Comparing Jon Gruden to every other NFL coach

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Raiders coach Jon Gruden, given last night’s loss to the Chargers, most likely will complete his third season back with the Raiders without a single playoff berth. His performance since winning Super Bowl XXXVII — a record of 63-78 in the regular season and 0-2 in the postseason — speaks for itself.

Any other coach would be facing serious questions about his job security. Raiders owner Mark Davis, who seems to regard Gruden the same way Costanza idolized Tony, won’t be firing Gruden or even considering it. It’s a great gig for Gruden to face no internal scrutiny.

But that doesn’t insulate him from external scrutiny. Today’s PFT Live featured a new game. A simple game. We compared Gruden to every non-interim coach in the NFL, posing the question of whether Gruden is better, worse, or the same as each guy.

The product appears in the attached video. The end result was not great for Gruden, who for some reason brought note cards to his post-game press conference.

69 responses to “Comparing Jon Gruden to every other NFL coach

  1. He deserves to be questioned at this point. It’s not so much the play calling and the offense, it’s the buffoonery of trading Cooper and Mack, and largely wasting that return and cap space, and the rest of the draft selections. Turned Mack in to Jacobs and Arnette, Cooper into Abram, and then foolishly draft the 3rd or 4th best receiver in this year. By the time he and Mayock figure out the defense, it will be year 7 of this experiment.

  2. Overrated.

    Gruden beat a Gruden-built Raiders in the SB with a Dungy-built Tampa squad. And sure, he build a team good enough to get to the SB, but that was a one-and-done squad. Years ago.

  3. Always EXCUSES with Gruden! Yet Chargers win with a “Rookie QB”, and Missing ELITE starters Derwin James, Melvin Ingram, Bryan Bulaga, Mike Pouncey and WR’s Keenan Allen & Mike Williams severely limited. Chargers still WIN! Gruden’s All Talk. No Substance.

  4. Gruden is more of an obnoxious clown than a legitimate “top tier HC”. Basically on a par with Rex Ryan and Hue Jackson as a HC. Amazing how some people think that he’s actually better than Art Shell and Jack Del Rio as a HC but the records indicate otherwise!!

  5. I don’t think that comparison is good considering he stopped coaching for a long time. He dismantled Oakland in hopes of building the team and they continue to make strides. If LV doesn’t do well next year or in 2022 it I would agree he has been unsuccessful. I think the problem is coaches are given 2-3 seasons to be a success when it takes more time.

  6. #Raiders went 2 for 7 (28.6%) on 3rd down last night when needing 3 yds or less. League avg. is 62.4%. The plays:
    Carr inc Renfrow 3rd and 3
    Carr sack 3rd and goal from 2
    Jacobs -1 3rd and 1
    Jacobs 0 3rd and 2
    Jacobs 0 3rd and 1
    Mariota 2-yd TD run
    Ingold 2 on 3rd and 1

  7. Since NFL expanded the playoffs to 12 teams in 1990, 140 teams have started the season 6-3. 74% of those teams (103) made the playoffs. If #Raiders miss the playoffs this season, Jon Gruden will be the 1st coach to do that 3 times after a 6-3 start (also 1998 in Oak, 2008 in TB)

  8. Out of the 81 coaches in Super Bowl era who have coached more than 25 December games in the regular season, Jon Gruden’s .377 win % (23-38) ranks 76th. He’s ahead of John McKay, Jim Haslett, Leeman Bennett, Herm Edwards and Romeo Crennel……

  9. #Raiders playoff chances down to 2% per
    @fivethirtyeight
    in coach Jon Gruden’s 3rd season. The last coach to win a Super Bowl w/ a team after missing the playoffs his 1st 3 seasons with the franchise was Chuck Noll with the 1970s Steelers

  10. Gruden’s other BIG mistake comes in overtime.

    Kicking the field goal there cost the #Raiders over 10% pre-snap GWC.

    A made field goal doesn’t win the game.

    A failed touchdown attempt results in bad field position for Los Angeles.

  11. With the loss last night, Jon Gruden’s regular season record as #Raiders coach falls to 56-54. That’s now the most losses in team history. He had been tied with Tom Flores, who was 83-53 w/ 2 Super Bowl wins

  12. Does every other coach have Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs Juggernaut in their division?

    This is like saying “Man, that Larry Brown never could win the division when he coached the Pacers, he’s terrible” and not even considering that Michael Jordan was in Chicago.

  13. So, I watched the show this morning. I agree with most of the views. But I’m having a hard time with the Nagy comparison. Although Nagy hasn’t been the best, he’s far better than Gruden. Nagy has yet to post a losing record and made it to the playoffs his first year. This is Nagy’s 3rd year and probably the first losing season. Hardly compares to Gruden who hasn’t done nearly as good. Also, due to Ted Thompson and Ryan Pace (Both Should be fired) the Bears/Nagy have not had a #1 pick yet. So, I’d pump the breaks on the to early to tell criticism until this draft, Hopefully Nagy get’s to pick the next QB.

  14. Gruden has celebrity power and that’s about it. He is vastly overrated as a HC and for the Raiders John Rauch, Art Shell and Jack Del Rio were all better HCs (I won’t even mention the great John Madden & Tom Flores). In Gruden’s first Raiders stint he didn’t even produce a winning record until his 3rd season whereas Shell and Del Rio both went 12-4 in their second season. His record in Tampa after the initial Super Bowl in Tampa speaks for itself. In his second Raiders stint he systematically dismantled a competitive team coming off of some problems (Donald Penn holdout; Todd Downing disaster replacing Bill Musgrave at Carr’s insistence; forcing of Marshawn Lynch onto the roster) that were ALL correctable without hiring a new HC and blowing up the team.

    As for Gruden vs. the rest of the league? Why is it that despite circulating his name in the media for HC jobs for almost 10 years, it was only the Raiders who seriously wanted him? Well his record in his 2nd stint is 18-28 which is inferior to just about every other HC over the same period was utterly predictable based on his previous track record. It would put virtually any other HC in danger of losing his job but the “coaching legend” is an exception. That’s because Son-of-Al is enamored with glitz and in stark contrast to Al Davis cares more about publicity stunts and celeb power than putting a winning product on the field. So ultimately the Raiders problems lie not so much with Gruden who took advantage of this but with the idiot owner who inflicted him on the team.

  15. … I agree that it doesn’t matter if he’s a good coach because Mark Davis sees Gruden as a marketing tool. I don’t know how long that shine will last before it wears off, but there it is. In 2011, the year Al Davis passed away during the NFL season, Hugh Jackson was the Raiders head coach. I loved his swagger. But after they lost Jason Campbell to injury and gave up huge draft picks in the Carson Palmer trade, the Raiders faded down the stretch under Jackson and finished at 8-8. He was fired. Was that fair? No. Jackson was an up and coming head coach. I was sorry to see him go. He finally landed in Cleveland and got his chance. He was fired after going 3-36! 3-36! Back to Gruden – does he deserve his job? Are we comparing him to other coaches, other Raider coaches, or to his own history? Or are we just sick of Gruden’s mug and (virtual) press conferences?

  16. Not all coaches get the luxury of a hall of fame QB that are protected by the league and game rules, and these coaches have to grind to earn wins.

  17. murphyslaw40 says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:52 am
    Does every other coach have Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs Juggernaut in their division?

    This is like saying “Man, that Larry Brown never could win the division when he coached the Pacers, he’s terrible” and not even considering that Michael Jordan was in Chicago.
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    I agree. The NFL needs to stop making the Raiders play the Chiefs 16 times a year.

  18. Osman Dirie says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:12 am
    He deserves to be questioned at this point. It’s not so much the play calling and the offense, it’s the buffoonery of trading Cooper and Mack, and largely wasting that return and cap space, and the rest of the draft selections. Turned Mack in to Jacobs and Arnette, Cooper into Abram, and then foolishly draft the 3rd or 4th best receiver in this year. By the time he and Mayock figure out the defense, it will be year 7 of this experiment.

    1 3 Rate This
    Haven’t Coopers and Mack’s current teams been doing about the same as the Raiders or worse ? Those teams way over spent on those two.

  19. Look at the coaching staff and the record they have with a talented roster that beat him yesterday.. Case closed.

  20. Gruden has proven only that he’s a middle of the road HC. His Super Bowl win was good timing in that the roster was already stacked and the perfect opponent dropped into their lap (they already knew every play that was to be called and what the gameplan pretty much was). His record past that point shows nothing to support he’s anything more.

  21. I actually don’t think Gruden has performed badly considering the roster he inherited, but I agree that the pressure to get over the hump should be increasing.

    Still, far too many losing clubs don’t have enough patience with coaches’ efforts to turn bad teams around. The well-run franchises always have a good amount of continuity. Imagine firing a coach after 2-3 years, and now many of the players the previous regime acquired get traded for dimes on the dollar, cut or just not resigned because they don’t fit the new regime’s offensive/defensive schemes. That’s how bad teams stay bad.

  22. There is no comparison to other coaches because absolutely nobody else signs coaches to fully guaranteed, decade-long contracts. That was a Mark Davis special.

  23. they had a decade of revolving door coaches and sub .500 seasons til Jack Del Rio got them on the right track. They shouldnt’ve fired Del Rio so hastily and they shouldnt rush Gruden out the door. This year’s Raiders team (7 8 or 9 wins)is still pretty good compared to what we’re used to from them (4 5 or 6 wins).

  24. remingtonteal says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:22 am

    Overrated.

    Gruden beat a Gruden-built Raiders in the SB with a Dungy-built Tampa squad. And sure, he build a team good enough to get to the SB, but that was a one-and-done squad. Years ago.

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    Now that’s some tortured logic. You give Dungy credit for “building” a SB team, but then take it away from Gruden. While Dungy failed to take that same team to the SB, and only ever made it there thanks to Manning, while Gruden did it with Brad Johnson.

    In reality, that was an unprecedented moment. A guy coached two teams to the SB level of quality essentially at the same time. Don’t recall that happening before or since.

    Fine to evaluate his overall record, but he earned his accolades in that era.

  25. 3 years isn’t really that long, when he basically came in a blew up the entire. If not mistaken besides a few of the o-line, Carr, and Richards-nobody else is left. Needless to say almost all the guys that are gone , are starting on other NFL Teams. Gruden got a team with all of it draft picks, and the books are in order. Making Trent Brown the highest paid O-line man in the history of the game speaks volume. Also lets not forget when Gruden traded picks for guys like Martavious Bryant, Ryan Switzer, Christian Hackenberg, AJ Mcarron, Antonio Brown, Trevor Davis, Zay Jones (still on team) , etc…..Lynn Bowden is another example of a wasted pick. Time will tell but they have to improve. (along with the refs)

  26. Winning percentage of last 4 #Raiders 4 full-time coaches:
    Jack Del Rio: .521
    Hue Jackson: .500
    Jon Gruden: .391
    Dennis Allen: .222

  27. hendricks83 says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:45 am
    Gruden’s other BIG mistake comes in overtime.

    Kicking the field goal there cost the #Raiders over 10% pre-snap GWC.

    A made field goal doesn’t win the game.

    A failed touchdown attempt results in bad field position for Los Angeles.

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    And then a Chargers FG would win the game.

  28. says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:59 am
    the Raiders faded down the stretch under Jackson and finished at 8-8. He was fired. Was that fair? No. Jackson was an up and coming head coach. I was sorry to see him go. He finally landed in Cleveland and got his chance. He was fired after going 3-36! 3-36!
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    Correction LOL….it was 3-36-1, don’t short change his resume!!

  29. gruden is average at best, more personality and side show then game day coach. mayock has done a good job of building a roster, and he is no deity either. The NFL is the most competitive sport on the planet. It does not suffer fools lightly. It is a really demanding and dynamic environment.

  30. This is exactly why Bill Cowher will never go back to coaching no matter how big of a check a team is willing to cut him. I’m neither here nor there on Gruden but why would anyone put themselves through this if they have other options?

  31. Don’t look too closely at Mike Zimmer’s coaching accomplishments either. I’m not sure how that guy manages to keep his job.

  32. Heck of a time to attack Gruden. I

    I’m no fan of Gruden, but I think that the Raiders lost that game because they lost Carr. Mariota did a good job, but it was his first game in a long time and he was a little rusty. He basically threw to Waller on almost every play.

    The game went to OT with Mariota. With Carr, it likely would have ended in a Raiders win…..and this article would not be needed.

  33. Imagine had Andy not gift wrapped a win for his buddy Gruden, or if the Jets didn’t want the 1st overall pick… We’re talking about a 5-9 football team here, in his 3rd season.

    Andy had 3 playoff appearances in his 1st 3 years, Granted, Andy is a HOF coach but it leaves the raiders much to desire.

  34. Great organizations do not play the Head Coach carousel. Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 head coaches in the last 50 years. Are the Rooneys geniuses in selecting head coaches? No. Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher, Mike Tomlin are all above average head coaches who were fortunate enough to coach in an organization that puts them in the best position to succeed. That is why they have out-performed their abilities, all of them. The Pittsburgh Steelers do not play the head coach carousel. These coaches did not have to answer the question about their job status after every loss. The players know that the head coach will be there longer than they will be. A coach’s ability to affect the locker room is greatly increased when the players know the coach will be there for the next ten years. When the players look at the coach and know that he could be fired next week, or they will be there longer then the coach, they will stop listening to him. If you hire a coach you believe in, then you should support him for the long haul like the Steelers do. Not to say they should never be fired, but job status hanging on every loss brings a instability which is not conducive to winning. Neither Noll, Cowher or Tomlin would have a Super Bowl win if they coached at many of the other teams in the NFL. If they fire Gruden, they have to eat about $70 million, and then what. Who do you bring in? Who’s the next Vince Lombardi? Don Shula? Bill Belichick? Who? Who out there is even better than Gruden? It is much better to hire a solid head football coach and build a strong stable organization around him which brings out the best in him and the players.

  35. hendricks83 says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:33 am
    #Raiders went 2 for 7 (28.6%) on 3rd down last night when needing 3 yds or less. League avg. is 62.4%. The plays:
    Carr inc Renfrow 3rd and 3
    Carr sack 3rd and goal from 2
    Jacobs -1 3rd and 1
    Jacobs 0 3rd and 2
    Jacobs 0 3rd and 1
    Mariota 2-yd TD run
    Ingold 2 on 3rd and 1

    well all this above says to me that this was a sure tank job after Gruden knew that Carr’s injury would be one that won’t allow him to come back this year! Its plain to see! Raiders could have easily won that game with a RPO play at the end, or a throw to waller on a back side play action rollout!

    ever since the loss to “TB12” in his own house, that bile in Grudens throat has not subsided. I believe at that point he knew that there was no way that this defense would do nothing but embarass him in the playoffs. Of course he would have told Mark Davis that to curb expectations this year. Come on, if Brown was the RT for the whole year, two more wins would have happened. Raiders will lose one if not both of the next games because in a Covid filled year, nobody wants to get any draft pick less than the third round. There just isn’t enough film on them.

    Gruden of course is playing with house money, and Mark doesn’t mind, and can finally afford it. Thats why this contract was a 10 year deal, with the impending move etc…

    be smart people.. someone switching grudens hat was embarrassing to say the least. there is a bit of not really taking this season seriously…. covid, injuries, no fans, all add up to a tank job cause the D sucks so bad. AND gruden doesn’t want marcus to be the starter, just a jason hill type guy…

  36. Would you want to pay out that contract he signed and then get nothing for it? They’ll ride him for every penny. The financial landscape is different now, You can’t pay all that money for a fire head coach and then have to pay another head coach to coach the team and have technically two coaches on the payroll. Teams can’t afford to do that anymore

  37. Honestly the Raiders haven’t been that bad
    The team was in a mess when he arrived and they have looked a little better the last couple of seasons

  38. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:23 am
    He needs to go back to the booth.

    NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  39. Jon Gruden is as good or better than any offensive coach in the league. Last night was the first time we’ve seen Gruden’s team operate with a good QB, and Mariota hadn’t played in a long time. The defense is very bad. They lack talent. You have to remember Gruden inherited a team that had 1 winning season in the prior 15 years. There weren’t many good players when he got there. They’re probably an 11-5 team with Mariota at QB, and will be much better when they upgrade their defensive personnel in the off-season. If you’ve followed the career’s of Andy Reid and Bill Belichick, you’ve seen the difference having a good QB makes. It’s night and day. Remember how everyone criticized Andy before he got Mahomes? Look up some of those articles if you can’t remember. And how many playoff games and Super Bowls has Belichick won without Brady? Certainly not enough to hold onto his job for as long as he has. Hurry up and get in your shots at Gruden now. He finally has a QB, so that window is closing.

  40. Given where the Raiders were when Gruden took over, it was gonna be at least at couple years to be competitive. Next year is more of an assessment year than this one.

  41. Since his Super Bowl win in 2002, Gruden is 63-79, 0-2 in the playoffs and had exactly ONE season with double digit wins. He is 4 games over .500 for his career. 18-28 since his return to the Raiders..

  42. “edelmanfanclub says:
    December 18, 2020 at 11:31 am
    I don’t think that comparison is good considering he stopped coaching for a long time. He dismantled Oakland in hopes of building the team and they continue to make strides. If LV doesn’t do well next year or in 2022 it I would agree he has been unsuccessful. I think the problem is coaches are given 2-3 seasons to be a success when it takes more time.
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    Tell that to Brian Flores. Look what he’s done with the Dolphins in only his 2nd season with no prior HC experience.

  43. Please – you’re conflating the other rosters with the performance of their head coaches.

    The Raiders defensive roster is probably one of, if not *the*, worst roster in the league, and that’s before all the injuries COVID crap. Of the players that were on the field last night, I would say probably 3, give or take, would even be starters on most other rosters.

  44. Gruden was hired and given his 10 year contract for his star power more than his coaching prowess. Davis wanted to move to Vegas with a splash. Nobody foresaw COVID

  45. Fact is that until Al Davis’ health went into decline, he was a great team builder. He gave Jon Gruden the best roster in football top to bottom before he went to
    Tampa as evidenced by a guy who wasn’t head coach material in Bill Callahan taking that same roster to the Super Bowl the year after he left. He’s been living on that couple of years that he had that roster and when he won the Super Bowl with an all-time great defense in Tampa knowing the Raider personnel and offense inside and out the year after he left for nearly 20 years. It’s almost Jeff Fisheresque.

  46. Gruden tore down a team that was a year removed from the playoffs and a 12-4 record. Drafts and signings haven’t paid off at all on defense. He did help get Vegas to build a great stadium though with his star power. That’s about it.

  47. bassplucker says:
    December 18, 2020 at 12:53 pm

    This is exactly why Bill Cowher will never go back to coaching no matter how big of a check a team is willing to cut him. I’m neither here nor there on Gruden but why would anyone put themselves through this if they have other options?

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    I don’t think that Gruden is putting himself through anything. Gruden is a natural-born grifter who got lucky with an NFL owner with no real world experience and who has some sort of fixation on him and was willing throw him a truck-load of guaranteed money. Gruden is laughing all the way to the bank while long-time Raider fans who remember what REAL coaching was about are suffering.

  48. Just remember Gruden’s Superbowl win was a gift from Tony Dungy.
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    Tony Dungy… who was 2-4 in the Post Season in Tampa?

    Or Tony Dungy.. whos team only managed 2 tds in 6 post season games before he was fired?

    Tampa DOES NOT win that SB without Gruden. Their defensive captains said it.

  49. Gruden is more of an obnoxious clown than a legitimate “top tier HC”
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    Who are the ‘legit’ top teir coaches at this point?

    Outside of Belichick and Reid, are there any?? They’re the only two that get my vote.

  50. .. my apologies to Sean Payton.

    … and for the sake of conversation; throw in Sean McVay. But thats STILL only 4 of 32.

    25%?

    Coaching is at an all-time low, IMO. Certainly when compared with the previous 3 decades.

    So yeah, give me Gruden over the overwhelming majority of these hacks. Outside of a few elites, how bad is he, truly?

  51. This topic shows how little people know about the real NFL, if you switched Andy Reid and Gruden, would the raiders suddenly be the best in the AFC West and the chiefs would suck. According to 90% of these comments, yes. That’s ridiculous.

  52. To start the 2020 season, only 6 players remained on the roster from the 12-4 team (yes, they were fluky). That means that Gruden has turned this roster over almost completely and brought in all “his” guys and all his “gruden grinders” and we still have yet to have a winning season. We’ll be lucky to be .500 this season. He is a good coach but he is a terrible personnel decision maker. Mayock has helped but he is overly praised in the media (probably because he comes from media). His draft picks, especially on defense have made little impact, and their free agent signings have been a best. Tyrell Williams is overpaid, injury prone and probably gone after this year. Lamarcus Joyner was overpaid and can’t play nickel or S, so he should be gone after thie year. Trent Brown was a huge overpay, and he’s good when he plays but he is often not on the field. Best ability is availability. Corey Littleton has been a disaster this season. Maliek Collins managed 0 sacks this season, disaster signing. Crosby was a nice pick in the mid rounds because of his motor but he’s never going to be a game wrecker, just a really solid player and good mid round pick. Ferrell was a complete bust pick, we should have taken Josh Allen, Devin White, or Bruan Burns (the three players on my board after Murray, and Bosa. I had Quinnen Williams at 6). Nassib is a rotation piece but overpaid at 8 mill per. Riot was their only good free agent signing. Mullen had a nice start to his season but has tailed off (partly due to lack of pass rush) Jury is out on Arnette but I like him. I loved Amik Robertson and Isaiah Johnson coming out so I hope we see more of them and they pan out. Mo Hurst’s development has been lacking, he was a 1st round talent we stole in the 5th round and he’s had flashes but he needs to step it up and get better coaching. Same with Arden Key, 3rd round pick who hasn’t found his footing yet. Jonathan Abram flat out sucks. He can’t cover, be blow zone coverages (like the TD to Kelce to lose the KC game). All he’s looking for is big hits and interceptions instead of maintaining his discipline and playing within the defensive system. He just throws his body around and never wraps up, he lost his rookie season to injury and it wouldn’t surprise me if he has a short career because of his reckless play. Erik Harris is a nice Big Nickel SS/3rd safety/box safety, but he can’t be expected to guard WRs one on one. It’s recipe for disaster. Yes, Paul Guenther didn’t do a good job coaching this defense, but Mayock and Gruden also didn’t give him the players to make a good defense possible. With no pass rush, and underachieving linebacker corps, young and inexperienced corners, and safeties who flat out suck and can;t cover will make any D coordinator look bad. And all these guys are Gruden and Mayock picks. How about lighting the Tanner Muse pick on fire? Mayock seems to be scouting the helmet more than the players. We keep taking guys from big name schools instead of taking the best players available. And I know there were some issues with Lynn Bowden but he’s playing well with the Dolphins at the moment. And he can play emergency QB/wildcat, RB, and WR. And Gruden, the offensive guru, couldn’t find a place for him to play? Theo Riddick is on the tema for god’d sake. To give up Bowden (a 3rd rounder) plus a 2021 4th rounder, plus a 2021 6th rounder to Miami for Raekwon McMillan (a former 2nd round pick, who I loved coming out of college but has had major injury issues in the NFL) and a 2021 5h round pick shows the Dolphins fleeced the Raiders. They got the better player in the deal and got better draft capital. Gruden and Mayock’s trades have been abysmal: Trevor Davis for a 6th, Zay Jones for a 5th, Martavis Bryant for a 3rd, AB for a 3rd (who became Diontae Johnson-who would look great in the Silver and Black atm) and a 5th. He got a 1st for Cooper but then spent it stupidly on Johnathan Abram. The Mack trade ended up sort of working for us, getting out from having to pay him all that money, but our pass rush has sucked since he left. The trade ended up being Khalil Mack, TE Cole Kmet, and Blesaun Austin for Josh Jacobs, Damon Arnette, and Bryan Edwards. Fair deal? I’d never draft a RB in the 1st round unless it’s an AP or Saquaon level talent. How’s Zeke working out? Gurley? Sony Michel? Leonard Fornette? Even Christian Mcaffrey has only played 4 games this year. The reason the defense is terrible isn’t just Guenther, it’s because of bad personnel decisions, trades, and draft picks by Gruden and Mayock. They’re giving Guenther crap and expeecting him to turn it into gold.

  53. Gruden is not a great coach but most coaches wouldn’t win with the garbage he has had at the qb position.

  54. I disagree with many of your opinions regarding which coaches are better than Gruden. I believe you give Gruden too much credit for fact that he is 100 percent responsible for all decisions n personnel. He has been afforded with unfettered control over every aspect of the franchise. U would be hard-pressed to find another coach possessing same control that Gruden has with Raiders. Gruden deserves all the blame for all sides of ball. A good coach can assess talent n Gruden when possessing control fails to recognize talent. It is supported when you review Gruden’s MNF n espn stint. His assessment of players in draft especially the strange manner in which he continuously commented during draft Manziel was in. Gruden possessed the same infatuation with Manziel as Davis has with Gruden.

    Also, Gruden deserves no credit for super bowl with Tampa. Upon going into Bucs job he was told that he had no say-so with Bucs D. He could not make any decisions with D already in place. The D dominated that year without Gruden’s coaching prowess involved. Now the offense Gruden possessed control that 1st season n he made some changes. Gruden is so good of a coach that Bucs offense ranked lower than it did before Gruden arrived. Without the D doing what it did Bucs do not go to super bowl.

    Also Gruden had nothing to do with Gannon or any players that Raiders had 1st time around. AL Davis would NEVER allow anyone other than him to make decisions or have input. In addition look at what Gruden did with Raiders 1st time around. Seasons 1&2 Raiders were 8-8 (with good teams). Then Raiders were 12-4 in 3rd year. The final season Raiders went 10-6 with a very good roster. My point in this is where in these seasons do you derive at conclusion or find support that Gruden transformed Gannon into better QB? Gannon was same QB n his talent was on him not Gruden. You could say the OC or QB coach had more direct impact than Gruden. To prove my point I say what other team did Gruden develop a QB? He always wants vets n they are already the QB’s they r n changes r not happening very often. Also, review Gruden in his analysts duties with ESPN. He has no clue n always liked QB’s that were terrible.

    Bottom Line you cannot say if Gruden had players on another team he would do good when he doesnt like players from aother coach n likes to make personnel decisions n when he does he makes terrible decisions so you can be certain that any talent Gruden gets he will ruin it n his play calling is very suspect n predictable. Everyone in league speaks of this.

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