Joe Judge: Pass interference should have been flagged on two-point conversion

USA Today

Giants head coach Joe Judge wasn’t happy that a pass interference flag initially called against the Buccaneers on the Giants’ last-gasp two-point conversion attempt was picked up.

Judge said after the game that back judge Nate Jones correctly threw a flag for interference and shouldn’t have been overruled by his fellow officials.

“I thought Nate made the right call when he threw the flag,” Judge said, via Art Stapleton of NorthJersey.com. “So, I’m not sure why it got picked up. We had a pretty good view, I know they can’t use the Jumbotron as the replay. We had a pretty good view of that as well, But, you know, I thought Nate made the right call the first time. I thought, normally, your first instinct is right. So, that’s all I’m gonna say about the officiating. . . . I thought our guys played hard. We’ve got to put ourselves in position that we can have success and not bring a third party in as a factor. It’s tough enough to beat the Bucs.”

Although Buccaneers defensive back Antoine Winfield Jr. was initially flagged for colliding with Giants running back Dion Lewis an instant before the two-point conversion pass got to Lewis, the officials huddled up and ruled that Winfield touched the ball simultaneously with touching Lewis, which means no interference. It was a close call, and one that doesn’t sit well with Judge.

73 responses to “Joe Judge: Pass interference should have been flagged on two-point conversion

  1. Danny Ten Pennies lost that game ,let’s be clear on this right now ,dude is a real liability!

  2. Joe Judge, i know publicly you’re not going to criticise your QB but don’t complain about a correct call, look at where you’ve thrown another game away, two bad interceptions, at least two occasions when there was a man open and not found.

  3. If the ball was underthrown on a normal play and the defender plowed into the receiver waiting for the ball got there, there is no question they would’ve thrown the PI flag.

    There are no special rules for not calling penalties on 2pt conversions due to the “speed of the play” which is how the broadcasters tried to justify it.

    Jones threw late and behind the receiver. Neither of those gives the TB defender a free pass to commit a penalty.

  4. I did want OT to determine the winner and came away feeling the Refereeing had made the decision. I’m probably wrong, but that was just my gut feeling.

    I’m a believer in getting it right. The “conference “ was a good thing, even if overly long. The play was close & I wanted to see the flag stay, but can’t argue either way with certainty.

  5. harrytootsie says:

    November 3, 2020 at 6:01 am

    Danny Ten Pennies lost that game ,let’s be clear on this right now ,dude is a real liability!
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    That has to be 1 of the worst insults/name calling I’ve ever seen.

  6. With even slightly better QB play the Giants would have won that game easily. I haven’t seen much of Jones until now and what I saw last night was not good.

  7. Live in real time it looked like a pretty blatant pass interference, did I miss something?

  8. Not a Giants fan so no bias here, he’s 100% correct. That was a PI cause Winfield body blocked without attempting to make a play on the ball.

  9. Good call to pick up the flag. If there was P.I., it wasn’t flagrant. The replay does show the cornerback and the ball hitting the receiver at the same time.

  10. There was no bias on this close but correct call by the officials. The ruling is clear when contact is made at the same time the ball is touched by a receiver; There is no penalty! It’s not so clear if you’re a NY Giant fan or coach the team.

  11. “They wouldn’t have picked up the flag if Brady was throwing.” Here is a hard life lesson for you. You ready? Benefit of the doubt, and respect is earned. One quarterback threw 2 interceptions. The other threw 0. Not trying to be all cheeky. Respect to giants, their run defense is stout as hell, they played hard (and used every annoying trick play in the world) but Danny “dimes” needs to be better at throwing dimes to open receivers busting double moves on Jamel Dean

  12. In theory, I agree with the no call….BUT— Refs call that a penalty 95% of the time. You can’t pick up that flag when it decides a game. Make that call consistently throughout the season, then fine. But, not on what is essentially the last play of the game.
    And, yes, if that were Brady throwing the pass, it doesn’t get picked up.

  13. It was absolutely pass interference. It cost the Giants a chance at winning the game. It’s a shame — but also a fact — that the officials still mess things up and have way too much influence on the outcome of these games.
    The NFL will never get it right.

  14. Yeah…there is definitly something fishy going on with these refs picking up PI flags after a minute long conversation. That chatting is long enough for the league office to review and make a call.

  15. Judge seems to be doing a great job coaching this team up. They had a good scheme on defense and offense in this game and really outcoached the Bucs on both sides of the ball. That said, the ball hit the defender’s arm and the same time he collided with the receiver: that’s never going to be PI, but what else can Judge do but stick up for his team publicly. No controversy, and no one’s losing sleep over it.

  16. There is no question that that was a clear cut pass interference. It was ridiculous that they threw the flag and then picked it up.

  17. Looking at the play again on replay, in slow motion – there is an argument to be made each way. He gets there ALMOST at exact time and the ball does hit his arm. It is easy for us to see in super slow mo vs what the refs see in real time. The thing I don’t like about it is that they picked up the flag – stand by the call. In this bang-bang play I dont fault the refs for the call, but I don’t like the wishy washy call. Either you saw it or you didnt. It looks sketchy in my opinion.

  18. But if Jones’ throw hadn’t been 10′ off target it would have been an easy conversion. No need to put the game in the hands of the officials on that one.

  19. refs wanted Brady to win this game no doubt. I’m surprised they didnt give him a fifth down the other week……

  20. manderson4150 says:
    November 3, 2020 at 6:17 am
    What if the roles were reversed and it was Brady throwing that ball……they wouldn’t have picked up the flag.

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    I distinctly remember a flag being picked up a few years back at the end of the game in the end zone when Kuechly bear hugged Gronk on a brady throw. Do you remember that?

  21. Good call Manderson4150! The refs definitely didn’t pick up a blatant PI flag on Luke Kueckly against Gronk at the end of the game in 2013, oh wait, they did that exact thing. You are entitled to your own opinion, it just happens to be completely wrong.

  22. Watching professionals pick up flags is unacceptable. Being a professional means having the confidence and ability to make the call. Not make the call, talk to other refs for a few minutes then decide you made a mistake. Anybody can do that. We count on professionals to get it right the first time. Not second guess themselves.

  23. manderson4150 says:
    November 3, 2020 at 6:17 am
    What if the roles were reversed and it was Brady throwing that ball……they wouldn’t have picked up the flag.

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    Same thing happened to Brady in NC when Gronk was tackled before the ball go to him by Luke K. Flag was thrown then picked up. And that call was way more obvious than this one.

  24. manderson4150 says:
    November 3, 2020 at 6:17 am
    What if the roles were reversed and it was Brady throwing that ball……they wouldn’t have picked up the flag.
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    It happens in all sports . Good teams get the benefit more then the bad teams . Veteran players get the advantage over younger players . Perfect example was Jordan being allowed six steps on his drives to the hoop later in his career , lol .

  25. NFL Officials ….. helping Brady win since 2001, and it hasn’t slowed down since.

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    Excuse making Crybabies…. crying and making excuses about Brady winning since 2001 , and it hasn’t slowed down since.

  26. While this call was highlighted by being at the end of the game, it wasn’t the only bad call. There were other calls against the Bucs that were bogus, and at least on PI that could’ve been called that wasn’t (against the Giants). It happens in every game, and it happens to both sides.

    Having said that, I’m not a huge fan of a flag being picked up in this circumstance. And let’s not forget that in that embarrassing and notorious non-call in the playoff game a couple of years ago, the side judge was about to throw a flag and was told not to by the head official.

    If an official with the best view of the play throws a flag they shouldn’t be overruled.

  27. Kind of hard to imagine they got things wrong especially on scoring plays when you have correct view that’s conducted. I don’t get it other than it’s a blatant conspiracy to help Tom Brady as usual.

  28. Most likely as penalty. We all know there is variation among refs in subjectively called penalties and some players get benefit of the doubt.

    But honestly, based on how he was playing last night, had Giants gotten a replay, no assurance the QB could have made a better throw the next time.

  29. The whole destroying the phone during inflate gate thing and him getting no repercussions is absolutely 100% clearly illustrating that there is a lead by a to help and Aid Tom Brady whenever it can be done.

  30. The league is making it obvious that they want Tampa to win. The week before against the Raiders, the Tampa defense was getting away with continued holding with no calls. It’s sickening to see Roger and his crew destroying a great game!

  31. NFL Officials ….. helping Brady win since 2001, and it hasn’t slowed down since.
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    Tom Brady …… making fans like you cry since 2001 and his has not slowed down since.

  32. danielsong39 says:
    November 3, 2020 at 7:03 am
    Live in real time it looked like a pretty blatant pass interference, did I miss something?

    17 9 Rate This

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    TB is not that good and now that Brady is off NE, Goodell is helping him.

    That’s what is missed even though I can’t believe how obvious it is.

  33. The whole destroying the phone during inflate gate thing and him getting no repercussions is absolutely 100% clearly illustrating that there is a lead by a to help and Aid Tom Brady whenever it can be done.
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    Were you alive during that whole thing? I am not sure if you were because you are calling it “ inflate gate”. Tom Brady was suspended for not cheating. So 4 games because Roger has Article 46 on his side proved he was not aiding Brady in any way.

  34. Pretty clear cut PI. Made contact with the receiver before the ball arrived without turning his head to find the ball. Still not egregious as the defensive PI called on the Giants when Mike Evans quite literally mauled the db. Or the targeting call when Braith led with his helmet to initiate contact when the Giants just stood his ground, didn’t even lean forward at all because he was expecting Braith to just step out of bounds. I have no dog in that fight, but it was very clear that refs were in the Bucs corner all night. Ruins the game and reminds us that there will be certain games every year that seem assuredly rigged.

  35. “The whole destroying the phone during inflate gate thing and him getting no repercussions is absolutely 100% clearly illustrating that there is a lead by a to help and Aid Tom Brady whenever it can be done.”

    I can tell you paid close attention to that situation. You are correct, there was no suspension for Brady adding air to footballs.

  36. It was the right call. I do not often agree with refs but they got that one right. The defender has every right to that ball as the receiver. Receiver and defender both correctly expected the ball to go outside, receiver unable to fully adjust to ball thrown inside. Winfield played the ball really well.

  37. Should never have come to that anyway. The refs helped Tommy by calling the “Helmet to Helmet” on the Bucs previous drive/TD. The defender was bracing for impact and the receiver lowered HIS head into the defenders helmet… The refs decided the Bucs were winning that game. Feels like a waste of time watching….

  38. NO!!!!!!!!!!!! stop bailing out teams for bad passes. Jones throws it when he should and its OT. He is late. Deal with it.

  39. Cue Saints fans whining about the no call because it kept them out of first place…..

  40. The PI could have gone either way. The throw was late and behind. Great play call and design. It should have a been an easy conversion.

  41. Refs starting to look a little sketchy. Two HUGE picked up PI calls against GB and NYG this week.

  42. When a 1-6 team doesnt get that call it doesnt surprise you. We lost because Jones threw 2 ridiculous picks, could have thrown at least 2 more, and missed 3-4 open receivers down field that likely would have been TD catches.

    There’s a reason why we are now 1-7, and it aint the refs.

  43. dsigrey says:
    November 3, 2020 at 8:36 am
    manderson4150 says:
    November 3, 2020 at 6:17 am
    What if the roles were reversed and it was Brady throwing that ball……they wouldn’t have picked up the flag.

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    Same thing happened to Brady in NC when Gronk was tackled before the ball go to him by Luke K. Flag was thrown then picked up. And that call was way more obvious than this one.

    13 6 Rate This

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    Except that Brady is not on NE.

  44. Except that Brady is not on NE.
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    Did you not understand the point? I wonder if you will mention Brady 25 or more times this week. I would make $$ on the over.

  45. sorry coach you’re wrong, danny threw the ball right into the back of the defender, shocking, i know…

  46. Not only should the flag have been thrown, the refs gifted The Tampa Bradys 30 yards on their final TD drive.

  47. It was a close play, but replay clearly showed that the defender hit the receiver prior to the ball bouncing off his arm, so the original call was correct. Additionally, the defender never looked for the ball and as such should not have been given the benefit of the doubt. So for the officials to have gotten together and overturn a correct call on highly dubious evidence was wrong and should not have happened.

  48. Looked to me like the ball hit the defender’s arm at roughly the same time the defender hit Lewis. It doesn’t matter if he turned his head if the ball already hit him. Once the ball hits anybody, PI is no longer an issue. It’s a free-for-all.

    Don’t quite understand why Judge’s complaint merits a story but Arians’s agreement with the call doesn’t.

    Is PFT going to elevate every complaint about officiating that comes our way?

  49. The ball hit the defender’s forearm so I guess you can say he competed for the ball? It’s one of those close calls that can go either way but the refs did huddle together and settled it. I would like to see it settled in Overtime so there would be no excuses from either side. The Giants and Daniel Jones did play hard so I think Joe Judge got the team on the same page. Maybe this is a good start for next year. The Bucs offense and defense both played sluggish. They were probably thinking too far ahead of the schedule and played down to their opponents and underestimated the Giants. A trap game!

  50. “It was a close play, but replay clearly showed that the defender hit the receiver prior to the ball bouncing off his arm, so the original call was correct. ”

    That’s a very loose definition of “clearly”. Also keep in mind that not all contact constitutes Pass Interference.

    Look at 1:59 of the video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPT3VIVTzis&ab_channel=HighlightHeaven

    If Winfield is there before the ball, it’s at most a fraction of a second. And the officials are told they’re not supposed to be trying to apply DPI in that kind of situation unless the defender is clearly early and hitting the receiver to stop the catch.

    If Winfield were turned around there wouldn’t be this discussion. This amount of contact is common for two people going for the same pass. But people are getting thrown off because he wasn’t looking at the ball.

    Jones threw a bad ball. He waited too long and the coverage had time to make it over.

  51. Daniel Jones didn’t play well and that last call could have gone either way, but the officials didn’t do the Giants any favors even before that. There were at least 3 penalties called against New York that weren’t penalties at all, including that bogus personal foul call for leading with the helmet. Brate lowered his head and ran into the DB, not the other way around. That call should have gone against Tampa.

    I’ve always been a huge NFL fan, but my interest continues to become more marginal as the officiating becomes less and less consistent.

  52. lol no mention of the WFT 2pt conversion to win the game and one of the WFT receivers was knocked down in the end zone … go watch it , it’s not the receiver Kyle threw it to but the one he wanted to throw to was knocked down.

  53. Everyone loves talking about specific calls that might benefit Brady, but conveniently ignore the fact that the refs helped Aaron Rodgers while he was trailing against the Vikings in his own stadium. Patrick Mahomes just won a super bowl with zero offensive holding penalties called against them in their three playoff games. Their line was average all season long. How about those bad calls when the Patriots played the Chiefs last season? N’Keal Harry never stepped out. Look at what happen to the Saints back in the 2018 NFC Championship game. Stop acting like this league has ever had fair officiating.

  54. Has there ever been a QB whose teams have gotten more breaks from officiating than Tom Shady?

  55. By the letter of the law, it seems like no flag was the right call. But only because Winfield got lucky and the ball hit his arm first. Based on Winfield’s actual physical actions, it was pure PI. Run into the receiver, don’t look at the ball, etc. But in the process of doing that, he just happened to be where the ball went to first.

    So it feels kind of crummy but the ball hitting his arm out in front of the receiver kind of shuts down any interpretation of intent.

  56. Has there ever been a QB whose teams have gotten more breaks from officiating than Tom Shady?
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    Name all of these breaks. I will knock the Tuck Rule game out of the way. Start giving all the examples of breaks. I am just curious if you can come up with 10 over a 20 year career.

  57. “Pretty clear cut PI. Made contact with the receiver before the ball arrived without turning his head to find the ball.”

    Pretty funny how many comments like this there are on here. Yet almost all the analysts on TV disagree with you, including guys who actually played the game like Jeff Saturday and Louis Riddick. But all of you armchair, amateur refs know more than the professionals. And of course it has nothing to do with the fact that many of you have sour grapes bitterness toward Brady for different reasons (many) or are New York fans (also many).

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