Eagles get value for a bad Carson Wentz contract

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The Eagles made a series of mistakes with Carson Wentz. They ultimately avoided another mistake by cutting their losses when they could.

Wentz wanted out, and the Eagles didn’t want to force him to stay. So they found a way to unload a bad contract that pays out more than $40 million guaranteed over the next two years. Unlike other teams that have had to dump bad quarterback contracts, the Eagles picked up draft assets.

A third-round pick in 2021 and a second-rounder in 2022 that can become a first-rounder is hardly a Herschel Walker package. But it’s far better than giving up a second-round pick to unload Brock Osweiler (like the Texans did in 2017) or a first-round pick to dump Jared Goff (like some think the Rams will do, as a practical matter, in 2021).

The Colts always were the only team that made sense. They need a quarterback, badly. They have a head coach who knows Wentz well. If anyone can get Wentz back to who he was in 2017, it’s Frank Reich.

The Eagles could have gotten more if even one more team had real interest in Wentz. But no one did, in large part because Wentz likely was locked onto the notion of a reunion with Reich.

So now the Eagles can turn the page on trading up to draft Wentz and picking Wentz over Nick Foles and paying Wentz, moving on with a new coach and a new quarterback. The question becomes whether they’ll add another quarterback with Jalen Hurts, whether through the draft or otherwise. Maybe Nick Foles will still return for a third stint with the team.

Regardless, the Eagles found a way to turn a negative into a positive. Where it goes from here remains to be seen. On one hand, the Eagles have every reason to root for the Colts to do well, since that could upgrade the 2022 pick to a first-rounder. On the other hand, the Eagles have every reason to root for Wentz to show that last year’s regression wasn’t an aberration.

95 responses to “Eagles get value for a bad Carson Wentz contract

  1. The Browns ended up with Jordan Elliott, Odell Beckham Jr., and Denzel Ward for Wentz fwiw

  2. This is quite a positive spin. And why not? Its time to appreciate the value of everything in our lives 🙂

  3. “A second rounder they could become a first rounder” is such weasel terminology so Howie can pretend he got a first rounder for him.

  4. Not saying that Wentz is as good as Stafford, although Wentz was great in his rookie year & pretty good last year but makes me think this shows that Rams gave up too much for Stafford.

  5. Well, we will see the Eagles got fleeced when the Colts win the Super Bowl and the Eagles are once again drafting in the top 6 for another year. Congrats to Carson Wentz on escaping the sinking garbage barge that the Philadelphia Eagles have become. He deserves a better place with an actual GM not a glorified accountant making decisions.

  6. In the Osweiler and Goff deals the GM & HC wanted them gone. BOB hated Oz and McVay was tired of Goff. In this case I think Reich actually put in a good word for Wentz. Still I am surprised they got what they did because of bad of a deal Wentz has at the moment. It really makes the Rams deal look terrible. Goff played in a SB, they probably could have gotten a close return to Wentz but really wanted him gone so they threw in a 1st to Lions. Or you can look at it like 1st/1st/3rd for Stafford and Goff thrown in, in which case it looks worse.

  7. My biggest concern is Wentz’ health. The Colts at one time had the greatest QB in the history of The IR list in Andrew Luck. Every year it was “If Luck can stay healthy” but that rarely happened. This is still that same team. Yes they added some over achieving offensive line pieces but that only rose their status from awful to passible. Not the most encouraging situation for an often injured QB like Wentz. Hope that fourth round QB the Colts picked up last year gets his throwing arm ready.

  8. The fact that they got ANYTHING for him at all is a wonder. As an Eagles fan, I’m glad he’s gone. Not because I thought he was a terrible human or even terrible player, but just because of all the drama around it. Now they can move forward with Hurts and see if he’s the answer or not.

  9. The word was that Wentz wasn’t liked or respected much by the guys he was supposed to lead.
    If he doesn’t work on that, he’s going to be headed down the same path in Indy.

  10. doyoueveractuallythink says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:27 pm
    The Browns ended up with Jordan Elliott, Odell Beckham Jr., and Denzel Ward for Wentz fwiw
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    …..and Nick Chubb with the 2nd round pick they got to absorb Brock Osweiler.

  11. Philly is still in a raging cap hell for years so they will need all the draft capital they can get for their long rebuild.

  12. Reich is a good Coach who looks at what a player does well and builds his system around the players strengths. Doug Peterson and some other Coaches (Adam Gase, Rex Ryan) have their system and it should work regardless of who their personnel is because their systems are Genius. Philly has a New Start and so does Wentz. Best of Luck to both.

  13. If the reports of him being uncoachable and arrogant are true, then I am glad the Eagles moved on from him. It’s a sad ending for his Eagles career as i believe he had all the talent in the world, he just couldn’t handle the mental part of it.

    One thing i read about him and Reich was they had a bond over religion which allowed Reich to reach him when others couldn’t. If that’s what it takes to get him to listen to coaching, he was never going to return to his 2017 form as an Eagle.

    It is damning that they fired the head coach to make him happy and then still traded him for peanuts.

  14. A third rounder this year and a second that will likely become a first next year for a backup QB? That’s a win for the Eagles.

  15. rkt4mayor says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:31 pm
    Well, we will see the Eagles got fleeced when the Colts win the Super Bowl and the Eagles are once again drafting in the top 6 for another year. Congrats to Carson Wentz on escaping the sinking garbage barge that the Philadelphia Eagles have become. He deserves a better place with an actual GM not a glorified accountant making decisions.

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    Project much? Regardless of what Wentz does with the Colts, he didn’t want to be in Philly or listen to the coaches. Carson does not make the Colts the favorite to even make the Superbowl.

    It’s interesting that Frank Reich’s right hand man, the new Eagles head coach, couldn’t change Wentz’s mind. The Eagles need to rebuild this year and had to shed $50 mill to get under the cap, so this was probably for the best.

  16. cowboys1993 says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:29 pm

    Dak,Goff or Wentz who would you rather have?

    ……………………….

    So , you’re counting chickens now ?

  17. Certainly not Dak at what Dallas is about to pay for him.

    cowboys1993 says:
    Dak,Goff or Wentz who would you rather have?

  18. rohanz2000 says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:34 pm
    The Eagles think Jalen Hurts is the answer?

    —-

    Perhaps not. But they at least acknowledged that Carson Wentz was NOT the answer.

  19. Why did the Colts give up two premium picks when they were the only bidder? Seems like they could have offered the Eagles their 2022 1st conditional on Colts winning the SB. If not then nothing. Nobody else wanted that contract, and the Eagles could not bring Wentz back to sit behind Hurts another year.

  20. You know, if any team is going to make Wentz into anything close to a MVP, it’ll be the Colts. They have a stellar defense that will not put him in very many bad scenarios. Great young backfield to hand the ball off to. They have a big, young up and coming WR in Michael Pittman Jr. He’s going to a comfy situation, and I think the team atmosphere and culture will embrace him and repair the fractured ego we saw down in Philly.

    I honestly think this trade is going to work out very well for Indy.

  21. Dilly Dilly there goes Philly! Have fun with weak arm Hurts. We’ll see you in 3+ years when you might be relevant.

  22. This is a cautionary tale for Dallas. I like Dak but I don’t love Dak. Why not shop him to Miami in exchange for Tua and a conditional first round pick? Miami gets a borderline Prow Bowl starter who fits what Brian Flores is looking for in mistake-free quarterback play. Dallas gets the cap relief, a likely late first round pick to build up the poor offensive and defensive line play as well as a young QB with “star” potential and better arm talent than Dak . Otherwise, Dallas will make the mistakes made with Goff and Wentz and will ultimately regret tying their long term prospects to Dak who had not proven that he can lead a team to the Super Bowl. Beware.

  23. “So now the Eagles can turn the page on trading up to draft Wentz and picking Wentz over Nick Foles and paying Wentz, moving on with a new coach and a new quarterback.”

    Interesting.

    It’s as if there’s a major Front Office performance issue in Philly, eh, Mr. Lurie?

  24. This is a steal for Indy because Indy has absolutely everything in place for Wentz to succeed. Great o-line, Great running game, Head Coach that will fix him, great defense. Solid WR.

  25. Posters who said Phila would have to give Colts a draft pick to unload him looking pretty stupid right now.

  26. This spin leaves out that the Eagles had committed to Wentz and having to change franchise plans in short order causes major negative disruption, that Wentz is not necessarily toast yet and thus not a negative asset like an Osweiler, that the Colts now have the option to hold on to Wentz for four seasons at a bargain cap price of less than $25M a year if he rebounds, and that the Eagles are eating a whopping $33M in dead cap space this year, when the cap is expected to take a hit due to the pandemic and when they already were way in the hole.

    The Eagles didn’t turn a negative into a positive – they did the best they could in a bad situation. It’s still a VERY negative outcome, just a bit less negative than it could have been. But Wentz still had trade value given his prior performance and lower cap price that would come with him in a trade…the Eagles got some value for him because he’s worth some value.

  27. Honest opinion: I’ve always thought Wentz was overrated, but I also think there’s not a huge amount of fall-off from Phillip Rivers to Wentz. I’ve seen Rivers play live, and he never rose to the occasion in the big moments. To this point, I would have to say the same thing about Wentz.

    I hope the Colts and Wentz prove me wrong.

  28. wentz was statistically the worst qb in the last year. became uncoachable , wish him th ebest in Indy but i think hes done , heaadcase now

    jrterrier5 says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:30 pm
    Not saying that Wentz is as good as Stafford, although Wentz was great in his rookie year & pretty good last year but makes me think this shows that Rams gave up too much for Stafford.

  29. The colts ripped the birds off and hopefully will in the long run cost Roseman his job. Wentz didn’t lose his talent Howie left no talent around him.

  30. so soon you forget,

    The defense was dominant, holding the dynamic Vikings to a sole, first-quarter score. Foles had the game of his life, throwing for 352 yards and three touchdowns in a 38-7 Eagles rout of the Vikings. Eagles win super bowl 41-33 over the Patriots in Minneapolis 🙂

    skolvikings2017 says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:55 pm
    Dilly Dilly there goes Philly! Have fun with weak arm Hurts. We’ll see you in 3+ years when you might be relevant.

  31. You just knew Wentz was gone the second Philadelphia brought in Systems. Now I don’t know who this Systems guy is or what position he plays, but if you listened to the new Philly coach, this Systems guy is pretty good. And smart too!

  32. Philly is rudderless.

    Its not so much any 1 decision. Its the string of decisions that are indefensible.

    1) Trading up for Wentz
    2) Then Wentz injured, Foles wins Superbowl
    3) Trading away Foles
    4) Extending Wentz when he hadn’t proven it
    5) Drafting Hurtz, jacking up any confidence Wentz had
    6) Not starting Hurtz over wentz sooner
    7) then starting Hurtz at all in 2020
    8) Pretending you were still married to Wentz
    9) Firing your HC
    10) trading Wentz

    Its the order of that sequence thats ridiculous. each bad decision beget by the prior bad decision. Just a perfect cascade of bad decisions.

    Now, this is a good trading for Philly in a vaccuum by itself. The best they could do, given teh circumstances. But if for any reason Philly gets the 1st, it probably means Wentz is good again? Which I wont bet on, but its not impossible.

    End game, like someone said above, dark days coming for Philly IMO. Their ownership and management looks fraudulent IMO.

  33. Goff and Wentz contracts were not similar in dead cap. This way, Wentz leaves dead money for this year in Philly, and his contract is easily dropped in 2022. So one year for Wentz, if he’s legit, they got him for 2 more years. If he’s not, they can get out of that contract after this year

  34. Indy held firm and got a lottery ticket for a reasonable price. If he can get back to where he was even two years ago (forget 2017), you park him behind Quentin Nelson and with that protection he can be a pretty decent quarterback (not elite mind you, but good enough to win if the pieces around him perform). If not they cut him next offseason and absorb a manageable cap hit. But they needed to do something because they have no one else at QB and don’t have the assets to go after Watson or Russ.

  35. I am okay with this as long as he grows and moves forward. Still need a solid backup. Why not just wait it out? Nobody else was going to jump for him.

  36. Win-Win-Win situation.. Congratulations to the Colts and Wentz. When he is on, Wentz is a baller, much like Luck. The ceiling is still high.
    with Reich and Wentz, Colts fans, this can be exciting.
    Eagles fans, this is a rebuild and reload. The cap situation was mostly a Wentz payoff and post SB payoff spree. Those contracts are mostly done after this year. Looks like the Eagles will have the picks to help reload. New coach, new QB, new system, also exciting in Philly.
    Wouldn’t it be cool to see a head to head battle in the SB in a couple of years?

  37. All of the complaining and whining (Especially from Iggles “Fans”). They aren’t even getting to the Super Bowl without Wentz. Yes, I know, Foles had an amazing postseason run, But Wentz was 11-2 as their starter and was lights out. Eagles don’t get home field and don’t get to the big game without him. Amazing how quick “Fans” forget. Especially fans a of a team that hadn’t won ANYTHING since 1960… Get over it….

  38. So let me get this straight. They fired Pederson in favor of Wentz and then had 0 snaps with him?

    What are they doing over there?

  39. But it’s far better than giving up a second-round pick to unload Brock Osweiler (like the Texans did in 2017) or a first-round pick to dump Jared Goff (like some think the Rams will do, as a practical matter, in 2021).
    ————–
    Ummm what?? Recycle much? But yes if the Rams have to give up more picks to unload someone who’s already gone they really got screwed 🤣🤣🤣

  40. if indy makes the playoffs-which they probably will- their first round draft pick will be at best about 17. that’s really high second in most cases anyways. other than the contract going forward-it sounds like a win for the colts.

  41. Now we will see what Wentz really can do. Nobody really got fleeced in this deal. Only time will tell on this transaction.

  42. Wentz was at least above average up until 2020. Then his mechanics fell apart and maybe the rest of the team wasn’t so good either.

    The Colts need a staring QB and if they can get Wentz back to average (or a bit better) then they have done well. They aren’t paying him crazy money, and have him under contract for 4 years, so it could work out well for them.

    It’s possible he continues to stink, then its a bad move for them. But there is so much upside and the downside is a 2nd and 3rd and some cap money which they do have.

  43. The Eagles better draft or sign some lineman to protect Hurts or they will suck hard. Hurts looked like and played like a wounded deer in the headlights last year. I don’t expect him to play any better behind the matadors on the OL. Ole.

  44. colts are between a rock and a hard place. the trade makes sense given the context of the situation but you never feel great about a trade like this. were gonna look back on this as the beginning of the end for ballard

    calling it now wentz gets injured week 3 on a blindside hit and thats a wrap.

  45. I would’ve talked to Detroit about Goff and likely paid less.

    The money is overblown as that’s almost the going rate for above average anyway.

    Bears dodged one. Instead of trading for Wentz they should’ve been looking to trade Mack. They should talk to Buffalo about that. Chicago needs assets. Not only do they not have a QB, they couldn’t protect him if they did. Let alone provide adequate skill talent.

    Unless Detroit hands them Jared Goff, doesn’t appear much else is in the cards for Chicago, outside a trade up for a different North Dakota State QB.

  46. $40M over 2 years is $20M which is kind of nothing now for a QB in the NFL, most of his cap hit issues are tied up in his signing bonus which Philly has already paid and stays on their cap. For Indy he’s only really guaranteed $25M, with a $15M base salary and $10M roster bonus this year, and then they could cut him for $0 in cap hits anytime after 2021. Financially it’s a good deal for Indy now, so worth the gamble if he can regain his 2017 and 2018 form with his ex-OC and a better roster around him.

  47. Manning,Luck,Rivers,Wentz. The Colts have really been fortunate with QBs failing in their lap

  48. Indy had NO ONE at QB on a team that is ready to contend for playoffs NOW ! Bad contract or not, Indy got an absolute steal. First off if you don’t think you can fix Wentz, or if you think he is going to play like last year then you would not give up a 7th rounder for him. Wentz is 28 years old. Let’s hope he has learned from last year. If he stays healthy and that is a big IF, then I predict Indy goes to AFC championship.

  49. Leadership in a QB is under-rated. Brady excels at it. It’s not just getting guys to play as a team, it makes them own their contribution to winning and attracts talent.

    Reading what LeSean McCoy said about Brady playing another 5 years because he works so hard was impressive. Think about the prima-donnas that Brady turned into team players, like Randy Moss, and now McCoy and Fournette.

  50. cowboys1993 says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:29 pm

    Dak,Goff or Wentz who would you rather have?
    —-
    That’s a stumper. Would I rather have a genuinely good quarterback or one of two guys who looked good for the couple years where their OCs’ offenses were the hot new thing and then reverted to being godawful once defenses adjusted? Hmmm…

  51. Meh. Wentz goes from a team that gave up 65 sacks, to a team that gave up 19 sacks, so he’s the true winner here. I’d wager he will look far better behind that line, reunited with Reich. Btw, the contract isn’t bad at all, especially if Wentz even remotely rebounds.

  52. Bears lucked out.
    THey keep Foles, who was injured last season, but now has a year of experience in the Nagy Nuances…
    By not giving up any Draft Capital in a bad trade for Wentz, they can Draft a OT and a QB.

  53. I think Wentz’s success their Super Bowl season (33 TDs in 13 games) may well have been more to do with Frank Reich than Doug Pederson, given how Wentz regressed after Reich left.

    If that is so, Wentz is now in the right place.

  54. Lurie has to be miserable at the moment. He fired Penderson because he felt Carson was done, then Carson wanted out any way, and they only got mild compensation for a QB in his prime years.

  55. doyoueveractuallythink says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:27 pm
    The Browns ended up with Jordan Elliott, Odell Beckham Jr., and Denzel Ward for Wentz fwiw
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    How’d beckham end up in there? The picks the browns got from philly were for the 2016 draft, 1st rounder in 2017 and 2nd rounder in 2018. Browns traded for beckham in 2019.

  56. “So now the Eagles can turn the page on trading up to draft Wentz and picking Wentz over Nick Foles and paying Wentz, moving on with a new coach and a new quarterback.”

    I’m not so sure they can, or ever will. Only winning another SB will do that. Otherwise, they will always be the team who won a SB only to dump the QB who won the regular season for them, the Super Bowl MVP QB who killed it in the playoffs and big game, and the coach whose approach played a key part in winning it, all within 3 years of winning the SB.

    That’s going to be hard to turn the page on.

  57. People are sleeping on Hurts, but I was really impressed with what I saw from him. He has some phenomenal physical tools and, as a rookie without a real offseason in a pandemic year, he played smarter ball than Wentz.

    It was time for the Eagles to move on, and I’m excited to see what Hurts can do in Year 2 with a full offseason to prepare as the starter. Even if he’s not the guy, I’m certain Wentz wasn’t either.

  58. The structure of the deal lets the Eagles save face to some degree. If Wentz stinks it up next year, then the team looks good, having rightfully rid itself of the under performing QB. If he plays well, then the compensation escalates to a first round pick. A one and a three is not a bad deal to unload that contract.

  59. How’d beckham end up in there? The picks the browns got from philly were for the 2016 draft, 1st rounder in 2017 and 2nd rounder in 2018. Browns traded for beckham in 2019.

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    Browns traded the 2017 eagles 12th overall pick to Houston for pick 25 Jabrill Peppers and 2018 4th overall pick Denzel Ward.
    OBJ got trade for peppers, a first, and a third which was obtained through a series of other trades branching from the original wentz trade.

  60. It’ll be interesting to watch next season when the Colts bench him to avoid having that second rounder become a first. Wentz is not good at all, and this was a bad move by the Colts. The guy was worth a fifth rounder at best.

  61. Trubisky to the Colts and we have a QB competition in camp. The battle of the have-nots and the never-weres.

  62. We’ll see how this turns out for both teams. The thing that hurts the most is that the Eagles gave up Doug Pederson for Wentz. And yet Wentz still left.

  63. PFT loves the Steelers says:
    February 18, 2021 at 2:08 pm
    Meh. Wentz goes from a team that gave up 65 sacks, to a team that gave up 19 sacks, so he’s the true winner here. I’d wager he will look far better behind that line, reunited with Reich. Btw, the contract isn’t bad at all, especially if Wentz even remotely rebounds.
    _________

    Just imagine if the Eagles suddenly had a better o-line this year, what Wentz would look like. Maybe no-names like Brandon Brooks and Lane Johnson will play better than the Eagles starters did this season.

  64. @fordbw says:
    February 18, 2021 at 1:34 pm
    Q: Where did Carson go?
    A: He Wentz to the Colts
    ========================================
    You waited 3 weeks to share that tired joke! It’s ok, with all the bad weather we need a laugh, even at a not very funny joke.

  65. Eagles got FLEECED with that deal.
    Wentz will bring Colts to the playoffs easily.
    Philly is nuts

  66. Eagles are paying Wentz 32 million dollars in dead money not to play for them in 2021. Yeah they got value.😂😂

  67. Colts are getting a starting QB at around 22 mil a year while the Eagles are eating a 30+ mil dead cap hit. This is a debacle for the Eagles and its Howie Roseman’s doing.

  68. Glad the Bears did not get Wentz- not because he would have been bad but because Pace would have given up capital that the next GM/HC combo would need to lead the rebuild in 2022….

  69. joetoronto says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:30 pm
    “A second rounder they could become a first rounder” is such weasel terminology so Howie can pretend he got a first rounder for him.

    ———-

    No. It’s a second rounder that becomes a first rounder if he plays 75% of snaps in 2021. So…it’s actually a second rounder that could become a first rounder.

    Check yourself.

  70. FWIW eagles won a super bowl after that trade and the browns not so much.

    doyoueveractuallythink says:
    February 18, 2021 at 12:27 pm
    The Browns ended up with Jordan Elliott, Odell Beckham Jr., and Denzel Ward for Wentz fwiw

  71. Always fun to watch attitudes change. This article points out Wentz was on a bad contract but I still recall all the articles imploring the Eagles to get him signed to that big extension regardless of cost because he was the next big thing and it’d be bad form to make him play out his original rookie deal.

  72. soooo… The Lions were given an EXTRA 1st rounder to take Goff and Indy Paid 2 draft picks to get Wentz? Does that mean the Lions did something right?

  73. What’s partially lost in this discussion (not by everybody) is that the Eagles spent 5 picks to move up to number 2 to take Wentz. That’s 5 potential young players not on their roster that they gave up for a guy they just traded, and fired their HC for.

    I find it all pretty baffling how it all turned out. If Wentz *had to go* why not keep Pederson?

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