Report: Russell Wilson “stormed out” after his ideas for fixing Seattle’s offense were dismissed

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Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson publicly said what he needed to say in the days after the Super Bowl. Someone has been speaking privately since then, and it has culminated in a lengthy item from TheAthletic.com that takes the closest look yet and the fractures and fissures in a relationship that currently seems to have a shelf life far closer to bread than bricks.

The article looks closely at the tension between Wilson and the coaching staff regarding Wilson’s desire to essentially be the offense, like Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City. That motivation drove the #LetRussCook phenomenon early in the season. But coach Pete Carroll freaked out after a turnover-fest against the Bills (four from Wilson) and another subpar performance against the Rams (three more Wilson turnovers).

After those seven turnovers from Wilson in two games, the Seahawks faced a short-week challenge against a Cardinals team that had a two-game winning streak against Seattle, and that was riding a wave of euphoria after the Hail Murray win over the Bills.

Here’s what happened next, via the story in TheAthletic.com: “Before the Thursday night game against Arizona, Wilson met with his coaches. For some time, Wilson has sought — even pushed — for influence within the organization regarding scheme and personnel. In the meeting, he outlined his own ideas for how to fix the offense. His suggestions were dismissed, multiple sources told The Athletic  — another reminder to Wilson that the Seahawks did not see him the same way he saw himself, as a player who had earned greater control over his situation, his future, his legacy. He stormed out of the room.”

It takes no magnifying glass or other Sherlockian investigative tools to conclude that this nugget comes from the Seahawks, who finally are pushing back against the notion that Wilson’s skillset justifies more power and control.

Consider this quote in the story, from an unnamed source who surely isn’t connected to Wilson: “He’s finally catching heat. That’s the main reason for all of this. . . . People are talking and holding him accountable because he’s one of the highest-paid quarterbacks, he says he wants to be the greatest, so now people are holding him to that standard. . . . It’s a PR game. He’s trying to protect himself.”

It’s unclear whether the unnamed source is a Seahawks source. If it is, it suggests that the Seahawks should indeed try to finagle a major trade package from a team who views Wilson the way Wilson views Wilson. If it is, it also suggests that the Seahawks should be more discreet about their true feelings, since if that’s how they regard Wilson then maybe a huge trade offer isn’t justified.

That’s really what this comes down to. If the Seahawks view Wilson as an all-time great, they should treat him that way. If they don’t, they should trade him to a team that does, since that team would put together a trade offer that the Seahawks would regard as one they can’t refuse.

Wilson surely sees himself as someone who has the potential to crack the top five in league history. And he has every right to think that. The current problem between player and team seems to be that the Seahawks don’t share that assessment and/or they aren’t willing to transform their overall strategy to let Wilson create the kind of numbers and outcomes that will prove that Wilson belongs in the pantheon of the best pro football quarterbacks in history. Given Wilson’s current objectives for his career, it’s not a question of if but when the two sides go their separate ways.

164 responses to “Report: Russell Wilson “stormed out” after his ideas for fixing Seattle’s offense were dismissed

  1. I’ve gotta tell you, Russell makes a lot of heady demands for a guy who hasn’t garnered a single vote for MVP. Ever.

  2. Imagine being paid $35 million a year to storm out of meetings and go home to a pop star wife to vent. He has a difficult life

  3. I could totally see the patriots sending acouple firsts over for wilson. Its probably the only chance BB has to win without Brady.

  4. Come on down to NOLA, Russ.
    Film industry is booming and there lots of dishes for you to
    “Cook”

  5. The Seahawks consistently over the last 5 years have been unable to shore up that O-line. Wilson may have not had the answers in that meeting but he is not wrong as many of the concerns he has stated publicly about the offense are valid.

  6. While I think russ is trying to put himself into a position to have some say and control about what’s going on around him I don’t think pete carroll will let that fly. Nor do I believe that carroll is going to let russ go anywhere, despite how disgruntled he might be.

  7. The answer is to not may russel so much money. If I were a GM I wouldn’t pay any QB more than TB12 makes.

  8. This situation cannot be sustained. The QB position is turning into a “cap killer” for many teams where they load up the QB with big money and then can’t put a good supporting staff around him and then he wonders why he doesn’t have better protection. These players need to stop worrying about their damn LEGACY and shut up and ball. Their legacy will always be open for debate anyway.

  9. Teams need to take the $30M a vet qb makes and stock their team up. Then draft a first round qb every 2 years and hope they pan out til their rookie deal is up. Keep shuffling them through and load up the rest of your team.

  10. Wilson is better than about 25 QBs in the league, and then after that its the year-to-year arguments.

    One thing that is sure – the Seattle GM and coaching staff have done him no favors. The Run Run Pass playcalling is trash. They need to spend some more draft capital on olineman. They need more modern pass concepts.

    At least he has DK Metcalf and Lockett. Outside of that, it often feels like Russ is a 1 man magic show.

  11. This situation cannot be sustained. The QB position is turning into a “cap killer” for many teams
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    This isn’t a new trend. Its been going on since the cap was instituted.

    Young, Aikman, Favre… all the way down the line.

    You CANNOT win in the League without a QB. Period. Teams pay accordingly.

  12. Are we sure he didn’t audible to a pass play on the goalline to try to win the Super Bowl MVP trophy?

  13. If I were a GM I wouldn’t pay any QB more than TB12 makes.
    ———

    Impossible.

    Haven’t you heard? Brady plays for cupcakes and smiles.

  14. we’ll welcome his ideas here at the Jets…but since he’s much older we give up less than we would for Watson.

  15. He stormed out the moment they said to him – ‘You do know Russel, that you’re not Tom Brady’

  16. Oh no, he stormed out because he’s not Tom Brady? Don’t throw the pick and they might listen more.

  17. aaronrodgers618 says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:28 am
    Carolina Panthers are on line one.
    ____
    Ah…. The ol’ line one comment. Never gets old….

  18. The Seahawks consistently over the last 5 years have been unable to shore up that O-line.
    ———

    Well it doesn’t help Wilsons case that he runs around like Fran Tarkenton, and quite often, fails to get rid of the ball.

    It would be fascinating to see how many of those 394 sacks were coverage sacks.

  19. Seattle has shown Wilson the $$ more than once and that shows how they feel about him. All this other nonsense from Wilson is about his overinflated ego. He needs to get over himself and play better. Period, end of story.

  20. seahawk12thman says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:32 am
    The Seahawks consistently over the last 5 years have been unable to shore up that O-line…
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    If Rus has all that cap space, if you want an elite line too the rest of team be weak and/or thin.

  21. “How do you guys feel about blocking?”

    “Sorry Russell, that’s just not going to happen with our guys, and you make too much for us to get better guys.”

    *Storms Out*

  22. Somebody’s wifey made his head so big it wouldn’t fit out the door he slammed. He may have been able to lead the offense like Mahomes a few years ago. Now not so much. Holds the ball and scrambles around making “clutch” plays. Those days are past Russ. Take your big cap breaking bucks and play ball.

  23. Apparently the Seahawks didn’t watch what happened when Tom Brady left the Pats and joined the Bucs. Sometimes it’s not a bad idea to let a great QB have a little more say.

    Great QB > great coach

  24. Was one of his suggestions to renegotiate the terms of his contract to take less money to help shore up the offensive line? If not, don’t let the door hit you on the way out

  25. Pete lost the team on that Malcolm Butler INT, and very few of their key personnel decisions have paid dividends.

    Bad trades. Weak Drafts. Thats why the Seahawks aren’t winning.

  26. I enjoy watching him play. He is smart and and a relentless competitor. He also has the luxury of having a very good head coach who is also smart and a relentless competitor. One day Russell can retire from football, take a coaching job, and his team can use all of his fixes – I bet he would do a great job. But until then, he might consider the value of having the very good coach do the coaching and the very good player do the playing. Overall it has been a great formula in Seattle.

  27. Good Lord…….if these top-tier quarterbacks want influence over management and personnel, they should stop demanding top-tier compensation. The team could probably better afford the exact changes and additions they are demanding. One hand washes the other.

  28. He’s been paid extremely well by Seattle . He’s a QB not a coach . That’s been the cause of Seattle’s struggles on offense , Wilson freelancing , holding onto the ball looking to make a spectacular play instead taking what’s available . Agree with the opinion that Wilson is ticked because he’s rightfully being called out for being more concerned about his stats and image then winning football games . Wilson is in no position to demand anything . Seattle should do whatever is in their best interest , not what Wilson wants . Wilson is a QB who is paid extremely well so claiming he’s being wronged is ridiculous . Unlike Watson he wasn’t lied to about having input and seeing the team being run into the ground by poor management . The Seattle organization is run by some very respected people around the NFL so he needs to concentrate on doing his job and let them do theirs .

  29. Its extremely amusing that Wilson may force himself out of a great situation.

    The Shanahan offense is PERFECT for his skill set.

    And DK could be an uncoverable monster if they feature him the way the Packers did Adams.

    To say nothing of his investment in the local community, which is obviously important to him.

  30. Please tell me this situation went down like the Peter Dinklage conference room scene in Elf.

  31. I liked sports a whole lot more when there wasn’t so much soap opera involved. Part of that can certainly be attributed to “reporters” making stuff up to get clicks, but it also has to do with a generation of entitled, spoiled athletes that think too much of themselves. i seriously doubt bradshaw. staubach , montana et al would pit themselves against the organization paying for their livelihoods

  32. Wilson isn’t nearly as good as Wilson thinks he is. That said, he’s still a top 10 QB. A team with a veteran QB like that should listen very carefully to what the QB says he needs to make the offense great. Who really knows better than the QB where the offense has holes and what would help him out the most? Of course that needs to be limited to the reality of what the team can do cap-wise and personnel-wise.

  33. Somewhere Tom Brady is sitting there thinking man I’m so glad the media is making up these nonsense stories about somebody else

  34. It would be interesting to know what his ideas are, and whether they take into account his own play. I’m sure he’d love to have a 5-star OL and the best skill players around, but that’s not so compatible with a huge QB contract.

    Is he willing to take less money? To change his style of play to make life easier for his OL and receivers? If he’s putting all of that on the table and still getting ignored, that’s one thing. But if he’s just saying everyone else is the problem, that’s another.

    He’s really talented, no question. But the way he leads the offense could be described as chaos. Since their defense stopped being all-world, chaos just isn’t cutting it against well-organized teams.

  35. So if Wilson does get traded, his new team will be paying its new QB $35 million a year and it won’t have any draft picks. Sounds like a real recipe for success.

  36. Viking Fan Blames Officials…..Everybody Drink….he was 2nd in MVP voting in 2017. Led the NFL in touchdowns though Wentz would’ve been MVP had he not been injured. Wilson needed 3 more games to pass Wentz in TD.

  37. Russ needs to be in the desert on a horse with no name. It’ll be good to get out of the rain

  38. Viking Fan Blames Officials…..Everybody Drink says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:26 am
    I’ve gotta tell you, Russell makes a lot of heady demands for a guy who hasn’t garnered a single vote for MVP. Ever
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    I suppose you think a QB that has been voted to the Pro Bowl 8 of his 9 seasons has no idea what is happening on the field.

  39. jasons81 says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:54 am

    Apparently the Seahawks didn’t watch what happened when Tom Brady left the Pats and joined the Bucs. Sometimes it’s not a bad idea to let a great QB have a little more say.

    ===============

    Considering he’s won 1 Super Bowl with Tampa and 6 with NE, not sure that’s such a good comparison.

    Tampa had the luxury of building an all-world team without a big QB contract in the middle of it. That’s why they won last year. It’s a lot harder to do it the other way around, with a Wilson-sized contract weighing you down.

  40. What is being glazed over is that this meeting took place in the middle of the season when Schotty was the OC. So Russ walked out on Schotty because he was frustrated with having his ideas being dismissed. They lit up the league over the first 1/3 of the season. But once defenses adjusted, Schotty’s offense had no countermeasures and things suffered. Pete Carroll realized this and made the move to a new OC.

    I’d bet my lunch that Russ will be deeply involved and influential with the new scheme this coming season. I fully expect to see a very creative offense that utilizes the massive skillset that is currently on the roster.

    And oh yeah, the O-line did fine. You cannot expect them to keep Russ clean when 90% of the passing plays called for a 7+ step drop/QB depth. It takes time for receivers to get down field and when you are running them deep over and over and over the defense is going to get through at a much higher rate than if you have a scheme that calls for a fuller use of the pass route tree.

  41. It’s not just the Seahawks, the whole NFC West stinks. Just look at their opponents from this year and the score. The Wset may be the weakest conference in the NFL.

  42. *unnamed source

    Wilson just doesn’t strike me as the type for most of this drama coming out of Seattle. Guess we’ll see if he isn’t a Seahawk next season.

  43. Carried by a dominate d fence for his only sb win… was given a chance to win another and literally gave it away… hes never been an mvp nor has played a full season at mvp caliber…

  44. These guys need to get pass thinking about legacy. In human history, nfl will not be a footnote. Let alone one player. Wanting to change the offense because he is tired of getting sack. Good idea. Legacy?

  45. He holds thew ball waaaaaaayyyyyy too long and never makes the righth call. He has NEVER been worth the money period!

  46. Man, this guy’s a diva!!! Right up there with Rodgers!!

    You’d never catch Kirk Cousins behaving this way, but then, he’s a far more talented (and professional-behaving) QB than either of those two, and he’s surrounded with so much talent, on both sides of the ball, that he doesn’t have to worry about those things. Wilson or Rodgers would give their left arm to play for Minnesota, with its explosive offense and shut-down defense!!

  47. I love having Wilson as our qb. But he does hold onto the ball to long to often, mostly because hes trying to hit the homerun. If he wants to be hit less often, then restructure your contract so the Seahawks can go after top tier linemen in free agency, not just the scraps because your salary is taking up 25 percent of salary cap. Tom Brady took less money to win, it helps his wife is worth a billion dollars, but Ciara im sure has some wealth too. If you want to win then you have to leave some meat on the bone for the rest of team, or dont bitch about getting hit. Since Wilson is more mobile than say Rodgers, Seattle im sure figured lets skimp on the o line, and try to get him some weapons. Same thing happened in Green Bay, Rodgers taking up huge cap space, but GB got him a good o line to protect him and skimped on receivers. My opinion is take less money, win Super Bowls like Brady did.

  48. Carried by a dominate d fence for his only sb win… was given a chance to win another and literally gave it away… hes never been an mvp nor has played a full season at mvp caliber…
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    He did his part on those Super Bowl teams. Huge plays, throughout.

    The pass in SB XLIX is equal parts Belichick, Butler, a poor throw, bad execution, and a questionable decision. Lynch scores there. What is the commentary then? It is impossible to even guess how different the fate of this team might be.

  49. The Seahawks haven’t been the same since losing Super Bowl XLIX. It wasn’t just the loss that did it, however, it was how they lost. Not only is it time to move on from Russell Wilson, it might also be time to find a new head coach.

  50. I guess Russ wants more play calls where he runs around in circles behind the line of scrimmage while waiting for his receivers to get wide open. That highly sophisticated offense known as “sandlot football.”

  51. The salary cap situation for 2021 is certainly pretty dire, but Wilson signed his contract long before COVID came around. QB salaries are very high these days as a result of teams franchising QBs – Dak is due to make $38 million this year if the Cowboys franchise tag him again. Is he “worth” that? It’s expensive, but a quality starting QB is a necessity.

    Seattle won’t trade Wilson without having a replacement – a valid replacement. QBs are too important for that. No one trades a franchise QB and then says “OK, now what?”.

  52. Coming from a one-year wonder, from his one-year dynasty. Maybe if he didn’t toss a pick on the goaline in the SB, he would have some cred. Russell Wilson has always been a me me me guy, without the resume to back it up.

  53. No way the Seahawks would ever trade Wilson ,no matter how much He whines .The Seahawks are a one trick pony , without Wilson they are nothing and they know that . Maybe they can come together with the Texans and just Trade Wilson for Watson straight up even though the 2 quarterbacks would most likely squash the deal since they are basically complaining about the same thing.

  54. Some of the better QB’S seem to get envious when they see other QB’S taking the limelight. I imagine when the Seahawks threw a couple tough questions at him he couldn’t answer he stormed out.

  55. So many haters. Look, if I own a company and I have a star sales person that blows all the other sales people out of the watet, and he or she asks to be involved in shaping policy that will effect them I let them in the meeting and take them seriously. No different with a star qb. No they dont get to set policy, but I’d be more than happy to consider their input. If for no other reason than it shows how committed to winning they are.

  56. Jason Harshman says:
    February 25, 2021 at 11:14 am

    Viking Fan Blames Officials…..Everybody Drink….he was 2nd in MVP voting in 2017. Led the NFL in touchdowns though Wentz would’ve been MVP had he not been injured. Wilson needed 3 more games to pass Wentz in TD.
    *********
    Well, for the sake actual facts, let’s take a look back at the 2017 MVP vote.

    Tom Brady: 40 votes.
    Todd Gurley: 8 votes
    Carson Wentz: 2 votes.
    Russell Wilson: 0 votes.

    Truth be known, the only time Russell Wilson has ever placed 2nd in the MVP voting was in 2019.
    And that was because Lamar Jackson stole all 50 votes and Russell was tied with everyone.

    Look, my original post was a little tongue in cheek, of course Russell Wilson is a good QB and skilled passer.
    He’s been one of the best of the past decade.
    That doesn’t necessarily make him, or any other player, qualified to make long ranging personnel decisions on the roster or scheme.
    Constructing an entire and coherent roster that fits into a salary cap structure is a big job.
    That’s why they pay objective coaches and front office men to make those kinds of decisions, and players just play.

  57. This is an old story – but this does explain why OC Shottemheimer lost his job at seasons end.

    New coaching – The Mcvay system that Wilson loves, he’s on board.

  58. These guys need to get pass thinking about legacy. In human history, nfl will not be a footnote. Let alone one player. Wanting to change the offense because he is tired of getting sack. Good idea. Legacy?
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    Why wouldn’t they think about legacy?

    Sports figures are idolized. Beyond debate. We don’t even need to use their full names; Michael, Magic, Kobe, Shaq.. Payton, Deion, Montana.. Junior, Pedro, Papi..

    .. if Wilson DOES truly care about legacy, he will put an end to this nonsense.

    He IS Seahawk football. No bigger Icon in this teams history. Unfairly so, due to the Super Bowls, but true nevertheless. He earns it off the field, that has to be said. But forcing his way out of Seattle will ruin whatever legacy he has worked so hard for.

  59. I’m with Wilson on this.

    1) Except for early on when the read-option was a big weapon, their play calling and play book is not designed around Wilson’s strengths. Bevell and Schotty had very vanilla play books.
    2) The in-game play calling is atrocious. Run Run Pass. On 99% of the plays you can tell by the formation if it’s run or pass. It’s hard for the o-line to block when the play calls tip off run or pass. There is very, very little deception in their play calls.
    3) 3rd and 3-6. On middle distance 3rd downs, Wilson gives you lots of options. You can roll him out, run read-option, draw play…but it seems they ONLY ever call a pass play with an empty backfield from the shotgun with a 6-7 step drop….straight back.

    They need someone who can come up with a playbook and game plan that uses Wilson as the mobile QB he is. Roll him out left…Roll him out right. He can throw on the run very effectively both ways…tire that D line out if you don’t want to spend $ on the o-line. Pass when the D thinks run…run when they think pass. Mix it up…right now there is 0 creativity in the their game plan…and they don’t make in-game adjustments. The same plays that didn’t work in the first half get called again in the 2nd half.

  60. When Brady was done with Bilichick and the Patriots not listening to his ideas he Gave them 6 Superbowl wins and 9 Superbowl appearances. What has Russel Wilson done for the Seahawks
    The legion of Boom won that Superbowl.

  61. Let’s be honest, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are 2 HOF QBs who are/were basically “OCs on the field”. They had the rare talent to quickly size up the defense and change the play on the fly and beat the defense and make great plays.
    There are very few QB who can and will ever have the talent of those two yet now all of the 31 other starting QBs in the NFL are saying “I want that too” like Wilson.
    Wilson is a good QB but sorry chum, you are no Brady and Manning and never will be.

  62. jimmypx says:
    February 25, 2021 at 11:55 am
    Let’s be honest, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are 2 HOF QBs who are/were basically “OCs on the field”. They had the rare talent to quickly size up the defense and change the play on the fly and beat the defense and make great plays.
    There are very few QB who can and will ever have the talent of those two yet now all of the 31 other starting QBs in the NFL are saying “I want that too” like Wilson.
    Wilson is a good QB but sorry chum, you are no Brady and Manning and never will be.

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    It’s true that Russ may be no “brady or Manning” but Manning is no Brady either….

  63. I just don’t see him leaving Seattle. I think this stuff is getting overblown right now, but will be forgotten by the time camps open.

  64. With QB spending out of control, it’s only a matter of time before the NBA method of max and supermax contracts are adopted. Cap it. Stop the insanity.

  65. If there was an article about the WFT cheerleaders posted, would some posters figure a way to bring Brady into the discussion? Also I agree that the “so and so on line one” comments are really getting old. Automatic thumbs down.

  66. touchback6 says:

    February 25, 2021 at 11:49 am

    Primadonna Brady has set this off, emboldening all other elite qbs.

    Yep.

    Lol!
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    Hey Trollback6…remind us again like you did all last offseason how Brady held back the Pat’s offense for years and this past season was going to prove that…yup go back under your bridge

  67. I think there is a lot to be said about Russ taking less money if he wants more talent on the team around him. There is a reason that other than TB12, teams with rookie contract QB’s have won every recent SB. TB12 has always put team talent above his own pay, so you get some of the same effect as a rookie deal QB.

    I totally get Russ wanting to win multiple SB’s, but at the end of the day teams can only build with the dollars they have available and when your QB takes up the highest percentage other areas have to suffer.

    Ultimately if I were Russ I’d resign for less WITH a contract stipulation that allows me to have input in how those team-saved dollars are spent. That would result in a win-win for everyone.

  68. Wilson is definitely a top 5 QB in the league. But he and them need to realize that obtaining and retaining other key athletes in order to create continuity and long term success is crucial in a team sport.
    Chiefs are about to experience this reality themselves as they retool their offense to fit with their QB’s salary %.

  69. If he wants input on the offensive line then I say give it to him. Take the current salary made by the OL and add in Russ’s salary. Then give him a set amount of money to spend (which includes his salary). If he’s really serious about getting a better OL then he can either go with the current group or put his money where his mouth is and take less money so they can sign better OL.

    Storming out of a meeting because you don’t get your way is something one would expect from a child, not a 32-year old “man” making $35M/yr. Poor Russell.

  70. savagestarlight says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:33 am

    Can’t build an elite offense around the scramble drill.
    _______________________________

    Best comment I’ve seen on this site in a long time, and shows a HIGH level of football knowledge.

    Russ was having a great season until his “cooking” started to catch up with him and wear him out. Sandwiched in between win streaks they had a stretch where they went 3-4. They had a cream puff schedule, never once beat a great team – the ONE great team the played (BUF) handed them their own asz. Mostly they were taking out the Rams, Cards, 9ers and teams like the Skins.

    Even a guy like Wilson can’t carry his team on his shoulders every single game – it’s a recipe for one-and-done in the playoffs.

    SEA is well-known for sinking money into that D and ignoring that OL. Of course, a MASSIVE QB contract like that makes things very difficult…

  71. hellooooooooooobrooklyn says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:26 am
    Imagine being paid $35 million a year to storm out of meetings and go home to a pop star wife to vent. He has a difficult life

    That’s a really valid point. With that said, it’s not like he’s a prima-donna, no TO or Brandon Marshall here. He’s towed the company line. For years, he has kept his issues nearly entirely private while he’s gotten the crap kicked out of him behind a mostly sub-par o-line. He’s delivered pro bowl levels of performance during this time. Speaking strictly professionally, if he’s given the organization everything he can, why shouldn’t he at least be allowed some input?

    If you work your butt off for your job and your superiors dismiss your opinion out of hand then that’s not a good company to work for.

  72. chebornek says:

    February 25, 2021 at 12:34 pm

    Wilson is definitely a top 5 QB in the league. But he and them need to realize that obtaining and retaining other key athletes in order to create continuity and long term success is crucial in a team sport.
    Chiefs are about to experience this reality themselves as they retool their offense to fit with their QB’s salary %.
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    Where exactly are the chiefs experiencing this? RB they will have Williams and CEH back as Bell likely moves on but he wasnt a long term piece anyway, Kelce is signed and isnt going anywhere at WR Hill and Hardman will be back but Watkins probably moves on and both starting tackles will be back as well as both their starting guards of Duvernay-Tardiff doesnt opt out again. So this “retooling” involves a backup rb, a starting wr and a center. That’s what you call normal turnover contrary to what fans may cry.

  73. @nhpats2011
    In your fervor to spout even more Brady Man-love, you TOTALLY missed the context/point of his post.

  74. YouEnjoyMyself says:

    Cue the diva comments. Could you imagine the comments if this story was about Rodgers?

    ————————————–

    The commenters called Rodgers a diva as well. No need to place the race card.

  75. I understand his frustration — getting clobbered and buried over and over by sacks takes its toll.

  76. Sounds like Russ thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. Hope he gets traded and ends up in a worse situation.

  77. If he wants to run an offense, retire and see if somebody will hire him as an Offense Quality Control intern.

  78. Lol@ the “you’re not Tom Brady”

    If that was the line, Russ’ response should be “And you’re not Bill Belichick, and you’re not Dante Scarnecchia… so what’s your point, exactly?”

  79. Coaches don’t mind when a QB suggests a play during a game, but when that QB wants to be the one to decide personnel and schemes, the fun is over.

    Wilson is essentially trying to be both the QB, head coach, and offensive coordinator. Coaches won’t be very happy with that.

  80. Sunday Swami says:
    February 25, 2021 at 12:24 pm
    touchback6 says:

    February 25, 2021 at 11:49 am

    Primadonna Brady has set this off, emboldening all other elite qbs.

    Yep.

    Lol!
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    Hey Trollback6…remind us again like you did all last offseason how Brady held back the Pat’s offense for years and this past season was going to prove that…yup go back under your bridge

    1 2 Rate This

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    Umm, he did in 2019! And he did it from 2007-2012 in the shotgun spread with horrible postseasons, ignoring the run game.

    He threw 5 ints in 2 games going into the SB. Good thing his D and Goodell bailed him out, eh?

    lol

    Brady winning a ring elsewhere is good business for the nfl but it doesn’t change the facts.

    NEs 2nd draft pick ever? JimmyG. Scared Brady straight.

    Season tix since ‘78. Some of us know more than Tommy Curran.

  81. The Seahawks haven’t been the same since losing Super Bowl XLIX. It wasn’t just the loss that did it, however, it was how they lost.
    ———

    Half true.

    They (the players) didn’t have to fold like deck chairs.

    Rather than acting like petulant children, Sherman, Thomas, Bennett, could have manned up and been built up by adversity instead of being destroyed by it.

  82. Russ could go to the Niners, but as soon as he tried to tell Shanahan how to run the offense, he’d be right back in the same position.

    Russ needs to do his job and let others do theirs……or go to a team with a rookie coach that he can bully.

  83. Out here on the best coast there are pretty good rivalries with the Seahawks and the Rams, 49ers, and Cardinals. The Rams have pretty much dialed in Russ and anticipate his every move.

    We (Seahawks) were able to invest in a better defense before Russ got his big contract. Additionally it is tough to put together a consistent run game when the backs get beat up and injured because of a weaker O Line.

    Watch Brady (or Drew Brees) and count One Thousand One, One Thousand Two, One Thousand Three. The ball is usually out by One Thousand Two. With Russ it is usually around One Thousand 7 or later.

  84. Theres only 1 Tom Brady

    Russ is not Tom Brady

    So why don’t all you Brady fans make like a tree and get out of here?

  85. It would be entirely possible that the Seahawks think Russel Wilson is an all time great QB but not a HC, OC or personnel man. It doesn’t have to be that they don’t trust his skills on the field.

  86. Rodgers taking up huge cap space, but GB got him a good o line to protect him and skimped on receivers. My opinion is take less money, win Super Bowls like Brady did.
    ———

    Tom Brady 2020 cap hit – $28,375,000

    Rodgers 2020 cap hit – $21,642,000

  87. Ok just did an in depth study on 29 HOF qb’s AT his current pace, Wilson will need to play at 6 more years and match his best season statistics in each of those 6 years to even be in the top 15 QB’s of all time never mind breaking the top 5…. getting into the top ten alone is going to be a real reach….

    He is his worse enemy with hold the ball for so long…his sack rate of over 18 yards per game speak to that fact. no other QB in the top ten is even close… for example Peyton for all his passing and pocket stature he averaged 6 yards per game in sacks.

    I will agree with 5 -6 more years of current level of play 4200 yards per-season, 37 to 40 Td’s per-season, under 10 INT’s per-season, 11 & 5 win seasons and he will be a top 15 QB in the HOF ….

  88. Great QB > great coach
    ———

    Favre is nowhere without Holmgren, Mooch, Reid

    Gibbs won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs

    Belichick nearly ended Montana’s career twice, and probably stopped him from 3-peating

  89. Top 5 in NFL HISTORY?!

    He’s not even top 5 among QBs who played at the same time as him:

    Brady
    Rogers
    Mahomes
    Brees
    Manning

    All time? He’s not in the top 50. Not even close.

    Top 5 all time QBs don’t throw interceptions in the endzone to lose the Superbowl. And they don’t let their ego run wild, at least not to the point where it become public!

  90. AFW AFW says:
    February 25, 2021 at 11:41 am

    Seattle won’t trade Wilson without having a replacement – a valid replacement. QBs are too important for that. No one trades a franchise QB and then says “OK, now what?”.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    No one except Mad Genius Bill Belichick who just did that….and now that he did that, he will now be know as Mad Belichcick

  91. Drew Brees: goes to the sideline when his coach wants to goof around with Taysom Hill and doesn’t say a word despite it being completely ridiculous most of the time.

    Russell Wilson: whines when he doesn’t get to do whatever he wants.

  92. Does anybody seriously think Belichick will trade for a QB that wants to be GM and coach? Funny.

  93. No thanks. Sean Payton isnt designing an offense for a guy that holds the ball for an hour and then whines that nobody blocks for him. We had 15 years of a QB that never complained once about coaching or the play of his teammates. We dont need to get one now.

    ________________

    hukdeep says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:27 am
    Come on down to NOLA, Russ.
    Film industry is booming and there lots of dishes for you to
    “Cook”

  94. Mid November was the time of all that talk swirling around Metcalf and Wilson being the next permutation of Rice-Montana.
    Talk about Wilson being the years’s MVP had begun to fade to the background by mid-November
    Also he and Ciara just finished their photoshoot for GQ Magazine.
    The man’s a marketing machine

  95. Just like Watson. Any club that trades the future for a malcontent deserves what they get. You may win. But without other help neither guy can win. Stats are stats. Wins are more important ten fold.

  96. I see this as being similar to the Aaron Rodgers-Mike McCarthy relationship. McCarthy left and the team got a lot better. The shackles were removed from Aaron. He’s playing better than ever. I’m not talking about Pete Carroll. I’m talking about the guys running the offense. McCarthy ran the offense in Green Bay. I often watch Russell play, and wonder why don’t they take advantage of his skills. The Hawks offensive scheme and play calling is terrible. I wouldn’t necessarily get Russell involved in personnel, because that’s not a real weakness. But I’d definitely allow Russell to have greater input into the play calling. What do they have to lose, besides a first ballot HOF QB? I mean, HOF QB’s don’t grow on trees. Seattle has a good organization, and all, but don’t let ego’s get in the way. It’s not even that Russell deserves anything. It’s all about the team. The team deserves to give more input to Russell, and see if what happened in Green Bay, can happen in Seattle. Russell wants to win as bad as anyone. I guarantee you Bruce Arians didn’t slam the door on Tom Brady.

  97. The only thing Russ should be cooking is some hearty crow. Tastes a fair bit gamey, but surely Russ will eat as much as he cooks….

  98. Russel Wilson a top 5 in league history? He barley breaks into the top 5 of the league now much less of all time.

  99. This is the product of the “control freak” nature of modern NFL coaching. These coaches egos are so wrapped up in controlling every aspect of every play and scheme. They just want the quarterback to be extensions of themselves on the field. Not giving the QB some input into his own performance is eventually going to lead to some frustration. Especially one who’s not a rookie and has some accomplishments to his name.
    Imagine a movie director telling Robert DiNiro or Jack Nicholson to stick exactly to the script and disregarding any suggestions or input he may have regarding his performance. The way the Wilson story is presented, I don’t blame Wilson for the frustration.
    Perhaps Wilson’s suggestions were aimed at limiting his turnovers. It’s not good optics to hear that Carroll & the staff just shut Wilson down completely.

  100. I’m sure there are a lot of GMs and coaches lining up to trade for this guy so they don’t have to do their jobs anymore.

  101. touchback6 says:
    February 25, 2021 at 1:06 pm
    Sunday Swami says:
    February 25, 2021 at 12:24 pm
    touchback6 says:

    February 25, 2021 at 11:49 am

    Primadonna Brady has set this off, emboldening all other elite qbs.

    Yep.

    Lol!
    ——-
    Hey Trollback6…remind us again like you did all last offseason how Brady held back the Pat’s offense for years and this past season was going to prove that…yup go back under your bridge

    1 2 Rate This

    —————-

    Umm, he did in 2019! And he did it from 2007-2012 in the shotgun spread with horrible postseasons, ignoring the run game.

    He threw 5 ints in 2 games going into the SB. Good thing his D and Goodell bailed him out, eh?

    lol

    Brady winning a ring elsewhere is good business for the nfl but it doesn’t change the facts.

    NEs 2nd draft pick ever? JimmyG. Scared Brady straight.

    Season tix since ‘78. Some of us know more than Tommy Curran.

    —–

    Your predictions have been wrong so many time that you have zero credibility here

  102. Another aggrieved diva. Enormous talent, smart, by all accounts a great guy. But just like Rogers, he seems to have an inflated sense of self. I’ll say it again. If teams are going to pay quarterbacks second only to the owner, there needs to be contractual language which prevents them from speaking out and playing these games. You’re being paid like upper management, you have to act like it…just like any other profession. The executive vice president of Coca-Cola doesn’t run around and passively aggressively say “whether I leave or not is up to Coke.”

  103. drunken brady says:
    February 25, 2021 at 1:17 pm

    Rodgers taking up huge cap space, but GB got him a good o line to protect him and skimped on receivers. My opinion is take less money, win Super Bowls like Brady did.
    ———

    Tom Brady 2020 cap hit – $28,375,000

    Rodgers 2020 cap hit – $21,642,000
    _______________

    Tom Brady 2021 cap hit – $28,375,000

    Rodgers 2021 cap hit – $37,572,000

    Plus Rodgers has a cap hit of $39,852,000 in 2022. Brady will be a UFA. You can’t sign players to long-term deals when the quarterback takes up that much cap down the line.

  104. fallendelusion says:
    February 25, 2021 at 12:46 pm
    hellooooooooooobrooklyn says:
    February 25, 2021 at 10:26 am
    Imagine being paid $35 million a year to storm out of meetings and go home to a pop star wife to vent. He has a difficult life

    That’s a really valid point. With that said, it’s not like he’s a prima-donna, no TO or Brandon Marshall here. He’s towed the company line. For years, he has kept his issues nearly entirely private while he’s gotten the crap kicked out of him behind a mostly sub-par o-line. He’s delivered pro bowl levels of performance during this time. Speaking strictly professionally, if he’s given the organization everything he can, why shouldn’t he at least be allowed some input?

    If you work your butt off for your job and your superiors dismiss your opinion out of hand then that’s not a good company to work for.

    ——————

    No. It’s isn’t a good company to work for. The NFL, that is. Instead of throwing tantrums, he can retire a rich and, much more importantly, healthy young man and move to NY with his lovely family. I know I would. He doesn’t owe the NFL anything. I don’t know why he’s doing this to himself, taking all those hits. Passion and love for the game only mean so much

  105. patriotmaleorgy says:
    It’s not just the Seahawks, the whole NFC West stinks. Just look at their opponents from this year and the score. The Wset may be the weakest conference in the NFL.
    —————
    Sounds like someone is still a bit upset about losing Brady…

  106. Why is it either or? Either treat him like an all-time great or trade him to a team that will. That’s it? That’s what “it all comes down to”? Those are the only two options?

    How about treat him like a very good player that gives them the best chance of winning compared to what else is out there at the moment?

  107. Lmao at Tylawspick6

    While Brady was on the Patriots, it was always Goodell was out for Brady, they weren’t friends.

    Now Brady wins a super bowl on the Bucs, Goodell helps Brady win Super Bowls.

    I love Patriot Homers 🙂

  108. Plus Rodgers has a cap hit of $39,852,000 in 2022. Brady will be a UFA. You can’t sign players to long-term deals when the quarterback takes up that much cap down the line.
    ———

    Yet this is how NFL teams have operated for the last 30 years.

    Odd……..

  109. ya his ego is hurt because no one is talking about him as much as mahomey. ditto watson, they want star staus and in part are being egged on by agents imo.

  110. My own personal top 5 quarterbacks of all time are Tom Brady, Otto Graham, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, and Peyton Manning. Some other very close honorable mentions would have to be Johnny Unitas and Bart Starr. Russell Wilson is very fortunate to have that super bowl ring. There are many players like Dan Marino who did everything it took to win one, but it was never enough in the end. Needless to say, there are a few quarterbacks playing these days who belong in the hall of very good, not the hall of fame.

  111. Seahawks were always lauded for their draft results. They drafted skill players with a lucky hand. But they were not able to draft Olinemen. That is on Schneider.

  112. Russell is making a lot of demands for a guy who hasn’t made a deep playoff run without the LOB. Since the Hawks have become “his team”, with the responsibility to lead and carry them, it’s good regular season football and short playoffs.

    I love the Hawks. NO player is above the team, especially in football and especially one that hasn’t proven he can win, no matter what. He’s getting plenty of time to throw, he needs to make better decisions.

  113. Hilarious. Did he storm off like Carlton Banks being laughed at by Will? I wish I could’ve seen that. The Carlton Banks of football bwahahaha

  114. All of the people trashing Wilson need to ask themselves — If you were the 4th rated passer in NFL history, and thought your management team was not putting together a good offensive scheme, would you expect to be listened to?

    Too many of these Joe Fan people trashing Wilson have that “shut up and dribble” mindset, where an athlete of a certain hue who KNOWS BETTER THAN YOU is supposed to be quiet and okey doke and get crushed because management is sucking at their job.

  115. donnymacjack says: What is being glazed over is that this meeting took place in the middle of the season when Schotty was the OC. So Russ walked out on Schotty because he was frustrated with having his ideas being dismissed. They lit up the league over the first 1/3 of the season. But once defenses adjusted, Schotty’s offense had no countermeasures and things suffered. Pete Carroll realized this and made the move to a new OC.

    ——

    This guy gets it. Schottenheimer was in charge of the offense then. It looks like Wilson was probably right about the need to change the scheme. Now Schottenheimer is gone, and it will be Wilson’s offense with just a rookie of his choosing at OC. Wilson already won this argument.

  116. Rick Martin says:
    February 25, 2021 at 2:56 pm
    The inmates have officially taken over the asylum
    ___________________________________________

    Actually, the team’s front office didn’t give up control & that is why Russell “stormed out” and is reportedly looking to find another team. The Seahawks are a team oriented / centrist organization that wants all three phases of the team to function well. They want balanced approach which means Russell won’t be able to cook for an entire season, breaking all QB passing records, regardless of wins/results. This doesn’t mean he can’t excel. It just means the team will try to develop a very good run game, very good pass game and solid Defensive & Special Teams.

    The real question: Would Russell rather be part of this organization or be like Marino,who clearly was the greatest non Super-Bowl winning, passing QB?

  117. Russ has never been good at playing within an offense. But when things break down, he’s a magician. It’s just not a reliable approach against good defenses say, in a critical divisional game or a playoff game. Wilson’s record bears that out.

  118. Seems to me that Black Quarterbacks are always expected to know their place. How dare they demand the same respect as other top QBs in the league.

    Without Russ, the Seahawks would have gone 0-8 to start the season. Pete Carroll’s defenses have been average since the LOB. Russ is the one carrying them.

    Most of the anti-Russ narratives are not based on facts. Several teams, including the Packers, find ways to pay their O-line or draft well while also paying the QB. Wilson has never, ever had a great O-line. Or a team that respected him. Can’t wait for him to leave and change the narrative completely.

  119. I said it once in a different article and I’ll say it again:

    Hey Seattle, want your two drafts picks back? We’ll send over Darnold and a 3rd as well.

  120. Golden Tate ruined Russell by hooking up with his wife. Ever since he got together with Ciara, his ego has gone off the charts and he’s just intolerable. He can cry all he wants, he was a garbage, selfish QB the 2nd half of the season and the team won’t win anything with his contract hitched onto the cap. Seahawks need to dump this guy and his drama. Let him protect his QB rating by taking sacks for huge losses instead of throwing the ball away somewhere else.

  121. Wilson to coaching staff in a meeting: “I demand more control over the decisions on players and the offence”.

    Coaching staff and GM to Wilson simultaneously: “STAY IN YOUR LANE BRAH”!

  122. drunken brady says:
    February 25, 2021 at 3:02 pm
    Plus Rodgers has a cap hit of $39,852,000 in 2022. Brady will be a UFA. You can’t sign players to long-term deals when the quarterback takes up that much cap down the line.
    ———

    Yet this is how NFL teams have operated for the last 30 years.

    Odd……..
    __________________________________________

    NAH your comment is odd because ever since the cap has been in place there’s ONLY been 4 teams that have won a SB paying their QB more than 11% of the cap, now look at Wilson’s cap hit, 15.5% for 2020 and 17.7% for 2021!

    With 52 other players to pay you CAN’T expect to put together a SB winning team with one player eating up so much of the cap, you think those other great players the team needs don’t expect to be paid also? No player in their right mind is playing for any team for a bottom of the barrel deal just because they have _____________ as their QB!

  123. NAH your comment is odd because ever since the cap has been in place there’s ONLY been 4 teams that have won a SB paying their QB more than 11% of the cap, now look at Wilson’s cap hit, 15.5% for 2020 and 17.7% for 2021!
    ———

    Brady was the FOURTH highest paid player in the League last year. How does that fit into your little theory there?

    I doubt its validity in the first place. Troy Aikman signed a $50mil deal in 1993 then won 2 Super Bowls. The cap was $37mil at the time.

    Anyway, you can cling to your percentages all you want. NFL teams are going to continue to pay these guys. They can’t win without them.

  124. Would Russell rather be part of this organization or be like Marino,who clearly was the greatest non Super-Bowl winning, passing QB?
    ———

    Sure looks like he wants out.

    Not only is he not squashing these rumors, his agent is naming other desired destinations.

    Its a shame. I always thought Drew Brees was Russ’ ceiling. Not just as a player, but in terms of what he meant to his community. Sure looks like he took a flamethrower to all of that.

  125. John Schneider: “If you took 10 million a year less, maybe we could afford an O line.”
    Russell Wilson: “I am leaving.”

    Seriously. Get the money up front. Re-up every couple years and repeat. This is what the Pats did with Brady and they had money to build around him and win.

  126. John Schneider: “If you took 10 million a year less, maybe we could afford an O line.”
    Russell Wilson: “you’ve drafted 10 lineman in the last 5 years, why is it none of them can play?”

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