After 21 years, Ernie Adams is retiring from Patriots, says he now joins Patriots fans

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick announced after the draft that it would be Ernie Adams’ last with the Patriots, and now Adams has confirmed he is retiring.

Adams, who was Belichick’s right-hand man as the team’s director of football research, says he now looks forward to being just a football fan.

“The last 21 seasons with the New England Patriots have been extraordinary for me,” Adams said in a statement. “I am fortunate to have been part of a team along with Bill Belichick, outstanding colleagues, patient owners, and a lot of great players. It is time for me to stop working and join the many wonderful fans who have been with us for this run.”

Adams was a municipal bonds trader before he worked for Belichick, first in Cleveland and then in New England. It’s never been clear what, specifically, Adams does, but many of the methods that sports statistical analysts use are rooted in the same methods bond traders use to analyze economic data.

81 responses to “After 21 years, Ernie Adams is retiring from Patriots, says he now joins Patriots fans

  1. Thanks Ernie for your contributions to the Patriots success!

    as a side note, I expect Mr. Lee to be camped out here all day.

  2. Malcolm Butler had been practicing the pick play before the SB against the Seahawks, and was thrown onto the field at the last second. I don’t think that was coincidental. I think there was a statistical probability the Seahawks might try it. Good call, Ernie

  3. Its rumored that Matt Patricia is going to take over whatever Ernie’s job was.

    I don’t think Bill ever publicly defined exactly what Ernie did.

  4. Being involved at the highest level of one of the greatest dynasties in sports history and still managed to keep his anonymity. That is one neat trick Mr. Adams. Great job.

  5. Thank you, Ernie.

    Adam’s identifying Seattle’s goal-line tendencies allowed Belichick to practice the exact play they would attempt at the end of the super bowl with the game on the line. No one expected Wilson not to handoff to Lynch, especially not Marshawn, but because Adams and Belichick prepared for the exception a rookie undrafted free agent who was inserted into the game after halftime had practiced that very play and made NFL history.

    Preparation and execution was the underlying mode of operation that lead to six super bowl victories in a 20-year span.

  6. He has a football mind, a photographic memory, and Bill’s trust.

    The stories from their time together starting in high school is all you need to know to understand that even if the guy signing his checks didn’t know what he did that Bill valued his mind.

  7. Unlike the rest of the fan base, when he’s insufferable he doesn’t have to PRETEND he had something to do with the team’s success.

  8. Thank you to a legend and one of the reasons why Goodell was hired to frame the Pats for doing something nefarious when they didn’t other than flipping off Mangini.

    Adams, BB, Brady and apparently Mac Jones all have various levels of a photographic memory wiich allows for real time recall to help in decision making.

    This is a part of what owners and other GMs and Coaches have been jealous of.

    Thank you, Ernie! Your wealth of knowledege and amazing memory will be missed!

  9. as a side note, I expect Mr. Lee to be camped out here all day.

    ——————–

    It is statistic.

    With so many championship games, statistically, definitely sometimes, opponents would play into your hands. Belichick’s believers just ignore the times Belichick’s defense failed to prepare, so to create some myth around Belichick.

    It is like pulling underwear up to nose to prove it smells good.

  10. bartholomew says:
    May 4, 2021 at 8:58 am
    He has a football mind, a photographic memory, and Bill’s trust.

    The stories from their time together starting in high school is all you need to know to understand that even if the guy signing his checks didn’t know what he did that Bill valued his mind.

    —-

    And he is a man of honor. For example, he lost a bet to BB and he actually adhered to the conditions of his bet. He didn’t attempt to move the goalposts to weasel out of it after he lost.

  11. If Jimmy Garappolo had played 33 minutes instead of 27 minutes, there would be lot of genius in 49ers. If Jared Goff had played better, there would be lot of genius in Rams

    BTW, Jason Licht is already considered as genius, so is Todd Bowles. Notice that only one Bucs defense was selected into pro-bowl? I am sure next year there will be 3 or 4 pro-bowlers from Bucs defense.

    Naive fans are easily brainwashed to buy into the myth, because of one play.

  12. If he’s such a brilliant and beautiful mind as people say then it’s actually kind of sad that he squandered it on bond trading and then football in general and the Patriots specifically instead of doing something of more value for society.

  13. All you people claiming to have photographic memories should high tail it to the nearest neurological center. You could make a lot of money. Because it doesn’t exist. The closest thing is an eidetic memory, which is not the same thing.

  14. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 9:09 am
    as a side note, I expect Mr. Lee to be camped out here all day.

    ——————–

    It is statistic.

    With so many championship games, statistically, definitely sometimes, opponents would play into your hands. Belichick’s believers just ignore the times Belichick’s defense failed to prepare, so to create some myth around Belichick.

    It is like pulling underwear up to nose to prove it smells good.

    2 21 Rate This

    ——————

    Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie? I think they might be.

    Don’t look now but primadonna Rodgers is acting how primadonna Brady acted. Our entire society is loaded with selfish jerks
    like this. Just turm on the news. It’s disgusting.

    You need serioua clinical help. My goodness. You and NHpats just need to drop the schtick of being Pats fans and just admit you’re this creepy middle/old aged man who has a creepy crush on Brady himself. From a 10 year old, it’s understandable. But, an adult?

    Good luck with the therapy. What’s next Brad was great with his chosen
    offense in postseasons from 2007-2012?

    His 5 ints, 3 vs GB in the title games was good football and he didn’t get his last 2 rings courtesy of creepy flags, a good run game and great D?

    I think the train stops in TB sooner than you think. Guaranteeing health, a good run game and a wink wink from Goodell for Brady in the SB itself is not an automatic.

    But, please go be a Bucs fan since they don’t really have any.

  15. I seem to recall that if the 49ers defense hadn’t run the length of the field to celebrate with the obligatory fake photo shot thinking the game was already won, they may have actually won! After ticking off the Chiefs they barely touched the ball on offense snd KC scored 21 unanswered points. I don’t remember Jimmy G playing ddd we defense that day.

  16. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 9:09 am

    It is statistic.

    With so many championship games, statistically, definitely sometimes, opponents would play into your hands. Belichick’s believers just ignore the times Belichick’s defense failed to prepare, so to create some myth around Belichick.

    It is like pulling underwear up to nose to prove it smells good.
    ==========

    So to recap, the coach with 6 SB rings and 9 SB appearances is just statistically lucky. LOL

  17. bigbluedeadhead says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:01 am
    If he’s such a brilliant and beautiful mind as people say then it’s actually kind of sad that he squandered it on bond trading and then football in general and the Patriots specifically instead of doing something of more value for society.
    ==========

    You know, regardless of personal happiness …

  18. So to recap, the coach with 6 SB rings and 9 SB appearances is just statistically lucky. LOL

    ————————
    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell, Wes Welker, Shane Vereen, Danny Amendola, Julian Edelmen, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, James White, etc.

    ZERO without a QB who had the skills to turn cheap receivers into top play makers. You need to think first.

  19. touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:16 am
    William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 9:09 am
    as a side note, I expect Mr. Lee to be camped out here all day.

    ——————–

    It is statistic.

    With so many championship games, statistically, definitely sometimes, opponents would play into your hands. Belichick’s believers just ignore the times Belichick’s defense failed to prepare, so to create some myth around Belichick.

    It is like pulling underwear up to nose to prove it smells good.

    2 21 Rate This

    ——————

    Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie? I think they might be.

    Don’t look now but primadonna Rodgers is acting how primadonna Brady acted. Our entire society is loaded with selfish jerks
    like this. Just turm on the news. It’s disgusting.

    You need serioua clinical help. My goodness. You and NHpats just need to drop the schtick of being Pats fans and just admit you’re this creepy middle/old aged man who has a creepy crush on Brady himself. From a 10 year old, it’s understandable. But, an adult?

    Good luck with the therapy. What’s next Brad was great with his chosen
    offense in postseasons from 2007-2012?

    His 5 ints, 3 vs GB in the title games was good football and he didn’t get his last 2 rings courtesy of creepy flags, a good run game and great D?

    I think the train stops in TB sooner than you think. Guaranteeing health, a good run game and a wink wink from Goodell for Brady in the SB itself is not an automatic.

    But, please go be a Bucs fan since they don’t really have any.

    —-

    The irony in all of this is you are really describing yourself and you man-crush you have on BB. It’s kind of creepy actually

  20. Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie?

    ————————-

    I am having fun with people like you who have insisted Belichick made Brady, even now, for 20 years.

    Do you like it?

  21. Oh, I’m sure he’ll do some freelance cheating here and there, no one ever completely retires

  22. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:48 am
    Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie?

    ————————-

    I am having fun with people like you who have insisted Belichick made Brady, even now, for 20 years.

    Do you like it?

    —-

    I genuinely think she was distressed when Brady chose Giselle over her

  23. nhpats2011 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:48 am
    touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:16 am
    William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 9:09 am
    as a side note, I expect Mr. Lee to be camped out here all day.

    ——————–

    It is statistic.

    With so many championship games, statistically, definitely sometimes, opponents would play into your hands. Belichick’s believers just ignore the times Belichick’s defense failed to prepare, so to create some myth around Belichick.

    It is like pulling underwear up to nose to prove it smells good.

    2 21 Rate This

    ——————

    Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie? I think they might be.

    Don’t look now but primadonna Rodgers is acting how primadonna Brady acted. Our entire society is loaded with selfish jerks
    like this. Just turm on the news. It’s disgusting.

    You need serioua clinical help. My goodness. You and NHpats just need to drop the schtick of being Pats fans and just admit you’re this creepy middle/old aged man who has a creepy crush on Brady himself. From a 10 year old, it’s understandable. But, an adult?

    Good luck with the therapy. What’s next Brad was great with his chosen
    offense in postseasons from 2007-2012?

    His 5 ints, 3 vs GB in the title games was good football and he didn’t get his last 2 rings courtesy of creepy flags, a good run game and great D?

    I think the train stops in TB sooner than you think. Guaranteeing health, a good run game and a wink wink from Goodell for Brady in the SB itself is not an automatic.

    But, please go be a Bucs fan since they don’t really have any.

    —-

    The irony in all of this is you are really describing yourself and you man-crush you have on BB. It’s kind of creepy actually

    ————-

    1. I can admit when BB has made a mistake and have disagreed plenty through the years. You cannot do this with Brady. Ever. Brady personally was terrible in the 2007 and 2011 postseasons, yet somehow all the new players on those teams were blamed.

    2. BB was under attack by the media the day he set foot in NE, is the architecht of all of this. The greatetlst trade in sports history, this side of Babe Ruth, is a 1st rd pick for BB. That’s a simple fact. BB then drafted and developed, then promoted Brady. Another fact. It truly appreciate everything and all he is responsible for.

    You, meanwhile, are ungrateful and a disgusting bandwagoner who only started following the team in the 2000s.

    My family has had season tix since 1978 and I grew up going to some games on those metal bleachers. You didn’t. You are a Johnny Come Lately who clearly has a deep rooted love for just Tom Brady.

    I love my TEAM. The team BB builds and coaches

    Good day, Mr Embarrassing Bandwagoner.

  24. tedmurph says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:07 am
    All you people claiming to have photographic memories should high tail it to the nearest neurological center. You could make a lot of money. Because it doesn’t exist. The closest thing is an eidetic memory, which is not the same thing.

    2 6 Rate This

    —————

    There are different levels or intensities of it.

    “How do you rememember that? “

    “I don’t know, I just do.”

    It’s not explainable. For me, it’s dates, numbers, history, associations, etc. I can rattle off when an album was released, where it was made, stc, etc, but I can’t memorize other things and have them stick. It’s not something that is programmable but it helped me as an athlete and it really helps in business and negotiations because I really don’t have to go back and look at data. It’s a powerful gift. Helps in poker, too.

    I know you think you’re the smartest guy in the room with a huge opinon of yourself and want BB to deliver you a Lombardi to your doorstep every year, little Teddy, but maybe you aren’t as great as you think you are, where others have skills you just don’t have.

  25. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:48 am
    Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie?

    ————————-

    I am having fun with people like you who have insisted Belichick made Brady, even now, for 20 years.

    Do you like it?

    1 4 Rate This

    —————

    Not as much as you and NHPats enjoy fantasizing over Brady’s panties in your Brady underoos?

    Say, hey, Willie! How many pairs of Brady Underoos do you own? One for each day of the week?

    Repeate after me: Brady sucked in 2007-2012 postseaaona after dumping his pregnant gf, meeting Giselle, almost built a house with a moat in LA, and then proceeded to choke it down in 2 sb losses vs the Giants, forcing BB to draft his successor after Brady told us he “preferree” the shotgun and no need for a run game. You can do it Willie!

    Brady was so awful and refusing to admit it himself, BB had Mike Lombardi write a scathing report from outside the organization.

    If BB doesn’t draft JimmyG and scare Brady into keeping his job, no way a 2nd dynasty was formed.

    BB won.

  26. I love my TEAM. The team BB builds and coaches

    ——————————-

    That is so funny, because with free agency splurge, Belichick basically admitted that the reason he could build the team in a way that no other coaches could was because he had Tom Brady.

  27. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:46 am

    Troy Brown, David Patten, Deion Branch, David Givens, Reche Caldwell, Wes Welker, Shane Vereen, Danny Amendola, Julian Edelmen, Dion Lewis, Chris Hogan, James White, etc.

    ZERO without a QB who had the skills to turn cheap receivers into top play makers. You need to think first.

    ================

    You mean that pro bowl list of WRs. LOL

    Reche Caldwell …………………. Is there a font size big enough for rolleyes on that one?

  28. Censorship doesn’t change minds says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:05 am
    Oh, I’m sure he’ll do some freelance cheating here and there, no one ever completely retires

    ================

    Hopefully he left behind the tin foil antennas that connected directly to the backup QBs helmet. I forget all the mythical conspiracy theories linked to Ernie Adams that apparently are solely responsible for the Pats dynasty. Wasn’t it a secondary frequency that Adams managed to reroute through the Titan US communication satellite responsible for spying on the Chinese or Russians or something like that? Who knows. Pretty sure there was a better chance of proving Big Foot existed before any of that. Meanwhile Adams is sitting at his desk in Foxboro trying to figure out the WiFi password.

  29. touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:08 am
    nhpats2011 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:48 am
    touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:16 am
    William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 9:09 am
    as a side note, I expect Mr. Lee to be camped out here all day.

    ——————–

    It is statistic.

    With so many championship games, statistically, definitely sometimes, opponents would play into your hands. Belichick’s believers just ignore the times Belichick’s defense failed to prepare, so to create some myth around Belichick.

    It is like pulling underwear up to nose to prove it smells good.

    2 21 Rate This

    ——————

    Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie? I think they might be.

    Don’t look now but primadonna Rodgers is acting how primadonna Brady acted. Our entire society is loaded with selfish jerks
    like this. Just turm on the news. It’s disgusting.

    You need serioua clinical help. My goodness. You and NHpats just need to drop the schtick of being Pats fans and just admit you’re this creepy middle/old aged man who has a creepy crush on Brady himself. From a 10 year old, it’s understandable. But, an adult?

    Good luck with the therapy. What’s next Brad was great with his chosen
    offense in postseasons from 2007-2012?

    His 5 ints, 3 vs GB in the title games was good football and he didn’t get his last 2 rings courtesy of creepy flags, a good run game and great D?

    I think the train stops in TB sooner than you think. Guaranteeing health, a good run game and a wink wink from Goodell for Brady in the SB itself is not an automatic.

    But, please go be a Bucs fan since they don’t really have any.

    —-

    The irony in all of this is you are really describing yourself and you man-crush you have on BB. It’s kind of creepy actually

    ————-

    1. I can admit when BB has made a mistake and have disagreed plenty through the years. You cannot do this with Brady. Ever. Brady personally was terrible in the 2007 and 2011 postseasons, yet somehow all the new players on those teams were blamed.

    2. BB was under attack by the media the day he set foot in NE, is the architecht of all of this. The greatetlst trade in sports history, this side of Babe Ruth, is a 1st rd pick for BB. That’s a simple fact. BB then drafted and developed, then promoted Brady. Another fact. It truly appreciate everything and all he is responsible for.

    You, meanwhile, are ungrateful and a disgusting bandwagoner who only started following the team in the 2000s.

    My family has had season tix since 1978 and I grew up going to some games on those metal bleachers. You didn’t. You are a Johnny Come Lately who clearly has a deep rooted love for just Tom Brady.

    I love my TEAM. The team BB builds and coaches

    Good day, Mr Embarrassing Bandwagoner.

    —-

    Son I attended my 1st Patriots game as a kid when Jim Nance was playing (look him up….he was a Patriots FB who played before your time). I actually owned my own season’s tickets in the 90’s when the team still played in Sullivan Stadium. And yeah, the seats stunk, I believe BB is quite possibly the greatest coach ever. But in recent years he has let his ego become more important than the team. Like when he refused to play Butler despite his team’s defense flailing for the entire game. As for Brady in the two SB’s against the Giants, he took a beating. He had no time to operate and any objective football fan can admit the Giants’ defense won those games. And yet in both games Brady left the game with 4th quarter leads only to watch BB’s defense allow Eli Manning to win both games. But in your mind those failures are on Brady.

  30. SB’s against the Giants, any objective football fan can admit the Giants’ defense won those games.
    —————————————

    1986 season:
    With so much invested on defense, which one is harder, build a top defense or building a top 10 offense stayed?

    1990 season:
    With so much invested on defense, which one is harder, build a top defense or design a game plan against top defenses that the offense stayed on field for 39 minutes in NFCCG and 40.5 minutes in SB?

    Please kindly define “objective”.

  31. You mean that pro bowl list of WRs. LOL

    Reche Caldwell …………………. Is there a font size big enough for rolleyes on that one?

    ———————————-

    ???? Did I say they were pro bowl?

    The question is how Pats offense could be among top 10 with those receivers. What is wrong with you?

  32. Rusty keeps rolling on and on and on and…..

    —————————-

    The longer Belichick stays, the more fun there will be.

  33. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:28 am

    That is so funny, because with free agency splurge, Belichick basically admitted that the reason he could build the team in a way that no other coaches could was because he had Tom Brady.

    ==============
    Even if that were true (and it is) how does that translate to Brady getting 100% of the credit and Belichick none? Was it Brady procuring that talent he was surrounded with? He helped provide the means to get the talent but did little to nothing in actually getting it. Are you asking fans to accept the notion that Belichick deserves no credit for getting the talent he surrounded Brady with? There’s an argument to be made on the quality of that talent but not much room to suggest it was all because of Brady.

  34. “Don’t look now but primadonna Rodgers is acting how primadonna Brady acted.”

    ——
    You always a say some wacky things but this one might be tops. There is no parallel whatsoever and the description “prima donna” has never been applied (by any sane observer) to Brady.

    You’d be irrelevant here without the guy’s career and accomplishments because there wouldn’t be this many articles about the Pats to comment on.

  35. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:51 am

    ???? Did I say they were pro bowl?

    The question is how Pats offense could be among top 10 with those receivers. What is wrong with you?
    ================
    How about we start with the fact you mixed in Pro Bowlers with non-Pro Bowlers. So what position would you like us to take? Was Brady able to win with or without Pro Bowl WRs? Or are we supposed to accept the notion it didn’t matter? I guess I’m confused since it seems your own list answers the latter. Unless you are prepared to argue TBrown\WWelker\JEdelman\DBranch\RMoss\CDillon\JWhite = DPatten\DGivens\SVareen\DAmendola\DLewis\CHogan there just really isn’t much to discuss.

  36. Even if that were true (and it is) how does that translate to Brady getting 100% of the credit and Belichick none?

    —————————

    I never said Brady should get all the credit. Again the analogy:

    China couldn’t make its own ballpoint pens, until 2017.
    — Despite being the world’s biggest manufacturer of ballpoint pens, making about 38 billion a year for consumers, China has been importing the stainless steel used to make the pens’ tips from Japan—at a cost of roughly $17.3 million a year.

    Brady was the one who “made pens’ tips”.

  37. Was Brady able to win with or without Pro Bowl WRs? Or are we supposed to accept the notion it didn’t matter?

    ——–

    Again, the reason Belichick could build the team in a way that blowed you away was because he had Tom Brady. If other coaches had Tom Brady, they would be able to do the same.

    I explain in other threat (also about Ernie Adams) that the reason those cheap receivers became top play makers was because of the TIME Brady threw the balls, AGAIN, THE TIME BRADY THREW THE BALLS. They wouldn’t be that great with any other QB, even Peyton or Rodgers, and it had nothing to do with Belichick.

    For example, the throw from 3 yard line in 2002 SB. The defender dropped back because Brady looked to his right first, and turned to left on the 3rd step of Troy Brown. That is why the defender was 2 steps too late to tackle Troy Brown. The result was an easy first down.

  38. As a fan, he can now go visit other team’s training camps and open practices. Take a camera along for the memories.

  39. touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 1:03 pm
    All I know is I love BB and he can do no wrong 😍🥰.

    —–

    Yes…yes we know you believe that. But really, it’s creepy

  40. I am glad that he is finally gone! Now Brady can get the love and admiration he so richly deserves for how he constructed that dynasty

  41. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 12:45 pm

    I never said Brady should get all the credit. Again the analogy:

    China couldn’t make its own ballpoint pens, until 2017.
    — Despite being the world’s biggest manufacturer of ballpoint pens, making about 38 billion a year for consumers, China has been importing the stainless steel used to make the pens’ tips from Japan—at a cost of roughly $17.3 million a year.

    Brady was the one who “made pens’ tips”.

    =================
    Sigh so let’s go back in time.

    First, Belichick is statistically lucky his defenses mattered and it wasn’t due to anything remotely related to Belichick. Isn’t that what we are supposed to believe to dispel the Belichick myth? I believe that was what you said anyway. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Second, Brady allowed Belichick to get any form of irrelevantly talented WRs\RBs because Brady made them better than they were anyway. I have no idea how that directly extends to Brady making anybody on defense better than they were but given your ball point pen analogy I’m assuming you’re going to give it your best shot in doing so? The only thing I can pull out of the ball point pen analogy is Brady’s contract allowed Belichick the flexibility to go get talent on either side of the ball. Which is largely true even if he had no say in getting said talent in any scenario. So how is it that China gets no credit for making the pens again?

  42. Ernie will now spend his retirement traveling around watching other NFL teams practice. The fact it is a week before they play the Patriots is purely a coincidence!!

  43. karmakalled says:
    May 4, 2021 at 12:37 pm
    William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:51 am

    ???? Did I say they were pro bowl?

    The question is how Pats offense could be among top 10 with those receivers. What is wrong with you?
    ================
    How about we start with the fact you mixed in Pro Bowlers with non-Pro Bowlers. So what position would you like us to take? Was Brady able to win with or without Pro Bowl WRs? Or are we supposed to accept the notion it didn’t matter? I guess I’m confused since it seems your own list answers the latter. Unless you are prepared to argue TBrown\WWelker\JEdelman\DBranch\RMoss\CDillon\JWhite = DPatten\DGivens\SVareen\DAmendola\DLewis\CHogan there just really isn’t much to discuss.

    3 0 Rate This

    —————-

    He and NHPats have disorders. Or they are Giselle and Mrs. Brady.

  44. nhpats2011 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:38 am
    touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 11:08 am
    nhpats2011 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:48 am
    touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 10:16 am
    William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 9:09 am
    as a side note, I expect Mr. Lee to be camped out here all day.

    ——————–

    It is statistic.

    With so many championship games, statistically, definitely sometimes, opponents would play into your hands. Belichick’s believers just ignore the times Belichick’s defense failed to prepare, so to create some myth around Belichick.

    It is like pulling underwear up to nose to prove it smells good.

    2 21 Rate This

    ——————

    Are those Brady’s underpants that you are sniffing, Willie? I think they might be.

    Don’t look now but primadonna Rodgers is acting how primadonna Brady acted. Our entire society is loaded with selfish jerks
    like this. Just turm on the news. It’s disgusting.

    You need serioua clinical help. My goodness. You and NHpats just need to drop the schtick of being Pats fans and just admit you’re this creepy middle/old aged man who has a creepy crush on Brady himself. From a 10 year old, it’s understandable. But, an adult?

    Good luck with the therapy. What’s next Brad was great with his chosen
    offense in postseasons from 2007-2012?

    His 5 ints, 3 vs GB in the title games was good football and he didn’t get his last 2 rings courtesy of creepy flags, a good run game and great D?

    I think the train stops in TB sooner than you think. Guaranteeing health, a good run game and a wink wink from Goodell for Brady in the SB itself is not an automatic.

    But, please go be a Bucs fan since they don’t really have any.

    —-

    The irony in all of this is you are really describing yourself and you man-crush you have on BB. It’s kind of creepy actually

    ————-

    1. I can admit when BB has made a mistake and have disagreed plenty through the years. You cannot do this with Brady. Ever. Brady personally was terrible in the 2007 and 2011 postseasons, yet somehow all the new players on those teams were blamed.

    2. BB was under attack by the media the day he set foot in NE, is the architecht of all of this. The greatetlst trade in sports history, this side of Babe Ruth, is a 1st rd pick for BB. That’s a simple fact. BB then drafted and developed, then promoted Brady. Another fact. It truly appreciate everything and all he is responsible for.

    You, meanwhile, are ungrateful and a disgusting bandwagoner who only started following the team in the 2000s.

    My family has had season tix since 1978 and I grew up going to some games on those metal bleachers. You didn’t. You are a Johnny Come Lately who clearly has a deep rooted love for just Tom Brady.

    I love my TEAM. The team BB builds and coaches

    Good day, Mr Embarrassing Bandwagoner.

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    Son I attended my 1st Patriots game as a kid when Jim Nance was playing (look him up….he was a Patriots FB who played before your time). I actually owned my own season’s tickets in the 90’s when the team still played in Sullivan Stadium. And yeah, the seats stunk, I believe BB is quite possibly the greatest coach ever. But in recent years he has let his ego become more important than the team. Like when he refused to play Butler despite his team’s defense flailing for the entire game. As for Brady in the two SB’s against the Giants, he took a beating. He had no time to operate and any objective football fan can admit the Giants’ defense won those games. And yet in both games Brady left the game with 4th quarter leads only to watch BB’s defense allow Eli Manning to win both games. But in your mind those failures are on Brady.

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    Brady wanted to chase Manning back in 2007. BB allowed him to change the offense into a pass first style offense. It failed. Brady sucked in postseasons. He even had to trade Moss early in 2010 to try to fix him. That happened.

    If what you say is true, Kraft would have kept Brady and promoted McDaniels, not agreed to let primadonna boy go pull a Mebron James for an ego stroke unwilling to rebuild.

    As per usual, you’re wrong. Ego Brady has cookbooks, creepy Facwbook docs, galas, hair plugs, moats around his mansions in LA, and god knows what else since he met self centered Giselle in 2006.

    Brady the played like hot garbage in postseasons with the Ds putting them in the SBs only to watch Brady in his wussy preferred and predictable shotgun spread, lose all kinda of games for stats to catch up to Manning.

    BB put a stop to it by drafting Garoppolo and working with him daily. End of discussion.

    To pretend Brady is the samw guy now as the humble team player in 2004 means you weren’t a fan back then. No one managed a game better than him. Then, all of a sudden he turned into Gomer Manning in Januarys. Were you asleep on the couch when the games were played?

  45. @William Lee

    are you suggesting that if the Patriots had a different coach during Brady’s time in NE, that they still would have won 6 Super Bowls?

  46. Guys, this should be a thread about Ernie, not a New England version of the Hatfields versus the McCoys.

  47. Guys, this should be a thread about Ernie, not a New England version of the Hatfields versus the McCoys.

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    seems to be the result of pretty much every comment section on a Patriots article, with people trying to denigrate their successes.

  48. @T6 – we all get it. You loved Brady until he married Giselle. Get over it – he wasn’t going to choose you anyway. Let it go….you will find someone some day.

  49. touchback6 says:
    May 4, 2021 at 2:33 pm

    Brady wanted to chase Manning back in 2007. BB allowed him to change the offense into a pass first style offense. It failed.

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    It failed? The team went 18-0 with a record scoring offense before losing in the SB. If that is a failure, then BB has never succeeded outside of the SB’s he won with Brady. But Brady “succeeded” again last year without BB.

  50. are you suggesting that if the Patriots had a different coach during Brady’s time in NE, that they still would have won 6 Super Bowls?

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    Do you know he cost a SB in 2006 season, because of his letting Deion Branch go (with no decent replacement)?

    Brady could produce top 10 offense without a top tier receiver, even played better than Peyton in playoff. Defense always had good rest with him (check where Pats defense on total yards allowed was ranked.)

    So yes, he would have produced dynasty with any team with good defense.

  51. How did I end up reading the comments for ten minutes? And even more surprising, how come I agree with touchback6? I don’t like it lol

  52. Brady wanted to chase Manning back in 2007. BB allowed him to change the offense into a pass first style offense.

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    You mean that Brady asked Belichick to sign Randy Moss? Give me a break.

    Before Randy Moss, Pats offense overwhelmingly depended on throws to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders. With Randy Moss, Pats offense depended on throws to WR behind defenders, like Peyton’s offense, until middle of 2013 when Gronk was injured and out.

    The philosophy of two offense are totally different, one is “taking what is give”, the other is “doing what I want to do”. “doing what I want to do” offense routinely fails in playoff.

  53. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 3:50 pm

    Do you know he cost a SB in 2006 season, because of his letting Deion Branch go (with no decent replacement)?

    Brady could produce top 10 offense without a top tier receiver, even played better than Peyton in playoff. Defense always had good rest with him (check where Pats defense on total yards allowed was ranked.)

    So yes, he would have produced dynasty with any team with good defense.
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    A great defense. If you aren’t sure you can always ask Peyton Manning on the merits of a great defense. It’s hands down what separates Manning from Brady. More so since Manning is the better QB.

  54. A great defense. If you aren’t sure you can always ask Peyton Manning on the merits of a great defense

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    Hmmmm, again,

    Pats became a dynasty because they had BOTH top defense and top offense.

    — It is not hard to build top defense if a coach spends as much as Belichick did. (a PAPER TIGER defense that couldn’t be relied on in playoff)
    — It is not hard to build top offense with a really good QB if a coach invests a lot on offense, like Sean Payton did.

    What is hard is to have BOTH top defense and top offense, and Pats offense was ranked better than defense was though Belichick invested most on defense, WHY?

  55. More so since Manning is the better QB.

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    Better or not, Peyton was like Nobel literature winner, mastering in ONE AND ONLY ONE system, the system he played in college. If an opponent defense was able to take away his favorite plays, he would have trouble score even 17 points.

    Brady’s way of playing football makes it almost impossible to opponents to prepare against him, he may throw to any square yard of the fields.

    Preparing against Peyton is like preparing a quiz, you only have to focus on one chapter; preparing against Brady is like preparing final exam, you have to review the whole text book.

  56. So yes, he would have produced dynasty with any team with good defense.

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    you don’t know that. You don’t know if another coach would have stuck with Brady when Bledsoe was ready to play again. In most cases the franchise QB (which Bledsoe was at the time) gets the job back when healthy. Sure it was probably easier to stick with Brady because he had been playing all season, but when Brady got hurt and Bledsoe played in the AFCCG, it would have been just as easy to stick with Bledsoe in the SB. But Belichick made those decisions. There’s no guarantee any other coach would have made the same decisions.

  57. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 4:30 pm

    Hmmmm, again,

    Pats became a dynasty because they had BOTH top defense and top offense.

    — It is not hard to build top defense if a coach spends as much as Belichick did. (a PAPER TIGER defense that couldn’t be relied on in playoff)
    — It is not hard to build top offense with a really good QB if a coach invests a lot on offense, like Sean Payton did.

    What is hard is to have BOTH top defense and top offense, and Pats offense was ranked better than defense was though Belichick invested most on defense, WHY?

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    And again, the ONLY thing Brady contributed to ensuring a top defense were friendly enough contracts that allowed BELICHICK to spend the money to do so. The Pats defense has consistently and historically outperformed the offense over the past 2 decades. All you have to do is explain to the masses how Brady had anything to do with that beyond providing cap relief and you’ll have no problem getting everybody on board the Belichick is overrated band wagon.

  58. (continue)
    Because QB like Peyton and Rodgers and Mahomes are great ONLY WHEN they can play their favorite ways, the strategy of opponents is not shutting them down, but taking away their favorite plays so to limit their running up score, which gives their offenses a chance to outscore them.

    Not all defense are able to stop them because they are so good at their favorite offense systems, but because their plays are so predictable, one of the defenses will be able to do it, which led to Peyton’s “choke”, which kept Rodgers making back to SB. We just don’t know which game it will be when the playoff starts.

    With the cheap squad given by BeliCHEAP? they would have no chance winning SB.

  59. you don’t know that. You don’t know if another coach would have stuck with Brady when Bledsoe was ready to play again. In most cases the franchise QB (which Bledsoe was at the time) gets the job back

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    Yes, Brady needed an opportunity, and Belichick gave it to Brady. I believe that is the reason Brady was submissive for so long.

    There were lot of teams without a franchise QB. If Brady was given a chance, with his working ethic, he would be able to get chance to start in 3 seasons.

  60. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 4:30 pm
    A great defense. If you aren’t sure you can always ask Peyton Manning on the merits of a great defense

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    Hmmmm, again,

    Pats became a dynasty because they had BOTH top defense and top offense.

    — It is not hard to build top defense if a coach spends as much as Belichick did. (a PAPER TIGER defense that couldn’t be relied on in playoff)
    — It is not hard to build top offense with a really good QB if a coach invests a lot on offense, like Sean Payton did.

    What is hard is to have BOTH top defense and top offense, and Pats offense was ranked better than defense was though Belichick invested most on defense, WHY?

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    Guess who asked for more investment into the offense and a system change base (shotgun spread base, 40+ passes per game as if it was a race, no fb or run game needed in his mind), and became a worse game manager than before with Weis?

    Tom Brady.

    The D was hung out to dry constantly in that area because everyone lnew his ego wanted to chase Manning stats. Brady’s int rate when up (other than when BB mercilessly dealt Moss in early 2010), but Brady wen right back to 3 and out Brady from the shotgun spread over and over in 2011.

    Go read Mike Lombardi’s book. Brady would rather have 3 TEs and 5 WRs as opposed to one less of either and a FB like a James Develin. Heath Evans wasn’t even used so don’t give me that and Watson wasn’t a blocker.

    Brady never got over the media fawning over Manning when Brady helped NE win 3 SBs in 4 years.

    That’s why crybaby Brady blew up on BB after the 2006.

    BB said, “fine, Tom, we will build offense FIRST in the passing league but Brady lost his game management skills and his preferred offense was too finesse.

    Fact.

  61. again, the ONLY thing Brady contributed to ensuring a top defense

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    During Brady’s reign, on average, Pats defense was at around #7 on total points allowed, but at around #17 on total yards allowed.

    That confirms what Suh said about Brady’s impact on defense: “this is one of the things I was excited about when he signed with us, those defenses are typically WELL-RESTED,” Suh says. “Dinking and dunking, making big plays, moving the ball downfield and scoring points, it gives you opportunities to one, rest, but also come out fresh and rush the passer. And get sacks and not really have to play the run. Because a lot of the time, teams are either playing from behind or it’s neck-and-neck and they have to find ways to score. And most teams in this league want to pass it.”

  62. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 4:39 pm

    Better or not, Peyton was like Nobel literature winner, mastering in ONE AND ONLY ONE system, the system he played in college. If an opponent defense was able to take away his favorite plays, he would have trouble score even 17 points.

    Brady’s way of playing football makes it almost impossible to opponents to prepare against him, he may throw to any square yard of the fields.

    Preparing against Peyton is like preparing a quiz, you only have to focus on one chapter; preparing against Brady is like preparing final exam, you have to review the whole text book.
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    That is largely opinion than fact. Do you honestly think opposing defenses wouldn’t take away Manning’s favorite plays if they could? I know Belichick would assuming you ever subscribed to the notion he is capable of doing just that. You appear to be the dissenting opinion on that just FYI. We’re talking 17 years, 17,000+ yards and 140 TDs. It’s a bit disingenuous (not to mention completely unbelievable) to suggest defenses wouldn’t be capable of adjusting to Manning’s go to plays. As a Pats fan myself, I can assure you that Brady most certainly has weaknesses throwing the ball. Different than Manning for certain but most definitely still there. The only logic recourse with this logic is to argue that Manning had better WRs which is why defenses couldn’t stop him. Which is fine so long as you understand that you are introducing that Manning never made them better. Which is 1) not true and 2) also could be said for Brady.

  63. That is largely opinion than fact…. We’re talking 17 years, 17,000+ yards and 140 TDs. It’s a bit disingenuous (not to mention completely unbelievable)

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    The stats came from throws TO WR BEHIND defenders, didn’t it? It doesn’t tell QB’s ability of SCORing by throwing to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders.

    (NOTE : SCORE, NOT THROW. Unlike Basketball, in football, scoring and throwing balls are different.)

    And that is what defense does in playoff : KEEP BALLS IN FRONT OF THEM.

  64. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 5:13 pm
    again, the ONLY thing Brady contributed to ensuring a top defense

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    During Brady’s reign, on average, Pats defense was at around #7 on total points allowed, but at around #17 on total yards allowed.

    That confirms what Suh said about Brady’s impact on defense: “this is one of the things I was excited about when he signed with us, those defenses are typically WELL-RESTED,” Suh says. “Dinking and dunking, making big plays, moving the ball downfield and scoring points, it gives you opportunities to one, rest, but also come out fresh and rush the passer. And get sacks and not really have to play the run. Because a lot of the time, teams are either playing from behind or it’s neck-and-neck and they have to find ways to score. And most teams in this league want to pass it.”

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    They werenn’t “well rested” when Brady sucked with 3 and outs from the shotgun spread 40 times a game with empty backfields and predictability up the ying yang.

    Your problem is, you think Brady plays the same every year, plays an A game every week and is infallible.

    BB drafted JimmyG in 2014 because Brady was sucking vs the better Da in postseasons. He sucked! He would 2 or 3 ints and look like a deer in the headlights because he woul not move and he’d be in the same exact spot in the shotgun, over and over.

    This was actually compromised at the end of 2007 by Jim Johnson and the Eagles. Brady didn’t care and thought he could throw through closer games instead of running the ball.

    I could list games and plays where instead of running 3 yards for a first down to eat clock, he’d throw an incompletion 7 yards away, go 3 and out and stop the clock with the D right back on the field. Yep.Bradt stopped managing games properly when the ego went.

    The 2001-2004 teams had rested Ds because they had balance and ran the ball and they carried FBs. Get it, dopey? You know nothing about the sport. It’s about balance. It’s not about a qb thinking he can do it all and throw 40-50 times from the shotgun because he thinks he is infallible.

    This is why Peyton Manning, Brees, Rodgers, etc have so few rings. lol

    2001-2006 = Ego in Check

    2007-2012 = Ego not in Check

    2014-2016 = Ego in Check

    2017-2019 = Struggled mightily to keep the ego in check

    Tom Brady is not infallible and choked down to SBs to the Giants by checkjng out of too many runs and being obsessed with the shotgun formation because he “could see better over the line”.

    Yeah, wel, ya blew two sbs and played horribly in postseason against the better defenses who didn’t play zone vs you.

    Case closed. He failed, his ego failed and thanks to BB, JimmyG was drafted and Brady was scared to lose job = second dynasty formed

    BB got his way again…thank god.

  65. hockriel says:
    May 4, 2021 at 3:54 pm
    How did I end up reading the comments for ten minutes? And even more surprising, how come I agree with touchback6? I don’t like it lol

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    Because I am an honest fan who wasn’t in a coma and hated Brady’s Shotgun Spread Addiction from 2007-2012. I also am not some creepy older man who is all googly eyes over a male athlete like
    some 10 year old boy would be. So, that helps. lmao

    In 2013, BB started 2 rookie WRs to try to force him to run the ball more to get to more playaction. Were they good? No! But, he was trying to get Brady back to Weis Era Brady and not staring down his binkies alll game long. Brady thought he could win games just by throwing to 2-3 binkies every week. Nope. You can against crap Ds and crap zone Ds
    like the Steelers, but that’s it.

    NE would have lost SB to the Hawks if it was played anwywhere from 2007-2012. The run game is a threay to Brady’s stats and ego. Obviousky JimmYG wasn’t going to care about that.

    Go read Mike Lombardi’s critique on the 2007-2012 Pats. He says all I said all along as the seasons unfolded. I saw it the whole way.

    You can’t really use playaction in the 3rd or 4th qtr out of the shotgun when you handed it off as a draw 4 or 5 times in the first half. No good D is going to buy that.

    I remember Week 17 at home vs Miami, 2011 XMas Eve, Brady couldn’t even get them past midfield before half! He was horrendous that year (for his standards).

    He had terribel conf title games and was reckless with the ball constantly.

    If he handed it off to BJGE maybe 4 more times alone, they beat the Giants in that SB. How does your lead back only get 7 carries with a 17-9 lead at halftime? How?

  66. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 5:21 pm

    The stats came from throws TO WR BEHIND defenders, didn’t it? It doesn’t tell QB’s ability of SCORing by throwing to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders.

    (NOTE : SCORE, NOT THROW. Unlike Basketball, in football, scoring and throwing balls are different.)

    And that is what defense does in playoff : KEEP BALLS IN FRONT OF THEM.
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    Oye I am now totally confused.

    So now we’re talking about how Brady made his WRs\RBs better by throwing to them in front of the defense and relying on them to score ?!?!?!?! What do you suppose I’m about to pick apart from that statement? Once the ball gets in the hands of the WR\RBs could you kindly explain to the non-believers how Brady made them better?

    Regardless, at one point there was a great comparison between Manning\Brady with adjusted passer ratings that accounted for the very thing you are claiming is greatness. The long and short of it is Brady benefited from about 1 1/2 yards in YAC more than Manning. It wasn’t exactly an earth shattering difference. The truth of the matter is defenses played shallow at their own peril vs Manning where they could get away with it vs Brady since Brady wouldn’t (or couldn’t depending on who you ask). Brady was incredibly accurate underneath and was the main reason his YAC was so much different than Manning. It sure as heck wasn’t because the defenses decided to challenge Manning to throw underneath. I wonder why people intentionally forget EJames\JAdai\AColie\DClark\MPollard. They were all there in addition to MHarrison\RWayne. I suppose all o fthem never caught a ball less than 20 yards from scrimmage. Sheesh

  67. There’s a reason BPolian successfully lobbied the NFL to change the rules to prevent contact on the WRs after 5 yards. Manning and Brady both suffered the same “weaknesses”. Press their RBs\WRs\TEs coupled with pressure up the middle. Once the pocket collapsed they wered done. If you look at the games Manning beat the Pats almost all of them can be attributed to the roll out plays designed to help combat that strategy.

  68. Because I am an honest fan….

    Wait what? If you were so honest then why do you make up stats constantly?

  69. Once the ball gets in the hands of the WR\RBs could you kindly explain to the non-believers how Brady made them better?

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    The more plays needed to score, the harder to score, the harder the offense system it is for QB. “In front of defenders” means that QB has to complete lot of passes to be able to score.

    QB simply can’t score enough by just completing those “easy” passes, his WR must gain YAC. But defenders watch QB in the eyes, so defenders will be next to the intended receivers when the balls reach the receivers, and 1 or 2 yards away from intended position may lead to interception.

    That is where Brady’s ability of “throwing the balls a fraction of a second quicker within the throwing window” plays key role that allows his receivers “wide open” to gain YAC (hence better than they really are), that is why Brady was able to score ENOUGH with those “easy” plays, where other QB couldn’t.

  70. adjusted passer ratings that accounted for the very thing you are claiming is greatness.

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    No, it doesn’t, because it assumes that it is harder to score by throwing to WR BEHIND defenders than by throwing to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders. In reality, the opposite is true.

    Don’t argue with me : KEEP BALLS IN FRONT OF YOU, that is football 101 for defenders.

  71. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:48 pm

    No, it doesn’t, because it assumes that it is harder to score by throwing to WR BEHIND defenders than by throwing to receivers IN FRONT OF defenders. In reality, the opposite is true.

    Don’t argue with me : KEEP BALLS IN FRONT OF YOU, that is football 101 for defenders.
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    Unbelievable. So now YAC only applies to yards after the catch behind the defenders. Can you truly understand how utterly absurd that sounds ?!?!?!? The high percentage plays are not downfield. They are underneath. And by a vast majority. It’s completely mind numbing to suggest that higher percentage plays don’t have a higher chance to score. Please stay away from Vegas for your own sake.

  72. William Lee says:
    May 4, 2021 at 7:36 pm

    The more plays needed to score, the harder to score, the harder the offense system it is for QB. “In front of defenders” means that QB has to complete lot of passes to be able to score.

    QB simply can’t score enough by just completing those “easy” passes, his WR must gain YAC. But defenders watch QB in the eyes, so defenders will be next to the intended receivers when the balls reach the receivers, and 1 or 2 yards away from intended position may lead to interception.

    That is where Brady’s ability of “throwing the balls a fraction of a second quicker within the throwing window” plays key role that allows his receivers “wide open” to gain YAC (hence better than they really are), that is why Brady was able to score ENOUGH with those “easy” plays, where other QB couldn’t.

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    The reason it is harder to score is because the field gets shorter. Period.

    The reason Brady threw underneath so much is because he struggled throwing downfield. His downfield percentages more than prove that. When you are in the red zone those 20+ yard passes are essentially eliminated. Making the underneath throws and YAC all the more important.

    Brady’s decision making and accuracy isn’t being debated. What is being debated is how Brady makes his receivers better after they catch the football. Be that wide open or not. Once they have the ball in their hands Brady’s role is over.

  73. The reason it is harder to score is because the field gets shorter.

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    On 2nd and 9, do you rather dink n dunk twice to get first down with 70% of completion rate, or try 10+ yard pass twice with 30% completion rate?

    Harder to believe, but the one with 30% of completion rate gives you better chance getting first down.

  74. It’s completely believable a completed pass of 10+ yards yields a first down. There’s zero chance it wouldn’t. Apparently the lower com

  75. It’s completely believable a completed pass of 10+ yards yields a first down. There’s zero chance it wouldn’t. Since the lower completion rate may yield more first downs but less TDs it appears to be completely irrelevant anyway. No?

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