Report: Matthew Stafford was willing to go anywhere but New England

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Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson presumably has a short list of teams to which he’d like to be traded. As it turns out, eventually-to-be former Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford had a short list of teams to which he wouldn’t like to be traded. A very short list.

Tom Curran of NBC Sports Boston reports that Stafford was willing to go anywhere but New England.

No specific reason was provided. Obviously, the Patriots don’t have an abundance of weapons. Also, the shadow of #Tommy is long and, if the Bucs win the Super Bowl in seven days, it will be even longer.

Then there’s the Matt Patricia factor. Beyond the fact that the former Lions coach has returned to the New England coaching staff, Stafford surely suspects that he’d get more of what he got from Patricia during Patricia’s time with the team.

Although the full story has yet to be told, it should surprise no one that Stafford and Patricia have different styles. After the Lions lost to the Texans on Thanksgiving and Patricia’s job security became a major talking point, Stafford had a chance to speak out in favor of his coach. Instead, Stafford said this: “It’s not my decision. That’s for somebody else. If you want to ask me about the game, you ask me about the game.”

When it comes to picking a new team, it partially was Stafford’s decision. And his decision was to accept a trade anywhere but New England.

131 responses to “Report: Matthew Stafford was willing to go anywhere but New England

  1. Report: Matthew Stafford was willing to go anywhere but where a certain D.C. will be.

  2. This is a good deal for the Rams IF they get to the Super Bowl! Stafford did not win a lot in Detroit but he did have some bad teams around him. We really don’t know what part he played in the bad teams. Yes, the Rams freed up some cap space but as we saw against GB, once Donald went down the defense was toast! It will be interesting how Stafford functions with all the rollouts and bootlegs the Rams use. Good luck to him.

  3. I wouldn’t go there either. I’ve been to Gillette as an opposing fan. Worst fans in the league. Even worse than Philadelphia if you could believe that!

  4. He got a taste of the “Patriot way” from Patricia and probably hated it. Doesn’t work if you don’t win. I’m sure he didn’t want to get that treatment again from BB after seeing how the system wasn’t too successful without TB12. Plus Josh McDaniels is a total tool. Nobody wants to be around that guy…

  5. Not a fan of Patricia either, however, Stafford has done NOTHING & the Rams just got fleeced AGAIN…..
    Glad he’s no longer in the trade talks for New England!!!

  6. Can’t blame him NE isn’t the best offense (Cam was bad but the other than the line and RB the WR & TE are not good), and I am sure he despises Patricia. Still, I think the haul for him was insane. Stafford just seems like another Cousins. Good numbers on a terrible team then you put him on an good team he’s just average. McVay did great with Goff so I think Stafford will do well there, but I wouldn’t expect anything more than what they have been doing recently which is a good record and then losing in the postseason. The cost was the Rams paid was also insane but Goff’s contract likely was a factor also.

  7. My how things have changed. Next thing you know Watson will be saying he wants to go to the JETS! Oh wait a minute!

  8. i believe he did not want to go to NE. However i don’t believe the anywhere part. I suspect it was put to him that this list of teams has expressed interest and any one of them you don’t want to go.

  9. The Patricia angle Makes total sense, even coming from a NE fan. Can’t blame him that he wouldn’t want to go somewhere new and fresh instead of with the same head coach he just wasted 4 additional years with.

  10. Patricia was objectively bad at coaching in Detroit and by all accounts a horrific person as well. If I was leaving a job and had my choice I would not want to go to a company that had just taken on my former supervisor who spent three years screwing me over and doing his best to destroy my career out of arrogance and incompetence. I don’t care if it was one of the top companies in the world. Especially when there are other companies that could offer me the same opportunities in a better atmosphere. Particularly when that company has a history of not supporting my position.

  11. Wow, since Brady left town the Patriots sure have fallen off the face of the map. Now guys don’t even want to go there.

  12. Probably because of Matt Patricia. Although, Stafford to the Rams won’t turn out well for him. Being in the middle of the Seahawks, Rams, and 49ers is a no win situation for him. Unfortunately, Cam Newton might be coming back to the Patriots at this rate.

  13. Weather was likely an additional factor. After playing in a dome at home, then having to play a game a year in Chicago and Green Bay, he probably didn’t like the thought of playing 8 games a year in NE, plus a game in Buffalo and NY every year.

  14. Let’s be honest. Stanford wants to win badly.

    If Brady was still in New England, he’d be on the next plane over.

  15. This story is ridiculous. Patricia is just another employee on the Patriots defensive coaching staff. He has no input in anything having to do with the QB. That’s a ridiculous notion. Stafford would be playing for the greatest HC ever if he went to the Pats. The Pats would be a complete 360 from the Lions organization. Stafford would’ve been a big help to the Pats if the Pats could get him some top line WRs.

  16. After seeing how McDaniels did with Cam last year, and the fact that year after year, outside of maybe once or twice in 20 years, did the Pats go out of their way to REALLY try and put talent in the receiver (or even TE) position, why would you want to go there? I really REALLY don’t like Tom Brady, but it just shows that he was the magic on offense. Coordinators came and went on both offense and defense, and as long as Bill and Tom were there, the train kept moving. The defense was still above average in NE this year, even with their top guys opting out, and the offense not helping them at all. Bill still knows what he’s doing, so lets not get that confused. But Brady shouldered the burden for the offense year in and year out and make guys look better than they were. Add to that Scarnecchia retiring, and a general declination of the o-line, and it would be very hard for any QB to live up to the expectation Brady left behind.

  17. It’s not a surprise nor an insult at NE. For Stafford, it would mean a depleted roster, a hard-nosed environment (when, at his career stage, he’s probably ready to loosen up a bit) and a coach on the staff he doesn’t want to return to.

  18. New England lacks weapons and Stanford just got a huge taste of the “Patriot way”. If he didn’t like Patricia he’s not going to like BB

  19. That probably tells us more about what NFL players, particularly Lions players, think of Patricia, more than what they think of the Pats.

  20. I would’ve like to seen the so called “GOAT” stayed in NE this year to prove how GOAT he is. NE probally would’ve won a couple more games. Instead, he goes to a loaded Bucs team, and TB12 ball washers/worshippers call him the GOAT. Obviously, he’s a great qb, but I dont think him or any qb, can be the GOAT.

  21. I don’t blame him and that is exactly why Tom left, there is no weapons in NE. They have a great defense but they can only hold up so long without decent drives from the offense.

  22. I just don’t get all the love for this guy. Yes Detroit was dysfunctional. Yes a carousel existed at coach….but this guy had Megatron and did nothing with him….ALLEN just got Buffalo into the AFC championship with Diggs.

    I hold a wait and see attitude, but I don’t see it happening.

    Then you refuse to go to the best coach? Really? Despite Patricia… how can you balk at going to NE other than uou scared.

    How is that not your first priority? Even with few options available, Newton could have brought that team to the Playoffs if he could throw the ball 5 feet within a wr.

    He scared because he knows Belichick would force accountability and probably a massive pay cut.

  23. Yeah, why would a non winning QB ever want to go to a team with six championships ?

    He better win in LA or he could be gone by season three …

  24. No player wants to play in NE. Players get drafted, play out their four years, and get out.

  25. Wow, since Brady left town the Patriots sure have fallen off the face of the map.
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    Haha, only here can a team that went 7-9 with a historically awful QB get this type of reply. If they’ve fallen of the map, how do the teams that won less than 7 games feel? Half of their defense opted out of the season due to covid, they had zero weapons on offense and Newton thought he was a RB. They’ll be fine going forward.

    I’m glad Stafford didn’t want to go to NE – now the Rams can deal his mediocrity and game killing turnovers.

  26. obesewantcannoli says:
    January 31, 2021 at 1:28 pm
    Let’s be honest. Stanford wants to win badly.

    If Brady was still in New England, he’d be on the next plane over.

    If Brady was still in New England they wouldn’t need Stafford….

  27. If you could not see this immediately AFTER the news of Stafford and the Lions parting ways, you didn’t know much about the Lions. Not many players would have gone to NE after having 3 years of The Patriot Way. And with the success of Brady elsewhere and how badly NE played, it seems that there are gaps in The Patriot Way!

  28. Why would you want to work with a part of the same regime they just requested a trade from? This should be a shock to absolutely nobody.

  29. He did not want to play where any success he may have come with asterisks and dark clouds.

  30. Clearly it’s all Patricia.

    The Patriots almost made the playoffs with horrid QB play. Stafford wouldve made them a playoff team for sure. Hes a smart vet. He’d have no issues playing for Belichick.

    Just not Patricia.

  31. I’d like to think that it was more about Patrician than the team itself. In that case,I don’t blame Stafford.

  32. Is it the QB or the coach?
    That question has already been answered regardless what happens next Sunday.

  33. It was probably for the best. Stafford has the same amount of playoff wins as Stidham despite Stafford being in the league longer. Might as well ride with Stidham.

  34. Tho huge controversy at the time, quickly forgotten. The Malcolm Butler benching in the Super Bowl. That’s the smoking gun to pin point the beginning of the end of the Patriots Dynasty. The locker room truly was fractured. Tip the hat to the power of the Patriots Dynasty to still win another Super Bowl after that. But that was it.

  35. Lets face it going to the Patriot’s doesn’t spell a place where you wake up everyday singing in the shower can’t wait to get to the facility. I don’t think players who go there truly understand what’s in store for them until a few days later. A place where you have to be walking on eggshells in order to not step outside the so call Patriots Way does NOT make for a good experience, UNLESS you are going to Super Bowls since anything less is a Nightmare.

  36. Lots of Goff hate. He’s been in as many SB’s as Rodgers, Brees, and Matt Ryan and only Rodgers won it. Conversely, Flacco and Foles were SB MVPs. So there’s that. I’d say the Rams got fleeced of draft picks (no pun intended) but they did pick up Goffs contract.

  37. patswhatsup says:
    January 31, 2021 at 1:05 pm
    I didn’t realize how victory averse Stafford is. Wow.

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    Without TB12 that whole franchise/BB is victory averse.

  38. notaloon says:
    January 31, 2021 at 1:33 pm

    As a NE fan, I’m glad he didn’t come to NE….he’s a stiff

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    Holy cats! Say what you will about Matt Stafford. The guy is a warrior, not a stiff. And with that silly comment you show us you are most certainly not “not a loon.”

  39. bman says:
    January 31, 2021 at 2:37 pm
    BB’s record speaks for itself

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    Do you mean the record when Brady isn’t his QB?

  40. Patriot fans are too busy cheering for the Bucs. They are welcome to support the Lightning and Rays too. Tampa owns Boston.

  41. I don’t think it had anything to do with BB or the offensive weapons they have in NE, I believe it had everything to do with Matt Patricia being back on the NE staff. Reports came out of Detroit that the guy was a total idiot and treated players like crap.

  42. The person I feel sorry for in this whole deal is Stafford’s wife. She wanted out of Detroit because she could no longer tolerate living under a dictatorship and the political cesspool that surrounds it, only to be dropped right in the middle of an even worse one.

  43. barnwhipple69, you’re spot-on that Lions to Pats would be a “360-degree change,” it’d just be 180 degrees from what you think.

  44. In addition to the above, when it comes time to start negotiating his next contract, Stafford knew he wouldn’t get paid FMV in NE. Nobody does.

  45. Haha I love how these pats fans want to spin it like he’s avoiding Patricia. Stafford would not be under Patricia whatsoever, in New England. No meetings or game planning with him. He just doesn’t want new England as a whole.

  46. mlhigh77 says:
    January 31, 2021 at 4:29 pm
    In addition to the above, when it comes time to start negotiating his next contract, Stafford knew he wouldn’t get paid FMV in NE. Nobody does.

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    He’s really not worth what he’s being paid now. He’s DEFINITELY NOT worth 2 1st round picks.

  47. That’s cool, no one up here wanted him anyway…
    looks at his playoff record of…0 wins.
    Not Patriot material.

  48. Quite sure this is fodder for the haters but the Patriots were NEVER going to go after Stafford anyway. As for the people saying look what Newton couldn’t do. PLEASE. Newton couldn’t complete routine 5 to 10 yard passes game after game. There were plenty of passes to be made in the screen game to the rbs week in and week out yet Newton couldn’t even do that. Yes NE is lacking top tier talent at wr and te but there are several qbs who would of had a much better season in NE last year. Also without Belichick defense in the first three Superbowls Brady would not have had the chance to do what he did so saying it was all Brady now is simply ludicrous. As for Stafford I think he’s in a good spot and it seems like a trade that could workout for both teams in the now and the long haul.

  49. Florio, ask Rodney Harrison why he signed with the Patriots. The answer is Bill Belichick.

    Tell that to Rex Ryan who’s green with envy. Never heard Bill say a bad word about Ryan, not that he talked about him much. You would think Bill had been Rex’s prom date given that Rex talks about him do much.

  50. What a damning indictment of the current day NFL. The inmates are running the asylum.

  51. patswhatsup says:
    January 31, 2021 at 1:05 pm
    I didn’t realize how victory averse Stafford is. Wow.

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    You can’t be serious!! Now that Brady is in the Super Bowl and Belichick has a losing season I don’t think anyone should have a doubt as to who was the true force behind Pats run of excellence. (hint: it’s Brady).

  52. silverspoonwoodyjohnson says:
    January 31, 2021 at 12:56 pm
    I wouldn’t go there either. I’ve been to Gillette as an opposing fan. Worst fans in the league. Even worse than Philadelphia if you could believe that!
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    As the fan of an opposing team the odds are high that your team lost and you had your team colors on. Boo hoo hoo doze mean old fans!

  53. Good for Stafford. He’s seen so many coaches come and go in Detroit, he probably knew from day one that Patricia was not long for the job. Stafford didn’t any more of him than he’d already had. Sure enough, his little Belicheck impersonation bombed in short order. Stafford deserves a shot with an organization that has some sort of clue.

  54. Quarterbacking is just a job to Stafford. He might desire to be good at his job, but he’s not interested in immortality. The culture of the Lions fit his personality. He goes into work, does his job goes home, doesn’t think about his job. Patriots are next level fanatics devoted to success in football. Stafford has no interest in that.

  55. The patriot way is only awesome when you’re winning titles.

    Without the titles it’s really just another way, and there will be division and leaks, just like any other way that’s less successful than it was before. See the 99 bulls

  56. He realized that Patriots system is Brady’s system, not Belicheap’s system.

    He didn’t want to be next Cam Newton.

  57. He must not like disipline or winning. Thats troubling.

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    A coach can discipline players ONLY when players because they can win with the coach, not the other way.

    Belicheap is not kind of coach you can win with, unless he has a QB who has skill set to turn cheap receivers into play makers, and covers his stupidity on offense.

  58. majormalphunktion says:
    January 31, 2021 at 5:00 pm
    That’s cool, no one up here wanted him anyway…
    looks at his playoff record of…0 wins.
    Not Patriot material.

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    But Cam, who ran from a fumble at his feet in a SB that he may have won had he fell on the ball IS Patriot material? You’re comment holds no water.

  59. I just want to say I’m happy Stafford is getting out of Detroit to a team with a decent chance of winning. I’m a Packers fan and I’ve watched his talent be wasted with some truly gawdawful teams. Good luck to him (except against my team, of course.).

  60. No worries either way Matthew. There’s zero chance Belichick would’ve given up the king’s ransom the Lions fleeced the Rams for for you. You are good, that’s it, no better no worse. Two 1sts and a 3rd PLUS Goff???? That is a horrible trade for the Rams.

  61. Random thoughts:

    1) You’re delusional. Patriots fans are NOT “cheering for the Bucs”, they couldn’t care LESS about the Bucs.

    They’re cheering for BRADY.

    2) Any of you thinking that Stafford didn’t want to come to New England because of Patricia, are idiots. You do realize that Patricia was a DEFENSIVE co-ordinator here, and Quarterback is a, you know, OFFENSIVE position??

    McDaniels would be his coach.

    3) When Stafford is anything more than slightly-above-average, let me know. All this hoopla about a mediocre quarterback is baffling

    4) This trade says way more about how badly the Rams wanted out of Goff’s contract, than it does about Stafford’s skills.

  62. It’s laughable that Pats fans are saying they wouldn’t want him. He would be a huge step up from Cam. Hope you guys enjoyed the run while it lasted because now it’s back to another 25 years of mediocrity. You weren’t real humble while it was happening so no one’s going to shed a tear for you now.

  63. He’d play for the 13-time world champion Packers but not the 6-time champion Patriots. That’s telling.

  64. Show’s how foolish Stafford is. Played for a future legendary coach in Detroit in Matt Patricia and blow’s opportunity to reunite with him in New England. Detroit should have kept Patricia and only dumped Stafford.

  65. Yeah why go to one of the best organizations in professional sports. No wonder Stafford has been a loser since he joined the NFL.

  66. He knows Belichick can’t do anything for him, Brady had all the magic

  67. Belichick went 11-5 with a QB that didn’t even start in college.

    Name another coach that would even play such a QB never mind win with him.

  68. It’s Stafford people.

    S-T-A-F-F-O-R-D

    And he’ll play 1 or 2 years in L.A. before he calls it quits.

    Good luck Rams fans for 2 losing seasons ahead.

  69. It’s obviously because of Patricia. Coach Pencil is obviously a broken branch off of the Belichick coaching tree.

  70. 1. Harrison

    2.Gilmore

    3. Revis

    4. Nincovich

    5. Vrabel

    I could keep going but Bill has done well in free agents on the defensive side of the ball.

  71. hardest coaching in the league by far, not for everyone certainly, all business, he wins more than anyone.

  72. You people make me sick.

    This “Brady carried the Patriots” is a clear sign of a low football IQ and is contradicted by a lot of evidence.

    Super Bowl 36. Rams – Patriots I
    Brady 145 yards, 1 TD
    Ty Law’s pick 6 and the other turnovers forced by the D account for as many points as the offense in the 20-17 win.
    Bill has a knack of neutralizing or containing HOF offenses like Warner’s Greatest Show on Turf

    Super Bowl 53. Rams – Patriots II
    Brady 262 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT
    The offense produced only 13 points in the 13-3 win.
    But the D held Goff to 229 yards, 0 TDs, 1 INT, and 50% completion

    Super Bowl 42. Giants – Patriots I
    Brady 266 yards, 1 TD
    The offense produced only 14 points in the 17-14 loss.
    The D kept the Patriots in the game, holding Eli Manning to only 10 points until the final minute of play.

    Super Bowl 49. Seahawks – Patriots.
    This was a true synergy of Brady’s O and Belichick’s D.  Belichick coached Malcolm Butler and the D to expect the quick inside slant at the goalline. They practiced it all week.  It turned out to be the winning play, producing the most shocking end to a Super Bowl ever.

    2018 AFCCG Patriots 37, Chiefs 31 OT
    This game might have had a different outcome if Belichick’s D had not held Patrick Mahomes scoreless in the 1st half (Patriots 14, Chiefs 0)
    The Patriots won their regular season game over the Chiefs in similar fashion, with the D helping stake the Patriots to a 24-6 halftime lead on route to a 43-40 win.

    2003 AFCCG Patriots 24, Colts 14
    The D held Peyton Manning scoreless in the first half. Ty Law recorded 4 INTs.

    As defensive coordinator for the Giants, Belichick is credited for having designed schemes that thwarted Joe Montana, Jim Kelley, and John Elway at the peak of their momentum.

    1986 NFC Divisional Round
    Giants 49, 49ers 3
    Montana was 8 of 15 for 89 yards, 0 TD, 2 INTs before a hit by Jim Burt knocked him out of the game

    1990 NFC Divisional Round
    Giants 15, 49ers 13
    Montana was 18 of 26 for 190 yards and only 1 TD.
    The Giants ended the 49ers run of 2 straight championships

    Super Bowl 25
    Giants 20, Bills 19
    Jim Kelly’s Bills had one of the most prolific offenses, having hung 51 points on the Raiders in the AFCCG
    The Giants D knew they needed something special since they were starting the inexperienced backup Hostetler.
    The Bills were held to 1 of 8 on 3rd down and 19 minutes of possession time.
    Belichick’s game plan is enshrined in the HOF

  73. intellectualpenury says:
    January 31, 2021 at 7:14 pm
    Show’s how foolish Stafford is. Played for a future legendary coach in Detroit in Matt Patricia and blow’s opportunity to reunite with him in New England. Detroit should have kept Patricia and only dumped Stafford.

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    Matt, is that you??

  74. I could keep going but Bill has done well in free agents on the defensive side of the ball.
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    His defense could win nothing without top 10 offense, or play time-consuming offense to help his PAPER TIGER defense.

    Like in 1991 SB run, Bill Parcel’s offense played 39 minutes against 49ers in NFCCG, and 40+ minutes against Bills in SB.

    That is why Belichick is not HC material, because he is BeliCHEAP on offense, and completely garbage on offense.

  75. “This “Brady carried the Patriots” is a clear sign of a low football IQ and is contradicted by a lot of evidence.”

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    You should find a school and learn logic.

    Even in 2001 SB run, you think it was easy to save Pats from their own 3 yard line, with the cheap squad BeliCHEAP give to him? you think it was easy to deliver winning drive with the cheap squad BeliCHEAP give to him?

    SB 53 against depleted Rams offense? With so much invested in defense, that was the ONLY good playoff game by Pats defense, OK?

  76. It’s amazing how football fans let their personal biases influence their opinions…

    First off, I’m not a Patriots fan (Panthers homer), but anybody who says that Belichick is not a great coach because of one rebuilding year where the team was just average…well it’s just crazy.

    Heck, people forget that the guy has EIGHT Super Bowl rings, two more than Brady does (two as DC with the Giants). As head coach, 17 division titles, 13 AFC championship game appearances, nine SB appearances, and six wins. Sure, having a great QB like Brady made his job easier, but plenty of coaches have had QB’s as good or better than Brady with nowhere near the resume of BB.

  77. Heck, people forget that the guy has EIGHT Super Bowl rings,

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    1986 Giants offense was among top 10. 1991 SB run, Bill Parcel’s offense played 39 minutes against 49ers in NFCCG, and 40+ minutes against Bills in SB.

    Do you know Pats always had top 10 offense with Brady? Do you know Pats offense became basement dweller in 2019, JUST LIKE 2000 Pats with Bledsoe?

    Now tell me :
    #1, When will BeliCHEAP give his QB a WR group as talented as the WR group Josh Allen has?
    #2, How will BeliCHEAP be able to stay “great” without a QB who has the skills to turn cheap short slot receivers into play makers?

  78. tigerlilac says:
    January 31, 2021 at 7:58 pm
    Belichick went 11-5 with a QB that didn’t even start in college.

    Name another coach that would even play such a QB never mind win with him

    * Todd Haley won with him too. Look, Belichick inherited some pretty good defenders, but it was Brady’s play that allowed them to keep spending on D. He got stuck with guys like Welker and Burkhead, total garbage, so Bill could keep the D afloat, but even then his vaunted D couldn’t stop Eli or Foles

  79. but it was Brady’s play that allowed them to keep spending on D.

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    That is what these people still don’t get it, for whatever reasons.

    — Pats became a dynasty because they had BOTH top 10 defense and top 10 offense.

    — They had top 10 defense because Belichick spent a lot on defense.

    — The reason they still had top 10 offense? Tom Brady.

    Just think how many teams with good defenses could have become a dynasty if they had a QB who could produce top 10 offense without top paid WR and top paid O-line.

    It is simple logic and I don’t know why those BeliCHEAP believers don’t get it. Now BeliCHEAP will have to deal with salary cap every other coach has to deal with, and he will be exposed as a garbage HC on building offense.

  80. The comment section of this site went from “Brady is a system QB” to “Belichick is nothing without Brady” in a single season.

  81. “Is Belichick nothing without Brady”

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    Belichick would have accomplished nothing without his offense played like top 10 offense.

    Belichick is BeliCHEAP on offense.

    Hence, he needs a QB who has skill set to turn cheap receivers into play makers.

    Without such a QB, you will see he is a garbage on offense.

  82. spartanlegend says:
    You weren’t real humble while it was happening so no one’s going to shed a tear for you now..

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    We enjoyed SEVENTEEN years of playoffs.

    We enjoyed SEVENTEEN Division Titles.

    We enjoyed playing in TEN Super Bowls in NINETEEN years.

    We enjoyed winning SIX Super Bowls in NINETEEN years.

    Save your tears, we don’t need them.

    Happy for the “good” times

  83. The revisionist history and illogic about Belichick belongs on on a Parlor thread.

    Sorry, Haley won with Matt Cassell after Belichick drafted him (a guy that didn’t play) in the 7th round and developed him into an NFL backup and turned him into a starter when Brady was knocked out for the season in game won and went 11-5. Please don’t compare Haley playing him as a veteran, especially after Pioli forced Casselll on him.

    In what universe is Wes Welker a stiff? Troy Brown, Wes Welker (undrafted but Bill traded a late 2nd round pick for him) and Julian Edelman (7th rd draft choice) were all first down machines (and they were slot receivers that blocked). They also were excellent punt returners.

    Gronk didn’t do much in college but he became a HOF tight end with the Patriots who also blocked. Hernandez (4th rd) was uncoverable by a linebacker. Moss (traded for a 4th) was a HOF receiver. Amendola was another undrafted player that excelled with the Patriots. Deion Branch was a 2nd round pick and won a super bowl MVP.

    Antowain Smith was released by the Bills and won two super bowls with the Patriots as a power running back. Corey Dillion traded for a 2nd round pick was a model citizen and won a super bowl with the Patriots as a power runner. Lagarette Blount, another power running back was picked up twice by Belichick and won two super bowls with the Patriots. Vareen and White both excelled as third down backs in super bowls.

    Brady’s weakest team was his first super bowl. Of course it got hard to keep players. How many teams in the free agency period went 19 years without a losing season, went to nine super bowls, winning six. And people are saying they won despite of their Head Coach? The guy who laughed when reporters asked if he was going to bench Brady after early season losses. Yea, right.

  84. Troy Brown, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman were all first down machines

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    Ever thought they were wide open because Brady threw the balls at the earliest possible time?

    Didn’t you see that all those “easy” routes and “easy” throws were gone with Cam?

    Didn’t you see that James White “forgot” how to get wide open?

    You think that those cheap short slot receivers would still be top play makers with other QB?

  85. I didn’t say Brady’s not the GOAT. I have been saying it for years.

    Before Washington won in week 17 I predicted the Bucs would play in the NFCCG against the Packers. Brady and the Bucs surprised me by winning.

    Belichick is the greatest coach in NFL history, hands down. It’s not even close. He did it in a 32 team league rigged to make it hard to dominate for multiple years.

    Yes, he needs a QB.

  86. This is 100% Matt Patricia, not an indictment of Belichick.

    Patricia was universally hated here, and when he was fired Stafford led the discussion of how things would proceed. It was clear that Stafford was pleased he was gone. And who wouldn’t be.

  87. That’s the story with players today they like the money and fame but dont like to work hard! belichick is a true old school hard driving coach If you buy in you will receive the greatest coaching you can ever get.

  88. I mean if you didn’t get along with a coach why would you follow that coach to a different team? Pretty sure Ryan Tannehill and Jarvis Landry would rather shut their hands in a car door than end up on a sideline with Adam Gase again after their stint with the Dolphins. Especially with how successful they’ve both been since getting away from him so that’s probably the right decision. Stafford not wanting to be around Patricia again is a no brainer.

    The presumption that it’s a problem with the Patriots team itself is ridiculous considering Stafford said he would be willing to go to much worse teams.

  89. Maybe he didn’t want to go to NE so he wouldn’t have to deflate the footballs..

  90. A coach can discipline players ONLY when players because they can win with the coach, not the other way.

    Belicheap is not kind of coach you can win with, unless he has a QB who has skill set to turn cheap receivers into play makers, and covers his stupidity on offense.

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    What? Belichick is a WINNER. As not only the head coach, but as the General Manager, who do you think built those teams around Brady? Yes ,he had his share of busts, but how do you argue against 8 Super Bowl rings?

  91. They went as far as the GOAT took them.. Belichick is back the be the losing coach he was just like in the pre Brady era…just facts.

  92. “He must not like disipline or winning. Thats troubling.”
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    You’re only as good as your last season and the Pats were horrible. And they have issues that will take more than a year or two to fix, including the fact they are short on talent at all the skill positions. They played 3 guys this season in Cam, Hoyer and Stidham and they all looked terrible so fair to wonder if any QB would be able to single-handedly carry them.

  93. Trust me. If the Bucs get blown out by Mahomes, this whole conversation will be turned on its head.

  94. Trust me. If the Bucs get blown out by Mahomes, this whole conversation will be turned on its head.
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    If = when

  95. Reading a lot of hurt feelings of Patriot fans on here.
    Awesome…..

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    Experts one and all……..I’ll take the last 20 yrs, you get up in the morning and hunt for Pat’s posts.

    Go Pats

  96. To label Belichick as “Belicheap” signals that you are unable to look at this argument clearly. I remember plenty of times Brady was bailed out by other players. He was good, yes, but everyone has to win with personnel they can afford. However, Moss and Gronk both had huge catch radius, White should’ve been, SBMVP, Branch was underrated, those slot wr’s consistently got wide open. Don’t forget that offensive line that was phenomenal and rarely made mistakes. Brady went to a loaded TB team to return to SB. Pats lost how many to opt outs? Give BB a good QB, and he will return as well. BB had a hand in every facet of the Pats titles. Pats have 0 titles without Belichick.

  97. Well with Stafford’s long track record of unprecedented success…who cares. As far as I’m concerned, he’s just a well-seasoned loser.

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