Report: Rams, Lions explore possible Matthew Stafford trade

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Former Rams director of college scouting Brad Holmes has said farewell, but not good bye.

Holmes, now the General Manager of the Lions, reportedly is talking to his old boss, Rams G.M. Les Snead, regarding possible trade scenarios involving Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford. That’s the report from Jeremy Fowler of ESPN.com.

But it’s one thing to talk about it, and it’s quite another to do it. It will not be easy to do it.

Omitted from the article, for example, is the fact that the Rams don’t own a 2021 first-round draft pick, thanks to the trade that brought cornerback Jalen Ramsey from Jacksonville in 2019. The article also doesn’t delve into the nuts and bolts of Rams quarterback Jared Goff’s contract, which carries more than $43 million in fully-guaranteed payments in 2021 and 2022.

It will be very difficult to find a trade partner for Goff, who has a cap number of $34.625 million in 2021. With the salary cap expected to be in the range of $180 million — and with Stafford making $20 million in 2021 (he could want more than that as part of a trade) — the Rams would have a hard time putting a team around a pair of quarterbacks who consume more than $50 million in cap space.

Even if Goff is traded, the Rams would absorb $22.2 million in cap charges.

With the Rams not having a first-round pick and Goff’s contract creating a cap problem for the Rams, the idea of a trade for Stafford seems far-fetched. The better explanation could be that Snead is simply doing Holmes a favor by trying to goose the market for Stafford. Snead and the Rams would benefit by reinforcing yet again the message that Goff’s job is far from safe, possibly as a last-ditch effort to get him pointed in the right direction.

51 responses to “Report: Rams, Lions explore possible Matthew Stafford trade

  1. Should be a fascinating game of musical chairs in the QB market this offseason. A lot of established veterans could be on the move with possibly 5 more rookies in the top half of the draft. Nobody knows with Wentz or Garoppolo. Even guys like Bridgewater and Winston might find new starting gigs.

  2. It was foolish for the Rams to give up two first round picks for Ramsey when they knew Goff wasn’t working out…no team should ever give up multiple first round picks for a player

  3. nnagi, Ramsey turned multiple star receivers into absolute non-factors this season. He was worth every pick.

  4. silverwolf1898 says:
    January 29, 2021 at 7:31 pm
    nnagi, Ramsey turned multiple star receivers into absolute non-factors this season. He was worth every pick.

    And they are still watching the Super Bowl at home and no draft ammo to upgrade the qb position

  5. Sounds like Stafford and his agent are floating rumors out there. So far we’ve heard he will play in LA (either team) and now SF. Stafford owns a house in CA so he probably wants to play there. Can’t see a trade w the Rams unless it involves their 1st next year and a bunch of players/picks this year too.

  6. cornerbacks like Ramsey aren’t very common in the NFL, he’s worth what they paid for him. what is not worth it is jared goff everyone knew he was a kirk cousins 2.0, washington showed the way but LA got desperate they had to put the label and they did not. now they are paying the consequences.

  7. cornerbacks like Ramsey aren’t very common in the NFL, he’s worth what they paid for him. what is not worth it is jared goff everyone knew he was a kirk cousins 2.0, washington showed the way but LA got desperate they had to put the tag and they did not. now they are paying the consequences.

  8. Hard to see this trade getting done. The Rams can’t add Stafford to the roster with Goff on it. The Lions don’t want Goff; they’re better off with Stafford than him. And the rest of league has seen Goff play. The Rams need to quit playing Madden and looking for quick fixes and just wait for 2025 to get here when Goff is off the books.

  9. That’s nice of Snead to try and help drive the market for his protege, but this is beyond believable.

  10. Other than Donald, Ramsey and Kupp the Rams have no players to offer in a trade. The others are victims of talent and/or age. There best bet is to keep Goff (starter or backup), keep their draft choices and start building a team and stop the quick fixes. There will be other QBs available next year if Goff does not cut it this year.

  11. Jared Goff, super bowl QB, has won playoff games, then we have Matthew Stafford who’s done absolutely nothing in his career ? Yeah no thanks.

  12. I don’t think it would be that easy to replace Goff. I mean, you can certainly replace him, but I’m talking about an upgrade. I don’t think Stafford is an upgrade. If I wanted to move on from Goff, I’d maybe try to get my hands on Gardner Minshew. He had some early success on a horrendous Jacksonville team, with perhaps some of the very worst offensive coaching in recent NFL history. It was Minshew’s rookie season, and I doubt that he even got in much work with the first team in pre-season. He was thrust into the lineup because of an injury, and played very well. McVay could bring the good out in him, and there is a lot of good.

  13. With what money? Spotrac has them at -27.6 mil and OTC has them at -31.1. Even if they wanted Stafford they’d have to do some kicking the can down the road kinda deal with some of their contracts, and even then they’d probably face a situation like the Saints and Eagles are currently in deep in the red.

  14. Honesty, Stafford would tear it up in LA, and make the Rams totally forget about Goff. Stafford deserves better than detroit. He’s put up with sub par ownership for too long.

  15. I think the Saints should make a run at him. Not sure what they have to offer, but I’m sure somebody could tell me.

  16. Way too many unknowns with this potential deal…. Goff being #1 on the list

    Stafford goes to the Niners for their #12 pick this year and a 4th rounder in 2022.

    Jimmy gets cut and can test free agency. Niners only out $2.8m dead cap plus save $8 m in qb salary

    Stafford finally has a real chance to go deep in the playoffs and SF gets a qb who can get them there

  17. How is that possible. If the data is right, the Rams would take a $35 million cap hit if they cut or trade Goff. And they certainly can’t afford to keep Goff and pay Stafford.

  18. joshhatesthesteelers says:
    January 29, 2021 at 8:54 pm

    Jared Goff, super bowl QB, has won playoff games, then we have Matthew Stafford who’s done absolutely nothing in his career ? Yeah no thanks.

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    If you value Goff above Stafford, the Rams wish you were a GM and they’d be on the phone with you right now.

  19. I’m not claiming to be brilliant in this regard, but the Rams obviously need to offload Goff somehow, someway. But I know enough that when you know you have a hopeless QB contract you’re under, trading away valuable draft capital for the likes of Jalen Ramsey, you’ll wind up where you are after the Marcus Peters pick up: rapidly aging roster and an extremely overpaid QB. Good luck, Rams fans.

  20. Rams have already mortgage the farm with not so smart trades, lordy they need to just sit back and take what they can get in the draft.

  21. Feel bad for Aaron Donald being stuck with a scrub team that is falling apart. Pity to see a HOF caliber player’s talents wasted.

  22. Only reason to generate interest is because there IS NO interest as far as giving up 1st round pick for a player similar to Tony Romo.

  23. If I were the Lions I would consider a trade inolving Donald, Ramsey, Kupp, and the Rams 2022 1st rounder for Stafford. I might even be willing to each Goffs comtract. That 2022 pick could be #1 overall.

  24. Stafford would seem to be a better fit for Indy. Goff is signed for 4 years until he’s 30. Dumb for the Rams to move him to get older.

  25. I’m guessing it’s not a traditional trade for staffford. Possibly three teams. Possibly lions taking Goff?

  26. Many comments talking about how giving up the 20th and 25th overall picks for Jalen Ramsey somehow prevented the Rams from drafting a franchise QB to replace Goff.

    Jordan Love and Jalen Hurts were the next two QBs off the board after pick 20 last year, and any QB worth anything this year will be long gone by pick 25.

    Ramsey is an exceptional player that is worth the two late round picks given up for him and worth every penny of his upcoming contract.

    Completely unrelated to the Ramsey trade, the Rams made a terrible decision by paying Goff $30+ million a year. Because of that decision and its ramifications on their cap situation, the Rams will likely have to weather the storm until they can either afford to release Goff or he miraculously turns his career around.

  27. Yep morons giving away 2 FIRST ROUNDERS have to win the bowl. Otherwise, worthless plus the cap hit of the Ramsey deal. He is good but not that good.

  28. nnagi says:
    January 29, 2021 at 7:25 pm
    “It was foolish for the Rams to give up two first round picks for Ramsey when they knew Goff wasn’t working out…no team should ever give up multiple first round picks for a player”

    In today’s pass-happy NFL, a young shutdown corner is worth more than 2 late first rounders (i.e., 2 pieces of paper) every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

  29. If Stafford ends up in LA, Goff will be traded to Denver. Denver’s new GM isn’t sold on Lock judging by his recent comments and will want to bring his own guy in. Goff is the type of QB Broncos OC Pat Shurmur really likes: smart, old school pocket passer. Goff’s contract has an out after 2022, so if things don’t work out, Denver can walk away.

  30. The problem with a $15-20m corner like Ramsey is that your best case scenario is he shuts down a $15-20m receiver and you break even. But some teams have two $10m receivers and a $10m te or rb and the qb can just throw to the other guys. A great qb can make all the receivers better. A great defensive end can make the opposing qb worse and less able to get the ball to any receiver. A great corrner can shut down one receiver. So while a shutdown corner is nice, the rams investing two first round picks was a win now move and they didnt win now and now they had to break out the cash too, and $20m and two first round picks for a guy who can only shut down 20% of a qbs potential targets will never be worth it. And now they dont have the cash or picks to improve and they are stuck with a lousy qb.

  31. Hard to envision Stafford landing anywhere other than Indy, SF or Washington. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t one of those 3 teams, but it’s always fun when a dark horse emerges. I’ve always thought Stafford was a baller, so I hope he goes somewhere where he can make a playoff run.

  32. joshhatesthesteelers says:
    January 29, 2021 at 8:54 pm

    Jared Goff, super bowl QB, has won playoff games, then we have Matthew Stafford who’s done absolutely nothing in his career ? Yeah no thanks.
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    Goff won games, or their defense did? Stafford produces more with less. With your thinking though, I hope your team signs Mitch Trubisky to a huge contract. He’s been to the playoffs twice in four years.

  33. Maybe Everyone should quit calling Jerry Jones an idiot for not signing Dak to a $40M per year contract last year. No QB is worth that much of the team’s cap. I remember this webpage calling out the Cowboys for not being as smart as the Rams and the Eagles. The last chapter has not been written yet!

  34. rufustfireflyjr says:
    January 30, 2021 at 12:13 am
    nnagi says:
    January 29, 2021 at 7:25 pm
    “It was foolish for the Rams to give up two first round picks for Ramsey when they knew Goff wasn’t working out…no team should ever give up multiple first round picks for a player”

    In today’s pass-happy NFL, a young shutdown corner is worth more than 2 late first rounders (i.e., 2 pieces of paper) every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

    That’s simply not true, you are misguided. It’s not a knock on Ramsey, he’s an excellent player – but, he’s also not playing in the Super Bowl and he didn’t last year either. You build your team through the draft and this also helps to manage your salary cap in the unforeseen event that you mishandle a player or two contracts, like the Rams have with Goff and Gurley. The Chiefs and Buccaneers are in the Super Bowl because they’ve gotten excellent play with mostly homegrown talent ( Brady being the exception with the Buccaneers). Real football is not fantasy football, there are repercussions from mismanaging your draft resources and salary cap.

  35. “no player is with 2 first round picks”…
    .
    i thought the same when the chiefs traded to get mahomes…never felt soo good to be soo wrong…
    .

  36. I keep reading where Stafford suffered under bad management in Detroit but what makes anyone think that it is going to be different with LA. REMEMBER, when Donald couldn’t go against Green Bay they basically stuffed the ball down their throat. The Rams have some very good players (Donald, Ramsey, Kupp and Woods) but the rest are very short on talent. Do not think that he will be going to a juggernut in LA built by those in charge!

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