The pressure is now on the Patriots to solve the quarterback position

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Tom Brady 1, Bill Belichick 0.

Fair or not, that’s the perception. Brady left the Patriots, landed with the Buccaneers, helped put together a Superteam, and and won the Super Bowl. The Patriots failed to even make the playoffs.

Sure, they may not have made the playoffs if Brady had stayed. But that doesn’t matter. The Patriots failed to make it without Brady, and Brady won a Super Bowl without the Patriots.

As Bucs coach Bruce Arians indicated in comments made to SI.com before the Super Bowl, Brady had something to prove.

“Tom is playing for his teammates right now,” Arians said. “He wants those guys to experience what he’s experienced six times. I think personally, too, he’s making a statement, you know? It wasn’t all coach [Bill] Belichick.”

Statement made by Brady, the Patriots can’t stand silent. The pressure lands squarely on the Patriots to address the quarterback position in a meaningful way. Cam Newton isn’t the answer. Jarrett Stidham isn’t the answer. Brian Hoyer isn’t the answer.

So who will it be? A return of Jimmy Garoppolo? A reunion with Jacoby Brissett? A trade for a veteran from another team? A free agent? A rookie?

Whatever the Patriots do, there will be only more scrutiny in 2021. Especially with the slate of eight home games including a homecoming for a prodigal son who has managed to kill the fatted calf on his own.

69 responses to “The pressure is now on the Patriots to solve the quarterback position

  1. “Tom is playing for his teammates right now,” Arians said. “He wants those guys to experience what he’s experienced six times. I think personally, too, he’s making a statement, you know? It wasn’t all coach [Bill] Belichick.”

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    LOL! Arians basically bashes himself without realizing it….If BB didnt have an impact in those SB wins, then how is it Arians can take any credit for this SB win? Hey it was Brady, wasnt it?

    Didnt you have an article the other day saying Arians thought this was his best job of coaching in his career? Thats funny, he thinks he did a great job coaching but then thinks BB didnt.

  2. Belichick didn’t become a “genius” until he started Brady. Belichick was a losing head coach from his tenure in Cleveland and was 5-11 in his 1st year in NE before starting Brady, and only started Brady because his starter Drew Bledsoe was seriously injured. The main reason for NE’s success should have been obvious long before Tampa won the Super Bowl.

  3. Ridiculous narrative. Always has and always will. Brady said it best, “He can’t do my job, and I can’t do his.” Therefore the comparison is pointless.

  4. You can have rodgers but you have to trade us belichick for lafluer and we will throw in our newly hired DC

  5. Correction: Tom Brady 7, Bill Belichick 8.

    As for the “he’s making a statement, you know? It wasn’t all coach Belichick” comment, please show me ONE credible analyst who even said that. In fact, everyone seems to agree that BOTH Brady and Belichick are GOATS. How hard is it to accept that instead of trying to manufacture a controversy?

  6. The QB moves alone will make this offseason one of the most exciting to follow.

    Yeah, definitely the Patriots need to make a move. I don’t think it’ll be for a huge name and a blockbuster deal, though. That stuff’s just not in Belichick’s persona. It’ll be more like Mariota (trade), or among FAs, Brissett, Fitzpatrick, Andy Dalton. Maybe Trubisky.

  7. Arians seems a little obsessed with Belichick. Won’t miss an opportunity to bash him as if BB didn’t mold Brady into what he is.

  8. BB is a great coach – but he’s not a great GM.

    Look at the luxuries he has had in the latter role all these years:
    – Not having to worry about finding a franchise QB
    – Having a GOAT QB take pay cuts so that they could afford better players
    – Having the GOAT QB so that FA’s would take pay cuts just to play with him

    That’s all gone. I don’t see the Patriots getting back to being a top contender again for years. Both the AFCE and AFC in general are different animals now. After Lawrence gets drafted, it will be a very QB-heavy conference, and the Patriots are going to be on the outside looking in.

  9. mumfio says: “Belichick didn’t become a “genius” until he started Brady”
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    You do know Belichick got two SB rings from his DC gig with the Giants, right?

    In fact, his “genius” is why his gameplan for SB XXV is actually displayed in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame.

  10. Trade a 5th & 7th to LV for Mariota. Draft a young QB with the 4th (Mond, Newman, Ramsey or Costello?) & let him sit/learn for a year or 2.

  11. The best part of this is that the realization that Belichick is a run-of-the-mill coach will stretch out over years. The excuses are going to flow like the Mississippi.

  12. The main reason for NE’s success should have been obvious long before Tampa won the Super Bowl.
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    Belichicks defense has been top 10 each of the last 9 years. Pretty impressive this year, paired with an inept offense. Usually those units get boatraced.

    In the Brady-era, there have only been 2 seasons the D finished in the bottom half of the League. You have to go all the way back to 2005 to find them.

    Top 5 defense 8 times, #1 3 times, #2 twice
    Top 10 defense 17 of 20 seasons

    You would have me believe that isn’t remarkable?

    There are great defensive coaches in this League, and teams that pride themselves on playing great defense (Baltimore, Pittsburgh) They haven’t been remotely close to having this type of success.

  13. There are a few under the radar QB’s in the draft. Davis Mills of Stanford might be an interesting pick. He was a 5 star recruit whose biggest strength is quick decision making. Stanford QB’s generally have a good career. If the Patriots selected him with their third round pick – it would be with the compensatory pick for losing Tom Brady.

  14. Belichek will be back. he is not the kind of guy to care about what anybody else thinks. He know he needs a QB. He also knows he needs a younger receiving group. He also knows he needs a bunch of other things. he will build it all, or he’ll retire. That’s what he does.

  15. “Belichick didn’t become a “genius” until he started Brady. Belichick was a losing head coach from his tenure in Cleveland”

    Actually he was the last coach prior to this year to have a playoff win for Cleveland. Fun fact it was against the Pats.

  16. Belichick didn’t become a “genius” until he started Brady. ——————
    His 2 defensive game plans in the HOF from the Giants say differently.

  17. It will take years for New England to get their QB situation solved. Just look at how many other teams meander in mediocrity for years without a franchise QB as they go from a retread QB (Can Newton, etc), to some overhyped backup (Garoppolo, etc.), to a fizzled out rookie (Tua, etc.) searching for a reliable QB.

    Plus… I can’t see many established reliable QBs like Rodgers, Wilson, Ryan, etc. looking to get out of their current situation just to step into the “Patriot’s way” under an overbearing Belichick. Just ask Matt Stafford.

  18. edelmanfanclub says:
    February 10, 2021 at 10:13 am

    Ridiculous narrative. Always has and always will. Brady said it best, “He can’t do my job, and I can’t do his.” Therefore the comparison is pointless.
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    Brady was being diplomatic & classy. But the comparison isn’t ridiculous at all. Bellichick was a losing head coach before hitting the lottery and drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round in the 2000 NFL Draft. You don’t normally draft all-time great Hall of Fame franchise QBs at that spot. It was the luckiest fluke in draft history. Not saying BB isn’t a good head coach but he got a whole lot better with that fluke draft pick. Belichik was 5-11 in NE the season before he started Brady and won the Super Bowl the next season after starting Brady. BB only started Brady only after Belichick’s actual, Drew Bledsoe, was seriously injured. Just look at BB’s record before starting Brady and after Brady left. Hint-it isn’t very good.

  19. Solving the QB position won’t be easy or quick. Brady almost single handedly carried a weak offensive group for years. Cam Newton was unable to fill those shoes. There aren’t many (or any) QBs available talented enough to make the NE offense dangerous at this point.

  20. BB would have won Super Bowls with other QBs. Matt Cassel went 11-5 then went on to lead KC to the playoffs, making the Pro Bowl along the way.

    Jimmy G leads SF to the Super Bowl.

    Jacoby Brisett starts 32 games for Indy.

    BB had a hand in teaching all of these QBs.

  21. You do know Belichick got two SB rings from his DC gig with the Giants, right?
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    No, Brady get credit for that too..

  22. Look at the luxuries he has had in the latter role all these years:
    – Not having to worry about finding a franchise QB
    – Having a GOAT QB take pay cuts so that they could afford better players
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    False

    Brady never gave money back. The Patriots repeatedly converted salary owed into bonus money to free up cap space.

  23. Why do people bash Belichick as a GM as if he wasn’t the one constructing these top defenses for the past 2 decades? One year where he went 7-9 with a QB that threw 8 scores and people think he’s an awful talent evaluator. Yes he missed on Newton but he was limited due to the cap, and 7-9 with that of a passing option in a passing league is really not terrible. We don’t know how good NE WR are because Newton is not a great QB.

  24. djko says:
    February 10, 2021 at 10:28 am

    mumfio says: “Belichick didn’t become a “genius” until he started Brady”
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    You do know Belichick got two SB rings from his DC gig with the Giants, right?

    In fact, his “genius” is why his gameplan for SB XXV is actually displayed in the Pro Football Hall Of Fame.
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    He was a DEFENSIVE COACH then not a head coach (read my full statement). Belichick inherited a hall of fame super bowl ready defense when he was named the DC. He had Lawrence Taylor, arguably the greatest LB of all-time & Harry Carson, arguably the greatest run stopping LB of all-time, LB Carl Banks, LB Gary Reasons, NT Jim Burt & DE Leonard Marshall. Who wouldn’t have a Super Bowl Winning Defense with that ridiculous line up. Again my comment was about his HEAD COACHING record without Brady & it isn’t very good. Belichick may be the luckiest football coach in NFL history.

  25. So now we have the ultimate set up to the ultimate NFL storyline. Bucs vs Patriots in the Superbowl. Bill vs Tom for all the marbles. A winner take all cage match… who you got? I’d take Bill

  26. Their offensive problems extend way beyond quarterback so that is only part of what they need to solve. One of the reasons Cam never got replaced this past season is he was the best running threat on the team. Edelman is their only quality receiver and he’ll be 35 this coming season. Their tight ends aren’t very good. Their line didn’t play very well this past season.

  27. Solving the QB position won’t be easy or quick. Brady almost single handedly carried a weak offensive group for years.
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    From 2010 to 2018, they were a top 5 offense every.single.year

    Top 10 offense every year from 2004 to 2019.. 16 years in a row

    Weak offensive group? C’mon

  28. Brady leaving (and taking his cap hit with him) hurt, sure… BUT what REALLY hurt the team was the 8 Covid opt-outs (including 5-6 starters) weeks before the season kicked off. That was a huge obstacle to over come, especially on the defense.

  29. It will be interesting to see how the QB position plays out for NE. I truly believe that Belichick and the rest of the front office were aware that this last season was a reset. They needed to do some cleanup and try to reset their cap situation, so I do not believe they went all out this season, as far as possible personnel moves. We won’t know if they get it fixed right away next season, but I still wouldn’t bet against Belichick at this point.

  30. The Brady Effect is real, no matter what anyone says. How did he get to become the Tom Brady you see today? At least some percentage of it had to be getting drafted and being kept on as a 4th QB on the roster, then learning every day from one of the greatest minds in the game in Belichick. No matter what anyone says, he’s at least known to be that.

    Brady did eviscerate every challenger in front of him, and that’s credit to him. He unseated Drew Bledsoe who had been to a SB and just signed the richest QB contract in the league, and was only 29 years old. Once we saw Brady, no one in New England was clamoring to have Bledsoe step back in, and he had been the golden child in legitimizing the organization with Parcells.

    We can’t accept Jacoby Brissett or someone of that limited ability in this role. It’s too important. They have to upgrade significantly from Newton.

  31. Plus… I can’t see many established reliable QBs like Rodgers, Wilson, Ryan, etc. looking to get out of their current situation just to step into the “Patriot’s way”
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    All 3 of those guys might see Belichick giving them a better chance to win a Title, as opposed to their current situation.

    Ryan, DEFINITELY! And it would be a homecoming of sorts, having played at BC.

  32. billzbubb says:
    February 10, 2021 at 11:01 am
    Solving the QB position won’t be easy or quick. Brady almost single handedly carried a weak offensive group for years. Cam Newton was unable to fill those shoes. There aren’t many (or any) QBs available talented enough to make the NE offense dangerous at this point

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    Agree wholeheartedly. Pats fans need patience at this point as Bill will not mortgage the future on a guess. The right QB simply isn’t available right now. They will sign a placeholder. (Fitzpatrick, Mariota, Dalton) Might as well take a deep shot in the draft however. Newman or Mills would add a hint of intrigue to the offseason. Both have NFL arms.

  33. There is no question that together, they complimented each other, but to compare the jobs is apples to oranges.

    Brady is clearly the greatest QB, and he is incredible, but he also only has to worry about himself and some of the other offensive players. Belichik has to worry about 53 players.

    This year was not a good comparison to begin with since the Pats had quite a few marquee players opt out of the season, they had an emergency QB, and were in a cap nightmare because that is the position they put themselves in, and what it took to win those last three titles. I would trade one bad year for three recent titles any day. This coming year, they have $69M in cap space, fourth most.

    It also takes more time to rebuild when you lose a great QB than if you acquire one. Coach is the harder job, imo.

    Time will tell, but I would not bet against either player or coach.

  34. mumfio says:
    February 10, 2021 at 10:59 am
    edelmanfanclub says:
    February 10, 2021 at 10:13 am

    Ridiculous narrative. Always has and always will. Brady said it best, “He can’t do my job, and I can’t do his.” Therefore the comparison is pointless.
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    Brady was being diplomatic & classy. But the comparison isn’t ridiculous at all. Bellichick was a losing head coach before hitting the lottery and drafting Tom Brady in the 6th round in the 2000 NFL Draft. You don’t normally draft all-time great Hall of Fame franchise QBs at that spot. It was the luckiest fluke in draft history. Not saying BB isn’t a good head coach but he got a whole lot better with that fluke draft pick. Belichik was 5-11 in NE the season before he started Brady and won the Super Bowl the next season after starting Brady. BB only started Brady only after Belichick’s actual, Drew Bledsoe, was seriously injured. Just look at BB’s record before starting Brady and after Brady left. Hint-it isn’t very good.
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    This is such cherry picking. I can do that too.

    -Belichick was 11-5 with Cleveland the year before they moved.

    -Belichick was 11-5 in 08 with a QB that had not started a game since HS.

    -He was 3-1 the year Brady got suspended and the one loss was because Brissett’s thumb was destroyed.

    -He was 7-9 with a QB that couldn’t pass the ball in a league that favors passing and there was not an option for passing all year. The team had 7 wins and 12 passing TDs.

    Did you watch the Patriots in the 2000s? Belichick thought Brady was outperforming Bledsoe! He picked him to start the SB over Bledsoe, after Bledsoe came back to lead them over Pitt in the AFCCG. That would be like benching Matt Ryan a few seasons prior for a 2nd year QB.

    The earlier Patriots teams were built on defenses not offense and there were plenty of instances the defense bailed Brady out. Belichick did not get credit for that because they were all guys “Parcells picked.” Belichick still didn’t get credit after he won with the guys he drafted because he had such a great QB. However, earlier more often than not they won because of their defense, Brady was an important part but I don’t think people understand how great the defense was in 03 & 04. Does Belichick with without Brady? Of course not, but Brady does not win without Belichick either.

    This season does not change the past 20. They are both the best ever.

  35. What QB problem? When Brady left all the Patriots fans said he was washed up and they were still going to win the Super Bowl with Stidham while the Bucs wouldn’t even make the playoffs. How did that work out?

  36. Not saying BB isn’t a good head coach but he got a whole lot better with that fluke draft pick. Belichik was 5-11 in NE the season before he started Brady and won the Super Bowl the next season after starting Brady.

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    Bill Walsh was 2-14 and 6-10 the two years before he decided to start Montana.
    Chuck Noll was 1-13, 5-9, 6-8 before letting Bradshaw take the reigns.
    Vince Lombardi only coached one season without Bart Starr, and he went 7-5-2

    Please make a list of these great coaches that won multiple Super Bowls without great players

  37. I thought the Patriots had their answer at qb. At the start of the season I heard a lot about Cam Newton and how great he was. Did he not finish the season that great?

  38. @aarons444
    Spot on. To not credit BB with building decent to great defenses over the years, A LOT of years too, is just nonsensical. He hasn’t typically made a splash big money FA signing, only when he saw fit like with Revis or Gilmore ( A Thomas was a miss), etc…but building a team defense he has been great at. And his second half adjustments both seasonally and in game are just amazing overal.

    And as for Tom taking less money over the years, yes that narrative is true overall but credit Kraft for moving money to guaranteed bonuses paid to Tom which not all owners are willing to do in order to keep cap numbers relatively low compared to other top tier QBs. Tom’s made plenty of money

  39. I have been a Pats fans back to Bledsoe, who himself was a very good QB but an injury opened the door for Brady. Always thought Belichick was a great coach but a horrible person. The stars that he tossed aside after them giving all they had is a very long list indeed. BB also cost Pats some very important games. eg Against the Broncos when Manning won a SB and BB went for 4th and short 4 times as opposed to trying a field goal. Those field goals would have won the game, admittedly a couple were long but we had one of the best kickers in the league. No question his coaching won many games as well.Fast forward and now BB cannot find a field goal kicker, a QB(Cam is nothing more than a primadonna),dependable recievers. He is solely responsible for the decline of the Pats over last two years, the leaving of Brady and Gronk and Robert Kraft allowed it to happen. It saddens me but I now have two teams to cheer for. Go Bucs Go!!!

  40. I said for years – Kraft should remove BB from the Draft.

    Great HC but terrible GM.

    Brady elevated everyone around him – which was, once again, proven by the TampaBay Players and SBLV.

    Patriots Draft Day was like torture as BB would just waste high round pics 5th round players.
    Don’t give me that BS on how BB drafted Brady in the 6th. BB didn’t want Brady and the coaching staff begged BB to draft him. Because it was just a 6th Round Pic BB took him at the urging of others.

  41. aarons444 says:
    February 10, 2021 at 10:45 am
    The main reason for NE’s success should have been obvious long before Tampa won the Super Bowl.
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    Belichicks defense has been top 10 each of the last 9 years. Pretty impressive this year, paired with an inept offense. Usually those units get boatraced.

    In the Brady-era, there have only been 2 seasons the D finished in the bottom half of the League. You have to go all the way back to 2005 to find them.

    Top 5 defense 8 times, #1 3 times, #2 twice
    Top 10 defense 17 of 20 seasons

    You would have me believe that isn’t remarkable?

    There are great defensive coaches in this League, and teams that pride themselves on playing great defense (Baltimore, Pittsburgh) They haven’t been remotely close to having this type of success.
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    It was easy for New England to have a good defense during those Brady years because Brady helped keep the the defense well rested and off the field during long sustained drives. All defenses benefit when their QB can minimize short 3 and out drives. Some props should always go to an offense that can sustain long time-consuming drives which contribute to a well rested defense. I’m sure the Bucs defensive players can testify to that during their post-season run. The Bucs scored on nearly every possession in the Super Bowl, and those long drives definitely helped the defense. Just another reason Brady deserved the MVP.

  42. edelmanfanclub says:
    February 10, 2021 at 11:38 am
    This is such cherry picking. I can do that too.

    -Belichick was 11-5 with Cleveland the year before they moved.

    -Belichick was 11-5 in 08 with a QB that had not started a game since HS.

    -He was 3-1 the year Brady got suspended and the one loss was because Brissett’s thumb was destroyed.

    -He was 7-9 with a QB that couldn’t pass the ball in a league that favors passing and there was not an option for passing all year. The team had 7 wins and 12 passing TDs.

    Did you watch the Patriots in the 2000s? Belichick thought Brady was outperforming Bledsoe! He picked him to start the SB over Bledsoe, after Bledsoe came back to lead them over Pitt in the AFCCG. That would be like benching Matt Ryan a few seasons prior for a 2nd year QB.

    The earlier Patriots teams were built on defenses not offense and there were plenty of instances the defense bailed Brady out. Belichick did not get credit for that because they were all guys “Parcells picked.” Belichick still didn’t get credit after he won with the guys he drafted because he had such a great QB. However, earlier more often than not they won because of their defense, Brady was an important part but I don’t think people understand how great the defense was in 03 & 04. Does Belichick with without Brady? Of course not, but Brady does not win without Belichick either.

    This season does not change the past 20. They are both the best ever.
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    I didn’t cherry pick at all, I stated the facts. Was Belicheck not a losing head coach before starting Tom Brady? Brady who was a fluke 6th round pick that Belicheck lucked into in the 6th round of the 2000 NFL draft? If Belicheck is such a genius, why not draft him in the 1st round so no one else can? It’s because it was a fluke, 6th rounders aren’t drafted to be franchise QB’s, they are picked to be a body in camp. You’re cherry picking is flat out ridiculous though. Showing that one season Belicheck got Cleveland to 11-5 & ignore that he had a losing record in his other 4 seasons due to benching Vinny Testaverde (3rd highest rated QB in the AFC at the time) for 5ft nothing Eric Zier. I’m not saying BB is a bad head coach but his record last season with NE is inline with his record before he started Brady.

  43. They’ll be fine. Belichick’s main thing he’ll be worried about is his defense. It stunk in the second half of the year. The season before, it wasn’t as good as the first half, but this last year, it outright stunk. Also, Newton will be back there is my guess unless something like a Watson or Wilson trade happens, which is between slim and none. I think he got tired of bickering with Brady about not spending heavily on the offense. Belichick is never going to do so.

  44. This is the best argument I can give. Belichick would not have more than half the rings he does today without Brady. Being a defensive coordinator is far different from being a head coach. Just look at Todd Bowles and Matt Patricia. Contrary to popular belief, Belichick had great defenses on the Patriots in the early 2000’s and at the end of the 2010’s because Brady took less money, he was cheap on supplying offensive weapons, and no, there were multiple seasons when Brady was the one carrying the load. Need I mention the fact that his defense allowed 29 points against the Carolina Panthers in Super Bowl XXXVIII, 41 points against the Philadelphia Eagles, 35 points against the Ravens in that 2014 divisional round game, 28 points against the Texans in that other divisional round game, 40 points against the Chiefs in that one regular season game, 31 points in that 2018 AFC championship game, and his defense was ranked 31st in total yards allowed in the 2011 season.

    Look at his offensive line play in 2013 and 2015. That team does not sniff the AFC championship in either season without Brady. He was knocked down 23 times against the Broncos in that conference championship game against Denver in the 2015 season alone. While his scoring defense was ranked 4th in 2007, that team does not win 18 consecutive games without their top scoring offense. The defense was overrated. Try getting back to a super bowl without a top ranked offense. It’s difficult. Belichick already knows this. Defenses will win you the championship once you’re there, but the defense can only do so much to get you there in the first place. Look at how Brady’s defense on the Bucs played against the Chargers, Falcons, or Redskins in the wild card round. On the flip side, as for how Brady will finish without Belichick, we just don’t know right now. If the Buccaneers win back to back super bowls, that will officially close this discussion once and for all.

  45. Brady willingly gave Brady the freedom to chose where he wanted to be. He didn’t try to get compensation that would have limited Tom’s options. He did that a year before Tom left.

    He willingly let Gronk come out of retirement and negotiated a 4th rounder for compensation.

    He released Antonio Brown not just for what he was accused of but for not disclosing the issue and hiding it from the team.

    Belichick drafted, developed and instilled in Brady and Gronk, as with most Patriots players, a team first attitude. I think we all remember the Patriots coming out for their first super bowl against the Rams as a “team”, not highlighting the “stars” like St. Louis.

    Brady is the GOAT for what he did as a Patriot and this year was additional confirmation.

    Belichick’s winning super bowl teams emphasized defense, ball control, winning the turnover and penalty differential. They moved the chains. They had a big back that was especially effective in the 4th quarter. Amazingly, Bill won without wideouts who were stars. The Atlanta game was an exception to the above.

    Licht and Arians basically copied Belichick’s homework. Brought in Belichick’s guys and gameplan. Even the star wideouts where an afterthought. Fournette was Antwon Smith, Corey Dillion and LaGarrette Blount. Tom was Tom. Gronk was Gronk. The defense didn’t blitz, mixed it up to make it preread and played better than expected. Team first attitude.

    Belichick has nothing to prove. He’s the gold standard. He was for 19 years and a carbon copy doesn’t change that reality.

  46. “You do know Belichick got two SB rings from his DC gig with the Giants, right?”

    How many rings does Matt Patricia have?

    He’s not a genius, the coming years will bear that out. The longer he goes without a Bradyless ring, the more he’s gonna panic and make even dumber decisions. There’s a lot of checkers in his future, guys.

  47. The whole Brady versus Belichick argument is stupid and those that partake in it know absolutely nothing about football. Brady was a 6th round draft pick who learned all he knows about football from Belichick. In Belichick’s mind there is no quarterback he would rather have than Tom Brady and he certainly would not have won 6 SB without Brady. They BOTH NEEDED EACH OTHER. Same as Montana and Walsh needed each other same with Bradshaw and Knoll Same with Lombardi and Starr. Johnson and Aikmann too.

    To create a dynasty in the NFL You need a GREAT HEAD COACH and a GREAT QB.
    Anyone who says different does not understand the game or history.

    BOTH Belichick and Brady are the GOAT at what they do. Deal with it.

  48. And as for Tom taking less money over the years, yes that narrative is true overall but credit Kraft for moving money to guaranteed bonuses paid to Tom which not all owners are willing to do in order to keep cap numbers relatively low compared to other top tier QBs. Tom’s made plenty of money
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    Credit to Brady for not having to be the guy that constantly wanted to set the QB $$ market. And no doubt the Pats benefited tremendously for that.

    I think the cap is grossly overestimated though, overall.

    Teams forecast this YEARS in advance. They know who they are going to lose, they know who they intend to keep. There are very few variables.

    Good organizations know how to navigate those waters. The bad ones don’t. Nobody has done it as well as the Pats the last 20 years.

  49. I’m not saying BB is a bad head coach but his record last season with NE is inline with his record before he started Brady.
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    Are we going to ignore that Belichick overhauled the Browns organization, and the fact that they one a Super Bowl in short order after they moved to Baltimore?

  50. itsamadmadmadmadworld says:
    February 10, 2021 at 11:39 am
    What QB problem? When Brady left all the Patriots fans said he was washed up and they were still going to win the Super Bowl with Stidham while the Bucs wouldn’t even make the playoffs. How did that work out?

    WRONG, no Patriots fans thought Brady was “washed up”
    In fact it was just the opposite it was the Patriots/Brady CRYBABIES that said that.

    Go look at all the comments in the off-season when he signed with TB
    Oh and they were just like you, WRONG..

    “He’s to old”
    “ he won’t do good in AB system “
    “It will be like Mays going to the Mets”
    “He won’t make it the season”
    “They won’t make the playoffs “
    “If they do one and done “
    “He can’t throw deep”

    Did I leave any out ?

  51. All of the post-SB hype needs a little perspective: Every QB or coach/GM who wins a SB owes a good bit of credit to each other. They accomplished that together through a joint effort. Brady is a great QB, Belichick is a great coach/GM and together they won several SBs. Apart they might have been matched with lesser QBs and coaches/GMs and never won a single SB [which does not mean that BB won’t find a QB and win a SB with him]. Oh, and btw, Brady did not carry the Bucs to the SB all by himself, that roster is loaded with talent.

  52. Belichick is easily the gold standard of coaching excellence. To debate this with people who says otherwise is a fool’s errand. It’s like Max Kellerman still using that Brady will fall off a cliff shtick. Nobody believes it, including himself. But it gets people flustered, and increases his visibility.

  53. Oh, and btw, Brady did not carry the Bucs to the SB all by himself, that roster is loaded with talent.
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    It was all Brady.

    He’s the new Ditka.

  54. They will roll with Stidham and draft Mac Jones or Kyle Trask then let them compete for the starting job.

  55. The fact that nobody on the Patriots, Bill included, has said anything negative about the Bucs, Tom, or Arians, tells you an awful lot about the culture of the different organizations.

  56. So much for plugging in any QB to the ‘system’ – Brady WAS the system. As a head coach, Bill was sub – .500 pre-Brady and is now sub-.500 post Brady…speaks for itself as Brady at 43 in his FIRST season with a NEW team at 43 and easily winning the super bowl! BB should give his pathetic boat with the ring count on the back to the guy who actually earned those rings in SPITE of working with a LOSING head coach….uh, that would be BRADY. Case closed.

  57. tigerlilac says:
    February 10, 2021 at 12:08 pm
    Belichick has nothing to prove. He’s the gold standard. He was for 19 years and a carbon copy doesn’t change that reality.
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    Incorrect – Brady carried Bill for those 19 years and the FACT that he took Tampa to a dominant win while Bill reverted back to the losing head coach he was pre-Brady speaks for itself. Any elite coach, like the Tuna etc. would have at least had a winning record with Cam (Super Bowl QB). He has nothing to prove because it’s already been proven, and he’ll continue with a sub-.500 record moving forward. You have nothing to debate here.

  58. Patriots haters are pathological. Brady wasn’t free of their inane assessments of his career until he left and they could do a 180 and point to his post-Patriots success and now claim it wasn’t the Patriots or Belichick, it was Tom.

    If it was Belichick that left and won in 202012021, and McDaniels and Brady didn’t win with the Patriots, the haters would be telling us it was all Belichick.

    All the rationalizations won’t strip the Patriots of their two decades of dominance. It won’t keep Belichick from a first year HOF induction.

    The Patriots may or may not have a winning record, make the playoffs, and play in another super bowl in their rebuild but I wouldn’t bet against them.

  59. aarons444 says:
    February 10, 2021 at 10:45 am

    Belichicks defense has been top 10 each of the last 9 years. Pretty impressive this year, paired with an inept offense. Usually those units get boatraced.

    In the Brady-era, there have only been 2 seasons the D finished in the bottom half of the League. You have to go all the way back to 2005 to find them.

    Top 5 defense 8 times, #1 3 times, #2 twice
    Top 10 defense 17 of 20 seasons

    You would have me believe that isn’t remarkable?

    There are great defensive coaches in this League, and teams that pride themselves on playing great defense (Baltimore, Pittsburgh) They haven’t been remotely close to having this type of success.

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    Anybody can rebuild a good D after the star defenders they inherited got old, when they use 7 of 8 first round picks on it (2007-2015). Even Bill. Then he followed that up with around a half dozen pathetic drafts to get us where we are today. And managed to lose the GOAT while he was at it.

    The truth is that the Pats D over BB’s tenure averaged about 15th in DVOA.

    Lately, he’s lengthened his career record without Brady to one playoff berth in 8 seasons as HC. He made the playoffs 17 times in 18 years with Brady starting.

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