Bruce Arians, Tom Brady say he knew it was fourth down

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If Tom Brady didn’t know it was fourth down on his incomplete pass to Cameron Brate Thursday night, neither he or head coach Bruce Arians are willing to say so.

Brady was asked after the game if he knew it was fourth down when he tried to rip a pass into a well-covered Brate down the field.

“I knew we needed a chunk and I was thinking about more yardage and then, you know, it was just, it was bad execution. We had a great opportunity there. So just didn’t execute when we needed do,” Brady told reporters after the game.

“We just… you’re up against the clock and I knew we had to gain a chunk so I should have been thinking more first down instead of chunk on that down.”

After the play, Brady didn’t immediately head toward the bench and was holding up four fingers in the air as if he anticipated another down was forthcoming.

There was not.

Brady fired incomplete for Mike Evans on first-and-10. Dumped a check down to Ke'Shawn Vaughn for four yards on second down, fired off the hands of Rob Gronkowski on third down before the throw to Brate was broken up by DeAndre Houston-Carson on fourth down.

Arians also said that Brady was aware of what down it was.

“Yeah, he knew. He knew,” Arians said.

70 responses to “Bruce Arians, Tom Brady say he knew it was fourth down

  1. He’s a compulsive liar and multiple time convicted cheater. Why would anyone believe anything this fraud has to say.

  2. I totally appreciate coach standing up for his qb, but the video seen nationwide makes it clear there was little chance of brady knowing that was 4th down. Just doesn’t do much for credibility of coach Arians.

  3. He didn’t know….it’s obvious. Getting old does that. I’m a decade older than he is…this sort of thing happens…Nice win Bears!

  4. The quote from Brady just says that he was thinking more about getting a chunk of yardage than getting the first down. He doesn’t say in the quote that he knew it was fourth down, just that his focus was on yards and not the down.

    Arians is the one who lies and says Brady knew. Pretty clear that he didn’t know. As much as I like Brady it was a clear mental gaffe. Brady is his own harshest critic though. He will be fuming at himself all week and you can be sure he will clean that up.

  5. What a great example to set for young coaches, players, and fans. Why lie? Is everyone incapable oof owning their mistakes?

  6. You’re not in Bean Town any more, Tommy. The days of the tuck rule, under-inflated balls, tape of opponent’s signals, and 5 downs are gone. Welcome to competitive football, pal!

  7. He 100% didn’t know it was fourth down. We all know it and he will NEVER admit it. Just like when he lied and said he had nothing to do with deflating footballs.

    Anyone who believes Brady on anything at this point needs to wake up.

  8. He either did not know, or he is one heckuva an actor, as his face clearly looked like he thought it was only 3rd down.

  9. It was obvious from seeing Brady’s four-finger gesture to the Ref (and look of disbelief) that he thought he had another down. A bit surprising for the seasoned vet, but he thought he had another down. No need to lie about it, Tom and Bruce!

  10. One can never be considered the best at his position if he only wants the accolades & refuses to take responsibility for his own miscues. Pretty pathetic Tommy. Not even Giselle can defend you on this one

  11. Maybe dementia is setting in. Maybe he’s just forgetful at his age. The rocking chair in the clubhouse should have been a clue.

  12. “Yeah he knew.” Hahahahahha. Guys who know don’t say to the ref, “Now it’s 4th down, right?”

  13. My goodness! Anyone can make a mistake, especially in the heat of the moment. Why not admit it, and move on? It was obvious that Brady thought he had another down to work with.

  14. No Bruce, he obviously didn’t know it was 4th down. That throw alone should have told you that because that’s not a typical 4th and 5 throw. Tom holding up four fingers at the ref after the throw might have told you that.

    No PI calls on the final drive and the refs didn’t give him an extra 5th down. He really has left New England.

  15. 🙂 hahahahaha. I love TB. As a Patriots season ticket holder that watched his entire career, he will always be my hero, but…. COME ON MAN….. we ain’t stupid. You hold up four fingers and say to the ref that it’s fourth down, we kinda gonna think you thought it was fourth down!! hahahahahahah.
    I still have Brady shirt when you come back to Gillette to retire!!

  16. Ticky-tack penalties keep Bear’s game winning drive alive. Whistles swallowed at the end.
    They couldn’t keep their flags in their pocket for most of the game.

  17. There is no way Brady thought it was fourth down. they needed 5 yds to the sticks, and he threw a 15 yd pass on that play. 99% of the time in New England he throws a 6 yd pass to move the chains. I dont know if at 43 yrs old you can call it a senior moment, but Brady DEFINITELY thought it was 3rd down.

  18. Well, if he knew, why did he stay on the field? He stood there dumbfounded while holding up 4 fingers looking at the referees. Own your mistake, Tom. You look even more dense trying to cover it up.

  19. Real problems were terrible offensive line with frequent lining up wrong; completely stupid penalties (walk up to someone down field and head-butt him in front of official for example); typical inept Todd Bowles defensive plan with no ability to adjust during the game; couple of mistakes by Brady.

  20. You’re not in New England anymore Tom.
    In NE Tom could count on the refs to call a PI if he threw into a crowd on a critical down. Those days are over Tommy, the league has moved on to the next generation of QBs.

  21. So he thought he could use a Jedi mind trick or the refs didn’t pick up on his how much he was willing to pay them for another down signal?

  22. It was pretty obvious that he thought he had another down. Why lie about it after the fact? It just compounds the mistake and makes them look like liars.

  23. No way in the world he knew, nice try , Brady flew off the handle was icing on the cake and you make excuses for him

  24. I personally have a hard time believing that Brady didn’t know what down it was. I think he was just shocked by the stop at the end of the game and played dumb about it. And he’s not a very good actor.

  25. And this song, written by the mega pop band “Chicago ” is dedicated to Tom Brady. Sing it. “Does anyone know what time it is, does anyone really care…………”

  26. I’d be a little more concerned about his seeming inability to push the ball down the field. Thought I was watching Drew Brees.

  27. Why when he loses does he run off the field and not shake hands or fist bump the opposing QB?
    Don’t tell me its because of social distancing either because the Bears DL was all up in his personal space all game.
    TB
    is a sore loser and he is finding out now how much BB as his old HC was important to his success.
    Doesn’t hurt that the Pats had plenty of questionable tactics to help them prepare and win either.
    Arians will be classic this week when he does his press conferences
    It doesn’t get any easier with the Packers up next either.

  28. He forgot the down, little doubt of that. He also openly berated his teammates during the game. It wasn’t a good look.

  29. My goodness!

    Anyone can make a mistake, especially in the heat of the moment. Why not admit it, and move on? It was obvious that Brady thought he had another down to work with.

  30. Lost in all this, is the fact that the Bears TRIED to give the game back to Tampa Bay by passing when they were within field goal range….. Who are these coaches anyway???

  31. If he knew then he should be an actor like the mother of his child.he put on a convincing performance of not knowing, worthy of an award.how does a qb of his vast experience forget what down it is when its on the sideline marker and on the scoreboard. since he called a long pass when he only needed six yards to continue the winning drive wasnt very Bradyesque.

  32. Even with Brady playing like he did last week these guys are going no where .
    The amount of stupid penalties these guys racked up on offense was insane .

    This seems to be a common issue with Arians ran teams and offenses .

  33. From his reaction, it was obvious he thought he had another down. And it was obvious from his facials that he was showing up the left side of his OL for allowing defenders to smack him around all game. Wonder if his OL gave him the same look when he forgot the down and blew the game?

  34. This is laughable. There is no way that Brady knew it was fourth down and Arians is just being Arians about it.

  35. This may just be an isolated mistake, but I’d start worrying if he runs out of the back of the end zone next week.

  36. Absurd clock “management” by the Bears to even give him such an opportunity.

    But there are only two possibilities: (1) he didn’t know (which seems far more likely) and doesn’t want to admit it, or (2) he knew and was trying to cheat into getting an extra down. Neither one reflects well on him, and suggests he thinks he has special status.

  37. Of course he knew what down it was. He was working the refs. Just like the floppers, if you ain’t cheatin’, you ain’t tryin’.

  38. They should be concerned about Brady, too. Warnings were out. Can’t play a cupcake D every week. They’ll lose to GB next week as well. I am lauging at the Brady fanboys. Jones had 6ypc on 17 carries and Brady, with a lead most of that game, chose to throw 41 times at age 43. FAIL

  39. scubasteve says:
    October 9, 2020 at 9:45 am
    I’d be a little more concerned about his seeming inability to push the ball down the field. Thought I was watching Drew Brees.

    I’d be concerned about you not knowing the facts.

    Through 5 games this season he’s in the top 3 in completions more than 20 yards downfield (air yards)
    In the top 3 in yards more than 20 yards downfield. (Air yards)

  40. He knew or he would have immediately left field instead of gesturing to the officials with 4 fingers. But the bigger concern is their 2-minute drill looks awful. They have too much talent to struggle so much to move the ball. And you’d like to hope they have plans to eventually get Gronk involved but I’m starting to have my doubts. It’ll be a gigantic missed opportunity if they never get him fully integrated into their offense.

  41. Brady forgot the downs, it’s certain. He played poorly and was a grumpy old man on the field all night, essentially telling the kids on his team to get off his lawn.

    I’m not so sure it’s due to being away from Belichick. The Patriots QB forgot how many time outs they had at the end of the half on Monday under BB.

    Trying to cheat? I doubt he could convince the entirety of the on-field refs, NY officials, and other team that another down existed. I guess it’s a good way to weave in the cheating stuff though.

    Either way, very entertaining for this Pats STH for decades.

  42. flash1224 says:
    October 9, 2020 at 11:27 am
    scubasteve says:
    October 9, 2020 at 9:45 am
    I’d be a little more concerned about his seeming inability to push the ball down the field. Thought I was watching Drew Brees.

    I’d be concerned about you not knowing the facts.

    Through 5 games this season he’s in the top 3 in completions more than 20 yards downfield (air yards)
    In the top 3 in yards more than 20 yards downfield. (Air yards)

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    Against what Ds? He also has 2 pick 6s which means his teams were trailing so he had to throw more.

    Last night is a micorcosm of his ego trumping good game management skills.

    They had leads of 13-0, 16-14 and 19-16.

    Eerily similar to what he did in SB 46 except he actually used a lead back well last night, which makes his performance look worse!

    If Brady had given BJGE like 4 more carries in the 2nd half and he doesn’t throw the horrible int on 1st down to a hobbled Gronk in that game, nE wins the SB.

  43. I think Tom Brady is the GOAT but he is starting to show his decline. He is just holding on to the ball too long, his decision making process is also taking too long which is causing the sacks. I also his consistency will go away as the season moves along. I think he would be very good playing every other week but that isn’t going to happen. Sad to see him in decline but as with most great athletes they are the last ones to see their own decline.

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