The Eagles are quickly losing leverage in the effort to trade Carson Wentz

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When trying to trade a player, the leverage for maximizing the return comes from one of two places: Having multiple teams pursuing the trade or persuading one or more teams that the current team will keep the player.

The Eagles seem to be quickly losing both types of leverage, if they ever had either.

The notion that the Bears and Colts are competing for Wentz hasn’t taken root. The rumor of Wentz and a draft pick to the Bears for quarterback Nick Foles, running back Tarik Cohen, and a first-round pick, which came from the Eagles’ sideline reporter for radio broadcasts, feels like an effort to get the Colts to offer more.

Really, why would the Bears want Wentz? More importantly, why would Wentz want the Bears? If Wentz fails in Chicago, he’ll hear it just as quickly and just as loudly as he’s heard it in Philly. And if Wentz fails in Chicago, everyone is getting fired. Wentz shouldn’t want to step into that kind of situation.

The Eagles, who reportedly are grousing that they haven’t gotten a fair offer for Wentz, will have a hard time making the Colts think that the Eagles will keep him. Wentz, by all appearances, wants out. The Eagles, by all appearances, realize that it’s time to move on.

And on the scale of Matthew Stafford to Jared Goff, Wentz lands far closer to Goff when it comes to the value of jettisoning his contract. The Eagles avoid the vesting of more than $40 million in fully-guaranteed pay by trading him in the middle of March. If they were determined to keep him, they would have said so long before momentum built toward a trade.

Reports emanating from the Wentz camp have contributed to that momentum. That keeps the Eagles from getting the most that they can for Wentz.

Two years ago, the Eagles floated the notion that they would tag and trade Nick Foles. When they realized that no one would trade for a franchise-tagged Nick Foles. The Eagles didn’t tag him. In this case, common sense suggests that the Eagles eventually will take what they can get for Wentz.

For now, the Eagles have one obvious suitor. Unless someone joins the Colts at the table, the Eagles will trade Wentz pursuant only to the terms that the Colts will offer.

Or the Eagles will keep him. And they’ll live with the consequences of committing that kind of money to a guy who doesn’t want to be there.

As to Foles, he could still end up back in Philly. Even if the Bears don’t trade for Wentz, they’ll likely try to move on from Foles. In the end, don’t be shocked if the Eagles ship Wentz to Indy, and bring Foles back to Philadelphia for the third time.

87 responses to “The Eagles are quickly losing leverage in the effort to trade Carson Wentz

  1. Why does what Wentz wants matter? With his contract and the pay he played last year, he’s not in a position to make demands.

  2. After he signed his contract and then play as poorly as he did it doesn’t look like they ever really did have any leverage at all. They are a hostage to $$$$$ and they know it. They are just looking for a sucker to give up too much to take on the right to pay an overpriced player.

  3. It would be amazing to see Foles back in Philly showing the fans who kept clamoring about his greatness that he is on a good day average.

  4. Just as the Eagles are losing leverage, so, too are the Texans with Watson as the list of QB needy teams diminish. If the Covid-19 crisis is still with us, what is to stop Watson from opting out and working in the community next season? I don’t think many commentators are factoring in that possibility which would prevent the Texans from putting a monetary armlock on Watson. Just speculating; what’s to stop Watson from announcing that if he is still in Houston and has the option to opt out, he will opt out and dedicate the next year to community issues?

  5. Wow. Penthouse to the doghouse for this dude.
    He was the second coming of Montana a couple of years ago.

    Now he’s considered dog meat….

  6. Sounds about right. Eagles may need to give up a first round pick to get rid of Wentz’s contract. It’s crazy that they are asking for a first round pick for him.

  7. I just don’t understand why the Eagles want to trade him? $34 million in dead money when the salary cap is only $180 million! How do you build a team? I would hope for a bounce back season from Wentz. If it doesn’t happen then the cap hit is much less in 2022 then now.

  8. I’m disappointed that Wentz hasn’t addressed any of this publicly, and the longer he waits, the worse it looks… unless he’s quietly talking to players and coaches, it doesn’t seem mendable at this point… it’s a shame that he’ll be shipped out after one bad year, Big Ben and both Manning brothers were kept by their teams after 20+ INT seasons… if Wentz does go to Indy, Eagles fans will see the Wentz they saw in 2017, and the same people who blasted the team for giving him his contract will spend all of 2021 blasting them for getting rid of him.

  9. The NFL media create the problem tp solve the problem…just yesterday, Carson Wentz “will be traded in hours.:….now, the Eagles are losing leverge. Laughabale.

  10. I am confused, wasn’t Nick Sirianni hired to save Wentz? His coaching resume doesn’t seem to mesh with Hurts style of play. Seems like Roseman or Lurie have no clue at what they are doing.

  11. Funny when you read anything from anybody in Chicago or Indy beat writers or papers, both are all in on Wentz. Must be something to it since the colts brought in Press Taylor and the Bears gave a “promotion” to DeFilippo.

    I don’t know much about Howie Roseman other than that he can’t draft. One thing I do know is he can fix a cap and quickly. The Eagles will find a way to win on this deal. The Rams got hosed because the GM is as patient as a roadrunner.

  12. The Eagles are second in the NFL in terms of being over the reduced salary cap for next year to the tune of around $50 million. Just unloading Wentz’s salary would be a victory. If someone offers a 1st for Wentz Philly needs to jump on the offer.

    Personally, to eat that salary given his performance this year I’d offer a late 2nd rounder and nothing more.

  13. Even if the Eagles just get a 2nd rounder for him it’s worth it to get off that contract.

  14. Like I tell my kids when we have a yard sale: Your stuff is worth what someone will pay for it.

  15. arealisticpackerfan says:
    February 9, 2021 at 3:54 pm
    Why does what Wentz wants matter? With his contract and the pay he played last year, he’s not in a position to make demands.

    Agreed. Florio is a tad bit wrong here. The albatross is Wentz – his contact, his already expressed desire to leave, etc. This is not the Eagles mishap, sorry. Plus anyone that doesn’t know that what a GM says and doesn’t say doesn’t really affect negotiations….the other side must really not be that bright to not see “tactics”.

  16. Even as an Eagles fan, a large part of me wants to see this blow up in Howie Roseman’s face. It’s going to take the Eagles Turning into a post-apocalyptic dystopian nightmare to exorcize him from Philly. And it seems like that’s where we are headed.

  17. One of the things that make professional athletes different than many people is their belief in themselves. I doubt Wentz would fear going someplace because of what would happen if he failed. I am guessing he believes that he is going to be successful wherever he ends up.

  18. The list of potential suitors:
    1. Colts
    2. Bears
    3. Panthers?

    The Eagles need to understand nobody is rushing to give up a haul for an expensive, injury prone QB who was horrible last season. The Colts have familiarity and cap space while the Bears are simply the most desperate QB needy team in the league. Obviously Philly wouldn’t trade him to Washington. There just isn’t enough demand for Wentz to get proper value in return.

  19. Why not give the coach you hired to fix Wentz a chance to do that? They already fired the guy who brought them a Super Bowl 3 years ago, that looked to me like they were going all in on keeping Wentz and trying to get him back to where he was that season before he tore his ACL. Why trade him now and eat 30+ million in dead cap space?

  20. Doesn’t help that Wilson might now be available at the right price either. Bears might be thinking that route instead.

  21. 7th rounder to take on the salary. That’s about it. Maybe an additional conditional pick.
    They’ve never had any leverage to “lose.”

  22. The problem with the eagles trying to create leverage last week by leaking that a trade was close, is that it can come back and bite the team very hard in the posterior if that rumor doesn’t create the momentum desired.

  23. To the people who have very short memory spans…yes Nick Foles has not been good on other teams but he just wins when wearing green. 21-11 regular season…4-2 playoff record…Set records in 2013 and saved the Eagles season a second time in 2018.

  24. The Eagles may be losing leverage but it’s unclear how much of a problem that is for them. If they are perfectly comfortable keeping Wentz- then this whole thing has been an exercise to see what was behind door #2, for both Carson and the Eagles. I’m sure it has raised quite a bit of internal dialogue at the Eagles complex. At the end of the day, Carson is a good maybe great player who you can definitely build upon. He is immensely talented and had one bad year with a lot of other factors contributing. They might just say to everyone internally- “Ok, we looked into it and it wasn’t a way to go, now let’s go forward collaboratively”. Sometimes you need to go through a process. The new coaches have reportedly said they actually are excited to work with him, and he might like what they come up with.

  25. deneb1973 says:
    Just speculating; what’s to stop Watson from announcing that if he is still in Houston and has the option to opt out, he will opt out and dedicate the next year to community issues?
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    Let’s assume the COVID opt-out option will still exist when training camps kick off in five months. What would that get Desean Watson?
    If he opted out he wouldn’t get paid, wouldn’t accrue a year of service toward the fulfillment of his contract, and much of his cap hit would be pushed to 2022 and wouldn’t count against Houston’s numbers for 2021.
    In that event, the Texans could take a stand and just let him sit out. Watson would lose a year out of the physical prime of his career he would never get back, while getting paid just $150,000 per the agreement between the NFL and the NFLPA. When he returned the following season that $150,000 would be deducted from his 2022 salary, and he’d find himself in exactly the same position he is today.
    I don’t care what gaudy stats Watson puts up while playing from behind and passing almost every down for the better part of four quarters. The Texans won only four games WITH him playing, and the NFL’s lucrative broadcast contracts virtually guarantee every team makes a profit, win or lose.
    What would Watson really gain, and what would the Texans lose by calling his opt-out bluff?

  26. It’s hard to say what’s going on here. I’m still not convinced they are trading Wentz at all. This “reports emanating from the Wentz camp” is likely nonsense. As an Eagles fan, I’m not particularly worried about whether he stays or goes. If he goes, great, we’ll move on with a new QB and a new staff. If he stays, I think the new staff will get more out of him than this year to say the least. I’m more worried about fixing the OL and defensive secondary, as well as adding pass catchers.

  27. Maybe these teams did their homework and just don’t really want him anymore. Even his own team. I hope the Colts resign Brisettfora 2yr prove it. Then the price for Wentz goes way down. And he may will be cut.

  28. Nice work, Howie. Funny how they end up keeping the person most complicit in their demise.

  29. No one is giving up picks for Wentz, the Eagles will need to give u picks to get someone to take on that bloated salary for a guy who has played terribly.

  30. rodgerstonelson says:
    February 9, 2021 at 3:54 pm

    Foles is a back up at best. Riding on the success of a SB for years.

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    Well, seeing as how the SB is what every team and player in the league is aspiring to, “riding on the success of a SB” is what every player is trying to do.

    But to be more accurate, he’s riding on having proven that he can win in the playoffs and putting on one of the best SB performances by a QB in recent memory, if not ever.

    How many coaches and GMs wonder whether their guy will be able to do that if they get to that point? Foles has shown he can. Little wonder he’d be able to “ride on” that.

  31. Well when you play for a powerhouse like north dakota state and play all those tough schools, you would think the nfl front office for the eagles would have done a better job of his contract. hurt and poor play does not mean you give him a huge contract. my packers would never over pay a qb.

  32. something happened between firing pederson and now. at the time dougie was fired, lurie seemed to have refused to eat the cap hit on getting rid of wentz. don’t know what happened but he now seems to be willing to sign off on it. think whatever it was came from wentz or his agent.

    were it me, if wentz insists on leaving he would have to rework his contract to allow the eagles to obtain a reduction in the dead money. otherwise, if you will have to pay him either way, i’m paying him to stay and compete with hurts.

    i don’t know who is advising wentz but he comes off as a complete hypocrite spouting his religious piety at every turn and then sticking his coach and teammates in the back at the first sign of rough seas, and pouting to the point he failed to even acknowledge doug pederson on the occasion of his being fired. weak. no wonder the locker room ended up turning on him. everyone hates a fake.

  33. Apparently Roseman isn’t happy with the Texans being the league’s biggest trainwreck and wants the Eagles to challenge that.

  34. Or the Eagles can just alternate QB’s the way Tom Landry & the Cowboys did way back in the day with Roger Staubach & Craig Morton. More recently we have the Joe Montana-Steve Young example.
    But let’s be clear that Wentz-Hurts aren’t on the same level as any of the previously mentioned QB’s.

  35. Just fix the O-line and see if Wentz can improve. I have a feeling ANY quarterback can do better with an improve O-line.

  36. Lurie saw how the fans loved Tebow in 2015. He went and got himself a poor man’s Tebow in Wentz minus the talent, charisma, leadership and proselytizing!

  37. The joke is on whoever believes the drivel that is being cranked out by the media on a daily basis. Truth be told, none of the so-called pundits has a clue.

  38. kevpft says: “How many coaches and GMs wonder whether their guy will be able to do that if they get to that point? Foles has shown he can. Little wonder he’d be able to “ride on” that.”
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    Other than that great SB run, have you WATCHED Foles play? You know he’s pretty bad when he’s been benched and replaced by:
    – Case Kennum in St. Louis
    – Gardiner Minshew in Jacksonville
    – Mitch Trubisky in Chicago

  39. For the final time. Foles is not a winning QB. They got hot at the right time. He has been benched several times in his career for poor play. Wentz doesn’t even have potential at this point. His attitude is trash. His leadership is non existent. Poor work ethic. Unreachable. Whiny. Why hasn’t he said anything at all since being deactivated? Nothing? So many deadbeat QBs demanding stuff. Take your 10s of millions and get to work.

  40. A couple of things. First, Tarik Cohen keeps coming up as the player to be added to Foles from the Bears. He hasn’t been great the last 2 years but from what I can see he’s still very much in Nagy’s plans. The rumor that it’s underachieving, undisciplined and inconsistent 2nd round pick WR Anthony Miller on the block is much more plausible.

    I wonder if Ryan Pace has been told Bears ownership will only greenlight the deal if it doesn’t involve the 1st round pick this year or next (when Pace may not even be around anymore). That would be an unusual display of football acumen from the McCaskeys but in these times anything is possible.

  41. They should have kept Pederson. Its unbelievable that a head coach who won the superbowl 3 years ago doesnt have a job.

  42. The Eagles are trying to play chess and the rest of the league is like, “go fish!”

  43. Without the massive contract the Eagles gave him you might get a desperate GM to take a gamble that he can somehow get back to where he was a few years ago. It would be a dumb move and almost certainly fail but a dumba$$ like Ryan Pace might go for it. But who’s going to give up good draft capital where if it doesn’t work out (which it won’t) you’re stuck with a huge dead cap hit? Eagles need to stop whining and take what they can get.

  44. There are plenty of teams that don’t have a QB as good as Trubisky, and he’s still young and improving. So is Wentz, for that matter. Teams are just sitting back watching the price tag on Wentz go down. At some point, several teams will jump in, then the price will go up. I don’t think the Eagles are in a rush to do anything because they don’t have to. The deals will come to them.

  45. This is in response to the multiple people who ask why Philly would even trade him with that much dead money: they must trade him because Wentz has made it clear he doesn’t want to be there, and having a QB on your team who doesn’t want to be there is cancerous to the entire locker room.

  46. Wait a minute…shouldn’t the Eagles keep Wentz for the dynasty they’re in the middle of building?

  47. 2ruefan says:
    February 9, 2021 at 4:04 pm
    Wow. Penthouse to the doghouse for this dude.
    He was the second coming of Montana a couple of years ago.

    Now he’s considered dog meat….
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    Thats kind of offensive to dog meat don’t you think?

  48. 2ruefan says:
    February 9, 2021 at 4:04 pm

    Wow. Penthouse to the doghouse for this dude.
    He was the second coming of Montana a couple of years ago.

    Now he’s considered dog meat….

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    I always thought Wentz was overrated. Seriously, what’s he ever done that’s significant except get injured at the right (or is it the wrong?) time?

  49. deneb1973 says:
    February 9, 2021 at 3:59 pm
    Just as the Eagles are losing leverage, so, too are the Texans with Watson as the list of QB needy teams diminish. If the Covid-19 crisis is still with us, what is to stop Watson from opting out and working in the community next season
    ___________

    I’m not sure that’s the “threat” that you think it is. Watson would gain nothing by opting out (other than a year of age), and his salary would come off the books, meaning the Texans can replace him with any QB willing to sign a one year contract for $15 million or less (which ranges from poor to decent). If he really wants out of Houston, having an adult conversation with the people capable of facilitating that move would be a good start.

  50. The Eagles aren’t losing leverage. They never had any.

    I’m mildly surprised Ryan Pace isn’t bidding against himself for a mediocre and terribly overpaid QB.

  51. Wentz to Denver for two 2nd round picks and a renegotiated contract sounds fair. Wentz has a huge upside if he can get his mojo back. Denver, Dallas, the Colts or the saints would be prime landing spots. If I was Wentz I’d play for next to nothing to get back in the game and get it going again.

  52. It’s like trying to sell your car for what your loan balance or lease payoff is but the bluebook is way below that value.

  53. i think the Eagles might have to give a draft pick with Wentz to move him on- his salary is way out of porportion with his performance levels over the last few years

  54. amaf21 says:
    February 9, 2021 at 5:32 pm
    drew brees has taught wentz well. #salarycaphostage2.0
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    Would that be the same Drew Brees who just reworked his contract to the vet minimum this next year to help the Saints get under the cap? Retiring or not he did not have to do that.

  55. This is what happens when you overpay a player [which they are all overpaid to start with]. You lose your shirt come deal time. Wentz had shown flashes early on but at the end he’s just a flash in the pan.

  56. cheeseburger says:
    February 9, 2021 at 4:18 pm
    The NFL media create the problem tp solve the problem…just yesterday, Carson Wentz “will be traded in hours.:….now, the Eagles are losing leverge. Laughabale.
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    I’m guessing that you don’t know how this dog and pony show works. The “media” didn’t do anything but report what NFL people want them to report. Carson’s people, likely his agent or himself or a known surrogate, told a reported that he wanted out. This let NFL teams know that Carson is available. The Eagles brass went to the press and said a deal was immanent to try and drum up a “last minute” trade offer from a team. The trading team is likely pumping the breaks to slow the process because the longer this goes the more money the Eagles have to give a guy about to be traded; which puts the pressure on the Eagle to accept the current offer. It also conceals a viable trade involving a player who doesn’t know he’s on the block.

    The Carson trade and all it’s elements were not “created by the media” so much as facilitated by the media. If you ask yourself “who benefits from this being public” you can usually determine which side handed out the information. This situation and it’s conflicting media reports are intentional actions of the involved parties, not some media manipulation.

  57. Foles is fool’s gold. People forget that the season after they won the Super Bowl, he was so terrible as the starter that the Eagles rushed Wentz back before he was ready.

    Nick Foles is Ryan Fitzpatrick is Matt Moore is Case Keenum.

    Great in small doses but NEVER the long term answer.

  58. Two years ago, the Eagles floated the notion that they would tag and trade Nick Foles. When they realized that no one would trade for a franchise-tagged Nick Foles.
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    Someone must’ve said that as a joke and then they began to seriously consider it, because in the real world this is just some whacky nonsense and I can’t believe people paid to run a football team think like this.

  59. neverdieeasy says:
    February 9, 2021 at 7:11 pm
    For the final time. Foles is not a winning QB. They got hot at the right time. He has been benched several times in his career for poor play. Wentz doesn’t even have potential at this point. His attitude is trash. His leadership is non existent. Poor work ethic. Unreachable. Whiny. Why hasn’t he said anything at all since being deactivated? Nothing? So many deadbeat QBs demanding stuff. Take your 10s of millions and get to work.
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    Foles is abolutely a winning QB. In Philadelphia. He’s not succeeded elsewhere. I don’t know what it is, but it is.

    Wentz doesn’t have potential? That’s a silly statement. He does, and he’s shown it. I don’t know whether or not he can get back to form, but talent isn’t the problem. Why hasn’t he said anything? What is he going to say? He’s stayed silent, which is probably the best thing he can do in the situation. He probably wants a trade…can you blame him? Certainly he’s known to be headstrong and played poorly this year. But he also had a decimated line and WR situation, as well as a coach who couldn’t seem to design an offense to his strengths. What I don’t see is how you claim he is “demanding” things when you’re also saying he’s been silent.

  60. They never had any leverage to trade him. His “question marks to guaranteed salary” ratio is way off. You can’t bring in a guy making major starter money just HOPING he experiences a huge rebound to justify that amount of money. And there is literally only 2-3 teams who have any more than a passing interest in him with the Colts being the only one with a coaching staff in place who has worked with him when he was playing well. There just isn’t a big enough market to fuel a bidding war.

  61. Sunday Swami says:
    February 9, 2021 at 3:58 pm
    It would be amazing to see Foles back in Philly showing the fans who kept clamoring about his greatness that he is on a good day average.

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    i’m no foles fan, but on a good day, he showed he can play significantly better than average considering he outdueled tom brady in a superbowl.

  62. Bring Wentz back, make him complete for the job. Nobody is going to give up a number 1 for him, Roseman would blow the pick anyway. Jeffery needs to bring the boy in and straighten him out. Time to man up. You want to start Carson? EARN IT.

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