Will Jimmy Garoppolo return to the Patriots?

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In 2014, they drafted him. In 2017, they traded him. In 2021, could they be reacquiring him?

Greg Bedard recently said on his podcast that 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo represents the Patriots’ “Plan A” at quarterback, via NBC Sports Bay Area. Bedard characterizes Garoppolo as “far and away” New England’s preferred choice.

Of course, the 49ers would have to make someone else their preferred choice before Garoppolo would be available. Even then, it’s hard to imagine Garoppolo being traded, given that he’s due to make $25 million in 2021. With a shrinking cap and given that Garoppolo has missed 23 games over the last three seasons, it’s impossible to justify paying him the same amount Tom Brady will earn in Tampa Bay.

I’ve previously predicted that the 49ers eventually will cut Garoppolo. The lone caveat to that closed-eyes dart throw comes from the possibility that the 49ers will squeeze him to take less. (Reported interest in Panthers quarterback Teddy Bridgewater, who’s due to make $17 million this year, could be a precursor to telling Garoppolo he should be making $17 million, too.)

However it plays out, the 49ers surely are discreetly looking for an upgrade. Why wouldn’t they? Of all positions other than kicker and punter, quarterbacks enjoy rules that maximize their ability to stay healthy. Garoppolo has failed to do that.

He also failed to do it in New England, which makes the Patriots’ interest in handing him the keys to the offense a little confusing. Garoppolo had a four-game audition in 2016 during Brady’s #Deflategate suspension, and Garoppolo got hurt in the second game.

It’s also impossible to forget the fact that Garoppolo’s performance in a divisional round win against the Vikings in January 2020 sufficiently freaked out coach Kyle Shanahan to take the ball out of Garoppolo’s hands, going run heavy for the rest of the win over Minnesota and making Garoppolo look like Bob Griese in the NFC Championship, with only eight passes thrown in the 37-20 win over the Packers.

If Garoppolo does indeed return to New England, here’s hoping he’s on the field when the Brady and the Bucs come to town for what will be one of the biggest games of 2021.

120 responses to “Will Jimmy Garoppolo return to the Patriots?

  1. Not gonna happen. He’ll be a Niner come next season. Just the fact the guy can’t stay healthy is the main reason to question why NE would even consider trying to get him back in the first place. NE may as well go after Gardner Minshew or Fitz Magic to fill the time until they find their next starter. If they don’t go after either one of those guys they will end up signing some garbage no one else wants or worse yet another season with Newton throwing ground balls.

  2. I love how Tom Curran and Florio are hellbent at trying to mock BB in every single Pats related article.

    The whole “he can’t stay healthy” argument is a bad one. Brady missed an entire year to an ACL tear, too.

    Let me make this really clear:

    If NE gets JimmyG, the opt outs come back, they are at worst, at worst, a 10-6 team more like 11-5 or 12-4 with that secondary, that OL, the RBs and those Special Teams and coaching stafff with 70 mil in cap space.

    They’re sitting on 3 good looking drafts in a row and have had substandard qb play 2 years in a row.

    Do the the math. NE wins the division if Garoppolo returns and helps groom Stidham.

    Cam Newton was by far and away the worst qb in the league last year and can’t throw a football consistently accurate or on time. JimmyG can. End of discussion.

  3. wintercoates87 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:00 pm
    Not gonna happen. He’ll be a Niner come next season. Just the fact the guy can’t stay healthy is the main reason to question why NE would even consider trying to get him back in the first place. NE may as well go after Gardner Minshew or Fitz Magic to fill the time until they find their next starter. If they don’t go after either one of those guys they will end up signing some garbage no one else wants or worse yet another season with Newton throwing ground balls.

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    Umm, errr, wrong.

    1. SF can’t keep JimmyG. Their cap position is not good. They also recently inquired about Teddy Bridgewater. Do the math.

    2. BB trained JimmyG, they love him and would be an affordable investment for the club, even on a 2 year deal. He is not going to the Colts or Jets.

    I would strongly suggest ignoring the anti-BB media in the coming months, because they always look like complete idiots on the other side.

    All the 1st and 2nd year teaching moments last year on that field will pay huge dividends in otas, mini camp and preseason, heading into 2021.

    A pandemic can only last so long for the idiots, haters and anti-BB media.

  4. It all depends on the compensation. No harm in the niners keeping JimmyG for another season whule they draft and groom someone else to take over.

  5. I never understand writers criticizing a player for getting injured on the field. It’s a violent sport.

  6. Why would they want him back? He’s more inaccurate, injury-prone, and he is the real textbook example of a system quarterback. Honestly, they should take a chance on Mac Jones. Give him talent at tight end, wide receiver, and fullback. Then, see what happens.

  7. Only if Jimmy G gets released. Would probably only happen if the niners get Darnold in a draft day trade, or they trade up in the 1st round for a QB. I can’t imagine Belichick giving up draft assets for an oft injured QB carrying a $25 mil cap charge.

  8. The ability to stay healthy is one of the most important things for every player, but especially for the quarterback. An injured quarterback is useless.
    .
    Jimmy G tore his ACL….but it was a NON_CONTACT injury. He injured himself. If the guy can’t stay healthy when he’s not even being tackled, just imagine what will happen over time as he takes the hits.

    I’m a Niners fan and I like Jimmy G., but he’s been with the Niners for 54 regular season games, but has only played in 31 games, because of injuries. He’s a part-time QB. No team can win like that.

  9. Hope so.

    I want to see the nuclear meltdown that would result if Belichick took a Jimmy G team to the Super Bowl.

  10. Aren’t most acl tears non contact? Niners cap is at 24 mil and rising with cuts coming. Flo at it again with the jimmy hate.

  11. touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    1. SF can’t keep JimmyG. Their cap position is not good. They also recently inquired about Teddy Bridgewater. Do the math.

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    The folks at Overthecap.com have apparently done the math and they list the 49ers as being more than $23 million below the cap. They obviously still could move Jimmy G (and save another $23 million vs. the cap), but it doesn’t appear they have to.

  12. Florio loves that Bob Griese reference and has brought it up at least twice before when discussing that NFC Championship game and Garropolo. For the record, Griese had a mere 8 attempts for 158 yards in in the 1972 AFC Championshp game against the Colts.

  13. Patriots fans are funny. The AFC East is not getting easier, it’s becoming a lot more competitive. Good luck finding a great quarterback. They don’t grow on trees. Belichick is a below average general manager who found gold maybe four times in twenty years.

  14. With the Patriots and Belichick being notoriously close-to-the-vest players, there is no way that any journalist actually knows what they think and what they are going to do. If anything, Belichick is keeping every option open and is not set on any specific player and will react to an ever changing situation.
    And then everybody including me will be baffled, as usual.

  15. coazmnfbguy says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:51 pm
    touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    1. SF can’t keep JimmyG. Their cap position is not good. They also recently inquired about Teddy Bridgewater. Do the math.

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    The folks at Overthecap.com have apparently done the math and they list the 49ers as being more than $23 million below the cap. They obviously still could move Jimmy G (and save another $23 million vs. the cap), but it doesn’t appear they have to.

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    They have guys who are due. You don’t get it. You just look at the upcoming season when looking at a team’s cap. Rookies alone cost 7-8 million.

    Thanks.

  16. This would not have happened if the niners weren’t so anxious to pay jimmy g. But we welcome jimmy to the club.

    Regards,

    Matt flynn
    Carson
    Albert H.

  17. No way. All that money? Draft assets? Injury prone? No way. Smokescreen.

    Mac Jones will be a Patriot with pick #15. Book it.

  18. Substandard qb play 2 years in a row? Brady with no weapons…man I am not a NE fan at all but that is disrespect to the GOAT. The truth is, BB consistently did not build a roster and still succeeded with Brady. Brady made that team. Ignore your mediocre future…I have been living in it for 26 years. It is called denial bud. You dont just replace Brady. He went to another team and lead them to a Super Bowl…your team did not make the post season. I wish there was a pill for us both. I guess I will just keep drinking and saying the cowboys are on the cusp every year for 26…Trust in JJ is your Trust in BB.

  19. nastysavage says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:50 pm
    Aren’t most acl tears non contact? Niners cap is at 24 mil and rising with cuts coming. Flo at it again with the jimmy hate.

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    Hair plug Curran is close to hairplug Brady. Curran has been feeding Florio for a while now. Curran said Brady felt “marginalized” in 2019, after skipping otas 2 years in a row to “spend time with family” as he was off golfing with pro golfers.

    So, the fact is, these “insider” turds who get info from players which is how these rumors or garbage narratives start, are not really accurate.

    The fact of the matter is, BB really liked JimmyGs development and then was forced to trade him because BB was ready to walk from Brady after 2017.

    Brady knew it, pouted through 2018 with some horrible qb work into December that year, where clearly there was a meeting where Brady finally starting following orders and playcalls instead all defenses knowing Brady wanted to make it about Brady and his ego.

    It worked, Brady bottled up the ego and they won one last SB, but that ego problem of Brady’s wasn’t going away.

  20. jameshodges says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:08 pm
    Patriots fans are funny. The AFC East is not getting easier, it’s becoming a lot more competitive. Good luck finding a great quarterback. They don’t grow on trees. Belichick is a below average general manager who found gold maybe four times in twenty years.

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    How is the greatest GM in sports history, “below average”?

    How do below average GMs form dynasties in the Cap Era? Do you realize how dumb you sound?

    Go ask Peyton Manning, Rodgers or Brees how they feel about their middling GMs.

    Thanks again. lmao

    Our country is littered with imbeciles.

  21. I’m so tired of hearing about Jimmy G and how the Championship game against the Packers was managed. The Niners averaged 6.8 yards a carry that day, and Green Bay could do nothing to stop it. Why wouldn’t you run the ball every play if you’re gaining seven yards a clip?! C’mon Florio!

  22. fanfrommontreal says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:09 pm
    With the Patriots and Belichick being notoriously close-to-the-vest players, there is no way that any journalist actually knows what they think and what they are going to do. If anything, Belichick is keeping every option open and is not set on any specific player and will react to an ever changing situation.
    And then everybody including me will be baffled, as usual.

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    This is also correct. Bedard sometimes gets info but he also speculates on top of the info he gets, hoping to be right. He is an overweight, arrogant mediahead who is nevee held accountable. I exposed the daylights out of him in an email exchange in late 2018, and he blocked me due to embarrasswent. I still have the emails.

  23. Belichick is a broken record after every trade or signing: “It was good value”. Then he talks up the acquisition without salivating.

    Facts:

    The Patriots need a QB.

    Ist round QBs are rarely good value. Defensive linemen are.

    Jimmy G knows the system and Belichick can assess his value but Bill also says that one of the most important part of a player’s game is being available to play (healthy and well prepared). Garappolo is lacking in that last category and would have a high salary unless cut.

    Bill drafts QBs in the 3rd through 7th rounds and I don’t see him breaking that trend. I also expect him to surprise in the veteran QB he signs.

  24. I think NE should get Minshew or Fitzmagic as well but we will see …

  25. The NFL has become nothing but Kabuki Theater with the granting of huge contracts to players, and then after a couple of years, come slinking back to the player to take less money or face getting cut.
    We see this over & over again.
    When will players realize that teams have no interest or intent to pay the entirety of their so-called “big money contracts”?
    Giveth & taketh away.

  26. sadcowboy says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:18 pm
    Substandard qb play 2 years in a row? Brady with no weapons…man I am not a NE fan at all but that is disrespect to the GOAT. The truth is, BB consistently did not build a roster and still succeeded with Brady. Brady made that team. Ignore your mediocre future…I have been living in it for 26 years. It is called denial bud. You dont just replace Brady. He went to another team and lead them to a Super Bowl…your team did not make the post season. I wish there was a pill for us both. I guess I will just keep drinking and saying the cowboys are on the cusp every year for 26…Trust in JJ is your Trust in BB.

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    Actually, Brady cupcaked to a team that had better talent on offense during a pandemic and didn’t want to wait for a rebuild due to ego. Good for him. He also needed the refs to hand him 14 points in that first half as the country shut down their tvs at halftime seeing what Goodell was doing with the worst ratings in decades.

    BB made Brady. Not Brady’s high school coach or Lloyd Carr at Michigan. You can keep sounding dumb all you want. You still look dumb saying it.

    Brady was atrocious going into the SB with 5 ints. Atrocious. His Ds won the last 2 SBs allowing a combined 12 points and numerous short fields and turnovers. Congrats to the Ds for Brady’s last 2 sb rings as he did very little which I am sure stung in NE. He didn’t like that.

    It is a team sport. Brady owes his mlillions and status to BB. Brady was a gangly, out of shape 6th rd pick who knew very little about the sport and even started late. Try to get the facts.

    The 2nd greatest pick behind Brady or Kraft using a 1st on BB was Garoppolo because it scared Brady to keep his job after hot garbage postseasons from 2007-2012. Some of us weren’t in outer space when this stuff factually happened. BB worked daily with Jimmy like he did Brady. JimmyG would also be better in NE than he would be in SF for very obvious reasons…The GM and Coach.

  27. March 6, 2021 at 5:51 pm
    touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    1. SF can’t keep JimmyG. Their cap position is not good. They also recently inquired about Teddy Bridgewater. Do the math.

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    The folks at Overthecap.com have apparently done the math and they list the 49ers as being more than $23 million below the cap. They obviously still could move Jimmy G (and save another $23 million vs. the cap), but it doesn’t appear they have to.

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    They have guys who are due. You don’t get it. You just look at the upcoming season when looking at a team’s cap. Rookies alone cost 7-8 million.

    Thanks.

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    I believe I get it. Teams have to leave anywhere from $10-15 million each year for draft picks, trade flexibility and injury replacements. With that, they’re still under the cap this year by more than $10 million. Even with what is a relatively high dead cap number, they’re still one of the top 10 teams in terms of available cap space.

    I’m not trying to get into any kind of argument. Not my thing. I’m just trying to look at the numbers and determine if statements are true.

    Thanks

  28. Jimmy G tore his ACL….but it was a NON_CONTACT injury.
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    ACL tears are non contact a lot or the time.

  29. Jimmy G tore his ACL….but it was a NON_CONTACT injury.
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    ACL tears are non contact a lot of the time.

  30. That so called greatest general manager in sports history has zero rings without Brady, as a head coach. He drafted Vince Wilfork, Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Devin McCourty, Julian Edelman, and Dont’a Hightower. Those were his best draft picks over the course of 20 years, period. It’s not debatable. Remember Aaron Dobson, Brock Williams, N’keal Harry, Stevan Ridley, Ryan Mallet, and several others? He inherited a roster in 2000 that already had Adam Vinatieri, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Tedi Bruschi, Willie McGinest, and other talented players.

  31. touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:02 pm

    “The whole “he can’t stay healthy” argument is a bad one. Brady missed an entire year to an ACL tear, too.”

    Gotta laugh. He has missed as many games in five years in multiple years as Brady has in 18 years. They guy just can’t help himself.

  32. Eddie D would have cut him at 8am Monday after overthrowing an easy go-ahead TD in the Super Bowl. Dude is never gonna deliver the prize, he’s too inconsistent.

  33. I didn’t know that most ACL tears are non-contact. Thanks for pointing that out.

    Having said that, just look at the QBs that seem to stay injury free. They tend to not run much…and the ones that do run, take small steps that keep their feet under their body.

    I think that teams, like the Niners, could help reduce injuries by teaching players, especially the quarterbacks, to run with smaller steps.

  34. touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:02 pm
    I love how Tom Curran and Florio are hellbent at trying to mock BB in every single Pats related article.

    The whole “he can’t stay healthy” argument is a bad one. Brady missed an entire year to an ACL tear, too.

    Let me make this really clear:

    If NE gets JimmyG, the opt outs come back, they are at worst, at worst, a 10-6 team more like 11-5 or 12-4 with that secondary, that OL, the RBs and those Special Teams and coaching stafff with 70 mil in cap space.

    They’re sitting on 3 good looking drafts in a row and have had substandard qb play 2 years in a row.

    Do the the math. NE wins the division if Garoppolo returns and helps groom Stidham.

    Cam Newton was by far and away the worst qb in the league last year and can’t throw a football consistently accurate or on time. JimmyG can. End of discussion.
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    Yes, cannot stay healthy. Yet you compared his missed games to Brady? Garoppolo has missed more games due to injury over the last three seasons then Brady has over the previous 20 seasons. Garoppolo mentoring Stidham will fix him, right? Tell me again how Stidham was there with Brady for a whole season. Stidham still sucked. Due the math? I guess you’re planning on a perfect world. You do realize the teams they play will also be trying to get better. Yes, the Pats have a ton of cap room. They also have some players they need to sign again and don’t have to pay a QB, yet. I’m willing to bet that players won’t be giving a discount to come and play for the Pats either.

  35. 49ers give Vikes 1st rd pick for Cousins, Vikes trade Crappalo to Pats for 3rd rd pick, 49ers and Pats eat salary

  36. coazmnfbguy says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:52 pm
    March 6, 2021 at 5:51 pm
    touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:14 pm

    1. SF can’t keep JimmyG. Their cap position is not good. They also recently inquired about Teddy Bridgewater. Do the math.

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    The folks at Overthecap.com have apparently done the math and they list the 49ers as being more than $23 million below the cap. They obviously still could move Jimmy G (and save another $23 million vs. the cap), but it doesn’t appear they have to.

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    They have guys who are due. You don’t get it. You just look at the upcoming season when looking at a team’s cap. Rookies alone cost 7-8 million.

    Thanks.

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    I believe I get it. Teams have to leave anywhere from $10-15 million each year for draft picks, trade flexibility and injury replacements. With that, they’re still under the cap this year by more than $10 million. Even with what is a relatively high dead cap number, they’re still one of the top 10 teams in terms of available cap space.

    I’m not trying to get into any kind of argument. Not my thing. I’m just trying to look at the numbers and determine if statements are true.

    Thanks

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    Umm, ya just proved you don’t get it. Most of the owners and GMs operate like there is no cap. It’a been going on for years. Horrible contracts, almost giddy to spend way more like it is some badge of honor. These silver spooned second gen owners are morons. All they did was inherit daddy’s money like the former potus. Not impressive.

    So, SF in the “top” of cap space isn’t saying much when 90% of the league is in a very poor cap position as a whole.

    You must have missed your deductive logic classes in college, if you even went to college. lol

  37. The patriots receivers are such a joke that maholmes would be mediocre on their offense. Maybe the patriots should get be roethlisberger because he has the midas touch to turn middle round receivers into all pros.

  38. Christopher Allan says:
    March 6, 2021 at 7:11 pm
    touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 5:02 pm
    I love how Tom Curran and Florio are hellbent at trying to mock BB in every single Pats related article.

    The whole “he can’t stay healthy” argument is a bad one. Brady missed an entire year to an ACL tear, too.

    Let me make this really clear:

    If NE gets JimmyG, the opt outs come back, they are at worst, at worst, a 10-6 team more like 11-5 or 12-4 with that secondary, that OL, the RBs and those Special Teams and coaching stafff with 70 mil in cap space.

    They’re sitting on 3 good looking drafts in a row and have had substandard qb play 2 years in a row.

    Do the the math. NE wins the division if Garoppolo returns and helps groom Stidham.

    Cam Newton was by far and away the worst qb in the league last year and can’t throw a football consistently accurate or on time. JimmyG can. End of discussion.
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    Yes, cannot stay healthy. Yet you compared his missed games to Brady? Garoppolo has missed more games due to injury over the last three seasons then Brady has over the previous 20 seasons. Garoppolo mentoring Stidham will fix him, right? Tell me again how Stidham was there with Brady for a whole season. Stidham still sucked. Due the math? I guess you’re planning on a perfect world. You do realize the teams they play will also be trying to get better. Yes, the Pats have a ton of cap room. They also have some players they need to sign again and don’t have to pay a QB, yet. I’m willing to bet that players won’t be giving a discount to come and play for the Pats either.

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    I didn’ compare JimmyG to Brady at all other than pointing to each having an acl tear. One guy has played 20 years under BB and was trained by BB. Brady wasn’t made in a garage with power tools like you idiots think. It’s mortifying to see you people who were likely in diapers in 2001 try to tell the rest of us who watched game manager Brady backed by superb D and STs, somehow be some stud #1 overall draft pick that fell into BBs lap.

    The only comparison is BB trained both Brady and JimmyG daily. No other qb got that treatment. Get it? Other qbs have played in sbs besides Tom Brady. And most of his sbs were won by his defenses, not the offense he led.

    Fact.

  39. jameshodges says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:56 pm
    That so called greatest general manager in sports history has zero rings without Brady, as a head coach. He drafted Vince Wilfork, Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Devin McCourty, Julian Edelman, and Dont’a Hightower. Those were his best draft picks over the course of 20 years, period. It’s not debatable. Remember Aaron Dobson, Brock Williams, N’keal Harry, Stevan Ridley, Ryan Mallet, and several others? He inherited a roster in 2000 that already had Adam Vinatieri, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Tedi Bruschi, Willie McGinest, and other talented players.

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    Why did you leave all the all pro level
    draft picks off the list from 2009-2010 to 2016 off the list or even the good draft picks or udfas and trades like the fleecing of Detroit for Van Noy?

    Joe Thuney is so good he had to be tagged. BBs drafts were so good to form the 2nd dynasty he had to deal Chandelr Jones to
    yield Joe Thuney. See how dumb you look? Changing or rewriting history means you’re a liar or a buffoon. Or, both.

    The idea Brady played 11 positions on both sides of the ball is the logic of a 5 year old child. Congratulations.

    Go ask Ty Law and Bruschi who made their careers…They’ll tell you BB made them the best they could be, not Pete Freaking Carroll. Try again.

  40. Why would Jimmy G wanna go back there? The team skill position level is like Old Mother Hubbard’s cupboard.

  41. So no matter how much cap space the niners have they’re still in trouble according to some of these comments….the bias is showing like a summer sun in texas.

  42. This makes it past the moderators?

    BB made Brady. Not Brady’s high school coach or Lloyd Carr at Michigan. You can keep sounding dumb all you want. You still look dumb saying it.

    I don’t mind it…I just get censored for so much less.

    Truth is d bag 6, Beli has been bailed out by TB his whole career. He wont win another playoff and will go away in 2 years with his tail tucked. Then you can make all the excuses you want just like you are now. BB did great before Tommy didn’t he.

  43. Go ask Peyton Manning, Rodgers or Brees how they feel about their middling GMs.

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    Touchback6,

    According to you, Manning, Rodgers or Brees are idiots, because Brady’s “easy” plays saved tons of money for Belichick to build defense.

  44. Go ask Ty Law and Bruschi who made their careers…They’ll tell you BB made them the best they could be

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    Touchback6,

    It is Brady’s top 10 offense that made them relevant.

    Ever ask when Devin White wasn’t even selected into pro bowl?

  45. The idea Brady played 11 positions on both sides of the ball is the logic of a 5 year old child.

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    Touchback6,

    That is extremely idiotic comment.

    Do you know the difference between “he did all” and “he was the difference”?

  46. touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:21 pm
    jameshodges says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:08 pm
    Patriots fans are funny. The AFC East is not getting easier, it’s becoming a lot more competitive. Good luck finding a great quarterback. They don’t grow on trees. Belichick is a below average general manager who found gold maybe four times in twenty years.

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    How is the greatest GM in sports history, “below average”?

    How do below average GMs form dynasties in the Cap Era? Do you realize how dumb you sound?

    Go ask Peyton Manning, Rodgers or Brees how they feel about their middling GMs.

    Thanks again. lmao

    Our country is littered with imbeciles.

    For some unknown reason I get booted out of PFT comments all the time. I think am I being offensive or disrespectful then I read comments like this and think nope, that isn’t it. Apparently there really are no standards and it’s a crapshoot on what or what isn’t deleted.

  47. What all pro players on the Patriots? I was talking strictly about drafting. Belichick inherited a talented Patriots team in 2000, and that is indeed an undeniable fact. Ty Law and Tedy Bruschi don’t stay on the Patriots without Brady taking less money all those years. I can easily list thirty more busts that Bill was responsible for drafting. I remember Bill moving on from Danny Amendola, Randy Moss, Antonio Brown, and Lawyer Milloy. If Brady can’t win super bowls with awful receivers, do you think guys like Cam Newton and Jared Stidham will? Touchback6 won’t get it until Belichick has more losing seasons without Brady.

  48. As a lifelong Packers fan I’ll tell you first hand that Garoppolo passing only 8 times in that NFC championship game was not an indictment against him whatsoever. They ran the ball down our throats and we had nothing in our arsenal to stop it. It was an excellent game plan. If something is working exceptionally well AND helping you to keep your quarterback upright you keep going with it until it stops working. And unfortunately for us, it never stopped working that night.

    *not an endorsement of Garoppolo, there’s plenty of qualms to have against Garoppolo being a “Franchise Quarterback”, but that game plan is not one of them.

  49. touchback6, when September rolls around and Jimmy G is still on the Niners, I’ll come looking for you. Thanks.

  50. Never have I seen someone so desperate for attention as this clown. Severe case of NPD.

  51. William Lee says:
    March 6, 2021 at 8:30 pm
    The idea Brady played 11 positions on both sides of the ball is the logic of a 5 year old child.

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    Touchback6,

    That is extremely idiotic comment.

    Do you know the difference between “he did all” and “he was the difference”?

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    Who drafted, developed and promoted Tom Brady?

  52. William Lee says:
    March 6, 2021 at 8:18 pm
    Go ask Peyton Manning, Rodgers or Brees how they feel about their middling GMs.

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    Touchback6,

    According to you, Manning, Rodgers or Brees are idiots, because Brady’s “easy” plays saved tons of money for Belichick to build defense.

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    In 2010, Tom Brady was made the highest paid qb in nfl history. Try again, Willie.

    What’s next, Brady’s coach at Sierra High ot Lloyd Carr are superior football minds to that of BB?

    Your Brady Underoos are out of the dryer and ready for bedtime.

  53. jameshodges says:
    March 6, 2021 at 8:52 pm
    What all pro players on the Patriots? I was talking strictly about drafting. Belichick inherited a talented Patriots team in 2000, and that is indeed an undeniable fact. Ty Law and Tedy Bruschi don’t stay on the Patriots without Brady taking less money all those years. I can easily list thirty more busts that Bill was responsible for drafting. I remember Bill moving on from Danny Amendola, Randy Moss, Antonio Brown, and Lawyer Milloy. If Brady can’t win super bowls with awful receivers, do you think guys like Cam Newton and Jared Stidham will? Touchback6 won’t get it until Belichick has more losing seasons without Brady.

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    Matt Cassell in 2008 and 11-5 say hello.

    Will there be no otas, mini camp and preseason this year too, to help your cute and absolutely moronic premise along?

    BB somehow is not a good coach or master architecht in teambuilding. You’re oh so smart.

  54. Who drafted, developed and promoted Tom Brady?

    ——————-

    Touchback6,

    Without Brady, Belichick would be fired in 2001.

    “Look away from intended receivers after snap to fool defenders or freeze defenders for a fraction of one second”.

    That is how Brady turned Pats offense around in 2001, which HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH Belichick.

  55. MiaButtreeks says:
    March 6, 2021 at 9:13 pm
    touchback6, when September rolls around and Jimmy G is still on the Niners, I’ll come looking for you. Thanks.

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    If that happens, SF will be making a collosal mistake renting a player who is a free agent after 2021.

    He’s a good qb. Has nothing do with what I said.

  56. Matt Cassel threw 21 touchdowns to 11 interceptions on the 2008 Patriots, whereas he threw 27 touchdowns to 7 interceptions on the 2010 Chiefs. He took over a team that went 18-1 the season prior, and the Patriots had an easy schedule that season. Look at who they lost to: the Chargers, Jets, Colts, Steelers, and Dolphins. Four of those teams were playoff contenders. They couldn’t even beat the Dolphins to win their own division. No, that isn’t good. Belichick has not even made a super bowl as a head coach without Brady.

  57. William Lee says:
    March 6, 2021 at 9:32 pm
    Who drafted, developed and promoted Tom Brady?

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    Touchback6,

    Without Brady, Belichick would be fired in 2001.

    “Look away from intended receivers after snap to fool defenders or freeze defenders for a fraction of one second”.

    That is how Brady turned Pats offense around in 2001, which HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH Belichick.

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    lol!!!

    Yes, no other qb does this.

    This is priceless stuff, people! “He looked the wr off”.

    Brady invented the automobile, too! bawahaha! abawahaha!

    It cannot be made up. It just can’t. Look, Tom is a good looking guy. We get it, Willie.

  58. jameshodges says:
    March 6, 2021 at 8:52 pm
    What all pro players on the Patriots? I was talking strictly about drafting. Belichick inherited a talented Patriots team in 2000, and that is indeed an undeniable fact. Ty Law and Tedy Bruschi don’t stay on the Patriots without Brady taking less money all those years. I can easily list thirty more busts that Bill was responsible for drafting. I remember Bill moving on from Danny Amendola, Randy Moss, Antonio Brown, and Lawyer Milloy. If Brady can’t win super bowls with awful receivers, do you think guys like Cam Newton and Jared Stidham will? Touchback6 won’t get it until Belichick has more losing seasons without Brady.

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    BB took over a cap disaster!! Do you know anything about the history of the team? My goodness.

  59. Put down the Kool-aid, Jimmy isn’t Brady. You’re not going to experience the same level of success. Brady masked and elevated that team. As well, Brady was hurt one year, while Jimmy has been hurt almost each season he’s played. Shannahan can make almost any QB look good, and he’ll get more exposed outside of that bubble.

  60. Yes, no other qb does this.
    ——————————
    Touchback6,

    “Look away from intended receivers after snap to fool defenders or freeze defenders for a fraction of one second”.

    If Belichick had taught Brady, he would be able to teach Bledsoe, Matt Cassel, Jimmy Garapolo without any problem.

    You can search for such plays by other QB, like Peyton, Brees and Rodgers, they almost never did it, but Brady did almost every game, several time.

    For exmaple, Brady’s first pass ever in SB in 2002, from own 3 yard line, which created space for Troy Brown for easy YAC and 1st down.

  61. BB took over a cap disaster!!
    ———————————
    Touchback6,

    That is why Belichick was not as good as you think.

    Brady didn’t need top paid WR, didn’t need top paid O-line, took pay cut, who couldn’t give such a QB a stable and decent WR? Only Belichick, not even Rich Kotite

    He spent so much money and resource on defense, but Pats couldn’t rely on his defense to win back to back playoff game. Is this what you expected from a genius?

    Get the picture?

  62. William Lee says:
    March 6, 2021 at 9:52 pm
    BB took over a cap disaster!!
    ———————————
    Touchback6,

    That is why Belichick was not as good as you think.

    Brady didn’t need top paid WR, didn’t need top paid O-line, took pay cut, who couldn’t give such a QB a stable and decent WR? Only Belichick, not even Rich Kotite

    He spent so much money and resource on defense, but Pats couldn’t rely on his defense to win back to back playoff game. Is this what you expected from a genius?

    Get the picture?

    0 0 Rate This

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    Umm, no he didn’t. The rules changed to favor offenses so he started investing in offense first. Moss, Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, the Olines were always top 5 in the league and still is. Scarnecchia might be the first non-head coach ever into Canton. Ivan Fears? The best RB coach in football.

    Brady was spoiled to the moon and back.

    There are very few seaaons NEs D and STs groups were not top 10.

    Vinatieri will be a HOF kicker who helped win the first 3 SBs.

    BB set it all up, not Giselle’s husband. Brady was certainly a huge factor, but to pretend this is boxing, gold or tennis is hilarious. Brady also was god awful in the 2007 and 2011 postseasons acting more interested in Giselle than managing a postseasob game properly, ignoring a run game and throwing 100% from the shotgun, his preference because he can “see better”.

    Great! The only problem was, he was very predictable. Predictably middling until his job was stake when BB drafted JimmyG.

    Nigh night, Willie. Sleep tight.

  63. The rules changed to favor offenses so he started investing in offense first.
    ———————————

    Brady was able to turn cheap receivers into play makers SINCE 2001.

    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell.

  64. Bill Belichick didn’t draft Adam Vinatieri. Once again, you’re giving credit to Bill when he doesn’t entirely deserve it. The Patriots started off 1-2 in 2001, and he was on the hot seat. He already had Tedy Bruschi, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Drew Bledsoe, Willie McGinest, Lawyer Milloy, and several other talented players on the team. However, the team finished 5-11 in 2000. He didn’t draft any of these players, and if you want to give Belichick credit for drafting and developing Brady, why did he wait until the 6th round to draft the greatest quarterback of all time? Brady never needed Bill.

    Like any other quarterback, he just needed some talent around him. He helped Michigan overcome two 14 point deficits to win in overtime of the 2000 Orange Bowl, and the guy just won a 7th ring. He has always been a champion. There’s only so much a coach can do. How could a defensive minded coach who had lots of bad offenses develop a sixth round quarterback? Face it, Brady was very underrated in college. That scoring defense in 2011 was ranked like 15th, and they ranked 31st in total yards allowed. That’s what Tom had to work with in 2011.

  65. No Garoppolo will not return to the Patriots and it’ll be so nice when this nonsense finally ends, who am I kidding it will never end. Garoppolo started 19 games and went to a SB. The injuries he’s suffered are not related and he came back and played through a high ankle sprain in 3 weeks. Shanahan likes this guy he’s going nowhere.

  66. Fact: Nobody ever predicts the Patriots correctly. EVER. They still won’t this year, either.

  67. Oh please god no. No Jimmy or Cam Newton please Jimmy is talented but can’t stay healthy and throws the most stupid picks I’ve ever seen. No thanks.

  68. It’s not the performance against the Vikings or the game plan against the Packers that was the issue for me. The part that bothered me about his post season performance was over throwing a wide open WR in the SB on that deep post. That should have been a TD that would have have gotten his team back in the game.

  69. Touchback6,

    Without Brady, Belichick would be fired in 2001.
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    Highly doubtful. If the team showed no progress by end of 2002 then maybe his seat warms up a bit.

    Moving ahead to 2021, BB needs to have his team show some improvement by the end of this season or the same thing will happen. All coaches have a best before date especially ones who are also GM.

  70. The Patriots started off 1-2 in 2001, and he was on the hot seat.
    ——
    Nah not really. After what they traded to the Jets to get him extremely unlikely Bill would only get one season to turn it around. Especially with Kraft as owner.

  71. BB only wants JG because he’s the strongest connection available to TB’s time in NE-a time when BB didn’t feel the pressure he does now. I’m not saying BB wants Brady back, I’m saying he wants to feel comfortable again, and an easy way to get that is by reconnecting with someone from the glory days.

  72. However it happened here in New england, it happened. 20 years of raking leaves and listening to the games, going to bars and cheering along with friends.. what a run. Tb12 greatness, BB genius, Malcolm Butler.. it was great.

  73. Sorry Bills win the division

    >>>Do the the math. NE wins the division if Garoppolo returns and helps groom Stidham.

    Carson Wentz was by far the worst QB last year

    >>>Cam Newton was by far and away the worst qb in the league last year and can’t throw a football consistently accurate or on time. JimmyG can. End of discussion.

  74. Jimmy G just isn’t that great and at this point considered injury prone. They should see what it would take to bring Mariota in and build on the strength of that defense.

  75. >>>Do the the math. NE wins the division if Garoppolo returns and helps groom Stidham
    ——
    Stidham is not very good.

  76. Garoppolo coming back will show Belichick true genius, as Belichick and the Patriots will not got to playoffs in the next 4 years.

    Belichick is a great DC, very good coach, and horrible GM. He hit a jackpot with Brady, who turned Belichick from a $5mm coach to a $20+mm coach and presumably the GOAT coach. But the way Belichick treated Brady and others is just so pitiful. Why would any decent players want to come to NE? For what? higher pay, winning, respect, beach weather? What goes around comes around.

  77. Is there anything better then seeing Patriot fans trying to downplay Brady in a desperate attempt to convince themselves that Belichick is the more important of the 2.

  78. Not only did Belichick want to trade Rob Gronkowski to the Lions, he wanted to get rid of Brady. I believe he wanted to trade Brady to the 49ers for draft picks. Then, he would keep Jimmy Garoppolo. That’s why Kraft stepped in. You see? There’s no loyalty or reasoning with Bill. He was so careless on offense. Now that Bill doesn’t have daddy to get kick around anymore and take less money for the team, New England is now an ugly destination for free agents.

  79. Hopefully, BB is on his way out. Without Brady, he doesn’t look so hot. Cam Newton was such a big mistake. Jimmy is staying with the niners.

  80. @knucklejerky

    How many Pats fans downplay Brady?

    Pats fans, 99.99% of us, have been the only fan base that have been accurately pointing out for almost 15 years now that Tom Brady is the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time.

    We do not downplay his greatness.

    Patrick Mahomes looks like he has the talent and leadership ability to chase Brady, but that is a long shot.

  81. Patriot fans have been talking trash about garoppolo since he left and were on here cheering when he got injured. Why the hell would he want to go back there?

  82. Garoppolo mentoring Stidham will fix him, right? Tell me again how Stidham was there with Brady for a whole season. Stidham still sucked.
    ——
    Stidham has not improved in any way since he was drafted. He is exactly the same panicky QB he was at Auburn, we saw it in his relief appearances. He panics and makes awful decisions under pressure. Dude was sacked 11 times in a game against Clemson. That’s not a typo it really was eleven times. Most of those were on the QB.

    That is not something that can be coached out of him. It’s who he is and it’s exactly why teams said no thanks in the draft until the Patriots came calling in the 4th round.

    Unfortunately the Stidham ship has definitely sailed in NE. Best for the Patriots to look elsewhere.

  83. Brady was able to turn cheap receivers into play makers SINCE 2001.

    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell.
    ———

    Troy Brown had been in the League 7 years before Brady took over. Brady did squat for him.

    Deion Branch was a 2nd round pick

    Reche Caldwell was a 2nd round pick

  84. William Lee says:
    March 6, 2021 at 10:37 pm
    The rules changed to favor offenses so he started investing in offense first.
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    Brady was able to turn cheap receivers into play makers SINCE 2001.

    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell.
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    Troy Brown has no business being in a list like this. How long have you been a Patriots fan?

  85. Find it funny there’s these two camps in NE now. Brady vs Belichick. Fact IS they did it together like so many on other teams. Without the defenses in the first three, Brady doesn’t have three rings. Without a Pete Carroll horrible decision he doesn’t have another, without a strip sack he’s missing another. That’s no knock on Brady, he did his job and more in every Superbowl. He’s the GOAT, but to act like either did it on their own is foolish, very foolish. The only problems with Belichick is his drafting and his ego. His drafting prolly is sixty forty leaning towards misses. He sure hits more often the not in free agency and when cutting the TOUGH cuts as he doesn’t let heart enter in. Yes his ego does get in the way, but the guys the GOAT in terms of coaching and the good has always outweighed the bad. It came to an end, like so many others it just happens. Why can’t people and especially alot of Pats Nation just deal with that. I can and I’ve been a Pats fan long before the 20 year run of our dream material.

  86. jameshodges says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:56 pm
    That so called greatest general manager in sports history has zero rings without Brady, as a head coach. He drafted Vince Wilfork, Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Devin McCourty, Julian Edelman, and Dont’a Hightower. Those were his best draft picks over the course of 20 years, period. It’s not debatable. Remember Aaron Dobson, Brock Williams, N’keal Harry, Stevan Ridley, Ryan Mallet, and several others? He inherited a roster in 2000 that already had Adam Vinatieri, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Tedi Bruschi, Willie McGinest, and other talented players. Laughable belichick already had 2 rings as one of the brightest minds in the game and a defensive game plan in the hall of fame before brady was out of highschool lol .

  87. wintercoates87 says:
    “Fact IS they did it together like so many on other teams.”

    ——–

    I am not a NE fan but I appreciate a commonsensical comment. It’s nice to see a well-balanced perspective from a Patriots fan.

  88. James Hodges

    He inherited a roster in 2000 that already had Adam Vinatieri, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Tedi Bruschi, Willie McGinest, and other talented players.

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    How did this talented roster do the previous 3 seasons? 10-6, 9-7, 8-8.

    They were getting progressively worse every year. Even in BB’s first season they went 5-11. They had bad QB play and 90% of the roster, he inherited, was AWFUL. He knew they had to get worse to get better.

  89. James Hodges

    He inherited a roster in 2000 that already had Adam Vinatieri, Drew Bledsoe, Troy Brown, Ty Law, Tedi Bruschi, Willie McGinest, and other talented players.

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    Yeah, that roster was chock full of All-Pros!!! (sarcasm)

    Aside from Bledsoe, the rest of those guys you named had a total of 3 pro bowls before BB got to NE. He made them household names, not the other way around.

    And Bledsoe? You really need to go back and look at his stats before BB. The year before he threw 19 TDs/21 picks….the year before that 20/14 and BOTH years he was well under 60% completion. He wasnt lighting up the league.

  90. 6250claimer says:
    March 6, 2021 at 7:04 pm
    Eddie D would have cut him at 8am Monday after overthrowing an easy go-ahead TD in the Super Bowl. Dude is never gonna deliver the prize, he’s too inconsistent.

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    This has to be a joke, Eddie D would not tell Walsh what to do, and Walsh wouldn’t have unraveled in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl like Kyle and his team did. Honestly, you don’t think a Super Bowl QB has ever missed a throw? Do you think Jimmy was throwing from clean pockets with time? Tampa Bay kept their foot on the throat of Kansas City, unlike SF, because Arians and Bowles and Leftwhich showed no panic and believed in their players.

  91. The only problems with Belichick is his drafting and his ego.

    Tampa Bay Tommy has a huge ego too. Anyone who is GOAT in their sport at their position does.

  92. touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 6:41 pm
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    Actually, Brady cupcaked to a team that had better talent on offense during a pandemic and didn’t want to wait for a rebuild due to ego. Good for him. He also needed the refs to hand him 14 points in that first half as the country shut down their tvs at halftime seeing what Goodell was doing with the worst ratings in decades.

    BB made Brady. Not Brady’s high school coach or Lloyd Carr at Michigan. You can keep sounding dumb all you want. You still look dumb saying it.

    Brady was atrocious going into the SB with 5 ints. Atrocious. His Ds won the last 2 SBs allowing a combined 12 points and numerous short fields and turnovers. Congrats to the Ds for Brady’s last 2 sb rings as he did very little which I am sure stung in NE. He didn’t like that.

    It is a team sport. Brady owes his mlillions and status to BB. Brady was a gangly, out of shape 6th rd pick who knew very little about the sport and even started late. Try to get the facts.

    The 2nd greatest pick behind Brady or Kraft using a 1st on BB was Garoppolo because it scared Brady to keep his job after hot garbage postseasons from 2007-2012. Some of us weren’t in outer space when this stuff factually happened. BB worked daily with Jimmy like he did Brady. JimmyG would also be better in NE than he would be in SF for very obvious reasons…The GM and Coach.

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    BB made Brady? why is BB then 25-28 as Pats coach without Brady starting? And that’s with 48 of those 53 games started by a qb who went to a Pro Bowl? Brady led a 7 win team to a first year Super Bowl… doesn’t get more validating than that.

    Belichick and Brady needed each other, no shame in saying that.

  93. orangecrush207 says:
    March 7, 2021 at 1:44 pm
    Hopefully, BB is on his way out. Without Brady, he doesn’t look so hot. Cam Newton was such a big mistake
    —-
    It was a big mistake only if people think it was an either-or choice between Brady or Newton. It wasn’t really.

    Even with Cam’s problems last year he was a much better option than Jarrett Stidham and Brian Hoyer. I don’t think anything Bill saw last year that told Bill anything different.

  94. drunken brady says:
    March 7, 2021 at 6:39 pm
    Brady was able to turn cheap receivers into play makers SINCE 2001.

    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell.
    ———

    Troy Brown had been in the League 7 years before Brady took over. Brady did squat for him.

    Deion Branch was a 2nd round pick

    Reche Caldwell was a 2nd round pick

    =========================

    Branch, Caldwell, Givens all wilted after leaving

    Troy Brown was a nice player that became a Pro Bowler with Brady throwing to him. Mayve do a little research.

    Facts march on.

  95. If Belichick had taught Brady, he would be able to teach Bledsoe, Matt Cassel, Jimmy Garapolo without any problem.
    ———

    If not for an ill advised kick, Bledsoe was in position to win a Super Bowl.. and Brady may have never happened.

    Cassell went 10-5 the year Brady was hurt, and was flipped for a 2nd rounder

    Garoppolo was also traded for a #2, and… wait for it.. went to a Super Bowl

    I’m not about to call Belichick a QB guru.. but it sure doesn’t look like he has problems identifying talent at the position.

    .. there were much better options you could have named if you wanted to bring his credibility into question.

  96. He drafted Vince Wilfork, Tom Brady, Rob Gronkowski, Devin McCourty, Julian Edelman, and Dont’a Hightower. Those were his best draft picks over the course of 20 years, period
    ———

    Richard Seymour is better than nearly every guy you named there

    Matt Light
    Asante Samuel
    Logan Mankins
    Gostkowski
    Matthew Slater
    Jerod Mayo
    Chandler Jones… All-Pros

    Dan Koppen
    Matt Cassell
    Brandon Merriweather
    Jamie Collins… Pro Bowlers

  97. Facts march on
    ———

    They sure do.

    2nd round picks aren’t ‘cheap’ nobodys.

  98. drunken brady says:
    March 8, 2021 at 11:09 am
    If Belichick had taught Brady, he would be able to teach Bledsoe, Matt Cassel, Jimmy Garapolo without any problem.
    ———

    If not for an ill advised kick, Bledsoe was in position to win a Super Bowl.. and Brady may have never happened.

    Cassell went 10-5 the year Brady was hurt, and was flipped for a 2nd rounder

    Garoppolo was also traded for a #2, and… wait for it.. went to a Super Bowl

    I’m not about to call Belichick a QB guru.. but it sure doesn’t look like he has problems identifying talent at the position.

    .. there were much better options you could have named if you wanted to bring his credibility into question.


    Belichick is GOAT head coach but he was never a QB whisperer. If he was he’d turn Tebow into a star when he was in NE.

  99. This has to be a joke, Eddie D would not tell Walsh what to do, and Walsh wouldn’t have unraveled in the fourth quarter of a Super Bowl like Kyle and his team did
    ———

    Not so sure about that.

    Walsh walked away beacuse the job was a pressure cooker. Even having reached unprecedented heights.

    And Walsh took plenty of tough beats from Parcells and Gibbs. They were 1-and-done 3 years in a row before his last Super Bowl.

  100. Chill_Mickelson says:
    March 8, 2021 at 11:08 am
    drunken brady says:
    March 7, 2021 at 6:39 pm
    Brady was able to turn cheap receivers into play makers SINCE 2001.

    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell.
    ———

    Troy Brown had been in the League 7 years before Brady took over. Brady did squat for him.

    Deion Branch was a 2nd round pick

    Reche Caldwell was a 2nd round pick

    =========================

    Branch, Caldwell, Givens all wilted after leaving

    Troy Brown was a nice player that became a Pro Bowler with Brady throwing to him. Mayve do a little research.
    —-
    Eh that wasn’t really the reason why Troy Brown made the pro bowl that year.

  101. I saw the bad beat the 49ers took-it was from the Minnesota Vikings in that three year span you were talking about (1987). Montana got benched-I guess he is a scrub like Jimmy G then, right? Oh, he went on to win two more Super Bowls, so it may still be possible for Jimmy G? Ok then. All this Jimmy G nonsense is crazy town. It would serve Lynch/Shanahan/Jed York right if Jimmy went back to New England and they won a couple Super Bowls. Have a go with Sam Darnold who has never won a game of significance in his life.

  102. I saw the bad beat the 49ers took-it was from the Minnesota Vikings in that three year span you were talking about (1987). Montana got benched-I guess he is a scrub like Jimmy G then, right? Oh, he went on to win two more Super Bowls
    ———

    Belichick defenses derailed Montanas career. The back injury (’86) stuck with him for the duration of his career, the elbow injury (’89) cost him an entire season, ultimately, his job.

    I’m not taking shots at him. Wasn’t taking shots at Walsh either. Just saying, that run wasn’t as rosy as some would like to remember.

  103. drunken brady says:
    March 8, 2021 at 11:09 am
    If Belichick had taught Brady, he would be able to teach Bledsoe, Matt Cassel, Jimmy Garapolo without any problem.
    ———

    If not for an ill advised kick, Bledsoe was in position to win a Super Bowl.. and Brady may have never happened.

    Cassell went 10-5 the year Brady was hurt, and was flipped for a 2nd rounder

    Garoppolo was also traded for a #2, and… wait for it.. went to a Super Bowl

    I’m not about to call Belichick a QB guru.. but it sure doesn’t look like he has problems identifying talent at the position.

    .. there were much better options you could have named if you wanted to bring his credibility into question.

    ================

    Bledsoe was not good in the Packers Super Bowl. One kick was not overcoming FOUR picks.

    2008 Cassel Pats had a FIVE game drop off from 2007 and he played against only the 28th hardest schedule that year. And he had a better year with KC with a lesser offensive roster.

  104. GoodellMustGo says:
    March 8, 2021 at 11:42 am
    Chill_Mickelson says:
    March 8, 2021 at 11:08 am
    drunken brady says:
    March 7, 2021 at 6:39 pm
    Brady was able to turn cheap receivers into play makers SINCE 2001.

    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell.
    ———

    Troy Brown had been in the League 7 years before Brady took over. Brady did squat for him.

    Deion Branch was a 2nd round pick

    Reche Caldwell was a 2nd round pick

    =========================

    Branch, Caldwell, Givens all wilted after leaving

    Troy Brown was a nice player that became a Pro Bowler with Brady throwing to him. Mayve do a little research.
    —-
    Eh that wasn’t really the reason why Troy Brown made the pro bowl that year.

    ==============

    Troy Brown had career highs in catches, targets and tds in 2001. I think having Brady had something to do with it.

  105. drunken brady says:
    March 8, 2021 at 11:24 am
    Facts march on
    ———

    They sure do.

    2nd round picks aren’t ‘cheap’ nobodys.

    ===================

    Uh, there are literally loads of second rounders who end up as “nobodys”. And that besides the point, neither was as sucessful apart from Brady

    And Troy Brown had his best two years with Brady as qb… and was an 8th rounder

  106. touchback6 says:
    March 6, 2021 at 9:40 pm

    BB took over a cap disaster!! Do you know anything about the history of the team? My goodness.

    ================

    “took over a cap disaster”…. then promptly signs his qb to the largest contract in NFL history. ok.

  107. Troy Brown had career highs in catches, targets and tds in 2001. I think having Brady had something to do with it.
    —-
    The fact he was named to first team all pro in 2001 as a punt returner had a lot more to do with it. That wasn’t Brady.

    Brady didn’t make Troy Brown a playmaker. He already was. Fact.

  108. GoodellMustGo says:
    March 8, 2021 at 5:04 pm
    Troy Brown had career highs in catches, targets and tds in 2001. I think having Brady had something to do with it.
    —-
    The fact he was named to first team all pro in 2001 as a punt returner had a lot more to do with it. That wasn’t Brady.

    Brady didn’t make Troy Brown a playmaker. He already was. Fact.

    ===========================================

    His best years were far and away with Brady where he achieved WR1 on the Pats. His production went up both in the regular season and playoffs.

  109. “Do the the math. NE wins the division if Garoppolo returns and helps groom Stidham.”
    ___________

    Wins the division?! Their skill positions need a complete overhaul. They played 3 QBs last season and they ALL looked terrible. And the guy with the worst QB rating of them all was Stidham who still has never actually played well in a real game. The fact BB wouldn’t start him tells you all you need to know about how bad he must have looked in practice. Maybe with an offense with tons of talent he could be serviceable but that doesn’t describe NE right now.

  110. Frisco is banking on winning the Super Bowl with Jimmy G in 2021. They are not going to trade him. People who think that Frisco may cut Jimmy G. are rendezvousing with Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds and they are seeing girls with kaleidoscope eyes.

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