The trend of unhappy quarterbacks trying to force trades could continue

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Hall of Fame G.M. Ron Wolf recently decried “diva” quarterbacks who want to disregard long-term contracts and secure trades to new teams. They’re not “divas”; they’re instead recognizing the power they have, and they’re using it.

Whatever the label, the trend likely won’t be ending any time soon.

This year, NFL teams already have traded three quarterbacks despite long-term contracts. The Eagles shipped Carson Wentz, who wanted out of Philly, to Indianapolis. The Lions sent Matthew Stafford, who wanted out of Detroit, to L.A. The Rams sent Jared Goff, who didn’t really want out of L.A., to Detroit.

Wolf’s concerns relate to a trio of quarterbacks who have yet to be traded, but who reportedly would like to be: Deshaun Watson of the Texans, Russell Wilson of the Seahawks, and Aaron Rodgers of the Packers. It feels like each of them, sooner or later, will get their wish to play for new teams.

So who’s next? It’s hard to imagine there won’t be a next wave, especially as Tampa Bay’s handling of Tom Brady demonstrates the potential upside of embracing a franchise quarterback and treating him like something more than a clock-punching employee.

When young quarterbacks enter the NFL, the question becomes one of pass-fail. And if they pass, we assume they’ll stay put. Brady’s instant success in Tampa Bay will cause more franchise quarterbacks, obsessed with winning, to think about where else they can go in order to better achieve their goals.

I considered naming names, floating possibilities of young (and not-so-young) quarterbacks who may decide they’ve had enough of where they are, and who may want something more and may be willing to try to engineer it. But that effort easily could be misinterpreted as something more than wild-ass guesses, which they basically would be.

Also, I don’t really need to name names. Anyone who pays attention to the NFL needs to simply look at the teams that have good quarterback situations and ask a simple question: What would it take to make the established quarterback try to force his way out?

This year, quarterbacks from five teams — more than 15 percent of the league — wanted out. The three who want out but have yet to get what they want are among the five best quarterbacks in all of football. The others include Patrick Mahomes, who’s under contract into the next decade, and Tom Brady, who accelerated this trend by leaving the Patriots, landing in Tampa Bay, and instantly winning a Super Bowl.

Ready or not, like it or not, it’s here. The teams that realize it, and that properly handle their franchise quarterbacks, won’t have to worry about it. The teams that persist in the old-school belief that a multi-year agreement automatically means that the quarterback will bite his tongue and “honor his contract” and continue to spin his wheels despite his input being ignored will find themselves with players who want to play for a team that will take a more modern and realistic view of the relationship between franchise and franchise quarterback.

131 responses to “The trend of unhappy quarterbacks trying to force trades could continue

  1. It’s one thing to want to get traded. It’s another to have some football Garden of Eden waiting for you on the other end of a trade. Where do these QB’s think they’re going that’s going to be better than where they are now? To compare trading QB’s to what Brady did in 2020 is ridiculous. Brady got to compare and then pick the team he wanted. If QB’s don’t want to be tied to teams, then stop signing long term deals.

  2. Modern and realistic view seems to be a two way lack of dedication and devotion between players and team management, and your word or signature mean nothing. Old saying about no honor among thieves comes to mind. Salary cap has played it’s part in this, but is not the cause in many instances.

  3. Wentz wanted out but he just gave the Eagles cover for doing something they probably wanted to do anyway, after how he had played. Matthew Stafford had never won a playoff game and it was time for Detroit to try something new. So its a trend of not-so-successful QBs convincing their teams the marriage is over, but they probably didn’t need a lot of convincing. Nobody has traded a really successful QB yet. The grousing by QBs may continue, but it’s doubtful that it will result in frequent trades of top notch players.

  4. Bull-crap, will you quit saying everything is a new trend. It’s happened before and will happen again

  5. “They’re not “divas”; they’re instead recognizing the power they have, and they’re using it.”

    The sooner that people understand this the happier they will be. No self-respecting person stays in job where their input is not respected. No self-respecting person stays in a job where their talent is not appreciated. Uber talented quarterbacks are no different.

    There is no reason to stay in an intolerable situation if you have the power to improve your position.

  6. I agree with both sides. If the player is unhappy he should be able to leave. Similar to the team releasing a player. Wouldnt be surprised if you see more opt out contract language in the future to give the players more leverage.

  7. The players are going to kill the golden goose. Teams like the Chiefs and Bills have been waiting decades for their franchise QB’s. It would be absolutely crushing for the fans of those teams to lose their franchise QB after hoping for one for so long. Crushing enough to be done with NFL. The Deshaun Watson situation (prior to the allegations)had many Texan fans at that point.

    The NFL having such control over player movement may seem unfair, but it’s what’s best for the league, and it’s not like these QB’s aren’t getting paid 10’s and in some cases 100’s of millions of $$$ to put up with it.

  8. Wentz, Stafford,Goff, Watson: Over-rated losers.
    Rodgers & Wilson: Diva’s who cant repeat the success they’ve obtained only once.

  9. If this trend continues its only because teams keep giving in. Teams need to grow a backbone and draw a line in the sand – play for us or retire and give us our money back, your choice. The more these players take, the more they want. It’s getting way out of hand.

  10. Not sure why Brady is used as an example. Yes he went somewhere else where he thought he might like better. However, he honored his contracts until he became a free agent then moved on.

  11. Why not. After all, this is the it’s all about me generation. Greed and ego always win today.

  12. John Elway did this too when he was drafted by the Baltimore Colts. Diva QBs have been around longer than this crew.

  13. Ah yes, let’s use the greatest quarterback of all time as an example and assume other quarterbacks in the league his and the Bucs situation without recognizing that the Bucs had the perfect storm of players, they were already stacked, in combination with the fact that Brady works harder than everyone else while ALSO taking a team friendly deal. How is taking a team friendly deal co tiny ally ignored? Aaron Rodgers making 45 million a year, with a Broncos team that’s half as talented as Tampa, while also not having first round picks the next two years as an example is not anywhere near the same thing. Completely asinine

  14. How do you properly handle whiny guys? If they want more money, that is to the detriment of the remainder of the team (assuming team close to spending limit). At a certain point, have to act like grown men and not passive aggressive whiners.

  15. Please, please, please, stop using Tom Brady as an example for other QBs.

    None of the other QBs are anything like Brady, in terms of Lombardis, knowledge of the game, and ability to draw talent.

  16. Wouldn’t the simple solution to unhappy QBs be them realizing you can’t expect to have an SB competing roster if you as an individual player are taking up most of the cap every year?

  17. so qb handicaps the team by signing enormous contract. limiting the talent of players around him. doesnt like losing and wants out. great “trend”

  18. The three quarterbacks who were traded certainly were coming from different places. Wentz, for whatever reason had severely regressed under the poor coaching from the Eagles, after his mentor, Frank Reich, left. Furthermore, the inept drafting by Howie Roseman left the Eagles quarterback without effective offensive weapons to work with. Stafford hears the tick of Father Time, and came to a point where he wanted to win, and the Lions were going to enter a rebuilding process which might outlast Stafford’s career. Goff had simply lost the trust of the coaching staff, and without an effective running game, Goff was the fall guy for boy genius’s offense in Los Angeles. Wentz’s case is closer to Rodgers, Watson and Wilson because each team has failed to secure enough offensive weapons for the team to compete.

  19. Its failed to mention that these qb’s get their large signing bonus that covers their entire contract that the qbs do not want to fulfill, thus breaking their obligation. Not a good look or work ethic to the fans.

  20. Disgruntled players have always been trade bait. The last notable QB to truly force his way out was Carlson Palmer over a decade ago, costing him six game checks. Until these divas are willing to do that, I it’s a moot point.

  21. What did the NFL do that made you so bitter towards the league Florio?Let me fill you in on a couple of notes…
    The owners and past commissioners built the NFL into the juggernaut it is today.All the way back to the merger much smarter people than you Al Davis,Rozelle,Jones,Hunt,etc have pushed other owners to follow the lead and build the best pro sports league in the world.Players are a part of this but not the most important.Why can’t you understand that?
    Listen to a diehard Packer fan.When Favre left we still loved our team and the new QB.We were extremely lucky he turned out to be great.If/when AR leaves we will embrace the next QB and pray that he is great.
    Lambeau will still be full.We will still exchange barbs with our rivals.Jersey will still be bought.Fantasy football leagues will still be going.
    How would all of this look if the players had more control?Like the NBA?That means only a couple of teams ever have a chance to win.You get rewarded for geographical location instead of smart front office operations?No thanks.Florio I truly hope your vision of the NFL never becomes reality.

  22. I would suggest QBs signing shorter contracts and make their wishes know at the time of signing.

  23. Russell Wilson has actually never requested to be traded or asked for a new contract before his old contract expired. The man said one thing in 10 years that was not 100% positive about the team. get over it or just keep on inventing stories and claiming them as truth.

  24. Tune in next week for the next episode of The Millionaires and the Billionaires. Will Trevor dump his new wife? Will Elway escape another cap hit? Will Pattric M. walk on water? will Kap get a hair cut? To find out this and so much more, get your tickets now. They’re going fast.

  25. I’m all for players using the power their legacy into their own hands. And the league has cultivated this attitude of players thinking they’re more important than the team around them by putting QBs on a pedestal, pretending like a QB can win you a game all by himself. My issue comes when and player starts to try and get GMs a or coaches fired, or force front office people to make personnel decisions. Power inevitably gets misused and abused.
    I don’t think this will stop until some really good QB go to different teams and flame out after thinking they were automatically going to win a Super Bowl. Even then it may not change.

  26. You are on a very slippery slope if you start giving into demands of players under contract.

    One reason of many that the Packers are not trading Aaron Rodgers is to send a clear message to all of the players that you are paid to play for the G on your helmet. That G will still be around long after you are gone.

    Leaders of teams do things in the best interest of the team and franchise. Players and GM’s are paid quite well to sustain the success of the franchise.

  27. Seems to me, as is usually the case with football guys, it’s a matter of ego. The coaches and GMs of the wildly successful QBs in these situations don’t like admitting that their good fortune has a lot more to do with their “diva” qb than their ability to build and coach the surrounding team.

  28. I’m not a fan of the trend, but I can unfortunately see Joe Burrow going down this path if they don’t start winning in his rookie deal. Bengals management is notoriously stubborn and while I haven’t heard anything to make me think Joe Burrow will start wanting front office powers like some of the others, if those other guys start getting their way, it won’t be long before he feels like he should have that right too. The team will never give him that so they better at least give him a winning team.

  29. Yea Mike. Quarterbacks are treated like clock punching employees………who make tens of millions of dollars a year and have multiple servants running around year round to make sure they don’t have to lift a finger. Sorry but you are in the micro minority of people who believe it is just fine when a QB holds his team hostage for not allowing him to pick the coach or GM.

  30. Bloom where you’re planted. All these guys will be trash in their new cities because they don’t have the minds needed to be successful NFL quarterbacks. You can’t run from yourself no matter how far your legs take you.

  31. Interesting observation of the possible future ramifications with franchise QBs. The problem with the logic is the successful example, Tom Brady. Although a QB may think they are Tom Brady history indicates that they are few and very far between. In fact most will not have success after 42 years of age and if they do I am good with them having an opt out then.

  32. What a shock that Mike Florio is taking the players side and against management – that same shock that the sun came up today

  33. Stop comparing any of the other QB’s to Brady. It’s probably the worst comparison ever. Any of the QB’s in the league today won because of their team, NOT them. Sure they play a part in wins throughout the season but many good QB’s learn not to lose games rather than winning because of their skills.

  34. IMO, the only person on the list that has a gripe large enough to ask for a trade is Rodgers.

    Green Bay has shown that they didnt want him and didnt have faith in him. He has been insulted publicly by his organization multiple times. From “Dont be the problem”, to trading a 1st and 4th for Love, to taking the ball out of his hands with the championship on the line.

  35. The NFL changed the rules to protect QB’s so they can play with walkers if need be. Then everyone wonders why so many are turning into diva’s. If and I mean “IF” Rodgers truly wants out of Green Bay trade him the team that will give GB the most and highest draft picks. I’m looking forward to see what Love can do. It is more fun getting to the top, than trying to stay there.

  36. The league needs to be bigger than a player who could be done after a few seasons. The NFL needs to get ahead of this, Same reason I stopped watching the NBA. What sport to watch next? Hockey?

  37. My respect for Ron Wolf just went up tenfold. He’s absolutely on point with the “diva QBs” comment and not 1 of the 3 QBs mentioned as wanting to move on to other teams has a legal leg to stand on. Aaron Rodgers has zero integrity and he has a choice to make, play the season for the Packers or retire. Retiring means the loss of almost $90M remaining on the contract he signed in 2020. Add to that the signing bonus money the Packers will go to court to recoup and Rodgers could be out over $100M. I just don’t understand why the media are kissing Rodgers’ backside. Only negativity I’ve seen from a writer is from Florio.

  38. Of course there’s a big difference between Brady and these other guys. He never tried to break the bank with his contract and he left as a free agent. I wonder about guys who want max deals, which inevitably leaves less money for the rest of the players, and then when the team as a whole declines, they want out.

    If a QB really believes he’s elite, why not negotiate for a contract with fewer years on it, but a no-franchise-tag agreement? Then, if he becomes unhappy, he can leave as cleanly as Brady did.

  39. If you have a good QB, you don’t waste first round picks on other QBs, and you bring in other good players, chances are they’ll want to stay

  40. NFL planted that seed years ago with all the rule changes to favor offensive output. It’s been painfully clear that the league has a severe shortage of franchise QBs. This puts the owners in a tough spot when negotiating contracts with older QBs.Do you gamble a massive contract on a QB in his late 30’s who could decline quickly or build a team around a young QB on a rookie contract?

  41. The owners need to clamp down on this childish behavior otherwise you may as well hang a net from the goalposts and replace the turf with hardwood flooring.

  42. And when Rodgers leaves, packer fans will take 4 seconds to turn on him.

  43. The biggest flaw is Wentz, Stafford, and Goff were all highly paid mediocre QBs who the TEAMS wanted to move off just as bad..

    You noticed how Wilson, Watson, and Rodgers still havent went anywhere?

  44. Stop. Disgruntled star QBs demanding trades have been around for DECADES.

    – HOF Norm Van Brocklin, after 6 Pro Bowls, hated coach Sid Gillman’s offense. He forced a trade in 1957 by “retiring” and earned three more pro bowls with the Eagles

    – Joe Montana demanded a trade from the 49ers in 1993

    – John Elway demanded a trade from the Colts in 1983 BEFORE he even played a game

    Seriously, history didn’t start yesterday.

  45. Exercising their power is what Kirk Cousins did. Only sign one year contracts and then leave when you become a free agent. Also what Brady did at the end with Patriots. Signing a long term deal then demanding a trade (in Watson’s case, less than a year later) is more diva like behavior than exercising power. They knew what they were signing when they signed as well as all of the associated risks.

  46. How about this: if you complain about the money you’re getting you can sit inactive for 17 games.

    Aaron Rodgers running the scout team while others run the starters might get his “competitive juices” flowing a bit.

    Crazy? About as crazy as a guy who will or has made a total of $240 million dollars complaining about his working conditions.

    People are having problems paying bills and finding housing healthcare and we have to listen to self-centered egomaniacs try to convince us they’re being abused.

  47. As was stated above, Brady actually fulfilled his contract obligations & was a free agent that allowed him to shop himself & CHOOSE the team he wanted to join & continue his career……the other QB’s mentioned have huge contracts that take up big portions of cap space then cry about not having the talent they feel they deserve around them…. Oh the IRONY of it all

  48. In my opinion players jumping teams have killed the NBA. Having players that play most of their careers for a certain team helps to keep your fan base excited. The NFL would be wise to recognize the impact that has had on the NBA and take action.

  49. Florio asked “Who will be next?” It’s gonna be Russell Wilson – he’s in his early 30s; he has only one SB ring; he’s bothered by the perception that the Legion of Boom was mostly responsible for bringing home the Lombardi trophy; he thrives on being seen as a Superhero; he sees what TB did in TB.

  50. Yeah so the point’s been made here that Brady doesn’t fit into this conversation AT ALL, because he didn’t force his way out of anything. He signed with another team when his contract was up. It’s almost slanderous to even mention his name here.

    Regarding Rodgers, a SEEMINGLY good point has been made that he is soaking up a ton of the cap and shouldn’t be upset that they can’t field a great team around him. But that argument falls apart when you point to Jordan Love, a guy they spent a 1st round and 4th round pick on. So that puts the BS to that argument, because GB has NOT done everything in its power to put the best possible team around Rodgers, and he has a legit gripe.

  51. Good for them!

    People forget that players are drafted and have no choice where they go. Once their rookie contract is up the team can franchise a player for 3 years on a series of one year deals in a dangerous game. That’s 7 or 8 years of control at minimum. If the player (who has little to no leverage) signs a second deal, they are normally under team control for their career or as long as the team wants or can afford the player under the cap.

  52. This isn’t an issue until Rodgers or Watson successfully orchestrates a trade and you can argue that it’s only Rodgers since the Texans may want to get as far away as Watson as possible. Stafford requested a trade, but the Lions agreed to it so quickly, it’s easy to assume they were thinking, “We’re better off making this move sooner rather than later…” Goff and Wentz barely register because both were guys whose teams wanted to get rid of them as quickly as possible.

  53. Using Wentz, Stafford and Goff to illustrate a non-point about Watson, Rodgers and Wilson is beyond lame. “They want out because they recognize their power and are using it” – unless they aren’t. Who exactly has managed to get out of their long term contract and force a trade? Absolute nonsense argument.

  54. I hate the fact that QBs like Stafford are completely mishandled in places like Detroit who have had nothing since Barry Sanders (even then, only ONE playoff appearance) and you dont hear anything out of his camp. (I cant WAIT to see what he does with talent around him in LA), and Russel Wilson who has HAD talent around him and whines about wanting to be in charge.
    Rogers has a beef but hes not in QB hell like Stafford was for his entire career.
    I dont even know why Im seeing Mahomes on this list, I havent seen him complain. Either way, he has had nothing to complain about, his GM and Coach seem to be clicking as it is.
    Just help your employees please so we can just move on.

  55. Being able to pass a football well doesn’t suddenly make you an expert at evaluating talent at all other positions or brilliant at coaching and manipulating the salary cap.

  56. “Bloom where you’re planted. All these guys will be trash in their new cities because they don’t have the minds needed to be successful NFL quarterbacks. You can’t run from yourself no matter how far your legs take you.”

    AR, Wilson, and Watson are already successful NFL quarterbacks. They have proven that they have the “minds” to be successful, whatever that means. They are not running from anything. They are simply looking to improve their situation, which is something that any person who is unhappy with his/her position should do.

  57. Please leave TB12 the GOAT out of this. He never demanded a trade. The other guys you mention need to play out the contract they signed, The End.

  58. Have you seen NBA ratings?

    Fans are ultimately lost in this player vs owner battle. It makes no sense to be a fan in the NBA now. Nets are going to win the title, solely due to the fickleness of a few players. That’s not fan-friendly.

  59. Are top flight NFL QB’s willing to go year to year and walk away from long term deals with guaranteed money? If so, they all can choose their spots. If they’re also willing to take half their value so the team can put the pieces around them maybe they win the Super Bowl. Teams would probably be willing to go about it this way to avoid paying huge contracts to mid tier QB’s like Wentz, Carr, Dalton, Goff, Prescott, Garroppolo, Flacco, etc.

  60. These kids who sign long term deals have to remember they willingly signed it and they are an employee not the employer who maks the decisions..

  61. All of these quarterbacks have agents. The agents negotiate the terms of the contracts. When a team gives out these contracts, there are no stipulations about these quarterbacks making the management decisions. If they want that get it in the contract. They sign as players, playing for the team. This is truly a non-story. A giant EGO can not run the NFL, unless that ego belongs to the owner (eg. Jones, Snyder, et al) and the people hired to make those decisions. Just like the store clerk cannot dictate the hours the store is open. Just stupid.

  62. Seattle has two top 15 receivers, drafted one in the second round, have a top 10 running back, 2 average tight ends, and the 10th best-rated O-line in the league. They also have a top 3 safety and a stud defense. There’s almost no better situation for Wilson.
    For Green Bay, they have the best receiver in football, at least last year in Adams. They have a top 10 running back who they just resigned. They have a tight end who was tied for the most touchdowns while only having played 15 games. Their O-line has been built for decades, with a top left tackle in football. Their main problems, on defense, were addressed in the draft. Not to mention they already had a top 3 corner in Alexander, a top 5 linebacker in Zadarius Smith, and a top d-linemen with Kenny Clark. The Packers have arguably the best situation and supporting cast in football for a QB, yet he’s being a diva and demanding a trade.
    Wentz was playing with one of the worst supporting cast in the league, and him getting traded was eventually inevitable and mutual. He was turning the ball over multiple times a game, and ending up getting benched. His head wasn’t where it was supposed to, and his GM, Owner, HC, and cast didn’t help. Along with the fact they drafted his replacement a year before.
    Stafford hadn’t had a sufficient team in years, and the Lions were getting nowhere. To properly start a rebuild, they needed to let him go. These feelings were again mutual, and the Lions didn’t want to waste his whole career.
    Goff was just shipped to Detroit as part of the trade. He wasn’t taking them where they needed to be and wasn’t the player they expected when they drafted him in 2016.
    Watson is the one with the worst situation, by far. His team has got completely wrecked by O’Brien, and without those accusations, he’d probably have been traded by now. He had a top D-Lineman and a top receiver, but both were traded or cut. He would’ve been traded by now if not for those allegations and accusations he got.

  63. Sick of people glorifying Brady because he takes less money. His wife makes more money than him!! He is not taking less money because he is a a Saint and he wants to win super bowls and that everyone should model their behavior after him. His wife makes more money than him!! He can take haircuts in pay. No other star NFL QB has that luxurious setup!

  64. Long term deals are stupid. Players always want to be paid market rate and teams don’t want to get stuck with injured or declining players that are due gobs of money. Players want guaranteed money and teams want to stay fluid so they can make trades and sign FA’s. I feel contracts should be 2+1. Example. You sign a guy for 2 years. In between year 1 and year 2 the sides can mutually agree on a plus 1. This prevents a team from having 45 unsigned players each year and it prevents a guy from being locked into a 5 year deal for under market or in a situation he isn’t happy with. It would also maybe kill this stupid 5 year vision that teams like the Packers use. It would force teams to think more NOW which benefits the fans. The first year of any deal is fully guaranteed and a team would have to guarantee the second year by a certain date or the deal voids and the player is free. It might prompt slightly more movement but it would help keep players from feeling underpaid and it would allow teams more room to build the roster. If you change coaches you aren’t locked into 4 years of contracts for guys who don’t fit the new system. It would also allow stars to make more short term cash because the team doesn’t have to account for that money 4,5,6 years out. If you give a guy 25 million and he’s a bum you move on right away. If a guy grossly outperforms his current deal he isn’t stuck in a fight for more money. He’s only a year out from being able to take control of his contract. Knowing this teams won’t screw over guys who play certain positions like RB because they will lose them if they don’t pay up sooner.

  65. gibson45 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:20 am
    “They’re not “divas”; they’re instead recognizing the power they have, and they’re using it.”

    The sooner that people understand this the happier they will be. No self-respecting person stays in job where their input is not respected. No self-respecting person stays in a job where their talent is not appreciated. Uber talented quarterbacks are no different.

    There is no reason to stay in an intolerable situation if you have the power to improve your position.

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    How was Brady not respected? lmao

    TB12 facility built for him by Kraft on Foxborough’s campus, etc.

    These are Millennials acting entitled. Nothing more, nothing less. Once Brady started using Facebook and acting childish with Gronk and aligning with the other Millennials with the same entitled attitude, he felt boldended.

    But, to applaud selfishness in a team sport is ridiculous. The selfishness is what is wrong with our society.

  66. Stafford is a different story altogether. He quietly went to the new management and didn’t demand: he simply requested and laid out his decade long case as to why he didn’t want to be part of a rebuild before any word got to the media. Both sides agreed and made something work sombith sides benefited. The others are just firing up Twitter accounts with vague posts in hopes of manipulating a trade while still under contract. Reverse tampering, if you will.

  67. If I am an owner, I add language to their long term contract. That language would be if at any time you decide you will not honor the terms of your contract, you can only get the contract by returning the full amount of your signing bonus. If they decide they will not return it, then you can either play out that long term contract you signed or your retire. I still own the rights of your contract until you fulfill the terms you agreed when you signed it.

  68. cwdonald314 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 8:08 am
    The three quarterbacks who were traded certainly were coming from different places. Wentz, for whatever reason had severely regressed under the poor coaching from the Eagles, after his mentor, Frank Reich, left.
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    So coaching is to blame for under and over throwing your receivers? Wentz over threw his receivers resulting in numerous incompletions and against a horrible Cowboys defense, got him picked twice. Also, please tell us how great Reich has been. Why did he have to move on from Jacoby Brissett if he could just simple coach him up?

  69. Cousin’s milked the cow dry. He showed everybody how the system works. Some players want to go somewhere else until they end up there and get their brains beat in but don’t say anything because it would make them look like they were wrong.

  70. How many qualified decisionmakers would give a 25 year old QB the power to choose his GM, choose his HC, dictate how involved ownership is allowed to be, and eschew an OC to call his own plays?

    Which smart executives will defer to their QB who spent about 100 hours watching game film over an entire scouting department who have put in tens of thousands of hours of work over multiple years on a prospect?

    Would Chris Ballard or Kevin Colbert or Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan or Brian Flores do that? Would Dan Rooney or Robert Kraft or Belichick stand for that? Not on your life. This ain’t the NBA.

    Diva is about THE PERSON, not THE POSITION. Mahomes has a lot of confidence, but you don’t see him doing that. Self-centered, self-seeking, all about ME guys don’t work well in the most TEAM sport there is. If you acquired one, that’s on you. Good managers avoid those types at all costs.

  71. Does zero make a trend? Because to date NOBODY has successfully forced a trade. Wentz may not have been happy but the Eagles were even less happy with him so that one doesn’t count. Stafford got traded for Goff and that was a traditional trade where nobody forced anything. Watson was well on his way to forcing a trade but then the roof fell in and until his legal situation clears up he’s not likely to move and it’s fair to wonder if the Texans wouldn’t actually be happy moving him at this point if they could get a decent deal. Rodgers is still a Packer and even if he did move that looks like it could end up a cautionary tale since it’s hard to imagine any other team treating him better than Green Bay has. And despite lots of people saying Wilson is unhappy there haven’t even been any good rumors about him moving.

  72. louisbcat says:
    May 18, 2021 at 8:18 am
    Can someone help me make Kirk unhappy?

    Too Funny! Made my morning!

  73. supercharger says:
    May 18, 2021 at 9:37 am
    Brady Effect!
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    Was not traded. Be better.

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    UMm, he almost was and probably should have been. He also almost skipped going on the plane for preseason to Detroit.

    YOU try to be better. Nothing was good enough for the spoiled brat.

  74. In any industry, in any business, guys who can do something better than anyone else in the world are able to call their own shots. Playing QB in the NFL at an elite level is something maybe about 10 men on the planet can do.

  75. How many people here can say they’ve stayed with the same company for their entire career? 1%-2%?

    You’re being a hypocrite if you ever left your previous job, regardless of reason (hating your boss, more managerial control/promotion, etc.) At the end of the day, these players are just EMPLOYEES and need to look out for their family’s best interest.

    Certainly the teams don’t care about their QBs beyond their ability to win the next game, and I wouldn’t expect them to either.

  76. The key to every team is the quarterback. Look at the before and after of teams when they find the right one. No other position comes close. Teams sign the QB as the anchor point of the build, enabling all the other weapons to maximize their potential. If a QB can sign a contract, then just turn around and say no, trade me, it will crush teams. You need a base to build on.

  77. Leveraging by player’s has been around for a long time. The “trend” is the development of the new venues (social media) to get the word out of any particular camp, in hopes of creating increased leverage.

  78. While I understand the point of QB’s recognizing the success Brady had with a new team, the comparison of their situations should end there. Brady played out his contract in NE and opted to enter free agency. He never stated any issues with NE management, never asked for a GM to be fired, nor stated any need to have input into personnel matters.

  79. Wow, lawyers practicing psychology! What’s next, Gridiron religion?

    Taking inventory…
    + Quarterbacks have become too competitive for their own good.
    + The forward pass has been promoted by the league with special rules that make it the single most important aspect of the game — for TV ratings = Rollerball 1976.
    + In an unbalanced society, sports appears to be the best chance of success for oppressed kids, and they fight even harder to win — but should now be once again beaten down as unworthy of the very success with which the game baits them, but reserves solely for the wealthy owners.

    If you all genuinely dislike what your own viewing habits have created, then change the channel to the games which have less passing. The league will be happy to yet again change the rules to favor whatever gets the highest TV reatings — perhaps reverting to the original rules prohibiting the forward lateral/pass.

  80. riggo08 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:39 am
    John Elway did this too when he was drafted by the Baltimore Colts. Diva QBs have been around longer than this crew.
    _____________

    As did Eli Manning with the Chargers. There’s a difference, however, in what Elway and Manning did (refuse to be drafted by a certain team and then play 15 seasons with the team that drafted them) and what Wilson and Rodgers are doing. Kirk Cousins set a great example of how to bet on himself and win. If a QB thinks that he may eventually get cold feet about where he’s playing, he should sign short deals to allow himself to get to free agency quicker. It will only take one team that slams the door on a player and forces him to retire to make others realize that they are locked into the contracts that they sign. Unfortunately, it doesn’t appear many teams have the grapes to do that.

  81. Disparaging someone because they get to do something you’d do, but can’t do, takes a real uncouth personality. We’d all do this at our jobs if we hadn’t settled for such a simple life.

  82. “Tom Brady, who accelerated this trend by leaving the Patriots”

    Brady is the opposite of the QB’s who want out before their long term contracts are up. He negotiated a contract with the Patriots that would let him leave when his contract was up. He was an unrestricted free agent when he went to the Bucs. Watson, Wilson, and Rodgers all have at least 3 years remaining on contract extensions they signed.

  83. The irony that is so lost on people is that most teams can walk away from a player regardless of contract. But still people think they should just shut up and honor the deal. No one. Literally no one, is telling the team to honor the deal on a player. It’s crazy.

  84. akira1971 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 11:12 am

    How many people here can say they’ve stayed with the same company for their entire career? 1%-2%?

    You’re being a hypocrite if you ever left your previous job, regardless of reason (hating your boss, more managerial control/promotion, etc.)

    ——————————————————————————-

    Very few of us have contracts. I can quit today, not show up tomorrow and I would not be violating any terms of my employment (although 2 weeks notice is customary).

    That’s not how things work in the NFL. Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson all signed long term contracts and were rewarded with huge signing bonuses. My employer certainly is never going to write me a check for multiple years salary ahead of time.

  85. Really Florio? “treating him like something more than a clock-punching employee.” These guys are in the top .01% yes top .01% of wage earners in the US….You are out of touch with reality

  86. But when team owners use their power your attitude is markedly different Mike.

  87. It sure sounds like an article asking excuse for whining entitled players. The dumbest thing in the article is the idea that suddenly QBs are recognizing their power. Are you kidding me? For the last 30 years they have swung teams by the sack. Now they are just waiting to get the big signing bonus before they act like arrogant jacks they are.

  88. Can someone point me to the contract language that says players can’t request a trade?

  89. insertdumbname says:
    May 18, 2021 at 12:18 pm

    The irony that is so lost on people is that most teams can walk away from a player regardless of contract. But still people think they should just shut up and honor the deal. No one. Literally no one, is telling the team to honor the deal on a player. It’s crazy.

    —————————————————————————

    The players agreed to those contracts, however. Kirk Cousins signed a fully guaranteed contract. If Rodgers, Wilson, or Watson weren’t happy with the contract extensions they were offered, they could have simply played out their contracts and then had options. It’s worked well for Dak.

  90. Both teams and qbs need to be smarter about their contracts. qb’s, take less money in exchange for reduced length of the contract and in exchange for no cap/no trade clauses. NFL owners/gm’s, suck it up on cap manipulation and don’t go for extended contracts to reduce immediate cap hits, unless you tie the qb’s guaranteed money to the full term of the contract.

    These problems are the result of simple, up-front greed on the part of both the qb’s and the gm’s. Do any of the qb’s really neeeeeeeeed to be the highest paid at their positions? Frankly, they don’t, and the concept of “respect” really doesn’t enter into the equation. Ego might, but ego is a very poor excuse for some really bad decisions.

  91. gibson45 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:20 am
    “They’re not “divas”; they’re instead recognizing the power they have, and they’re using it.”

    The sooner that people understand this the happier they will be. No self-respecting person stays in job where their input is not respected. No self-respecting person stays in a job where their talent is not appreciated. Uber talented quarterbacks are no different.

    There is no reason to stay in an intolerable situation if you have the power to improve your position.

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Dumbest comment I have read in quite awhile. Have you ever held a real job that you had to have to support and feed your family? Or have you been entitled for most of your life getting what you want and had a easy path through school and every step with mommy and daddy doing all of the hard work? Self respecting people work hard and unrelenting jobs daily just to earn a living and do not make millions to play a game they love. 90% of people who go to work everyday have little to no say in how the company or organization they work for is ran and probably should not have anyway as that is why they are not in that position already. We all have certain positions based on our talents and knowledge levels. Players are paid to play and that is all they should be doing. Now common sense is you want you QB to be comfortable with his team and coaches but he is still a player and should play based on his contract and the situation he chose to be in by signing it.

    Love how people who do not understand common sense in the real world think everyone should have a say and express themselves. Grow up and quit patting yourself on the back for just existing.

  92. How is taking a team friendly deal co totally ignored? Aaron Rodgers making 45 million a year
    ——
    Because Brady is making $41 million this year. Everyone keeps saying his deal is so team friendly but they’re talking out of their poopers. It’s just fancy math.

  93. anadromous2 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 9:21 am
    Florio asked “Who will be next?” It’s gonna be Russell Wilson – he’s in his early 30s; he has only one SB ring; he’s bothered by the perception that the Legion of Boom was mostly responsible for bringing home the Lombardi trophy; he thrives on being seen as a Superhero; he sees what TB did in TB.
    _________________________________________

    The Legion of Boom was responsible for that SB win, they held the high octane Broncos who by the way averaged well over 30 PPG to just 8 points and Wilson had absolutely nothing to do with that as he doesn’t play defense!

    And to all those that claim a team has to have a franchise QB here’s a little FYI, since 2000 there have been 10 SB’s won by teams that had a QB playing on their rookie contract and if you count QBs playing on team friendly deals that number goes up to about 14-15. So no it doesn’t take a franchise QB to win a SB(although it helps), it takes having the cap to put a team around the QB and these cap eating QBs do exactly the opposite, they take money from the ability of the team to put a SB quality roster together.

    Offense’s sell tickets, defense’s win Championships!

  94. hailtothe says: “That’s not how things work in the NFL. Wilson, Rodgers, and Watson all signed long term contracts and were rewarded with huge signing bonuses. My employer certainly is never going to write me a check for multiple years salary ahead of time.”
    ———————–

    How are Wilson, Rodger, Watson, etc. violating any terms of their NFL contract by asking for a trade?

  95. Until teams start honoring all the contracts they sign, they have no right to complain when a player gets enough leverage that they can do the same thing the teams have been doing all along. I have no sympathy when I hear current and former NFL GMs playing the victim and whining about how unfair the system is to them and how it’s all someone else’s fault.

  96. Brady was not traded he doesnt fit the same category he played out his deal then left.

  97. “louisbcat says:
    May 18, 2021 at 8:18 am
    Can someone help me make Kirk unhappy?“

    You miss the days of stars like Christian Ponder?

  98. What is often overlooked given the situations with Watson, Rodgers, and Russ even though Russ’ situation seems to have blown over.

    Brady gave up money/security so he could choose his team. If Rodgers, Watson or Russ want to pick their teams, they can have their multiyear deals torn up in exchange for a 1-year deal where they team agrees not to tag them. I’m not trying to say Brady is a saint for “only” taking $20M-$25M, but he decided to take control of his situation. I tend to doubt any of these other QBs would be willing to do the same thing.

  99. “….despite his input being ignored will find themselves with players who want to play for a team that will take a more modern and realistic view of the relationship between franchise and franchise quarterback.”

    ————————————————————

    Here’s my problem with that. Many of these guys are already paid to be the franchise QB. Yes, the modern way is to have guys like that act as player-managers in many respects. Some teams aren’t as good at that (looking at you, Packers). On the other hand though, shouldn’t the highly paid franchise QB also act and speak like management (looks back at Rodgers)? It’s a two way street. Were I a GM or owner, I’d make it clear that we’d pay the player to be the QB, the face of the franchise, and a member of management. We’d also involve him in decisions on personnel, strategy, play design and game plan, etc. In return, there would be a contractual “no disparagement/professional conduct” clause, which would include avoiding behavior like “Oohhhh Aaron Rodgers” has shown lately.

  100. Just think how much value sports media gets out of an “unhappy” QB. I mean it provides so much content in an off-season where normal stories may be deemed not sufficient for the ratings they want. Kinda makes you say hmmm, is this stuff real even? Or is it something that marketing, agents NFLPA schemed up in December? Calling it a trend is accurate because when in history have three elite QBs out of knowhere tried to get off their teams? Hmmm. I guess if nobody requires the player to speak the player can’t let the cat out of the bag.

  101. lawrence stacy says:
    May 18, 2021 at 12:59 pm
    gibson45 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:20 am
    “They’re not “divas”; they’re instead recognizing the power they have, and they’re using it.”

    The sooner that people understand this the happier they will be. No self-respecting person stays in job where their input is not respected. No self-respecting person stays in a job where their talent is not appreciated. Uber talented quarterbacks are no different.

    There is no reason to stay in an intolerable situation if you have the power to improve your position.

    _____________________________________________________________________________________

    Dumbest comment I have read in quite awhile….Self respecting people work hard and unrelenting jobs daily just to earn a living….90% of people who go to work everyday have little to no say in how the company or organization they work for is ran…

    Love how people who do not understand common sense in the real world think everyone should have a say and express themselves.
    __________________________________

    Most people have the common sense to move on from a toxic situation. There are plenty of jobs available where a person’s contributions and opinions will be respected. There is no reason to stay in a bad or “unrelenting situation.

    Every person has a right to express themselves, in their job or in other settings.

  102. Signs of the times!
    welcome to the “participation trophy” generation…
    Entitled generation..
    No need to earn or deserve anything, just whine until you get it!

  103. touchback6 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 10:02 am
    gibson45 says:
    May 18, 2021 at 7:20 am
    “They’re not “divas”; they’re instead recognizing the power they have, and they’re using it.”

    The sooner that people understand this the happier they will be. No self-respecting person stays in job where their input is not respected. No self-respecting person stays in a job where their talent is not appreciated. Uber talented quarterbacks are no different.

    There is no reason to stay in an intolerable situation if you have the power to improve your position.

    32 56 Rate This

    —————-

    How was Brady not respected? lmao

    TB12 facility built for him by Kraft on Foxborough’s campus, etc.

    These are Millennials acting entitled. Nothing more, nothing less. Once Brady started using Facebook and acting childish with Gronk and aligning with the other Millennials with the same entitled attitude, he felt boldended.

    But, to applaud selfishness in a team sport is ridiculous. The selfishness is what is wrong with our society.

    —–

    Wrong. Brady saw the light when he watched his 505 yard SB performance go to waste be cause BB refused to put the CB who played the most snaps at that position for the entire season into the game. All while watching BB’s defense turn in the worst statistical performance in SB history making Nick Foles look like some odd combination of Joe Montana and Dan Marino.

  104. The NFLPA has created this system of “contracts”. And, since it is the owners’ money, they have the control, whether anyone likes that or not. It is their money, and the contracts that provide the ability to release a player before the contract ends, without paying them, were agreed to and sanctioned by the NFLPA. If you want to change the system, that is one thing, but to whine and snivel about players not getting what they want, under a system they have agreed to is utter BS

  105. All it will take is for one of those disgruntled franchise QBs to fall flat on his face with his new “dream” team to put an end to this nonsense. Teams can, and have, won Super Bowls without a diva franchise quarterback. NFL football is still the ultimate team game.

  106. Well, Watson at least should kiss the ground a couple of times in whatever stadium he’s in for whatever money he makes. I seriously doubt he will play at all this year.

    If Russell Wilson wants more input on the offense, it’s hard to see where that would be possible in any of the 4 teams he said he would accept a trade to. Maybe the Bears but certainly not New Orleans, Dallas or Las Vegas. Can you imagine him giving draft pointers to Stephen and Jerry Jones, LOL?

    Aaron Rodgers has more possibilities I think than Russell.

  107. QB is a buyers market now. A lot of good talent is coming out of the draft so the market for QB trades isn’t as big as it used to be. There’s a good chance some of the guys this year that got traded may not be long for their teams just like Jimmy G is going to deal with in San Francisco.

  108. Key word in that headline:

    “Trying”

    Unless you “try” as hard as Deshaun Watson has “tried” it ain’t happening.

  109. ““They’re not “divas”; they’re instead recognizing the power they have, and they’re using it.””

    Nope. This is the NFL, not the NBA. They don’t have real power, hence the five QBs you mentioned haven’t moved and won’t be moving. The Harden strategy doesn’t work in the NFL.

  110. People are forgetting……..Rodgers hasn’t said what he wants or doesn’t want. I wish he would though.

  111. These are VERy VERY divergent situations, making this comparison not all that useful.
    Wentz-performance
    Rodgers-pissed off at front office
    Wilson somewhat like Rodgers angry with Front Office
    Goff-shipped out had no say for performance
    Watson-N/A. (Who knows what happens without the circus coming to town?)
    Stafford-mutually decided we both need a change. Only one that seems amicable IMO. He’ll be cheered when he returns to DET.
    Tom Brady-Unicorn-nothing that applies to him really seems to apply to another precedent. He had enough juice to make things happen as he chose. Again, unique.
    So will we get more forced get me out of here I want to leave? Maybe. But as contracts get bigger those requests get more difficult and perhaps MORE difficult with dead money, signing bonuses hitting the cap etc.

  112. The contract thing is all about leverage. When a player is at the end of a contract (particularly a rookie contract) the team has all the leverage. The player doesn’t “have” to sign the contract, if he’s ok with not playing in the NFL. Because the team owns the “rights” to the player they can force them into a franchise tag, an offer they want, or the player cannot work. Saying “you should honor the contract you signed” is fine, but it’s hard to honor a contract you signed when someone was twisting your arm.

    Once the player signs, and more importantly the signing bonus hits the books, the balance of power shifts to the player. Because the player can say “I won’t play” and this costs the owner money until the player plays. This would not often be necessary if players could sign any contract they wanted over the current “sign or don’t play” of the current system.

  113. If Russell Wilson wants more input on the offense, it’s hard to see where that would be possible in any of the 4 teams he said he would accept a trade to. Maybe the Bears but certainly not New Orleans, Dallas or Las Vegas. Can you imagine him giving draft pointers to Stephen and Jerry Jones, LOL?

    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    Wilson might draft better than Gruden and Mayock, hence why they won’t trade for him.

  114. At the end of the day, it’s the fans who run the way these things play out. If an owner told a HOF QB to take a hike, and then went out and had a 4-12 season, the stadium would be empty. Owners obviously have much more clout if they have a good GM that makes sure the backup QB is capable of winning.

  115. So players asking for trade is bad and disloyal but teams trading and cutting players under contract is just business??

    Goff signed long term to play and live in L.A. not Detroit.

    As long as its not about market size and so far it doesnt seem to be, i have no issue with players asking for or demanding trades. As long as they have a valid reason. Rodgers has a valid reason.

  116. Wanna know a team that will NEVER leave their QB unhappy?

    The Chicago Bears.

    Because they haven’t had one in 70 years.

  117. I really do applaud the way Brady went about his business. He leveraged his way out of town, and into being a free agent, without destroying his team and his credibility on the way out. If anything, Pats fans admire him more now, realizing what they lost.

    IF Rodgers was to be traded, the Packers will have to fall on the grenade, and his new team will lose valuable building blocks as well. Same with Wilson. Same with pre-scandal Watson. If Brady is the model these guys are following, they are truly doing it wrong.

    .. as a Packer fan, I’d really like to hear Rodgers speak publicly. Especially regarding whether he was told he was going to be traded. I don’t blame him one bit for going scorched earth if that is what the Packers told him.

    … but I also can’t shake that the Rams and the Stafford deal kicked all this off. I start with Rodgers, if I am Les Snead. And I’m sure that means he talked with Rodgers and his camp about a potential trade.

  118. At the end of the day, it’s the fans who run the way these things play out. If an owner told a HOF QB to take a hike, and then went out and had a 4-12 season, the stadium would be empty.
    ==========

    Sorry, have to disagree;

    Packers – 2008 (6-10, after being in the NFCC Game the previous year)

  119. If Russell Wilson wants more input on the offense, it’s hard to see where that would be possible in any of the 4 teams he said he would accept a trade to.
    ==========

    Russ is already in a great situation, as far as his offense.

    Look at what the McVay/Shanahan offense did for Rodgers. He just had, arguably, his best season.

    DK Metcalf has all the makings of an unstoppable force. Look at what that offense did for Davante Adams. DK could put up scary numbers.

    I’m not sure Wilson is seeing the forest through the trees.

  120. Why would anyone have an issue with Tom Brady playing out his contract and then moving on? Nobody sane is against free agency. What people are against is getting a massive signing bonus, signing a contract and then demanding a trade. Just dont sign the extension for $140 million, play out your contract and leave. How is this so hard to understand?

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