In one fateful moment, Matt LaFleur underestimated two GOATs

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The Green Bay Packers’ 2020 season came down to one decision. And it was the wrong decision. As time passes, more and more people inside and outside the organization will realize how wrong it was.

After landing in a 28-10 hole that created a clear sense that the game was over, the Packers clawed back. A pair of touchdowns (and a dropped two-point conversion) made it a five-point game, 28-23, with 24 seconds left in the third quarter.

The game then went Buccaneers interception, Packers punt, Buccaneers interception, Packers punt before an eight-play, 44-yard Tampa Bay drive ended in a 46-yard field goal, making the score 31-23.

The Packers got the ball with 4:42 to go. Six plays later, they had a first and goal at the Buccaneers’ eight. First down? Incomplete pass. Second down? Incomplete pass. Third down? Incomplete pass. Fourth down? Field goal.

Field goal? Yes, field goal. Field goal, despite having access to one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, a player on the brink of completing a comeback even more impressive than the one accomplished by the Seahawks against the Packers six years earlier in the NFC Championship. Field goal, despite giving the ball back to one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, a player who is good enough to ice the game under those circumstances (which he did).

Why not go for the touchdown? Quarterback Aaron Rodgers chose his words carefully when discussing the situation, pointing out that it wasn’t his decision and that he didn’t have much of a chance to push back on the call made by coach Matt LaFleur.

“I look over to the sideline, I see five big guys running on the field,” Rodgers said of the moments after the third-down play. “There’s a lot of gymnastics that has to happen to get us to be able to go for it there. But I don’t know. That decision was made, and we moved on.”

LaFleur surely will wonder whether he made the right decision. Rodgers surely will wonder whether he should have asserted himself more, even if it meant calling one of the team’s timeouts.

Yes, the Packers still needed to score from the eight, if they’d gone for it. Yes, they also had to convert a two-pointer. But kicking the field goal meant they had to get the ball back and then score another touchdown.

Failure on fourth and goal from the eight would have given the Buccaneers the ball on the eight, perhaps setting the stage for a more careful Tampa Bay drive and, in turn, a greater chance of getting possession again.

That said, they would have had to stop Brady. But they still had to stop Brady.

Basically, LaFleur’s decision to take the field goal underestimated two GOATS in one moment. He underestimate his own GOAT in Aaron Rodgers, and then he underestimated the other GOAT in Tom Brady.

Brady proved LaFleur wrong. Rodgers didn’t get a chance to.

133 responses to “In one fateful moment, Matt LaFleur underestimated two GOATs

  1. I can’t really blame LaFleur for kicking the field goal after he just watched his quarterback not attempt to run on 2nd and 3rd and goal. Aaron Rodgers also didn’t capitalize on Brady’s three interceptions by only scoring on one turnover. However, if you go for it and fail, The Bucs are inside the ten yard line and need to get two first downs against your defense the played well.

  2. I was in a few group chats where we all questioned the same thing. I don’t understand kicking a field goal when you still need a TD after the fact. So you ultimately need to stop Brady anyway. I would have preferred aiming to tie it. If you don’t get it, the Bucs get the ball backed up and the Packers can still try to force a three and out to get the ball back to try to tie again. If you get it, the game is tied.

    For such an aggressive coach, it was a passive play that ultimately cost them the game.

  3. Still a little puzzling that one of the GOATs didn’t run on third down when he had some open field…but I guess not to run was his decision.

  4. It made zero sense as it implies that Lafleur trusted his defense to get a stop.

    If you go for it on 4th down and miss (with the best red zone offense in NFL history and the MVP), Tampa gets the ball on their 8 yard line with the 2 minute warning and 3 timeouts for Green Bay. You get a stop (like you already planned on doing) and you get the ball back in better field positions and a timeout to drive down the field and tie.

    Even if you score and miss on the 2 pt conversion, you’re in the exact same position you were hoping for except you only need a field goal to win. And this is all ignoring the fact it’s Tom Brady on the other side. It’s really an all time terrible coaching decision.

  5. Brady who hadn’t thrown an INT on the road since Sept threw 3 straight in the second half, one bad play call didn’t lose this game

  6. Not sure how is going to live this down.

    I can’t name a great coach that would have take the ball out his QBs hands.

  7. When Rodgers forces his way out of town we will look back at this moment as being the straw that finally broke the camels back.

  8. When Rodgers was young and leading a sixth seed with no pressure on, he won a Super Bowl. As expectations have increased since then, he’s lost four straight conference championship games. He had three opportunities to score from the 8 so I don’t know how confident we can be that he would do it on the fourth try. Maybe we need to face the possibility that Rodgers is a great player who chokes in the biggest spots.

  9. When Aaron Rogers leaves the Packers one day, then you’ll find out exactly just how good a coach Matt LaFluer really is or is not. With Aaron Rogers 98% of Matt La Fluer’s work is done.

  10. Two GOATS? That’s utter nonsense. Tom Brady is the GOAT. Rodgers is a great QB, but he’s no where near the GOAT.

  11. Sorry Rodgers is long out of the “GOAT” conversation, he just hasn’t gotten it done anywhere near enough

  12. On the flip side, had Rodgers asserted himself, called a TO, gone for it and missed, we’d now be commenting on a story about Packer disfunction or the like. It’s the media’s job to second guess but personally I didn’t have a problem with the call. 3 time outs and Brady just wasn’t clicking in the second half. Had King not tugged that shirt the ball would have sailed over the receivers head, Rodgers would’ve gotten another shot with time and timeouts. We would probably be having a different conversation right now.

  13. LaFleur got the deer in the headlights look and took the safest path at the moment but there weren’t a lot of moments left in the game and they’d never see that chance again. Some guys learn from mistakes like this while others will just keep repeating it throughout their careers. We’ll eventually see which camp LaFleur falls into.

  14. It’s simply one of the worst calls in NFL history. No amount of rationalization can change that.

  15. LaFleur has so far said the right things. Some coaches like BB would just say that’s what he did and refuse to talk about. LaFleur has said it felt right at the time. If he’s ever asked if he would do it differently his answer had better be “yes of course” or his ego is too big for the job.

  16. You always take points. The media always has “the answers” after the fact. 20/20 hindsight makes it easy….

  17. Nt fair for Tom Brady to “own ” Super Bowl appearances, especially with different teams. Tom: Give some of the other QBs a chance. Retire!

  18. There’s only one GOAT. It’s Tom Brady
    Period the end!

    The wanna be GOAT (Rogers) had the ball TWICE
    1st and goal on the five yard line and could put it in the end zone.

    Brady was two for two (2tds) in the red zone.

    The play of the game was the TD to Miller at the half.

    When Rogers D gave him 2 ints Rogers went 3 and out on both
    One more time the wannna be came up small

  19. These young coaches are great with the X’s and O’s, but it’s two old retread coaches going to the super bowl. Don’t underestimate experience.

  20. How many superbowls would brady have if opposing coaches would just make BASIC rudementary correct calls at the end of games instead of historically all-time-worst-calls-in-the-history-of-competitive-sports terrible ones?

  21. if you want to go to the superbowl, you play to win the game. not chip away at the lead.

  22. As expectations have increased since then, he’s lost four straight conference championship games.
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    12 point lead with 3:58 to go in Seattle.. had to get a FG just to get to OT.. never got the ball back

    31-0 deficit against Atlanta to open the 3rd Q
    27-0 deficit against the 9ers last year

    Name a QB that could win games with defenses that collapse like that?

  23. While this decision was absolutely stupid – it wasn’t the only bad decision.

    1. The play calling was kind of lame – one run or at least some solid play action would have been advisable.

    2. Rodgers showed extremely bad judgment up on third down – he had a relatively clear path to run it in and instead he forces a throw to an receiver that was totally covered and had almost zero chance to make that play. Would he have made it in if he’d run? I don’t know – but it sure looked like if he didn’t, it would have been close – maybe the one or two yard line. And I bet they go for it then.

    Nothing they could have done guaranteed a win – but what they did do was to completely blow their best chance – I’d say maybe a 50/50 chance – and trade it for maybe a 10-15 percent chance.

  24. “a player on the brink of completing a comeback even more impressive than the one accomplished by the Seahawks against the Packers six years earlier in the NFC Championship”.

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    Nope, the Packers blowing a 16-0 halftime lead and 19-7 lead with 5 minutes left to play would still have been more impressive. Especially when you factor in the onside kick recovery and 5 yard Hail Mary 2 pt conversion …and the bomb to KO GB in OT…not even close. One of the best parts about this debacle is it’s a different coach, still conservative to a fault. And seeing the Packers fans that always tell people “play better and don’t put it in the refs hands” …crying incessantly about the refs. Oh, the irony. I love it.

  25. Good insight in this article. I totally agree. I would add this excerp from The Ringer:

    “Trailing the Bucs by eight points with 2:05 remaining, Green Bay faced a fourth-and-goal from the 8-yard line. Rather than going for it, though, Packers coach Matt LaFleur opted to kick a field goal which cut the lead to five. They needed to score a touchdown, and were 8 yards from the end zone. Instead they kicked a field goal, meaning they … still needed a touchdown, but didn’t have the ball anymore. They’d never touch it again.”

  26. RussianBreadMaker says:
    January 25, 2021 at 10:49 am
    What happened to that little decision making paper that coaches used to use?
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    All of those papers are locked in a barn. The same barn that Mike McCarthy spent a year in studying analytics.

  27. Doug Pederson would have gone for it. To win a championship you have to go for it all and risk everything

  28. Only one player at a position can be called the greatest. Has it occurred to anyone that Donovan McNabb and Aaron Rodgers have the same 1-4 record in conference championship games?

  29. A 4th down calculator gave them 9% chance to win by kicking the FG and 10% by going for it. Arguably the fateful moments came earlier when they could only muster 6 points off the 3 2nd half INTs.

  30. When a quarterback chokes, he throws a pick. When a receiver chokes, he drops an easy catch. When a kicker chokes, he misses wide right. When a head coach chokes, he calls for a fg, down by eight, with 3 minutes to go in a championship game.

  31. Terrible call…

    But on the play where Davante Adams was out of the back of the end zone, another of the
    Packer WR’s was WIDE OPEN in the EZ, as his defender fell down. Rodgers didn’t see him?

  32. The game had all the makings of an epic comeback and it boggles my mind they kicked the field goal. Also putting Kevin King on an island multiple times in one game was a very strange decision and wouldn’t be surprised if GB is searching for a new D coordinator because of it. Couldn’t help but wonder if Claypool getting drafted with 1st pick wouldn’t have put them over the hump instead of forcing it to Davante so often??

  33. I’m telling you I’d seriously consider firing him because this is just one of those unique moments where everything else he’s done there goes out the window and the whole team might turn on him overnight, and then you’ll have a situation on your hands that’s only going to get worse over time. Like how can they trust this guy in a big moment ever again to make the right move? It was mind boggling. He played it like they had fumbled the snap back to the 35 on one of the downs or something. Just made no sense on any level.

  34. No matter what is said here, if by some stroke of luck the Patriots could trade for Rodgers, we’d roll out 10 red carpets to make it happen. We can’t watch what happened this year at QB ever again. It wasn’t anywhere near what we’re used to.

  35. GB traded up in the first round to pick up a QB. Now with the NFC championship on the line, they took the ball out of Rodgers hands. They simply dont have faith in Rodgers. He deserves better than what GB has given him over the years.

  36. bostonblows says:
    January 25, 2021 at 11:18 am
    Too much GOAT talk in an article that fails to mention Patrick Mahomes’s name even once.

    Mahome’s is great, no doubt. However, give any quarterback the best TE in the league, Travis Kelce and the best WR in the league, Tyreek Hill, and you’re destined to win multiple games. This doesn’t even mention their stud defense with four pro-bowlers.

  37. I’m just so tired of these QBs getting so much credit and blame. It was not Aaron’s fault for the fumble and Tampa’s quick score. Then he throws the ball away thinking he gets another down and the coach decides to kick a FG. On the flip side, Brady throws 3 picks, should have been 5, but walks away as some kind of hero. I’m just saying 104 others players and coaches have a significant impact on the game as well as the QB.

  38. They needed to score a touchdown, and were 8 yards from the end zone. Instead they kicked a field goal, meaning they … still needed a touchdown, but didn’t have the ball anymore. They’d never touch it again.
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    It’s so easy to judge in hindsight but again, had King not committed that penalty (or had the refs decided the ball was uncatchable) Rodgers would have gotten the ball back with time and timeouts. Then instead of needing a TD and 2 pt conversion (which any Packer fan knows is not something we Excel at) just to take it to ot (which every packer fan knows doesn’t go well for us) 6 points wins it. I understand both rationals.

  39. As it stands they kicked the field and had to stop the Bucs AND COULDN’T.

    Further, if they had gone for it on 4th down, scored and then converted the two point they still would have given Brady 2 minutes to drive down to score a field goal. The Bucs were almost in field goal range without even trying to be when they were trying to run out the clock.

    You can second guess the decision to kick the field goal and even Rodgers’ decision not to run it when he had a clear path to score a play earlier. Fact is, the defense let them down in the very moments they needed them the most.

  40. I didn’t think it was a bad decision given how the Bucs offense played in the second half played, and how often we have seen Rogers drive for a winning touchdown. I’m glad the Bus won, but I am not going to pile on GB for that decision.

  41. Had Rodgers seen a wide open Lazard over the middle instead of trying to force it to Adams, the Packers wouldve ended up with 4 more points on that 2nd quarter drive. Then LaFleur wouldve kicked the PAT instead of going for 2 on the Adams 3rd quarter TD. Theres 5 points left on the field that the almighty Rodgers is responsible for. If those 5 points were scored then the late Packer FG wouldve tied the game and this discussion wouldnt even exist. I blame Rodgers.

  42. GREAT POINT BY PFT:
    “Failure on fourth and goal from the eight would have given the Buccaneers the ball on the eight …”
    Bucs would have been backed up to their own 8 — or possibly worse if GB got stopped short of the goal line.
    THAT is why GB should have gone for it.

  43. realfootballfan says:
    I’m telling you I’d seriously consider firing him because this is just one of those unique moments where everything else he’s done there goes out the window and the whole team might turn on him overnight, and then you’ll have a situation on your hands that’s only going to get worse over time. Like how can they trust this guy in a big moment ever again to make the right move? It was mind boggling. He played it like they had fumbled the snap back to the 35 on one of the downs or something. Just made no sense on any level.
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    Superbowl winning Doug Pederson was fired pulling Hurts in a meaninglessgame in a meaningless game. LaFleur pulled Rodgers in the most important play of the NFC Championship!

  44. First down? Incomplete pass. Second down? Incomplete pass. Third down? Incomplete pass.

    Yet, Packers fans think a fourth down attempt… and a two point conversion were certain to be successful. Packers would have likely failed anyway.

  45. Aaron Rodgers isnt event in the discussion of top 20 or even to 25 QB’s. He is far from a GOAT at anything NFL related.

  46. Being a vikings fan, I have watched rogers beat us converting on 4th down over and over. 4th and inches and once 4th and 35. I wouldn’t have batted an eye at giving him the ball one more time. Like everyone else in America, I was shocked when they went for 3 with 4 minutes left. Since the Vikings were out of the playoffs, I was rooting for the Packers to represent the north. They would have if Rogers had lined up under center on 4th down. I really believe that. I have watched him do it too many times to us.

  47. You cannot have two GOATS. GOAT stands for Greatest of All Time. Greatest is a superlative that means nothing else is as great. So it is impossible to have more than one for that particular position. Brady is the GOAT, that’s not debatable anymore. Is Rodgers one of the best of all time? Absolutely… but you cannot have multiple who are “the greatest”. Now its possible that sometime down the road a player may come along that’s better than Brady (cough.. Mahomes… cough), and then will supplant him as THE GOAT.

  48. And when they didn’t make it, LaFleur would have been called out for that. As far as GOAT talk, AR is not even the best #12 let alone best QB. He’s not even the second best #12, that’s Terry Bradshaw. All you GB fans claim SB wins is what sets the standard, and Brady and Bradshaw both have more than AR. In fact, in Brady’s first season in the NFC, he already has as many SB appearances than AR. Dispute settled long ago, but it’s set in stone now.

  49. Too much GOAT talk in an article that fails to mention Patrick Mahomes’s name even once.
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    Well, once he’s played for 19 seasons and gone to TEN Super Bowl games he can be mentioned!

  50. Even in today’s high scoring league, defense still wins championships. The Bucs and Chiefs defenses have been getting it done in a big way throughout the playoffs. Neither the Packers nor Bills could get a stop when they absolutely needed one.

  51. Easy to say but it was no brainer to go for it without taking the time out. At the very least should of been a time out to talk over the play.
    You’re talking about the right to go to the Super Bowl. With 3 min. 40 seconds left Rodgers should of had the ball in his hands and at least a chance to make the play.
    The coach really didn’t think this one through.

  52. Remember when people compared Brady to Peyton Manning back in the day and, more recently, Joe Montana as the Greatest Quarterback of All-Time. It seems laughable now.

    He’s clearly the Greatest NFL player of all-time and debatably the greatest professional team sports player of all-time. His talent and leadership skills are unparalleled.

  53. With 9 minutes left, I kick the FG; with just over 2 minutes left, I go for it, mostly because my defense hasn’t shown any indication they can stop TB’s offense…it’s not rocket science; so this is an indication the coach has zero self awareness and/or has ‘yes men’ around him. This coach, like many of the young ‘genius’ coaches in the league, has the benefit of studying coaching greats’ game management over many years, yet think they’re infallible and above doing that….having said all of that, the game was lost on the deep pass before halftime lol

  54. It’s a great debate topic. I’m personally fine with the decision. Rodgers had three plays before that and did nothing. Scrambling on 3rd down would have come up short and drained more clock. This is certainly one of the important plays but so to were Adams’ dropped td in first half, Brown dropped 2 point conversion, Kevin King, dropped int at end of first half before Brady threw the td and 6 points off three Brady picks, not to mention the Aaron Jones fumble. Point is lots of plays could have changed things and the Packers didn’t make them. I’m still amazed at people who say how great Brady was in this game. He threw picks on 3 straight possessions and they were awful throws.

  55. Maybe if they used their 1st round pick on a player who could have actually contributed they would be in the Super Bowl.

  56. There is only (1) GOAT….and that’s Mr. Brady.

    Rodgers is the baby lamb. Congrats on the regular season MVPs!

  57. My jaw dropped when I saw the field goal unit come on the field. Is there some nex gen stats reason he made that call? Is there some probability of success metric that made him do it??

  58. the call sucked Don’t get me wrong but when you have a clear path with your feet the play before you get no excuse here.

    Any of the greats would have taken that. He was given his Elway play and passed

  59. I don’t usually second guess but that was just about the dumbest thing in the world. There was no guarantee they’d get the ball back–especially given how terrible that defense was on third down. Not going for the tie right there is just plain stupid. He’s gutless. That’s the kind of stupid decision you’d expect from a loser coach.

  60. bostonblows says:
    January 25, 2021 at 11:18 am
    Too much GOAT talk in an article that fails to mention Patrick Mahomes’s name even once.

    ———————-

    That’s because Mahomes is further from the discussion than Rodgers.

  61. I see that the media continues to give AR12 a free pass for not running on 3rd down. Unbelievable. What would John Elway do?

    A decision to go for it on 4th & Goal from the 2 or 3 would be a lot easier decision for the Coach. I am NOT giving MF a pass on the decision, not going for it was clearly a mistake by a young coach.

    But come on! I knew sensitive, media-darling AR12 would get a free pass for not running. He throws an incredible ball, across his body, where only the WR can catch it in double-coverage, but it was a borderline impossible catch & one where you might the ball on the goal-line anyway.

    Just another L that AR12 passes off on the coaching staff. Classic deflect blame of a huge loss to someone else. It’s the Green Bay version of McCarthyism we have seen before.

  62. Dumb decision by LaFleur. You take the shot on 4th and 9 with Rodgers. Even if you don’t get it TB is backed up inside their own 10.

    Ok so he decides to kick the FG. But then he kicks the ball deep? Where’s the onsides kick try? None if it made any sense at all.

  63. Does Aaron Rodgers have ANY accountability? All those passive aggressive responses he gave at the mic can’t hide the fact that he had a chance to put his team in a better position to win and he didn’t do. His indecisiveness is plain as day on that 3rd down play.

  64. i would have gone for the TD myself but people saying you still needed a touchdown and there was no reason to kick the field goal when you still needed to stop the Buc to get the ball back are wrong. He was going for the win right there and not a tie. Either way they had to get the ball back from the Bucs. If they would have gotten it back and stopped the Bucs in 4 downs then scored a TD it would be a win and not a tie. does not seem like it but he was being aggressive and believing in his team.

  65. The Pack had the best red zone offense in the NFL this season. Rodgers is a sure-thing HOFer. Brady is the GOAT, but Rodgers is still elite. Rodgers actually outplayed Brady in that game. Down by 8 with almost 2 minutes, you go for it and have the Bucs pinned deep in their territory to stop them and score a TD that is needed either way. Based on these facts, this isn’t second guessing, it’s first guessing. La Fleur blew it, and its not a shame for Pack fans to admit that fact.

  66. GB had two ways to win the game. Score a TD on 4th down AND score a 2 point conversion AND win in overtime. The other way is kick a FG and score a TD in less than 3 min with 4 time outs. Both are difficult situations. The GB mistake that lost the game was going for 2 point conversion after their last TD. If GB kicked the extra point, they would of been down 7 points which makes going for it on 4th down much easier.

  67. Aaron Rodgers isnt event in the discussion of top 20 or even to 25 QB’s
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    Name 20 QBs better than Rodgers

    I’ll wait..

  68. Mike, we’ve been through this before. As much as I dislike him, there’s only one GOAT. He’s won 6 times. Aaron Rodgers is very good, and has 1 SB. Just like Namath, Morral, Brad Johnson, all the Washington guys etc. Montana and Bradshaw have 4, Aikman has 3 and the Mannings each have 2. I hope I don’t have to explain this again. BTW, Rodgers shoulda run the TD in. He would have taken a lick, but he woulda made it.

  69. Only one GOAT playing in that game. Rodgers is fantastic and I love watching him throw the football but only one GOAT.

  70. Probably the one time Aaron would have a valid reason to publicly throw his coach under the bus. And yet this is the time he keeps it calm and all.

    It was a myriad of issues. GB defense absolutely bailed thtis team out in the second half and Lafleur still kept the playcalling very vanilla and non aggressive, despite having the MVP as his QB.

  71. This has to feel like the 2020 drafting of Jordon Love all over again for Rogers. He came to terms with that by having an MVP type year. Still must seem to him that wasn’t good enough for Lefleur to stand up and say yes he’s my guy win or lose. Not only that its just simply a dumb move with any QB out there in that situation.

  72. It was a bad decision. You win or lose with your best players either making or not making a key play when needed. Obviously, Rodgers is GB’s best player and you have to give him the shot to make the play. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t, but your best chance to win a championship is by putting/keeping the ball in your championship player’s hands. End of story.

  73. aarons444 says:

    12 point lead with 3:58 to go in Seattle.. had to get a FG just to get to OT.. never got the ball back

    31-0 deficit against Atlanta to open the 3rd Q
    27-0 deficit against the 9ers last year

    Name a QB that could win games with defenses that collapse like that?
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    You asked, and the answer is (and you won’t like it), Tom Brady.

    In Super Bowl LI, the largest comeback in Super Bowl history, Tom Brady overcame a 28–3 deficit to lead the Patriots to the SB win.

    This was the SB, not just a playin game for the Super Bowl.

  74. The problem is not just the call, it’s the aftermath of that call. If you attempted the 4th down and failed, you can live with that because you exhausted your chances and tried your best. If you lose, you accept your defeat and move on. But kicking a field goal and NOT getting the ball back is way more crushing.

  75. You asked, and the answer is (and you won’t like it), Tom Brady.
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    Where was he in Baltimore in the 2009 WC? (24-0)
    Or the 2005 Divisional? (23-6)

    No QB can routinely overcome those odds. Period. Least of all in the Playoffs, against the best teams in this League.

    Half of Rodgers Playoff losses, he has faced insurmountable deficits.

    (This was not one of them. 28-23 is a winnable game)

  76. I thought the FG was a reasonable call. Packers needed to score twice to win the game. Even with a TD and two pointer they had to give Brady two minutes for a FG. Or go to OT where a coin flip could give Brady the ball and as Atlanta and KC know in the playoffs Brady does not give the ball back in OT.

    So kick the FG to get down five. Hold Tampa to a three and out (which they did if not for a brutal PI call) and they get the ball back with lots of time and going for a winning TD.

    Don’t know what the percentages say but not as bad a call as it looked IMO.

  77. Seems like a lot of GOATs walking around. Kind of diminishes the whole meaning of the acronym GOAT.

  78. Bostonblows says:

    ‘Too much GOAT talk in an article that fails to mention Patrick Mahomes’s name even once.’

    He isn’t the conversation yet – he’s only played 3 years. I think 10 years of consistency is the minimum requirement to be considered.

    If a QB playing in his first NFL game doubles every all time single game stat, 14 td passes for 1100 yards and puts 100 plus points on the scoreboard -does that make him the GOAT? No, because it’s not just what you accomplish, but the ability to perform consistently over time.

  79. I did not mind they went for the field goal. They needed to stop the Bucs on defense. The defender should not have grabbed like he did on the pass interference call.

  80. Had to take the 3 points. Tampa’s red zone defense was great and they already stopped a 2 point conversion… 3 put us in a position where all it would take is a conventional td which were hard to come by against their defense..

  81. I think if they had it to do over again the play call would have been different but…we are all sitting in the cheap seats, playing Monday afternoon QB. We can second guess this one forever but if it had worked, Lafleur would be a genius. If Rogers had tried and failed Lafleur and Rogers would be that other type of goat.

  82. Too bad there aren’t enough teams for all of these Monday morning quarterbacks to play on.

  83. It’s too bad there aren’t enough teams for all of these Monday morning quarterbacks to play for.

  84. To the people defending the call because of the three incomplete passes that preceded it:

    That’s completely irrelevant. They were 8 points behind and staring at the overwhelmingly likely prospect that if they didn’t overcome that deficit right in that moment, Brady would run out the clock and end the game.

    It isn’t anything to do with what did or didn’t work previously. It’s about what was needed in that moment. They needed 8 points to survive. There was only one way to get it.

  85. Why didn’t Rodgers just take off and run on that 3rd down. He probably would have scored a TD, and if not he would have been down at maybe the one or two yard line. Then maybe they do go for it on 4th down.

  86. Rodgers had his chances. And his defense, which everyone is criticizing, gave him 3 turnovers….in 7 pass attempts nonetheless. Can there be a bigger momentum swing? He went 3 and out twice.

    He is an exceptional QB, top 5 ever IMO, stating otherwise means you don’t watch football, but in those critical high pressure situations, in the playoffs when called upon to rise up and carry his team back he just doesn’t get it done.

    Again, he is an exceptional QB and if BB wanted to trade the farm for Rodgers today to be the QB of the Pats I’d say say yes in a heart beat.

  87. Lafleur blinked first. And it cost his team. Also, Rodgers should have ran it on 3rd. Can’t figure out why he didn’t.

  88. Rodgers knew what he was doing by not calling a TO. Don’t cross Aaron. He will always have the last laugh

  89. Wrong decision but would have lost either way. 4th and goal from beyond the 5, 2 point conversion, and hold the Bucs offense at the end of the game with a determined Brady.

  90. Hindsight is 20/20, but in this case most people knew (except the coach) knew it was the wrong decision before you saw the results.

  91. I thought it was a gutless call to go for the FG, but if he had gone for it on 4th down and failed the same guys would be in here playing Monday morning QB and claiming it was a bad decision.

  92. Every year its the same story. When are people going to start talking about and acknowledging that Aaron Rodgers led Packer teams are soft?!?! They are always out-toughed in the playoffs and in their own building.

  93. Yeah, what a dumb coach who didn’t use the guy who failed on 3 downs a fourth time. It’s almost as if the coach thought that guy was 1-3 in championship games or something.

  94. You have to stop Brady and then score a touchdown if you kick FG, Miss a FG try, or fail to get the TD on 4th down. Makes no sense to kick FG & not take a shot. It’s actually a free play at that point. There is nothing that can be said to support that decision. I read all the comments above and shocked that some are actually trying to do just that.

  95. Even if they went for and scored a TD, the 2 point try isn’t automatic. They had already failed a 2 point try earlier in the game!

  96. What a lot of people missed on that series was Rodgers on second down had a big space to run- I think he gets to at least the 2 yard line on 2nd down. And an even bigger space to run on 3rd where he gets at least to the 1 or 2 or dives for the td. Instead some terrible passes into strong coverage. Why didn’t they call at Least one run or screen on that series ?

  97. Rodgers should have ran the ball on both second and third down. Rodgers throws up all these numbers during the season, but come playoff the numbers aren’t there, especially at home.

  98. Nice novel. An easy TD was also dropped by a GB reciever. No NFL game comes down to one play.

  99. Seems like a lot of GOATs walking around. Kind of diminishes the whole meaning of the acronym GOAT.

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    There’s one.

    People need to stop. It’s been decided pretty profoundly.

  100. I don’t know if it was the play calling or Rodgers changing plays at the line, but both drives that ended in FGs ended disappointingly. In Q2, they ran well down the field to get a 1st & goal from the 5, then 3 incompletes to Adams. At the end, 3 incompletes to Adams again. Rodgers seemed strangely fixated, unable to see others or to see that he could run. Going for the FG at the end was terrible. As was giving up the TD before the half. And the 2 3-and-outs after picking Brady killed as well. Painful game for Packers fans, I’m sure.

  101. How can they both be GOATs? Why call somebody “the greatest of all time” when you have multiples?

  102. Belichick would have won if he coached the Packers yesterday.
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    Actually, Belichick wouldn’t have been in the playoffs if he coached the Packers. Haven’t you heard? BB is a below .500 coach without Brady

  103. Let’s forget for a second that scoring a field goal in that situation still meant they had to stop Brady and then score a TD. Last week, we saw Big Red give his Backup QB a chance on 4th down. Yesterday, Lafleur told his Hall of Fame QB to sit down on 4th down. I don’t see Rodger playing a down for the Packers again.

  104. Aaron Rodgers played well enough to win yesterday, throwing for 346 yards, 3 TD’s, and 1 INT.

    The defense gave up a 39-yard TD pass with one second left in the first half, with supposedly one of the better defensive backfields in the league. That’s bad.

    Even worse was the Jones fumble and return, giving the ball to Tampa on the GB 8 at the beginning of the second half. And then Brady throws a TD pass on the next play. That’s 14 points for TB in 67 seconds of game time, and it opened an 18 point lead.

    But those who aren’t objective and have a bias for or against someone aren’t going to see things normally. It’s almost like if a president said there was election fraud and a mass of people chose to believe him even if there wasn’t any evidence.

  105. Lafleur wouldn’t have been criticized if they went for it and didn’t make it regardless of the outcome.

    If you want to win a championship you have to take a few risks especially against a QB like Tom Brady.

    Last week, Andy Reid went for it on 4th down in their own territory with a backup QB. The safe thing to do would have been to punt.

  106. Brady nearly blew it. His picks were awful. Thankfully, his D has come to play this postseason and they only allow those 3 picks to turn in to 6 points. Was it a mistake to not go for the TD? I think so. The bigger mistake is taking 3 minutes off the clock. They should have hurried up the whole way if the coach knew he was going to go FG if the drive stalled. Lafleur blinked and lost.

  107. Honestly, I don’t have a big problem with LaFleur’s decision. As far as stopping Brady goes, considering the game up to that point, the Packers probably had a better chance with him trying to get 10 yards and drain their timeouts than they would have if he was trying to burn them with deep passes (again…again…AGAIN) in a 2-minute drill for the winning FG.

    (For what it’s worth, the first two plays were handoffs to Fournette, so outside of the final play they actually took the ball out of Brady’s hands.)

    And as long as that was the equation, might as well make the next TD a game-winner, rather than just going for overtime (where the Packers in the playoffs have a…history, to put it mildly).

  108. You hire a young, inexperienced coach and then act surprised when he shows it in a big game?

  109. crawfish2011 says:
    January 25, 2021 at 8:46 pm
    Lafleur wouldn’t have been criticized if they went for it and didn’t make it regardless of the outcome.
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    Yes he would have. Anyone remember many years ago when Belichick went for it on 4th down in his half rather than punt it to Peyton Manning and the Indy offense? The receiver bobbled the catch and just missed picking up the needed yardage. Belichick was roundly criticized by all the pundits despite the fact that Manning was running roughshod over the New England defense in the second half. The fact is, anytime a head coach makes any decision that can be second-guessed, if it works he is called a genius and if it doesn’t, he is called an idiot. This is no different.

  110. bob3339 says:
    January 25, 2021 at 11:51 am
    bostonblows says:
    January 25, 2021 at 11:18 am
    Too much GOAT talk in an article that fails to mention Patrick Mahomes’s name even once.

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    That’s because Mahomes is further from the discussion than Rodgers.
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    False – Mahomes already has a better Conference Championship record than Rodgers with Super Bowl wins TBD in two weeks.

    Rodgers has the same number of SB wins as current Bears backup QB Nick Foles. Clearly nothing to brag about as a Bears fan but it does provide perspective on the laughable “GOAT” conversation. As a bonus, we don’t have to listen to Aikmen drooling all over Rodgers until at least next season.

  111. aceben3 says:
    January 25, 2021 at 11:12 am
    A 4th down calculator gave them 9% chance to win by kicking the FG and 10% by going for it. *Arguably the fateful moments came earlier when they could only muster 6 points off the 3 2nd half INTs.*
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    Yep!

  112. Name a QB that could win games with defenses that collapse like that?
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    Thomas Edward Brady

  113. Fire the DC , HC, Kevin King & St Brown!! They all costed us a chance at another Super Bowl !!! Awesome offense with best QB and the worse defense!

  114. ibillwt says:
    January 26, 2021 at 10:10 am
    Name a QB that could win games with defenses that collapse like that?
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    Thomas Edward Brady

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    Yeah he really carried his team with his 3 INT performance. They were lucky to have him.

  115. Aaron Rodgers is not the GOAT. He’s not even the best Packer to play the game in the past 15 years.

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