Rod Graves: Disparity in opportunities for Black coaches is “mind-boggling”

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As the 2021 coach and G.M. hiring cycle continues, the man who runs the Fritz Pollard Alliance has expressed his disappointment regarding the opportunities given to Black coaches and executives.

“Thus far, the NFL hiring cycle of 2021 has not changed the rate of hires for Blacks as Head Coaches and primary football executives,” Fritz Pollard Alliance executive director Rod Graves said in a statement. “This follows the 2020 Racial and Gender Report Card issued by The Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport (Dr. Richard Lapchick), which gives the NFL failing (or near failing) grades in racial hiring for leadership positions. People of color represent sixty-nine percent (69%) of the players and thirty-five percent (35%) of assistant coaches. In contrast, the NFL has one president, three general managers, and three head coaches who are Black.”

The league office has worked hard to promote minority candidates. Of the five head coaches hired during the current cycle, one minority coach has been hired (Robert Saleh of the Jets). No Black head coach has been hired.

“There are many outstanding Black men and other men and women of color in the NFL,” Graves said. “The pipeline is as strong as it has ever been. The issue is not in the sufficiency of numbers; the problem is in the limited number of leadership opportunities given.

“The disparity in opportunities is mind-boggling. It is unfortunate that the performances of coordinators like Eric Bieniemy, Todd Bowles, Byron Leftwich, Leslie Frazier, and Joe Woods, may not meet what appears as ‘ever-evolving standards’ for becoming a Black Head Coach in the NFL. The prospect for second chances is proving to be even more elusive. The same applies to executives like Jerry Reese, Rick Smith, Reggie McKenzie, and others. All capable of providing the vision, leadership, and expertise to lead a championship effort.”

The Rooney Rule mandates certain standards when it comes to interviewing candidates. Nothing stops an owner from locking onto a white candidate and hiring him after checking the boxes of the Rooney Rule. That’s what the Raiders did three years ago with Jon Gruden. That’s what the Jaguars did this year with Urban Meyer.

Fear of litigation forced the establishment of the Rooney Rule a generation ago. There is no current fear of litigation, or other more meaningful changes would be made. Ultimately, it could take the reality of litigation — and a public trial in open court — to make a real difference.

133 responses to “Rod Graves: Disparity in opportunities for Black coaches is “mind-boggling”

  1. Rod Graves: Disparity in opportunities for Black coaches is “mind-boggling”

    In other related news that the media will never talk about…

    -Disparity in opportunities for white running backs is “mind-boggling”
    -Disparity in opportunities for white wide receivers is “mind-boggling”
    -Disparity in opportunities for white basketball players is “mind-boggling”
    -Disparity in opportunities for white rappers is “mind-boggling”

    If you’re going to talk about discrepancies, then talk about ALL discrepancies… not just the ones that suit your agenda. Otherwise you’re only making this worse by using your inconsistent and cherry picked standard of “outrage” over these things. While I believe the intent behind these kinds of articles and initiatives are good, they only drive animosity when people see these inconsistencies in logic. At some point, the only way to get past race is to stop focusing on race. It’s counterintuitive but so are a lot of things in life…

  2. Bowles has a .388 winning percentage as a head coach and maybe Bieniemy didn’t want any of the available jobs.

  3. Are you suggesting that owners don’t hire a head coach they feel would be great because he’s black? 69% of players and 35% of assistant coaches are black, in a country where 12% of the population is black.

  4. I would argue that including Leslie Frasier in the discussion of coaches who have not had “opportunities” to be a head coach is misrepresenting statistics a bit.

    He WAS a head coach of the Minnesota Vikings for Three years.

    He is now the DC of the Buffalo Bills, a position and and of itself a pretty good accomplishment for any coach of any color, especially one who had been fired from a previous head coaching job.

  5. I guarantee you if you got rid of the Rooney rule, more minorities would be hired. They say they’re not looking for a quota system but they are. Would you hire Todd Bowles as your head coach? No. Leslie Frazier? No. I think the problem with Eric Bieniemy is that he doesn’t call the plays for the Chiefs and people wonder how much of an impact does he actually have on Chiefs offense.

  6. I’m confused. Why is it implied that it’s racist somehow that we don’t have a proportionate number of black coaches/GMs to number of black NFL players, but it’s not racist that the number of black NFL players isn’t proportionate to the number of people in the world at large?

  7. Did you ever stop to think that more blacks would be hired WITHOUT the Rooney Rule? Nobody wants to be pressured to hire a coach just because of their race. That would be racist, right?

  8. This is silly. I can’t imagine owners in today’s world not hire the best candidates. However, when you look at the percentages of Blacks in America and you look at the percentage of Black coaches – there is no disparity at all. And being a ex-player doesn’t make you a better coach – it may but it certainly isn’t a prerequisite.

  9. I don’t disagree that there needs to be more diversity in every organization, not just the nfl.

    With that said, the notion that a candidate would not get a shot for a job due to race is preposterous. Most team owners would do ANYTHING to win a ring. To insinuate they would hire a less qualified candidate for a job due to race is absurd.

    Let’s look at the list that was cited for coaches, just for fun..

    Bowles and Frazier both were coaches and flamed out a few years ago. Bowles was pretty bad as a HC also.It’s gonna be a bit before a second shot. Frazier technically can’t even be hired for openings right now.

    Leftwich is rising fast- he’s only been coaching 4 years and is an OC- he also technically can’t be hired for openings still.

    Bienemy- Will prob get a job. Can’t be hired right now. He’s also got some issues in his past. Everyone deserves a chance to show that they have grown past issues- and I’d say that being the OC for the best team in football shows that he’s been given another shot.

    Joe woods – been around a long time, pretty good resume. This one is a head scratcher. Is it possible he hasn’t wanted to be a HC? I’m not sure.

  10. I am all for diversity in the ranks but I think the Alliance has it wrong, in this analysis. I tend to agree diversity is lacking in the above coaching ranks in general. But the percentage of players who are black is and should be completely unrelated to the number of coaches and GMs. The way this reads is 69% of players are black, therefore so should the percentage of above-the-field position be filled similarly. No.

    More realistic might be whether the number of minority coaches and execs matches society in general, which I could argue it does and maybe exceeds it (napkin math don’t hold me to the numbers).

    Mind you I am not arguing there isn’t bias. There is. But I’ve been watching the game a long long time and it is definitely headed in what I think is the right direction.

  11. Is it not possible that the NFL is a meritocracy already? Maybe that isn’t the point.

  12. The fact that a guy like Rod Graves has this position after the career he had is mind-boggling.

  13. Florio, there has been an answer to this question many times. How about instead of furthering the divide, you talk about the answer given so we can bring the country back together. The reason the numbers are so disproportionate is because playing in the NFL just doesn’t correlate to being a head coach. They are different skill sets. Look at the 64 head coaches and GMs. How many of them are former regular NFL players? Not many. They are by and large guys that maybe played a little college ball, maybe made the NFL for a year or two, or didn’t play at all. It doesn’t make sense to compare the proportions of NFL leaders to players because players aren’t the ones becoming NFL leaders. So please, stop furthering the divide.

  14. Hmmm. This may seen like a crazy comparison, but in thinking about the lack of leadership opportunities for Black and other Minority candidates in Football and Professional Sports, I cannot help but look at our Political Culture especially in Washington DC. We are and continue to be a country run by “Old White Men”. Just look at the make up of the Senate and Congress. And, at the risk of getting too political and not wanting to bring up the out-going President — why is it Kamala Harris is capable to be Vice President, but she was not viewed as capable to be President?

    I have had these discussions with my children and looking at the landscape, we have talked about the “pipeline” — the need for more diversity in politics at the local level. As more Women, Minorities and People of Color run for political office at the city, town and state levels, more opportunities for these people to succeed at the national level should become available.

    Does this same logic hold true for Professional Sports? What is the demographic breakdown of coaching staffs at the College Level? How can we move these candidates up to the NFL? How do we educate the “old white men” who own these teams to get them to see the viability of Black and Minority candidates?

    Perhaps you are correct, Mike, it will take litigation to get there. But wouldn’t it be nice if just once, we were able to do the right thing without being told to by the courts?

  15. Just to complete the state that were “left out”, 3% of presidents are Black, and 10% of GMs and 10% of HCs are Black. It doesn’t seem as dire when put that way.

  16. No surprise. Racism is in America’s DNA. Always has been. From 1619 when the first slave ship arrived.

  17. Litigating for a black coach is akin to forced busing in schools. It reminds me of the “hearts and minds” policy the US had in Vietnam. The NFL has been trying to legislate racial mores for years. Doesn’t seem to be working.

  18. Strange how Beinemy’s very checkered past never gets brought up during theee debates. The second news broke about Dan Campbell taking the Lions job, some journalist in Detroit ran an article about Dan saying something about gay marriage way back during his college days. Zero mention of Beinemy and his past. Weird?

    Bowles is an elite DC but failed as a HC. I don’t see Jim Schwartz getting any HC jobs?

  19. While the ranks of minorities in leadership positions is certainly in question, one thing the Pollard Alliance doesn’t mention in these statements is the very real fact that some of these men simply do not interview well, despite their knowledge of the game. Being prepared for the interview process in any line of work is the difference between getting the job and continuing to look. Interview training is just as important as experience and knowledge of one’s craft. Head coaches have to be able to communicate with many different types of people – and that includes ownership.

  20. NFL coaching and especially front office positions do not draw directly/only from the pool of former NFL players, with plenty of people coming from the population at large. And the population at large in the United States is demographically less than 13% black. To cite the NFL player population demographic as a number that demands a higher black representation in non-player populations is extremely discriminatory; what if we reversed the complaint and asked why blacks are so demographically over-represented in the player and assistant coaching population? Stupid, right? We all know that black representation in those areas is an organic development without issue. So, why are people with a particular bias allowed to AUTOMATICALLY ASSUME that there is an underrepresentation for blacks in these DIFFERENT areas and get away with what amounts to a discriminatory complaint? It’s an ugly double standard that impedes racial progress by muddying the waters over what are true issues of discrimination against blacks and what aren’t. I’m sorry, but I can’t see a lack of interest in giving second chances to former proven failures/disappointments such as Todd Bowles, Leslie Frazier, Jerry Reese, and Reggie McKenzie as a “problem”. If the short list for Rod Graves of names being “ignored” is built largely around such guys, that fact is all the evidence we need to see that such guys not being hired IS organic and not about the color of their skin. Who does anyone think to be to demand that non-successful retreads be hired or else there is racial discrimination going on? Really? What a shame.

  21. This argument just does not hold water. Black people make up less than 14% of the population in America and account for roughly 10% of Head Coaches in the NFL. This is not a great disparity. Why should they have a larger percentage of coaches that does not equate to the overall percentage of population? They argument is due to the large percentage of black players: “People of color represent sixty-nine percent (69%) of the players”. Couldn’t the same then be said of the players? Should the NFL require teams to draft and acquire more white players? Isn’t this discrimination?
    Seems to me the NFL is taking an illogical approach to the coaching hires and is political correctness gone too far. I never agreed with affirmative action – the best man for the job. Period.
    I just do not see the lack of opportunity for black head coaching hires, it seems to adequately represent the population whereas the players do not and the players union is the one with the disparity issue. By the way, didn’t the Jets just hire a man of color for head coach to replace the former coach who was white ? That should bring the percentage to to equal the population and with several black head coaches currently being interviewed, that number may rise further.
    Again, I fail to see an issue…

  22. It’s not mind boggling. With the enormous pressure to win these days, an owner or GM is going to hire whomever they think can get their team to the promised land. I think it’s just going to take more time. I don’t the number of total coaches (all positions) in the NFL, but as that number equals out, so will the HC’s.

    If I were a owner, I’d good after who I thought was the best candidate. Period. I wouldn’t want to be the guy hired if it was based on anything other than my qualifications.

    You’re starting to see it more at the QB position. It just takes time as more people down the line get chances to excel.

  23. Sounds like Bienemy has turned down a few jobs already this year… I can see both sides of this. There does need to be opportunity, but in the same vein, white men shouldn’t scrap their aspirations, dreams, and goals for the sake of affirmative action.

  24. The question no one asks is are these black head coaching candidates the best available? I think there is this misconception that all NFL head coaches have basically the same skill level so we should strive to fulfill a secondary goal: diversity. Also, the argument that coaches should mirror the race of the players is ridiculous. A similar argument could claim that since 16% of the US population is Hispanic therefore we should have approximately 271 Hispanic players.

  25. here come the obliviously racist PFT posters who are gonna say 1 of two things:

    1. “But…the Dolphins?”

    or

    2. “The best guy gets the job”

  26. So…minority hiring only counts if the candidate is Black?
    How does that work…..don’t other people of color matter?

  27. Eric Bieniemy – can’t be hired as yet but has been interviewed.
    Todd Bowles – failed dismally recently. Byron Leftwich – OC for medicore for most part offenses, could get a shot soon – also cant be hired right now.
    Leslie Frazier – failed previously, DC currently and cannot be hired at present.
    Joe Woods – DC for the 23rd ranked defense. Doesn’t inspire confidence.

    GM
    Jerry Reese – 10 year GM and interview with Jags.
    Rick Smith – over 10 year GM left the dumpster fire Texans and is getting interviews.
    Reggie McKenzie – didn’t do all that much at the Raiders and currently a senior personnel executive for the Miami Dolphins.

    I wouldn’t care what colour someone is if my team hired them, as long as they are competent.

    Hiring someone based on their skin colour or gender along is ludicrous.

  28. This is why racism continues to exist in our country. NOBODY should be given a job just because of the color of their skin. If teams don’t feel that there is a black man who is the best choice to coach their team, then that’s their right. Each tea is essentially a privately owned multi-million dollar company. If they felt that a black man would be the best coach for their team they would hire hi in a second. But every time a black man isn’t hired we have to hear people complain that the decision was racially motivated. ENOUGH ALREADY!

  29. Of course there should be more black coaches and gms but imagine owning a company and being told by an outsider who you should hire.

  30. The narrative fits the argument for coaches but not so much for players.
    There is only 31% of the NFL players that are not of color, but make up a much larger portion of the players that started playing the game at a young age. Their dream to play in the NFL ended because they lost to individuals with superior skills and/or determination. Some of these individuals that advanced were born with superior talent, but most of them worked harder to win the job. More weight room. More film study. Accepted coaching better.

    I am convinced that my team develops and promotes coaches according to similar metrics. It is the person that immerses themselves into their job and shows the desired growth and development. I feel quite certain that color is not a determining factor. And every year, some of these coaches are interviewed for head coaching vacancies.

  31. There’s been two coaches hired. One is a minority.

    I thought the Rooney Rule was for MINORITIES, not just black people.

  32. I’m not sure that a “rule” can change this. Owners are making the decisions that they feel are best for their franchise. I really would not want the league handing out draft picks or other tangible benefits for certain hires.

  33. There are 32 individual owners who are in charge of hiring NFL coaches and GMs. The league doesn’t have that responsibility. To really have a meaningful discussion, you might want to begin by finding out what percentage of the 32 owners support right wing extremists. Why beat around the bush? If that’s too uncomfortable, then continue on, but don’t expect anything to change. At least we’re pretending like we care.

  34. Do those that are “mind boggled” by coaches that are or aren’t hired also at zen with the 70% number that represent the players? Or the 90% drafted in the 1 round? Is it ever enough? Is it 100% or bust?

  35. I’m 100% for more black coaches and GMs, I don’t understand how you can have an industry made of 70% minorities and only have 10% of those men transition into coach or GM positions within the league. And the ratio has been that high for decades so it’s not like this is anything new.

  36. How can anyone still believe that in this day and age, with owners desperate to score woke points and keep money rolling in, and GMs desperate to keep their jobs, that coaching hire decisions are being made based on race instead of qualifications?

  37. Just maybe it has nothing to do with skin color. Bowles and Frazier have already been head coaches and were not successful. Leftwich is not HC material right now. He still needs to grow as an OC. EB keeps getting interviews but isn’t getting hired. Just maybe that has more to do with how he interviews rather his skin color. This is a performance driven league. The only color these owners care about is green.

  38. People of color represent sixty-nine percent (69%) of the players. Do you not read the articles “thesmartest1?”

  39. I am surprised that Reggie McKenzie did not have interviews. He had good drafts with the Raiders. I do think he is better than a lot of the retread GMs that got interviewed.

  40. So you mean to tell me Latinos/Asians/Etc don’t get much of a chance either but it’s the lack of “black coaches” which gets you upset just because they make up the higher percentage of players. What happened to equality? Or does it only apply if blacks don’t get a notch up in percentages? Let’s ask the question, does this mean black players are going to get overlooked to allow equality for other minorities to get a chance? No. Why? Because teams hire the best player. They should also be able to hire the best coach/executive regardless of race. The race of tbt coach is not relevant in 2021. Quit complaining

  41. The opportunities are there their just not seizing them. Whether or not there are 6000 capable minority candidates makes zero bit of difference on whether they should he hired what matters is if 1 of those 6000 are the best candidate.

  42. Litigation for what if you’re interviewing various candidates from all ethnic groups?

  43. EB never got the job because of what happened at Colorado U, but since the me too movement is dead now he can get the job, had nothing to do with skin color.

  44. The most qualified athletes in the world can get the job for their physical makeup and talents but the best coaches can’t because of their skin color. Funny world we live in

  45. “Ultimately, it could take the reality of litigation — and a public trial in open court — to make a real difference.“

    Public trial for what? Can’t businesses hire whomever they want if they think it’s the best man for the job? Have you ever thought maybe Eric Bienemy is a terrible interview or just not impressive? Does he even call plays or is it still Andy Reid?

  46. Look, I’m all for more opportunities for black coaches, but the question has to be asked: What does that look like? We have a rule to get minority coaches interviews, but what comes next? The only logical step I can think of is to mandate the hiring or at least on minority coach on each team. That’ll fix the problem, but who wants to be the diversity hire? As a black man, I can tell you, I don’t.
    Look, the NFL has a serious nepotism problem, and that, more than anything else is keeping minority candidates out of the big chair in many an organization. If you want more coaches from diverse backgrounds make it harder for people to hire their friends and family members.

  47. They do need more black coaches. Some guys don’t deserve the job like Zach Taylor, Adam Gase and a few others.

  48. I wouldn’t hold my breath on the list given with the exceptions of Leftwich and Bieniemy. More than anything else it seems the latest trend is going younger with head coaches with McVay, Zac Taylor, LaFleur and Brandon Staley coming to mind. There are some exceptions but that’s a decent amount of guys hired under the age of 40. I’m sure the continuation of the trend will depend on results.

    Anyone holding their breath on Leslie Frazier getting another shot should probably exhale. I would imagine Marvin Lewis or Jim Caldwell would see another chance before Frazier.

  49. I don’t think your best argument of bias is when teams have the opportunity to hire an Urban Meyer or even a Jon Gruden. Both proven coaches with championships. A better example is when a team decides to take a chance on a young, unproven, first time head coach. But if Bieniemy is hired by the Texans or Eagles, then you will have 2 minority hires out of 7. That is around 30% which is close to the assistant coach percentage. They key is for these guys to be successful so the next generation gets a shot.

  50. I’m no math Genius but the percent of coaches that are black doesn’t have to relate to the percent of black players. I think everyone will agree the players in the NFL played their way into those positions regardless of color. The same should be true for the coaches. Their record of winning ,how they interview, and how they articulate their plan for turning around the organization they are interviewing for is what’s important..Then you’ve got the population of African Americans here in the country which is about 13%. So if you have three African American coaches at every position of coaching, you’ve overachieved and it should be celebrated not vilified. As a country we should be getting past color and learning to understand competition is good. Americans are citizens with the same opportunity to achieve. If you’ve been treated wrongly based on color get a lawyer it’s a crime.

  51. I knew this was going to be a subject sooner than later. A lot of people will always point to Eric Bieniemy not getting a head coaching spot, but you have to dig deeper on that one to see what is really going on. On thing to me is the fact that, if really peal the layers back on his coaching, what does he really do in KC? Everyone knows that Reid creates and calls the plays. So what does he do? An offensive coordinator designs and calls plays. So I personally don’t see EB getting a head coaching spot any time soon.

  52. People of color represent sixty-nine percent (69%) of the players. SHOULDN’T this be where we strive to get equality ??

  53. I think that this points out an interesting point , why is the league 69% black. Are you telling me that let’s say a white man can not be a CB in the league. There has not been a starting white CB since Jason Seahorn. I for one did not have any organized football where I lived until I was in high school. I see countless stories of inner city youth having football as a way to promote team work, work ethic, and values. Many are playing at the age of 4 or 5.which is cool but when you use numbers like you do, you invite questions like this. Should that be a conversation. You see if you want to discuss race, unless you really want to discuss race you have to be able to answer some questions, you might not want to answer.

  54. This is an extremely simple concept that it seems most are too ignorant to comprehend. No one is saying that minorities should be given jobs they are not qualified for. This is designed to eliminate the “good ol boys club” cycle of perpetuity, where rich old white guys only give interviews and opporunities to other rich old white guys.

  55. You mean, a lot of these owners who are trump supporters don’t want a person of color as the face of their franchise, you don’t say. Welcome to america.

  56. At least Graves listed coaches he thought should have been hired as opposed to the empty refrain of more black coaches should be hired as just a general statement.
    The problem is, all of the coaches he mentioned have notable questions about their resume.
    Eric Bienemy doesn’t call the Chiefs plays.
    Todd Bowles wasn’t a particularly good head coach in his last opportunity and the Bucs defence has been wildly inconsistent this year.
    Leslie Fraser also had a less than stellar tenure as head coach, and runs a similarly inconsistent Bills defence that regressed significantly from the previous season.
    Joe Woods did well in Denver as their defensive coordinator, but his Browns defence this year wasn’t anything special, ranking in the middle of the pack.
    Robert Saleh on the other hand worked wonders with the 49ers defence riddled with injuries, the year after having the best defence in the league and thus desired by many teams and ultimately hired by the Jets.

  57. A lot of you just make excuses for what is obviously wrong. If you can’t see that this disparity is wrong then clearly YOU are part of the problem because one thing WE all know is that when you don’t get your way, you cry like a Saints fan after the Rams beat them in the NFCC game in 2019.

  58. People of color represent sixty-nine percent (69%) of the players and thirty-five percent (35%) of assistant coaches. In contrast, the NFL has one president, three general managers, and three head coaches who are Black.”
    ——
    Problem is, they only represent about 11% of society. Want more black folks in positions of power? Make more black folks.

  59. Now please don’t look to label me or misunderstand what I am saying. But 3 Black head coaches out of 32 teams is roughly 10%. That is a good average considering the current level of minority second tier coaches in the NFL (offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator). You can’t pick from a group of talent if the sheer numbers are not there to begin with.

    Now lets look at the collage ranks and see what shakes out as Black head coaches. I don’t know the numbers, but I am willing to guess it is less or equal to 10%. That is where you need to start with opportunity’s for black coaches.

    Most collage rank Head coaches have a shorter path to a NFL head coach or a offensive coordinator or defensive coordinator roles with teams. Getting the minority coaches jobs in collage provides head coaching experience that can help to translate to success in the Pro’s. Getting more candidates will translate to a lager number of potential people to become head coaches and this also can be said about GM roles. Being a collage athletics director will only help in getting the doors open in the NFL.

  60. Do owners who have hired unsuccessful black coaches and managers in the past get a pass on the accusations of racism?

    Haslams (Cleveland; e.g.) have hired (6) coaches and (1) of them – the longest tenured – was 3-36-1. (.088). At least (3) general managers in that time (including the current one) are black.

    Todd Bowles was 24-40-1 (.375) over four years with the New York Jets. Is it racists to fire a coach after (4) unsuccessful seasons? I can name more than one white HC who was fired after 1, 2, or 3 seasons of failure.

    Leslie Frazier was HC for 3-1/2 years in Minnesota. His record was 21-32-1 (.398) Leslie’s replacement – a white guy – has a .576 record in the 5 seasons since.

  61. Might it not be more racist that 14% of the population makes up almost 70% of the premier workforce? To me – I’m just a guy – the coaching ranks seem more in line with the broader population. Maybe the “equal justice warriors” should focus on more equitable drafting of white players? We’re apparently dealing with indentured servitude! (Except of course we know the players are paid millions of dollars.)

  62. Jaguars: Shad Khan is the only minority owner in the NFL.Pakistani born Muslim. 1 of 32. Should he follow the same rules? Despite being in the league from 1996 it was the first team in history to have 3 black QBs on the roster – Leftwich, Gerrard and Quinn.
    Shack Harris, first black QB in the NFL was GM from 2003 – 2009. And all the hate because they hired Urban Meyer.

  63. It was so refreshing over the last week when I read of a coaching hire and it did NOT mention race in the article so i had to go look it up (I admit I dont follow/know a lot of these names) but man it was nice just to see an article talk about something beside race.

  64. No surprise. Racism is in America’s DNA. Always has been. From 1619 when the first slave ship arrived.
    ———-
    Well we know what book in on your nightstand. Sad, as this conversation is not rooted in logic or fact as the country is far less racist than it ever has been yet there are some fools who want to paint us as full of color based hate. Not going for it. It’s not true and you can’t tell me billionaires will lose money just because they’re racist.
    We need to have the woke left wake up and stop this identity nonsense.

  65. egomaniac247 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 8:31 am
    There’s been two coaches hired. One is a minority.

    I thought the Rooney Rule was for MINORITIES, not just black people.
    ______________

    Spot on. To be fair, the FPA is specifically for the advancement of black people, and the quoted member of the alliance doesn’t mention the Rooney Rule. Florio brings up the Rooney Rule later to suggest that the boxes are being checked, but perhaps something more should be done.

    I personally don’t mind the rule, because it gets minorities interviews that they may otherwise not have gotten. More interviews may lead to jobs down the line. It takes time, and I don’t think there should be any further regulations added to the rule. I feel that no one should be told who to hire, so I think the complaint in the article is off base, and causes further push back and divide.

  66. I honestly feel the Rooney rule is an insult to blacks. They HAVE to be interviewed. If a team is only interviewing them because they have to, but have no real interest in hiring that person, don’t waste their time. Look how the Steelers pulled Mike Tomlin out of nowhere. Now that’s knowing what you want in a head coach.

  67. 2. “The best guy gets the job”

    —————

    That’s a problem no one ever mentions. They like it doesn’t exist. The disparity for female coaches, that is. Even just now, it’s automatically assumed it has to be a guy

  68. The laziest argument against the NFL is that the overrepresentation of blacks among the players means that the proportional representation of blacks among the coaches must be due to racism….especially given that the NFL is actively trying to recruit women – who have never played football at any level – into the ranks of NFL coaches.

    Clearly, the league does not see a history of playing football as being relevant to the ability to coach.

  69. As a Vikings fan, I remember the games where Leslie faced off against Lovie. I always thought someone had cut their headset cables, and they hadn’t noticed, because they never said anything.

  70. I guess I am old school. I believe you hire a person based on their qualifications, regardless of race.

    Unfortunately, in this day and age, race and ID politics have to be the first consideration in a hire.

    Its silly and divisive

  71. So with roughly 50% of the population being female, does it also stand to reason that 50% of head coaches should be female? Sorry… it just doesn’t work.

  72. There is a flaw in the argument that because almost 70% of the players are black, that should be reflected in the number of coaches and front office people. The players are athletes first. They have spent their lives perfecting their skill set to perform on the field. Unfortunately, those skills don’t directly translate into management and finance skills. The managerial positions do not require playing experience at the NFL level. They do require an entirely different skill set. Managerial talent in an unbiased system would reflect the population as a whole–because the pool of management talent is across the entire population, not just the set of exceptional athletes. We are close to achieving that.

  73. First of all stop with the “look at his past” regarding EB. Do you want me to go down the very long list of issues with your fellow white counter parts??? The drunks, the sexual harassment, etc.? No you don’t so just stop. Everyone just looks past that or will never mention it! He’s Black, that’s it, they don’t want a black man running the show. White men with much less experience and in the same Reid/EB situation are getting the same jobs. Call it what it is, stop dancing around the truth. The truth hurts. You don’t want to go down the front office situation either, they barely have one black guy in those positions either. Those white GM’s give all those positions to their friends, the guy they went to daycare with who played pee wee football, that’s their experience! That’s it! It’s a joke.
    Just please stop with all the “Rooney rule is racist” easy for you to say because you have no idea what it is like NOT to get something based on your skin color! Walk a mile in my shoes for one day, bet you will change your mind.

  74. The disparity of the number of black players compared to the number of white players is significant. Lest we forget the players make a whole lot more, on average, than coaches do. The coaches may a hold a position of power hierarchy-wise in the locker room, but in the world, the players with big contracts are kings. So that disparity with players is nothing to scoff at. It’s a legitimate argument when the majority of all salary caps are going to black players

  75. Who’s fighting for all the great WHITE candidates not getting a chance too? There are white coordinators consistently in the Top 10 yet we never hear their name being championed by the media. Why?

    Guys like Saints’ Pete Carmichael, 10+ years with Saints doing exactly what Bieneimy does in KC. Greg Roman, #1 offense last year, some great years of work in SF. Where’s the outrage that they deserve too?

  76. It’s not logical to say that the percentage of black head coaches should mirror the percentage of black players in the NFL. Most head coaches in the NFL didn’t play in the NFL. Most coaches did play football in college. The percentage of college football players who are black is much lower than in the NFL.

  77. My team has a black coach, who i love. A black GM who i think is shrewd in his business dealings but can’t identify superstar talent. I have a white owner who hired these two black gentlemen but who is labeled a racist for having had a fundraiser for Trump. I don’t know, by being ultra focused on race and racism, i see no improvement in society. Only more disagreement and hate.

  78. Could it be that the best candidate should be hired?, if not is a franchise who is “encouraged” to hire someone who is not the best candidate putting themselves in a position where they play “catch up” for the next five years…..

  79. The black population in the NFL is much larger than 13 percent. The folks who keep saying that are trying to skew numbers to fit a narrative. There are many black coaches within the college and pro ranks and few put in positions of power. It’s no secret the league is a good ole’ boys club that profits off black bodies, but doesn’t see them as intellectual equals. The problem is race and nothing further. We’ve seen the Jeff Fisher’s and Marty Schottenheimer’s of the world reap more chances than any coach of color could even fathom. Let’s be real.

  80. I have two words for you, Adam Gase. Failure is rewarded for some coaches, achievement is not recognized for other coaches. There are plenty of examples where the minority candidate is passed over for the white candidate and merit /achievement was not considered. It’s difficult to break the cycle but very critical to do so, if for no other reason than to stop the recycling of bad coaches that put out a bad product out on the field.

  81. Todd Bowles and Les Frazier were both head coaches and failed miserably. Time for the Fritz Pollard Alliance to go. Racism does not cure racism. A coach should be hired on merit and nothing else.

  82. I got an idea, how about you sit and eat at the table like a big boy.

    Think about this…. nobody knows who rod graves is, nobody cares, he is only relevant because of this perceived thing. Perhaps he has a slight bias. If this alliance didn’t exist, he would have to find a new way to be relevant. That’s all this is

  83. A glance through these comments proves that there are very few who understand implicit bias. Sigh….

  84. Do interviews truly sway an organization one way or another? 99.9% of the time, the organizations know who they want long before any interviews take place. In that sense, interviews are a waste of time. It’s patronizing to interview a guy, knowing you’re not going to hire him, just to check a box.

  85. terrystown says:
    January 19, 2021 at 10:24 am
    Todd Bowles and Les Frazier were both head coaches and failed miserably. Time for the Fritz Pollard Alliance to go. Racism does not cure racism. A coach should be hired on merit and nothing else.
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    How did Adam Gase and Jeff Fisher fare? You also have to give coaches fighting shots. The GMs in both situations didn’t put together teams that could be won with. Let’s keep it real

  86. The real problem is guys like Gase and McDaniels getting multiple shots… Most the black candidates on the list here aren’t overly appealing for pretty valid reasons…until you see guys like Gase and McDaniels getting multiple chances. Then it becomes a question of how are the black candidates possibly worse than these hack retreads? I’m guessing the retreads talk a real nice talk…but the perception is still bad.

  87. The problem is the SECOND CHANCES. There are rumors that Adam Gase is getting interviews for OC – seriously? The JETs averaged about 10 points a game for 2 years. Or Josh McDaniels as HC AGAIN? The players HATED him – what did he learn, to be a bigger a**hat next time? BTW, as an OC, his teams are NOT offensive powerhouses. Jim Caldwell got fired for going 9-7 twice, in comes Matt Patricia a “genius” DC who’s teams in 3 years gave up about 37 points a game … I’m sure Matt Patricia will have a job again long before Jim caldwell.

  88. glac1 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 10:44 am
    Ever since 2008 this country thrives on racism and division…
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    You should read a history book. This country has always thrived off racism and division. CC: Slavery, Jim Crow, the New Jim Crow

  89. I have watched my team over the years have two black head coaches Dennis Green and Leslie Frazier and two defensive coordinators Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin go on to become head coaches. Its not like it don’t ever happen. If you are exceptional at what you do it will get noticed. Mike Zimmer a white guy had to wait along time for his chance. I just don’t see having to hire based on skin color. It should be on if you can do the job and do it well

  90. It’s not “mind-boggling” in the least. It’s just a handful of positions each year, and just as with the white candidates, the leading black candidates are a mix of already-gotten-a-chance (Frazier, Morris, Caldwell) and maybe-ready (Bieniemy, Leftwich), so slam dunks are few.

    I may not personally understand hires like what the Chargers have done – from outside it seems like a Bieniemy or Caldwell would bring more to the table – but we’re not signing the paychecks.

    Graves is in a role where he has to be an advocate for something, in this case something valuable. I’d prefer he not use hyperbole, and wait until after hires are complete before characterizing anything, but everything he says has to be looked at through that lens.

  91. The “opportunities” are obviously there. The Rooney Rule REQUIRES “people of color” be interviewed (and the racist aspect of this is blithely ignored). So, blacks have ample “opportunity” toobtain head coaching positions. The fact that they aren’t hired is in no way, shape or form due to a “lack of opportunities”. What an ignorant thing to utter.

  92. “You should read a history book. This country has always thrived off racism and division. CC: Slavery, Jim Crow, the New Jim Crow”

    So, regale us how all of this stopped a black president, many black head coaches, 70% of the NFL being “of color”, the multitudes of black athletes, politicians, entertainers, etc. If YOU believe that blacks are lacking opportunities today, then you are willfully blind. On the other hand, why don’t you tell us about the over-representation of black fatherless children?

  93. Man you are in your own world aren’t you. If the man is qualified then you hire him. Doesn’t matter what he looks like or his beliefs,etc. You need to get out in the real world bud. Man oh man.

  94. There’s too much money in the racism (aka agitator) business to just have a meritocracy. Diversity for the sake of diversity is pure chaos. Do you really believe the Fritz Pollard Alliance really want to solve the problem ? No, because then they would be out of business. Follow the $$$$, it, unlike people, does not lie…..

  95. Here’s how you eliminate all this nonsense.

    Get rid of the Rooney rule.

    It’s unnecessary and all it does is continue to promote divisiveness where none is needed.

    The cream will rise to the top, regardless of skin color. That’s the way it works.

  96. It is a pathetic testament to the persistence of white privilege and the unwillingness to acknowledge institutional, systemic racism in this country. It is ludicrous and a deliberate deflection to suggest something is ‘racist’ because the law or policy acknowledges race in decisions that affect the lives of minorities careers, housing, health and well-being.

    These are deliberate and dishonest efforts to resist change….

  97. And, at the risk of getting too political and not wanting to bring up the out-going President — why is it Kamala Harris is capable to be Vice President, but she was not viewed as capable to be President?

    Actually, most of the folks on the Democratic side didn’t view her as capable. She did very poorly in the Democratic primaries. She is VP now because Joe Biden was elected. Nobody votes for the VP in either party.

  98. dolphin80 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 11:26 am
    Here’s how you eliminate all this nonsense.

    Get rid of the Rooney rule.

    It’s unnecessary and all it does is continue to promote divisiveness where none is needed.

    The cream will rise to the top, regardless of skin color. That’s the way it works.
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    That’s not how it works. Do you know how many “creams” rose to head coaching positions and never won Super Bowl? Many became head coaches and failed miserably.

  99. shanemcshane says:
    January 19, 2021 at 11:20 am
    “You should read a history book. This country has always thrived off racism and division. CC: Slavery, Jim Crow, the New Jim Crow”

    So, regale us how all of this stopped a black president, many black head coaches, 70% of the NFL being “of color”, the multitudes of black athletes, politicians, entertainers, etc. If YOU believe that blacks are lacking opportunities today, then you are willfully blind. On the other hand, why don’t you tell us about the over-representation of black fatherless children?
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    So you want to learn about slavery and how slave owners routinely separated father’s from their families and its trickle down? Or do you want to learn about mass incarceration?

  100. positive2021 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 9:55 am
    First of all stop with the “look at his past” regarding EB. Do you want me to go down the very long list of issues with your fellow white counter parts??? The drunks, the sexual harassment, etc.? No you don’t so just stop. Everyone just looks past that or will never mention it! He’s Black, that’s it, they don’t want a black man running the show. White men with much less experience and in the same Reid/EB situation are getting the same jobs. Call it what it is, stop dancing around the truth. The truth hurts. You don’t want to go down the front office situation either, they barely have one black guy in those positions either. Those white GM’s give all those positions to their friends, the guy they went to daycare with who played pee wee football, that’s their experience! That’s it! It’s a joke.
    Just please stop with all the “Rooney rule is racist” easy for you to say because you have no idea what it is like NOT to get something based on your skin color! Walk a mile in my shoes for one day, bet you will change your mind.

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    Actually, yes, I would like you to go down that list. If a coach is a scumbag, I don’t want him representing the team I root for. White or Black or Martian. The hypocrisy narrative doesn’t work when you’re putting words in other people’s mouths. Actually we as white people do know what it’s like to not get something because of our skin color. Know what we don’t get? The benefit of the doubt that we aren’t racists with hate in our hearts. Even my black friends have noticed that white people are being vilified more and more nowadays just for being white. It’s not fun. We’re all in this together, brother. Let’s work together, not against each other

  101. youngnoize says:
    January 19, 2021 at 11:56 am
    dolphin80 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 11:26 am
    Here’s how you eliminate all this nonsense.

    Get rid of the Rooney rule.

    It’s unnecessary and all it does is continue to promote divisiveness where none is needed.

    The cream will rise to the top, regardless of skin color. That’s the way it works.
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    That’s not how it works. Do you know how many “creams” rose to head coaching positions and never won Super Bowl? Many became head coaches and failed miserably.

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    Respectfully, you’re neglecting to remember just how competitive the NFL is. It’s not like college. One of 32 teams win the Super Bowl every year. It is incredibly hard to get there, much less win. Aside from a few HCs who were just laughably over their heads (some of whom were Black, by the way), the vast majority of NFL coaches “fail miserably” if winning Super Bowls is the only criterion. And if there were many more Black coaches, many more would “fail miserably.” Your words. If, again, never winning a Super Bowl is failing miserably

  102. What’s mind-boggling is the number of people that don’t realize correlation doesn’t equal causation. What’s more likely…I don’t play in the NBA because 1. Don’t understand the game or 2. I’m a 5’9″ white guy? Being an elite player doesn’t mean you will be a good coach or GM. Adrian Peterson has made over $100 mil, has 6 kids, and is broke. If you are an owner do you make him a GM because he was an amazing RB? Hell, let me put this out there…John Elway couldn’t spot a good QB unless he was looking in the mirror. Him and Bill Polian had the same claim to fame…they knew Payton Manning was going to be good…wow…impressive…the fact of the matter is when it comes to my own personal money, I’m hiring the best person, period.

  103. some are deliberately, falsely claiming this is about ‘diversity’… rather, it is about fairness and efforts to correct for, adjust for and remedy longstanding racial bias in hiring. period.

  104. kevines255 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 12:19 pm
    What’s mind-boggling is the number of people that don’t realize correlation doesn’t equal causation. What’s more likely…I don’t play in the NBA because 1. Don’t understand the game or 2. I’m a 5’9″ white guy? Being an elite player doesn’t mean you will be a good coach or GM. Adrian Peterson has made over $100 mil, has 6 kids, and is broke. If you are an owner do you make him a GM because he was an amazing RB? Hell, let me put this out there…John Elway couldn’t spot a good QB unless he was looking in the mirror. Him and Bill Polian had the same claim to fame…they knew Payton Manning was going to be good…wow…impressive…the fact of the matter is when it comes to my own personal money, I’m hiring the best person, period.

    John Elway was not a good qb.

  105. “People of color represent sixty-nine percent (69%) of the players and thirty-five percent (35%) of assistant coaches. In contrast, the NFL has one president, three general managers, and three head coaches who are Black.”
    ++++++++++++++++
    Why is the 69% metric pertinent? Using that metric as a basis for % of coaches / management positions is ridiculous. It assumes that A) All coaches / management must come the player ranks and B) That all 69% are coach / management material. Neither of those things are true. It also equally the case for the other 31% of white players. Furthermore, in this day & age, and with a plethora highly successful black coaches and management examples, why would any team NOT hire a highly qualified black candidate?

  106. People of color represent sixty-nine percent (69%) of the players.

    So? Is anyone going to argue that the same skill set required to be a great football player is the same skill set required to be a Head Coach or GM. Does it matter how big you are to be a Head Coach or GM? No. Does it matter how fast? No. Does is matter how much you bench? 90% of what make a pro football player is physical abilities. 100% of what makes a Head Coach or GM is non-physical abilities. Not to say that black people cannot make great head coaches. There already have been. It’s just saying instead of looking at the break down of 69% of the players are black, look at the fact that 13% of the population is black.

  107. Eric Bieniemy has gotten like 10 interviews over the last 2 years, and has not been hired once. Maybe, he is not impressive in the interviews. Maybe, he doesn’t have a good sense of roster management, talent evaluation, etc, etc, etc. He does not even call the plays on Sundays for the Chiefs.

    Does anyone actually think in 2021, these owners who interviewed EB, said to themselves, “Wow, this is a great coach with great command of team structure, building culture, building a roster, discipline. He’s a guy that will take us to the Super Bowl, but I’m not going to hire him because he is black.”

    More than likely, he was very average in the interview, and the owners did not want to invest the time and money into someone who they perceived as average.

    Robert Saleh just got hired. He probably impressed the hell out of the ownership.

  108. Being a position coach is different than being a coordinator which is different than being a head coach. The further up the chain you go, the more administrative the position becomes and the less relevant any sort of playing skill becomes. The league is comprised of 65%-70% black players because at the elite level of competition that the NFL represents you find more black players with the elite physical skills. However, a really good time in the 40 and a great vertical leap which can get you a job playing wide receiver or corner back is entirely irrelevant to being a head coach, general manager, or anything else like that.

  109. Why am I not surprised that the vast majority of comments here are bashing the report or dismissing the concerns of minorities. The demographics of this site are painfully obvious

  110. Naterade says:
    January 19, 2021 at 1:02 pm

    John Elway was not a good qb.
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    While his overall QB rating was not great, his 0.643 win percentage, 9 Pro Bowls, 5 Super Bowls, and 2 Lombardis would suggest that he was pretty good. Nonetheless, he has proven poor at evaluating talent at the QB position. His gamble that Peyton was recovered from his neck injury and had some good years leafy paid off, but outside of that his knowledge of the position for having played it effectively for 16 years has not panned out for him as an evaluator of QB talent.

  111. positive2021 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 9:55 am
    First of all stop with the “look at his past” regarding EB. Do you want me to go down the very long list of issues with your fellow white counter parts??? The drunks, the sexual harassment, etc.? No you don’t so just stop.
    _________________________________________

    Drunks, sexual harassment, I have some news for you EB checks both of those boxes and a few others! He’s had one DUI and sexual harassment charges(that were dropped because of a payoff) when he was at Colorado State as a player and later when he was the OC. He once had so many points on his licence because of traffic offences that he lost them for a year!

    OH yea I almost forgot the 3 assault charges for attacking a female parking lot attendent, assaulting a firefighter and he was in a bar fight.

    And possibly the biggest strike against him is he’s very poor in interviews as reported by several teams over the last couple of years.

    Also that’s 100% Reid’s offense and Andy always calls the plays unless it’s a blowout! Just watch who’s hands the playsheet is in 99% of the time, it’s NOT Bieniemy’s.

  112. cafetero1075 says:
    January 19, 2021 at 9:04 am
    They do need more black coaches. Some guys don’t deserve the job like Zach Taylor, Adam Gase and a few others.

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    So they got hired because they’re white?

  113. before calling this article rttash remember hat Adam Gase is still in the circuit….now how could that possibly be?? #goodolboysclub

  114. So we have to get rid of the past (statues etc) but we still need to bring up slavery? Aren’t we trying to forget the past? Oh right unless it fits our agenda (which it doesn’t, because nobody alive today was a slave), so let’s use it to our advantage.

    IT’S NOT TO YOUR ADVABTAGE!!!!! STOP IT!!!!!! It’s like the Rooney rule, it’s making things worse not better.

    Biden (who I voted for) is going to hire every minority person he can find whether or not they are suited for the job now. If I saw this coming I wouldn’t have voted at all.

  115. 5.6% of the U.S. population is identified as Asian, 13.4% as Black, 18% as Latino. Where’s the representation for Asian/Latino/Other minorities?

    Some details to show the representation around the league from the TIDES 2020 NFL Report Card

    NFL Players:

    White – 418 (25%)
    Black/African American – 967 (57.5%)
    Hispanic/Latino – 7 (0.4%)
    Asian – 2 (0.1%)
    Hawaiian or Pac Islander – 27 (1.6%)
    Native – 3 (0.2%)
    Two or more races – 158 (9.4%)
    Undisclosed – 96 (5.7%)
    Other – 4 (0.2%)

    Head Coaches/Assistant Coaches/League Office:

    White – 1039 (64.7%)
    Black/African American – 335 (20.9%)
    Hispanic/Latino – 61 (3.8%)
    Asian – 90 (5.6%)
    Hawaiian or Pac Islander – 7 (0.4%)
    Native – 2 (0.1%)
    Two or more races – 29 (1.8%)
    Undisclosed – 42 (2.6%)

    Total Representation:

    White – 1457(44.3%)
    Black/African American – 1302 (39.6%)
    Hispanic/Latino – 68 (2.1%)
    Asian – 92 (2.8%)
    Hawaiian or Pac Islander – 34 (1.0%)
    Native – 5 (0.2%)
    Two or more races – 187 (5.7%)
    Undisclosed – 142 (4.3%)

    NFL gets a near failing grade for representing the Black community right?

  116. Garbanzo says:
    January 19, 2021 at 12:40 pm
    some are deliberately, falsely claiming this is about ‘diversity’… rather, it is about fairness and efforts to correct for, adjust for and remedy longstanding racial bias in hiring. period.

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    Hiring the head coach of an NFL team is based upon who is best for the job. These owners spend millions of dollars, and they would like to recoup it and make more. They aren’t in business to lose money. They hire the best person for the job period. There are many NFL owners that do incredible work in minority communities and really give back (and I mean more than writing a check) which is why this argument continues to be baseless.

    If you want a job, be better than the next guy. Yes there are a**holes out there who are racist. Rise above and be diligent. Is it easy, no. What do you do, give up?

  117. “hiring the best for the job”…. is whitespeak for… “look, I’m just not comfortable with…x, y or z”

  118. Although I’ve always believed owners hire the guy they feel is the best candidate for the job, yes some of these hires in the past few years are ridiculous.

    Anyone can agree that Jim Caldwell and Marvin Lewis are more qualified coaches than Brandon Staley and Dan Campbell

  119. If Bieniemy is as good of an OC as everyone assumes, why is it that Andy Reid doesn’t let him call the plays?

  120. All the media attention and energy around this subject is a big negative. There is already a great deal of pressure just being an NFL coach. If a minority coach has to wait and extra year or two before given the opportunity then maybe that will better prepare him when he gets his chance so they should keep working hard. I see the glass as half full.

  121. Mr. Graves….i guess i would probably need to know what you yourself did to help young black coaches and managers get ahead in your previous life as a high ranking official for the Cardinals & Jets

  122. Why does there have to be more diversity? Why is that just assumed to be a “good?”
    Hiring people simply because of their race or sexuality is discriminatory. I wonder how black candidates feel when they go to one of these “Rooney Rule” interviews knowing it’s just a sham?

    It’s one thing to try to ensure equal opportunity, it’s another to enforce equal outcomes. Black men should do all they can to make themselves great candidates. Being black simply isn’t a qualification to be the head coach of a multimillion dollar organization.

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