained that there won’t be games. If there is no concessions from the players, there is no way the owners will eat all of the loss unilaterally.
    They will agree on delays, but the line in the sand is prior to game 1. If no agreement from the players, no game 1.
    They can agree on distributing the spreading out the cap losses, but 10 years is nonsense. A player non even in college yet will be subsidizing these players throughout the life of his first pro contract. Spread it over 3 years max. Everybody is making financial adjustments. You too, teams and players.

  16. I wish I had time for this. I’m just trying to keep my family safe. The pandemic has crippled our income.

  17. “For other players, a decision was made to accept fully-guaranteed salary in lieu of signing bonus or offseason roster bonus in order to help a team with salary cap or cash-flow issues. Those players have every reason to be upset if they lose money that they would have had if they’d insisted on another former of payment.”

    Hindsight is 20/20 and works both ways. Do you think the owners would have offered the bonus option versus salary had they envisioned this situation? It is hypocritical to say that the players should get special treatment because they didn’t realize this could have happened and then not support the repayment of signing bonuses because the owners could not have anticipated that this would happen when they gave out bonus language in a contract versus salary.

  18. The players with fully guaranteed contracts will do great, obviously. The players without fully guaranteed contracts, which is most of them, will be in the same bucket as most other workers in the US.

  19. I have a simple solution to this problem. Just play all the games.

  20. Camps open, guaranties will be negotiated in the back ground, final cuts made and then on Tuesday the 8th the 32 entities that can (reluctantly) take the financial hit of no season walk away from the negotiating table.

    Hopefully, a fallout ensues…pissed fan base…lower revenues…lower salaries…no 2021 free agency…(2) 2021 rookie classes…a lot of over paid vets learning that full time isn’t 40 hours it’s in the 50 to 60 range.

    If we all have a new normal I think pro athletes need a taste!

  21. I don’t know why everyone is so concerned about these labor negotiations. This isn’t something us as fans need to have an opinion about. Both sides are going to look out for their own best interest. One side is not more greedy than the other. Both sides have arguments in their favor. Both sides will yell about how unfair the other side is being, and then will either come to a deal or won’t.

  22. NFL fan hypocrisy: Exhibit #135234.

    When players don’t uphold their end of a contract, people lose their minds screaming remarks like “You signed a contract — honor it!”

    When players contracts include stipulations around guaranteed pay, fans all of a sudden act like contracts mean nothing.

  23. supercharger says:
    July 24, 2020 at 10:23 am
    Pro athletes and teachers both don’t want to go back to work but both want to get paid their full salaries. Can’t have it both ways.

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    The teachers and educational professionals I know would love to go back to work, albeit in a safe environment. This old-timey, paternalistic “people are inherently lazy/don’t wont’t work” crap is a very strange way of thinking during a pandemic.

  24. mmmpierogi says:

    When players contracts include stipulations around guaranteed pay, fans all of a sudden act like contracts mean nothing
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    Wrong. Players could have held out for a gauranteed contract. Kirk Cousins did it (vikes to blame for that). They cant whine now if they dont like the signing bonus they chose over gauranteed pay. Players have the choice to pick the verbage in their contract if the team thinks they are worth their ask.

  25. supercharger says:
    July 24, 2020 at 10:23 am

    Pro athletes and teachers both don’t want to go back to work but both want to get paid their full salaries. Can’t have it both ways.

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    No comparison…teachers are essential and mostly underpaid; NFL players are overpaid and non-essential. Plenty of players out there would love to be in NFL. NFLPA board is made up of essentially non-essential even by NFL standards players.

  26. If the NFL cancels the season, the players should get paid.

    If the players refuse to play, they should not get paid.

    It’s pretty simple.

  27. IF the NFL cancels the season, nobody should get paid. That is no different than if a company shuts down…the employees are laid off. They should get unemployment like the rest of us that are out of work.

    If the players refuse to play out of concern of getting sick, then they should not get paid. that is how it works for the rest of us.

  28. no games, no pay. just reality in the REAL WORLD. they could always get a 40 hour week job and punch the clock if they are unhappy with the millions.

  29. MortimerInMiami says:
    July 24, 2020 at 10:29 am
    A non issue since No regular season games will he played in 2020.

    The owners are going to do everything possible to make the players look greedy and non-negotiable. They always win.
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    And you think playing less then half a season, but wanting to get paid for an entire season is not greedy? Yes, the boss usually wins over the employee.

  30. This is exactly the owner’s plan. They can afford to scrap a 2020 NFL season that will bring in a paltry income.

    They are slow playing the safety plans, etc.
    And they are gaming it to pit players against each other, and make it look like the players don’t want to play.

    Very smart.

  31. It looks like money may have a better chance of cancelling the season then the virus. I’m not surprised.

  32. OK let’s use Dak, Jordan Love and Rodgers for examples, if they play 1 game Dak and Love get their whole seasons pay since it’s guaranteed and Rodgers would only get 1 game check since he has no guarantees in his contract, FAIR HUH? This fight isn’t going to be resolved anytime soon and the fights over playing, for how much are going to be far more entertaining than the season since they’re all going to look like HS JV teams after having very little practice, a limit of 20 persons in the facility at a time and no pre-season games, it’s going to be a very UGLY year of football, that’s if there even is one!

    THIS SEASON ISN’T EVEN GOING TO RESEMBLE AN NFL SEASON, so the extra-curricular activities will outdo game play for entertainment purposes!

    And I can’t wait until the fight over next years cap starts, we could see a strike over that especially if the owners insist on taking the whole hit over just next season which they should instead if over the 11yrs of the new CBA the way the players want, there’s no reason that players who aren’t even in the league yet should have to take part of the hit 3-4, 6 or 8yrs down the road, that wouldn’t be fair to them! I know these players today didn’t have anything to do with the coronavirus BUT these players caused what will be a lot of this lost revenue with all of their protesting and they should take that hit themselves, not players that’ll be coming into the league in 3-5 or 7yrs from now.

  33. HagemeisterPark says:
    July 24, 2020 at 1:12 pm

    Wrong. Players could have held out for a gauranteed contract. Kirk Cousins did it (vikes to blame for that). They cant whine now if they dont like the signing bonus they chose over gauranteed pay. Players have the choice to pick the verbage in their contract if the team thinks they are worth their ask.
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    Nope. Teams insist on paying signing bonuses rather than roster bonuses or other types of guarantees because they can spread the signing bonus over the length of the contract. That means the contract fits under the salary cap better and the player makes more money. A player shouldn’t be criticized for taking a signing bonus.

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