Rule proposal will give kicking team a better chance to recover onside kicks

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Since the NFL changed the kickoff rules to prohibit a running start by the kicking team, onside kicks have become much less successful. A new rule proposal aims to change that.

The proposed rule would require the receiving team to have no more than nine players lined up in the “setup zone,” which is defined as the area between 10 and 25 yards from the spot of the kickoff.

Currently, NFL teams always put either 10 or 11 players in the setup zone when they’re expecting the opposing team to onside kick. According to the NFL’s tracking data, receiving teams expecting an onside kick line up with 10 players in the setup zone 87 percent of the time, and all 11 players in the setup zone the other 13 percent of the time.

With only nine players in the setup zone, fewer players on the receiving team will be in a position to recover the onside kick, and the kicking team will have a better chance to get to the ball. The NFL is also considering the fourth-and-15 alternative to the onside kick, but regardless of whether that rule passes, this rule would make onside kicks more viable.

52 responses to “Rule proposal will give kicking team a better chance to recover onside kicks

  1. another proposal I think we should do:

    overtime like college football. each time gets the ball at the 25 yard line. GO!

  2. I prefer this to the 4-15 idea because this idea emphasize s special teams, while the 4-15 idea favors teams with a good passing game.
    Special teams has already been demphasized a lot with the 25 yardline touchback rule and limitation on blockers.

  3. The NFL should start from scratch and leave everything as it was when there was a fourteen (even 12) game schedule -including the original overtime. If you want to change something ban the NFL rules committee who are getting so out of touch with football it’s beyond ludicrous. P.S. Keep your Thursday night football and 17th game of the season and show the game and the players (who need the convalescence of a week to replenish their bodies) some respect. You’re killing the goose that is laying the golden eggs.

  4. Rule never should have been changed to begin with. It’s not like onsiders were ever dangerous. It didn’t need to be messed with when they changed the normal kickoff rules.

  5. Add another obscure rule to the rulebook. Football is a game written by lawyers. All these rules are ruining the game.

    For example, do you know the exceptions when chop blocks or helmet to helmet contact are legal? Try explaining this game to a newbie.

  6. The post above mine nailed it. The NFL changes rules just to change rules.
    I laugh whenever the NFL says it is changing rules to protect the players. Why? Because this is the same league which forces players to play on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday nights and makes them play games in Europe. And now it’s the same league which has added a 17th game to their already too long schedule, and is obviously going to go to 18 games soon. And it’s the same league which doesn’t allow every player on the 53 man roster to suit up and play on Sundays.
    I put part of the blame on the NFLPA for all of this, too. Their leaders see everything in terms of money, too, just like the owners.

  7. First fix the fumble out of the endzone rule!!!
    WORST RULE IN FOOTBALL!
    Give the the offense back the ball at the 10 yd line and a 1st down if they had gained it previous to fumble.

  8. This is good. The new kickoff rule broke the onside kick, making it virtually impossible to complete. This should make the odds a lot closer to what they were pre-change. Smart move. The idea to run a 4th and 15 play is asinine – the onside kick is exciting because when it’s not expected (Saints, Super Bowl 44) it can be a true game-changer. If it became a 4th and 15 play, the defense has been game-planning against such a scenario for a week.

  9. Stop. Just stop. Stop making it easier for teams that are behind to suddenly have an opportunity to catch up. I know it’s a risk/reward thing; most teams won’t do this in the first three quarters. But if you’re losing in the final five minutes you shouldn’t have an easier way to get the ball back.
    And don’t throw out , “well, play defense.” Make the OTHER team play defense and get the ball back that way.
    The only change that is even remotely reasonable is the spot and choose rule; and I’m not sure I agree with that.
    NFL is getting more and more stupid; both players AND owners.

  10. I’d prefer to just have to kick the ball 8 yards instead of 10. But this is better than nothing

  11. mikeyb says: “The NFL changes rules just to change rules. I laugh whenever the NFL says it is changing rules to protect the players. Why? Because this is the same league which forces players to play on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday nights and makes them play games in Europe. And now it’s the same league which has added a 17th game to their already too long schedule, and is obviously going to go to 18 games soon.”
    —————–

    ie. Get off my lawn!

    Fact – Games played on Thursday night have a statistically LOWER rate of injury.
    Fact – The CFL plays 18 games a year without whining. Guess Canadians are tougher.
    Fact – Every team has chartered planes now. Flying to Europe is nothing now for players. They’re not lining for 2-3 hours at the airport like us.

  12. The onside kick is a gimmicky, long shot of a play, the last resort for teams who are within striking distance of a tie or a win, usually because they were outplayed.

    Thatywhy it should stay a longshot a play, not made easier to convert.

  13. unfairbutbalanced says:
    April 3, 2021 at 9:16 am
    Add another obscure rule to the rulebook. Football is a game written by lawyers. All these rules are ruining the game.
    ___________

    Its not at all obscure. They changed the rule several years ago so that the kicking team had to have a certain number of players on each side of the ball. It would have made sense to also restrict the return team in terms of where they lined up as well. They are finally addressing the balance.

  14. Nope. If your team is relying on an onside kick, it means your team didn’t play well enough up to that point. You shouldn’t be rewarded for bad play.

  15. Put the ball on the 50. Each team selects one guy. They line up at the 45. Blow the whistle & whoever gets it, gets it. We did this in High School, way back when concussions were funny…

  16. I wish we could go back to the good old days fantasy that exists only in my head. Change is scary. Progress is for the weak.

  17. I used to play a card game called revolution. It was a game that essentially gave the winners of the previous hand advantage in the next, so winners had a strong advantage each hand. With one BIG exception. If you managed to get four cards of the same number, you could essentially call a revolution which flipped the value of all cards in the hand. The highest became the lowest and the lowest the highest. It was unlikely, but was the most exciting play in the game. On side kicks remind me of this a little. Low percentage and unlikely, but huge when you pull it off. Helps a team which seems like they have little chance of coming back in a game. I am all for figuring out how to make the on-side kick work in today’s game. I like it a lot better than making a QB equivalent play as that takes away a lot of the luck/chance in an on-side kick and advantages the team with a better passing game.

  18. The new rule is trying to solve a problem that was created by a rule change which stopped players from making running starts. After this rule change, may be they will need yet another new rule to solve a brand new problem. Eventually they will change things back to the way things were 50 years ago.

  19. The old onside kick rule lasted a long time. The new one was changed within a couple years. Obviously rules changes don’t always improve the game. But this new idea, if they must, isn’t going to make a whole lot of difference. They’ll probably change back to the original onside kick rule in a couple years, anyway. The 4th and 15 is horrible. The refs could throw a flag at their discretion, and then it would be the refs determining the outcome of the game. That’s the whole idea behind instant replay. Let the players decide who wins, not the refs. I just like the game of football. Offense vs. defense. I’m not big on special teams deciding games, or referees. Onside kicks at the end of a game are exciting once in a while, and the old rule was good. I don’t mind tinkering a little if it eliminates head on collisions, but don’t give the ball back to the offense with a free down, even if it is 4th and 15. That’s just way too easy. If you want the ball, tell your defense to go out and get it. Football has gotten so popular over the last 40 years. They really don’t need to fix it if it ain’t broke. Also if they make it too easy to go down and tie the game, it will result in more overtime games, and more injuries. So this actually causes more problems than it fixes.

  20. jasons81 says:
    April 3, 2021 at 6:43 am
    No… just no. You don’t have to tinker every freakin offseason.
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    In that case they shouldn’t have tinkered with it to begin with. Change it back to what it was. It is ridiculously hard to recover an onside kick now.

  21. chefboyd says:
    April 3, 2021 at 10:10 am
    mikeyb says: “The NFL changes rules just to change rules. I laugh whenever the NFL says it is changing rules to protect the players. Why? Because this is the same league which forces players to play on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday nights and makes them play games in Europe. And now it’s the same league which has added a 17th game to their already too long schedule, and is obviously going to go to 18 games soon.”
    —————–

    ie. Get off my lawn!

    Fact – Games played on Thursday night have a statistically LOWER rate of injury.
    Fact – The CFL plays 18 games a year without whining. Guess Canadians are tougher.
    Fact – Every team has chartered planes now. Flying to Europe is nothing now for players.
    —————————————————————————————–
    False- Go do some research

    CFL?– Really??

    False-Again, go do some research on how the players feel about flying to Europe.

  22. In the spirit of protecting all during COVID-19, the NFL should impose strict BMI limits on the players. No players over a BMI of 25 should be allowed on the field. Less mass, less injuries

  23. “chefboyd says:
    mikeyb says: “The NFL changes rules just to change rules. I laugh whenever the NFL says it is changing rules to protect the players. Why? Because this is the same league which forces players to play on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday nights and makes them play games in Europe. And now it’s the same league which has added a 17th game to their already too long schedule, and is obviously going to go to 18 games soon.”
    —————–

    ie. Get off my lawn!

    Fact – Games played on Thursday night have a statistically LOWER rate of injury.
    Fact – The CFL plays 18 games a year without whining. Guess Canadians are tougher.
    Fact – Every team has chartered planes now. Flying to Europe is nothing now for players. They’re not lining for 2-3 hours at the airport like us.””

    This reply, a thousand times over. People complaining about a 17 or 18 season don’t care one bit about the players’ safety. They just want something to complain about.

    Also, playing in London is no different than a east coast team having to travel to the west coast or vice-versa. And 99.99% of the people complaining about losing home games will never actually attend a game, so they shouldn’t care where the game is played.

  24. PFTSelectiveCensorship says: “False- Go do some research”

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    Research like this? Hayden P. Baker/Lee/Dayton/Terry/Tjong PMID 30848976.

    “Results: The all-cause injury rate during NFL Sunday and Monday Night Football games was found to be 7,598 per 1000 athletic exposures, while the all-cause injury rate during Thursday Night Football games was found to be 6,072 per 1,000 athletic exposures. The relative risk of injury during Thursday Night Football games was calculated to be 0.97 compared to Sunday and Monday night games. Therefore, the rate of injury during Thursday Night Football games was significantly less than the rate of injury during Sunday and Monday night games, despite the lack of additional recovery time.

    Conclusion: This study suggests that eliminating Thursday Night Football is unlikely to improve the statistical injury rate among NFL players.”

    or

    Jose R. Perez/Burke/Zalikha/Damodar/Geller/Buskard/Kaplan/Baraga PMID 32412782

    “Results: A total of 2846 injuries were identified throughout the 4 seasons. There was an overall significant difference in injuries per team-game between short, regular, and long rest (P = .01). With short rest, an observed mean of 1.26 injuries per game (95% CI, 1.06-1.49) was significantly different from the 1.53 observed injuries per game with regular rest (95% CI, 1.46-1.60; P = .03), but not compared with the 1.34 observed injuries per game with long rest (P = .56).

    Conclusion: A short rest period between games is not associated with increased rates of observed injuries reported in NFL game books; rather, our data suggest there are significantly fewer injuries for Thursday night games compared with games played on regular rest.”

  25. 4th-and 15, Only give the NFL and the refs more room to make a bad judgement call and screw a team over.

  26. In my opinion the best games are tight games. An onside kick should be tough to make (you are depriving the other team of the ball), but possible. That keeps the game interesting the hope for one more score vs a bunch of time killing run plays/kneel downs. Typcially teams that have played poorly are never in a position to need an onside kick, so I’m not sure where that line of thinking is coming from.

  27. chefboyd says:
    April 3, 2021 at 10:10 am
    mikeyb says: “The NFL changes rules just to change rules. I laugh whenever the NFL says it is changing rules to protect the players. Why? Because this is the same league which forces players to play on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday nights and makes them play games in Europe. And now it’s the same league which has added a 17th game to their already too long schedule, and is obviously going to go to 18 games soon.”
    —————–

    ie. Get off my lawn!

    Fact – Games played on Thursday night have a statistically LOWER rate of injury.
    Fact – The CFL plays 18 games a year without whining. Guess Canadians are tougher.
    Fact – Every team has chartered planes now. Flying to Europe is nothing now for players. They’re not lining for 2-3 hours at the airport like us.

    35 23 Rate This
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    Fact – Games played on a Thursday night have a statistically HIGHER chance of being trash.
    Fact – NFL fans don’t want the league to water down the product further.
    Fact – NFL fans don’t want the sport’s calendar turned into the NBA where too many regular season games are played to eliminate only half the teams from the playoffs. We’re almost there.

  28. Every time they create a rule like this, the Detroit Lions end up losing a game on it lol

  29. Making the game safer and playing more games are not mutually exclusive. If the game is safer, then more games is not a problem. Look at MLB and NBA: safer than NFL, exponentially more games.

    On another note, if the receiving team lines up 11 players within 15 yards of the kickoff, why doesn’t the kicking team kick deep and send speed guys to recover the ball for a TD?

  30. 4th. and 15……stupid !
    Could every team do this instead of a kickoff ?
    This will probably increase scoring , which I believe is already to high.
    Imagine Mahomes after KC kicks a FG then does the 4th. and 15. Pass interference will be as common as a completion.

  31. This is getting lie T-ball for 8-year olds.

    Next thing on the NFL’s list is participation trophies so no one gets their feelings hurt after they get a beat down.

  32. I like this idea. And the other one as well. The 4th and 15 one. Current situation is babyish.

  33. There is a reason the game is 60 minutes long. If you’re going to change the rules to make most of the game a long and often irrelevant prelude, you should start by renaming the NFL the NBA.

  34. Kicking team needs to be more creative once in a while. Try kicking a hard line drive and bounce it off the receiving team or pooch it beyond the line and block.

  35. If they are in the mood for changing rules, I’ll propose another one, somewhat similar than basketball (where every shot is awarded a different value of points ). Grade the field goals that are kicked according to distance ( i.e: 40 to 45 yards, one point, 45 to 50 two points, 50 to 55 three points and so on…)

  36. atahualpaoxford says:
    April 3, 2021 at 6:07 pm
    If they are in the mood for changing rules, I’ll propose another one, somewhat similar than basketball (where every shot is awarded a different value of points ). Grade the field goals that are kicked according to distance ( i.e: 40 to 45 yards, one point, 45 to 50 two points, 50 to 55 three points and so on…)
    ________________

    If anything, field goals should be worth more the closer you get to the goal line. But its actually perfect the way it is. And to your proposal of the different plays being worth a different number of points, the NFL already has that: the two point conversion.

  37. This works better than the 4th and 15 if you ask me. The onside kick is a relic of football from its origins and lends a level of excitement to the season that’s been lost in large part. I’d like to see it more part of the game again.

  38. i miss the days when the kicking team could overload one side and DESTROY the receivir team

  39. Gimmicks are best reserved for the xfl and minor league baseball

    I can get behind a few more bobblehead nights though. Stick with that

  40. I would onside every kick if I had that kind of advantage. You get an extra couple guys to recover the ball, the odds are in your favor. What’s next? No defensive backs inside the 20 on hail mary passes?

  41. Bring back real hits in football not this glorified flag football we have today.

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