Why didn’t the Packers tell Aaron Rodgers about the plan to draft Jordan Love?

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Former Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, who knows a thing or two about being entrenched as a starter and having the team draft his replacement, has said that the Packers’ handling of Aaron Rodgers has been “inexcusable.”

Here’s one reason for Smith’s belief. Rodgers didn’t know that the Packers planned to trade up for Jordan Love in round one of the 2020 draft. Smith, in contrast, was well aware of Kansas City’s plan.

“Yes, without a doubt,” Smith told Colin Cowherd regarding Smith’s awareness of the move up for Patrick Mahones. “One hundred percent. . . . I’m talking multiple times. . . . There were no surprises, it was absolutely laid out for me. And I think that all helps when that’s communicated. It does make a difference how you treat people.”

Kansas City’s interest in Mahomes was one of the best-kept secrets of the 2017 draft. Indeed, a small handful of NFL coaches had become smitten with Mahomes, they kept their views quiet, and the media/draftniks had no idea that Mahomes was so highly regarded. Telling Smith what the Chiefs planned to do required the Chiefs to place significant trust in Smith. If he’d known that the Chiefs had planned to trade up to draft his replacement, Smith easily could have leaked that information, with the goal of getting someone else to draft Mahomes before the Chiefs could.

That’s an important factor to consider when trying to understand why the Packers didn’t tell Rodgers about the plan to trade up for Love. Since the Packers gave Rodgers no head’s up at all, it’s easy to say that they should have at least called him minutes before the trade was made and the card was submitted. But if the Packers had given Rodgers a perfunctory courtesy call seconds before calling Love, would that have been good enough?

Probably not. Rodgers would have had questions. Rodgers would have been upset, confused. To have full and proper notice, the Packers would have had to tell him about it well before the first night of the draft. They would have had to have as many conversations with Rodgers as the Chiefs had with Smith, and maybe more.

So here’s the real question. Did the Packers not trust Rodgers with that information? In other words, did the Packers fear that Rodgers would have gotten the word out that the Packers were targeting Love, in the hopes that someone else would get him?

The Packers will never reveal their reason(s) for not telling Rodgers about Love. But there aren’t many potential explanations. First, they didn’t think to do it. Second, they decided not to do it, because Rodgers simply works there and has no right to expect to know these plans. Third, they decided not to do it in order to protect the secret — either against accidental disclosure or an intentional one.

The fact that Rodgers has no animosity at all toward the coaching staff suggests that coach Matt LaFleur had no idea about the plan to move up for Love, either. Maybe that was part of the plan to keep the information from Rodgers; if LaFleur had known, there’s no way he wouldn’t have given Rodgers a head’s up.

Whatever the true reason for the team’s failure to let Rodgers know about Love, the one gesture encapsulates the dysfunction that currently exists between the franchise and its franchise quarterback.

135 responses to “Why didn’t the Packers tell Aaron Rodgers about the plan to draft Jordan Love?

  1. Gute liked Drew Lock the year before. It was absolutely no secret Gute was kicking tires on young QBs and if one he liked was available he was going to take one fairly high. This was no secret to anyone paying attention. Rodgers, fair or not, was seen as a declining player after 2018 and despite going to the NFCCG after the 2019 season Rodgers wasn’t super impressive most of the year. Not to the point you’d think he had an MVP in his future. Gute was trying to upgrade his backup and give him a viable young arm for the future. If Rodgers was taken by surprise by this then he’s not as smart as some of you give him credit for. I hold firm that Rodgers wants a change of scenery and this is his out so he doesn’t alienate himself from the fans. He wants to play closer to home and his sudden interest in Denver when his future wife lives in Boulder isn’t a coincidence or a conspiracy theory. He’s gonna play the victim so he can go play closer to Cali while still being able to sell crap to Packer fans after he retires. That….or this is more scripted soap opera BS.

  2. The Jets treated Darnold with more respect (let that sink in).

    Is the Packers GM incompetent or just dumb?

  3. I think we’re overthinking it here. I’m skeptical that there was some deep “plan” to draft Love at all. By all accounts they were smitten with Justin Jefferson and would have taken him if still available, but he went a few picks before. Once he went, they probably only had one more player with a first round grade. So they got him. End of story. And to author’s point, would a courtesy call 5 minutes before do anything?

  4. I’m no “insider” but I suspect the reason is until the opportunity presented itself, there was no “plan.” The draft is dynamic, unfolding pick by pick. Similarly, no-one told Brett about any “plan” to draft Aaron because no one expected him to be available down there in the depths of the first round when the Packers’ pick came up.

  5. the difference here is rodgers, as talented as he is, is a me-first diva (like the man before him) & would 100% sabotage the organization (as we see presently).

  6. Because the Packers actually moved up to draft a WR that was plucked off the board before they could draft him.

    And why would you have to tell a player on the team who you are drafting? Competition is good – right?

    And the Packers backup QB options were awful the past how many years. A your solid backup is a great plan.

    And the Packers threw for 48 TD’s last year. Without Funchess. A WR in the early rounds is / was not needed.

  7. The situations are different.
    KC had the consumate professional. He had been through the “you are replaced” before with Kaeparnick. Rodgers has been whiny for a while.
    KC also took Mahomes when he fell to them. GB traded up.
    KC did not have any glaring holes on offense. GB does.
    However, the first point, Alex Smith is a pro’s pro, is the key.

  8. Because the Packers GM is an egomaniac who refuses to acknowledge that maybe you treat a future first-ballot Hall of Fame QB differently than the other 52 on the roster. There is a difference between giving a guy a heads up and asking permission. Nobody expect a GM to ask ANY player permission, but a heads up and explaining the thinking at the time is a no-brainer. Heck, Ted Thompson did that with Favre before they took Rodgers and Rodgers was 1,000X more of a no-brainer pick than Jordan Love was last year.

    Gutekunst has no interest in winning with Rodgers because Ted Thompson drafted him. A good GM cares about winning first and credit later. Now, Gutekunst is trying to figure out how he can get rid of Rodgers without being blamed for running him off… Good luck with that unless Jordan Love leads the team to the playoffs a year after being the No. 3 QB behind Tim Boyle.

  9. The Packers didn’t call Rodgers while they were on the clock the night of the draft. That’s weird. Even the Bears gave Dalton a courtesy call to tell them they were drafting Fields. Dalton has played 0 snaps for the Bears.

  10. If Jordan Love was that highly regarded, I completely understand that the Packers would keep this secret. But if Alex Smith knew in explicit terms about Patrick Mahomes… it’s bad optics for the Packers. Even if they didn’t trust Rodgers.

    Jordan Love is a first round quarterback. The expectations alone are enormous. Because of this scenario, Jordan Love has an uphill climb. Man, the pressure mounts on this kid the longer this goes on. Packers created this, now they have to deal with it.

  11. Given Rodger’s behavior, it’s safe to assume he would’ve leaked the info as a means of sabotaging the draft pick.

  12. I have a strong feeling the Queen song ‘Death On Two Legs’ sums up how Rodgers currently feels about Packer management.

  13. Another explanation would be they didn’t plan to draft Love but when he was still available they felt he was the best option at that moment in time.

  14. They probably knew the tantrum that was going to happen no matter how they handled it, so they just waited as long as possible before they had to start hearing what was inevitable anyhow.

  15. Or maybe drafting Love was plan C of their draft day plans and didn’t want to upset the apple cart for something they hoped wouldn’t happen. After A and B were gone, they moved up to get C, probably as deadline on pick was coming and didn’t have time to do the phone call. I truly dont think Packers entered the day thinking they were drafting a QB.

  16. Rodgers behavior over the past 4 months has shown why the Packers didn’t tell him….they don’t trust him and he has no problem enlisting his mouths pieces to sabotage the plan.

  17. Simple answer to the question. Rodgers is paid to play QB. He’s not paid to do the GM’s job.

  18. Because they have a young manager who thinks his system will work with any elite employee. Except this employee makes $38M a year. The young manager makes $3M.

  19. Kudos to KC for doing the right thing.

    But the elephant in the room here is that Smith is probably WAY more approachable and a much better collaborator, than Rodgers. You reap what you sow in this life. They didn’t tell Rodgers? That’s probably just as much on Rodgers as it is on GB.

  20. What kind of a heads up was he supposed to get. Sure the Gutey and company liked Jordan Love. But they didn’t know for sure if he would be available. 10 minutes to make a pick. So multiple phone calls to try to set up a deal with multiple teams. In the heat of the battle Gutey says, “hold on, I have to call Aaron…” I don’t think so.

    How many quarterbacks were picked during Rogers tenure. Or Farves tenure. Do you think Ron Wolf would have called to let a quarterback know of his plans?

    Is Rogers a great QB? Of course. Does his opinion matter? Sure it does. But to think that a team is obligated to tell Rogers is false in my opinion.

    Great quarterbacks aren’t available all that often. If Love is all the QB that they think he is then why not go get him when your current QB is 37 years old? They didn’t have a crystal ball that would let them know that Rogers was going to have an MVP year.

    They need to resolve this one way or another soon. We need to install the playbook for this year asap. Not to mention that I’m sick of all the drama!!!

  21. “In other words, did the Packers fear that Rodgers would have gotten the word out that the Packers were targeting Love, in the hopes that someone else would get him?”
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    That seems more than a bit farfetched. Love was a surprising pick not just because the Packers needed immediate help on D but also because he was roundly viewed as being taken too high. “Getting the word out” wasn’t likely to make some other team make an even bigger reach by taking him still earlier.

  22. Alex Smith’s analysis of whether or not the Packers should have communicated with AR ignores the frantic pace at which draft day transactions occur. Within the allotted time the team had to first brainstorm the idea and then pull off the trade to get the higher pick. The only thing obvious is the team had a high grade on Love and saw value. Smith has a chip on his shoulder after being shunted by two teams.

  23. GM’s job is to build the team, not to be a player’s best friend.

    And you don’t know if Packers DID tell Rodgers just moments before the trade up to draft Love if they were concern that another team like Tennessee was going to pick Love ahead of GB. It’s a small 15-minute window to get it all done.

  24. Why would the MVP care. He is getting a ton of $ and the rookie is not going to beat him out!

  25. Rodgers WAS informed after the trade was made to move up. Yes, only about 30 seconds before the pick was made. Things move fast, and it is not known if the trade to move up even works out until seconds before the pick.

    No one knows how a draft board will fall on draft night. Gute had WR’s he liked, but the couple that he was very high on all went early. Brian was very high on J-Love. Brian saw he was still there, he had the opportunity to get him, and did it.

    Aaron has said this isn’t about the Jordan Love pick. The issue is moot.

  26. More than likely they weren’t expecting him to last that long and instead of asking Aaron for permission they started to make a trade to move up. A draft is very fluid, moves fast and a lot more goes on in the draft room then we know.

  27. Maybe the entire organization should not revolve around one prima donna?

  28. I get that it’s a professional courtesy, as you would expect in any industry. But the guy is ALWAYS unhappy. At some point it stops being about his offensive line (maybe if he wasn’t so concerned about throwing incomplete passes he wouldn’t get sacked so much), his coach (pick one, any one, that he’s whined about), the media, the team front-office, the draft strategy, etc. At some point it’s just HIM. He’s just an unhappy dude. No judgment, but he always looks unhappy, and when he does commercials or tries to joke around he looks uncomfortable and awkward.

  29. And you think Rodgers, as passive-aggressive as he is, would not have leaked this information to the media and disrupted the Packers’ ability to trade up and draft Love?

  30. Of course Rodgers would’ve leaked that information ahead of the draft.

    He never hesitates to throw people under the bus in public. Imagine the media interview.

    Reporter: How are you feeling about the upcoming season?

    Rodgers: I’m just getting mentally prepared to fight a rookie for my job. They’re looking to draft my replacement this year in the first round.

    Reporter: That’s understandable. How is Adams doing?

    Rodgers: They’re targeting Jordan Love in the first. They think he can be the next Aaron Rodgers and I agree with them. He’ll be highly sought after on draft night.

    Reporter: Wow.

  31. Aaron Rodger is and was not respected in GreenBay. Now, he is asserting himself. Interesting to see how this drama end. It will either be a trade, retirement, play for Greenbay, or something unexpected. This should be fun.

  32. I think both sides could have handled this better, and I think GB would be insane to potentially let him retire and not get a haul for him.

    With that said.

    Ar had come off pretty bad in this whole thing and is certainly looking more and more like a diva. His actions IMO show exactly why the pack didn’t tell him of their plans. He would have thrown a fit and went Public.

    Also, I still find it a little amusing that AR was drafted to replace Favre when Favre had good years left , and now he is all worked up when the packers did the same thing.

  33. Just a thought, but maybe they didn’t know they’d be taking Love until he got close enough for them to make a trade up. And at that point they were probably pretty busy working the phones.
    I hope Aaron lets the coaches and GM know every time that he’s going to call an audible.

  34. Why did Rodgers have to know or even care about his employers plans to draft a quarterback who wouldnt threaten his job for years,maybe never if AR keeps playing at a high performance.the Packers have gotten rid of many very good backup QBs over the years because the starter, Favre, played at a high level and Rodgers too knows his job isnt in jeapardy. he has three more years on a lucrative contract which the Packers may now extend with more cash.in Green Bay Rodgers has everything a QB could want in an NFL team.

  35. Because quite frankly, as an employee, it was none of his business. Oh wait, this is the sports world, where the inmates run the asylums. Sorry. Carry on.

  36. GB didn’t have to tell Aaron who they were going to pick, they just had to have the good sense to let Aaron know that it was a possibility. “Hey Aaron, not sure how things are going to play out on draft night but we wanted to let you know that there is the possibility of us selecting a QB. Ya know OLD MAN, we need to start grooming someone in case of injury or you decide to bail on us for Jeopardy” etc etc. Not so hard and respectful.

  37. Likewise, why didn’t Matt LaFleur tell Aaron Rodgers BEFORE the third down play in the NFC title game that he was planning to kick a FG on fourth down?

  38. shackster says:

    May 27, 2021 at 10:30 am

    What kind of a heads up was he supposed to get. Sure the Gutey and company liked Jordan Love. But they didn’t know for sure if he would be available. 10 minutes to make a pick. So multiple phone calls to try to set up a deal with multiple teams. In the heat of the battle Gutey says, “hold on, I have to call Aaron…” I don’t think so.

    How many quarterbacks were picked during Rogers tenure. Or Farves tenure. Do you think Ron Wolf would have called to let a quarterback know of his plans?

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    The question isnt how many qbs were selected, it’s how many were selected in the 1st round. During Favres tenure ..the answer is 1 just like it is with Rodgers so it’s fairly obvious when a 1st round pick is being spent on a Qb their bringing in your replacement. As for whether Wolf would have let Favre know you can say with almost certainty he would’ve since the biggest issue Favre had with Thompson was lack of communication and that rather than the gm having an open door policy it was a closed door.

    Also if you think there arent teams calling players with a heads up about something happening during the draft than you are completely naive.

  39. Why? Pretty simple answer: Packers’ FO is classless and incompetent. Good luck drafting Rodgers’ replacement – you’re 0-1 so far.

  40. Packers fans are growing more and more resentful toward Rodgers. They seem to forget, Rodgers stood by and was a good soldier for years, while management kept a bonehead coach in there. Now Rodgers is realizing that he may only end up with one Super Bowl, and he has to start speaking up when he sees management making mistakes.

  41. mickmars says:
    May 27, 2021 at 10:58 am
    Because quite frankly, as an employee, it was none of his business. Oh wait, this is the sports world, where the inmates run the asylums. Sorry. Carry on.
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    Businesses frequently consult with their present employees before making a new hire. Many times there are employee committees that do the interviewing and make the recommendations on new hires. It is critical in many business settings that the new employee fits in with the entity’s culture.

    The people who believe that new hires are not the current employees business generally have not worked in sophisticated environments.

  42. jackofnotrades Brett Favre was Never A Divia LOL Nothing at all like Rodgers me first attitude

  43. Why do people think Rodgers would have sabotaged the pick? He has said repeatedly how much he likes Jordan Love. All he would have to do is roll his eyes once or say, “Couldn’t beat out Tim Boyle to be my backup… Great pick…” and he could make Love’s life a living hell… Rodgers knows how he could have tortured Love, because he remembers the things Favre did to him when he was a rookie…

  44. While not required, the Packers could have shown a little respect for their franchise QB, last year’s MVP, by telling him they either were, or might draft a QB.

    IF they didn’t know that they might draft a QB, then the coach and GM should not have those jobs. It’s one thing to be surprised if a player falls to you in the draft, but NOBODY takes a QB unless they decided if certain things happened in the draft that they would take a QB.

    I can see why Rodgers was angry…but that was then and this is now. I don’t know what Rodgers is waiting for, but his drama is not helping the team at all.

  45. mickmars says:

    May 27, 2021 at 10:58 am

    Because quite frankly, as an employee, it was none of his business. Oh wait, this is the sports world, where the inmates run the asylums. Sorry. Carry on

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    Have you heard of something called showing respect? Just because someone is an employee doesn’t mean you cant show them respect especially if you want the employee to continue to work. If you went in to work and they told you today hey we just hired your replacement as soon as hes ready your gone, how would you feel about that? Now if they came to you last week and said hey we may be bringing in your replacement next week depending on how interviews go, now how? 1 way at least shows some modicum of respect even if your not happy about what’s happening, the other way shows bo respect as your just a cog in the machine.

  46. I’m no “insider” but I suspect the reason is until the opportunity presented itself, there was no “plan.” The draft is dynamic, unfolding pick by pick. Similarly, no-one told Brett about any “plan” to draft Aaron because no one expected him to be available down there in the depths of the first round when the Packers’ pick came up.
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    I would think a GM would have an idea if theres a QB graded high enough that drops that they will take them. If I recall Love was more or less drafted where he was expected 1-2 round so not much of a surprise, he was where he was expected to be taken. So again the GM has his expected players so 26 picks (I imagine he was ranked higher unless everyone on their board was taken ahead).

    Favre was consistently threatening with retirement, so yes they had to have a backup plan and Rodgers went from potential 1st overall to tumbling to 24th. Thats a whole different comparison.

  47. I don’t think it is at all unreasonable to expect the GM to tell the franchise QB that they may draft a QB if the right one falls to a level where there is great value with the idea that he may sit for a few seasons, much like they did with Rodgers. No need to give any names, so no leak worries. It is just how you should treat your most important player.

  48. Maybe they thought he was an adult and had been in the league long enough to understand Best Player Available. Maybe they thought he was confident in his ability. Maybe they thought the amount of money they were investing in him was a sign of their commitment to him. Remember,they took him when a lot of people weren’t interested. Poor guy….

  49. You can only give someone a heads up about a plan… IF there is an ACTUAL PLAN. As many users have said, the draft is a hugely dynamic, fluctuating situation where players and draft boards are changing by the second. If a player the Packers rated HIGHER than Love on their draft board was available and for less draft capital, they would’ve taken him. Plain and simple.

    Also, Green Bay doesn’t have an owner. There’s no Jerry Jones or Robert Kraft who get to operate ‘behind the scenes’ on draft day, giving their star QBs phone calls about who they’re about to draft, or chit-chat about their wives and kids.

  50. Why should they have to? Did NE tell Brady about JimmyG? Does any player get a call regardless of position, from the GM as a heads up?

    This has got tot be the dumbest primadonna thing of all time right on the heels of Brady’s antics.

  51. glac1 says:
    May 27, 2021 at 11:16 am
    If he’s as good as he thinks he is why is he so scared of a rookie coming in??

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    Scared? That pick could have been used to help the team now. There were at least 6 QB’s who graded out better than Love in the 2021 draft. He could very well be great, but it was a reach and if GB management had any foresight they could have waited til 2021 to grab a QB.

  52. Rodgers has never been a team player. He’s so quick to throw general managers, coaches, and players under the bus when something goes wrong. Look at how he got McCarthy fired. He hasn’t won enough games when it matters most to warrant a Tom Brady, Joe Montana, or Michael Jordan type of treatment.

  53. Would you trust Rodgers to take that news well, and as a professional? Rodgers’ grudges are known to be world class and never ending.

  54. I believe the drafting of Love without telling Rodgers was done with intent and malice. The feeling I got from all I’ve read about the Packers over the years is Rodgers has become way too big for his britches and the Packers soured on him as someone who thinks he’s bigger than the team and organization. Trading up for Love and not saying a word to Rodgers was a way to communicate they’re in charge, not him.

    At the point they sent it, they feared they’d committed way too much money to a guy who was in decline and wanted a hedge against his future slipping production.

    Of course, Rodgers did what Favre did when Favre looked like he was done, he got ultra-motivated and had one of the best, if not the best, season ever in Minnesota.

    Rodgers knew the Packers were trying to send him a message, and returned fire. I believe the second they made the Love pick he was done as a Packer, mentally speaking. He played on the fuel of hatred toward 1000 families, and put the Packers in a very bad position.

    Green Bay could’ve easily re-done his contract if that’s what they wanted. They already regretted giving the last one, and weren’t in any mind to give him a new one.

    Will be interesting to see what they choose now that the cap ceiling might be 208 mil. Will they just eat the money of a re-done contract to make this go away, or will they go with Plan A, which was to move on from Aaron Rodgers and look like geniuses because they felt his play would erode further.

    Man, this is better than on-field action watching the Packers front office blow what amounts to a 28-3 halftime lead in a SB.

  55. It’s not like they were surprised that Love suddenly dropped to them. They traded up to get him. That kind of thing doesn’t just happen on a whim. No, the Packers absolutely had this as at least one of their plans last year. They 100% went into that draft thinking they’d draft a QB very high.

  56. Because they dont have to tell him anything they run the team not him, hes just a player. Enough of this diva stuff already!

  57. The Packers realized there was a good chance there would be no more SB’s with Rodgers. And now Rodgers is realizing that he needs to change teams to make a SB as well. Definitely time for these two to part ways.

  58. binkystevens says:
    May 27, 2021 at 10:06 am
    I think we’re overthinking it here. I’m skeptical that there was some deep “plan” to draft Love at all. By all accounts they were smitten with Justin Jefferson and would have taken him if still available, but he went a few picks before.

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    That seems reasonable, but two other points:

    1. If Jefferson was their primary target [as he should have been] the Packers should have definitely traded up;
    2. Rather than a phone call or even a specific name Rodgers could have been told before the draft that the team had its eye on a number of great draft options including both WR and QB. That is showing sufficient respect without letting the specific plans/names out.

  59. Did Gute “need” to consult Jaire Alexander before drafting Stokes this year? No, Alexander is a player and the GM’s job is to amass talent. QB position is no different, amass talent and the best player(s) plays. Is Rodgers THAT insecure that he can’t handle ANY competition? This act is getting VERY old…looking forward to June 1st news.

  60. I think this was a power play by Lafleur and Gutekunst, and now it is backfiring on them. I have heard the Chiefs, 49ers and Saints told their QB’s when they were going to draft a qb.

  61. As a GB shareholder, I’m sick and tired of the drama. And tired of the Diva. Here’s the deal: No play, no pay.

  62. KC did not have any glaring holes on offense. GB does.
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    This team has glaring holes… on defense.

    (same broken record playing since 2011)

  63. curtis20 says:
    May 27, 2021 at 11:41 am
    Because they dont have to tell him anything they run the team not him, hes just a player. Enough of this diva stuff already!

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    That’s exactly the message GB wants to send. ‘He’s just a player’. Unfortunately, anyone who understands football, knows that’s just not true.

    I don’t think GB management realizes how hard it will be to get good players to want to play in Wisconsin. It’s been 30 years with elite QB play in GB. Free agents won’t be lining up to play for Jordan Love’s Packers. Better hope they can draft, because those rookie contracts are their only hope without Rodgers.

  64. Look at how he got McCarthy fired
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    McCarthy couldn’t scheme his way out of a wet paper bag.

  65. Maybe because Rodgers isn’t the GM? Isn’t front office? Isn’t a coach or scout? Or maybe they did call him in to tell him and his big head wouldn’t fit through the door?

  66. We’re not having this conversation if Allen Lazard turned his head and caught the game-winning td pass on 1st-and-goal at the 8.

  67. Obviously the Packers knew that Rodgers ego is so fragile that they couldn’t possibly give him a heads up about his replacement.

  68. One reason you don’t always consult with people ahead of time is they’ll expect you to follow their advice and get upset if you don’t. Check out the Texans/Watson situation for an example of that. They asked his opinion on coaches then hired somebody else and didn’t even interview most of this suggestions. Asking Rodgers advice would only have made him happy if they’d been committed to following it OR he’d have been willing to accept they didn’t agree with him.

  69. “Given Rodger’s behavior, it’s safe to assume he would’ve leaked the info as a means of sabotaging the draft pick.”

    That’s the mistake people are making here. There is a HUGE difference between telling Rodgers, “We’re taking Jordan Love” and saying, “Hey, you’re 37. We don’t have a good young backup and if one’s available that we like we may jump on him even if that means moving up. You’re our guy and if you play until you’re 43 then great, but it’s still our responsibility to look at the future.”

    The former shouldn’t be expected, but the latter? Gutie’s an idiot if he didn’t have that conversation. So it seems when Mark Murphy said “we’re not idiots” he was wrong.

  70. Look at how he got McCarthy fired
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    McCarthy had to go. Even people who didn’t know football knew what play was coming. And expecting your receivers to win 50/50 balls as a passing game strategy doesn’t cut it.

  71. Did I miss something? Didn’t GB drat Love in 2020? Not 2021. And didn’t they go 12 – 4 last season and make it to the NFC Championship game? And isn’t Rodgers under contract for 2 more years? Old A Rog didn’t seem so upset until they got smoked in the NFC title game. If I’m Lord Packer, I’d sit him this year if he won’t play without pay and deal him the next year in the final year of his contract. The suitors will still line up to take him and the Packers don’t get screwed by a diva that want’s to be Tom Brady.

  72. Holmgren’s frozen ‘stache says:
    May 27, 2021 at 11:55 am

    Look at how he got McCarthy fired

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    McCarthy couldn’t scheme his way out of a wet paper bag.

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    A quarterback shouldn’t be trying to get his head coach fired. What have the Packers done since firing McCarthy? How did that improve their situation?

  73. Why did the Pack have to tell Rodgers about their draft plans? Denver burned a number one a qb when Elway was still in his prime. He never said a word and won two SBs. He didn’t care. Rodgers shouldn’t either.

  74. jameshodges says:
    May 27, 2021 at 11:37 am
    Rodgers has never been a team player. He’s so quick to throw general managers, coaches, and players under the bus when something goes wrong. Look at how he got McCarthy fired. He hasn’t won enough games when it matters most to warrant a Tom Brady, Joe Montana, or Michael Jordan type of treatment.
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    AR did nothing to get McCarthy fired. To the contrary, he has continually stated how much respect he has for McCarthy.

    Green Bay has only had one other GM besides Gutekunst during AR’s career, Ted Thompson. TT was not fired. Instead, he retired and took a senior position in the front office.

    AR has never thrown a teammate under the bus. He always praises his teammates, even those who make mistakes, in any interview he has ever given.

  75. dartmouthstevens says:
    May 27, 2021 at 10:10 am

    KC also took Mahomes when he fell to them. GB traded up.
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    Not exactly. KC traded a third-round pick and a future first-round pick to move up from 27 to 10.

  76. Everyone assumes the same situation happened with Favre, totally untrue. It was not about not wanting to play for the Packers it was about not wanting to play any longer in the NFL, he went back and forth to the point that to get ready for the season they made the correct decision to go with Rodgers based on the time table before the first regular season game. It was a bold move by Thompson that worked out, I don’t know how many other GM’s would tell a HOF QB “the train has left the station” but he made the proper call for the team. I grew up in Green Bay and like all of Wisconsin the Friday night Fish Fry is a family tradition, several restaurants still have The Favre on the menu, it has both Broiled & Breaded Perch for those that go back and forth on their meal decisions.

  77. I think this was a power play by Lafleur and Gutekunst, and now it is backfiring on them.
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    On Gutekunst, sure.

    Rejuvenated Rodgers has made LaFleur look like one of the best coaches in the League.

  78. Holmgren’s frozen ‘stache says:
    May 27, 2021 at 11:59 am
    We’re not having this conversation if Allen Lazard turned his head and caught the game-winning td pass on 1st-and-goal at the 8.

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    The lack of talent at skill positions is exactly why we’re having this discussion.

  79. Imagine you’re the new coaching staff, and right away Rodgers starts leaking stuff to the press about his disagreements with his new coaches about audibles (after Rodgers got Mike McCarthy fired by constantly audibling out of the plays that were called).

    Why would the front office trust Rodgers given his history? I wouldn’t.

    I also disagree with the idea that you should treat quarterbacks drastically differently than other positions. If I have a 30-year-old star MLB, should I give him a heads up that I might draft a linebacker? Tight end? Running back? Wide receiver? At what point exactly are you disrespecting a player by not disclosing your draft plans in advance?

  80. to really tick him off, they should sign johnny manziel. and then tell him “he’s much better than you anyway”

  81. On the surface, Rodgers isn’t entitled to participate in how the team is constructed. He’s a quarterback. He’s not a co-GM. However, Rodgers may be upset because he was misled in some way behind the scenes. If that’s the case, then I don’t think we can judge, because we don’t know what he may have been told.

    However, it feels like Rodgers is confused about his role.

  82. “Why should they have to? Did NE tell Brady about JimmyG?”

    Yep. Brady was told ahead of time.

  83. Strongly suggests that the team didn’t know what they were doing until draft day. Some might argue that they still don’t know what they are doing.

  84. To think that media had been critical of Lynch and Shanahan of being open with Garoppolo about kicking the tires on Brady and then trading up to get Lance. It’s called trust.

  85. Get over it! Shouldn’t Green Bay prepare for the future. Wonder if Rodgers retired or was injured?? Just keep quiet and play. Hint…Rodgers will show up and play- period

  86. Everyone assumes the same situation happened with Favre, totally untrue. It was not about not wanting to play for the Packers it was about not wanting to play any longer in the NFL, he went back and forth to the point that to get ready for the season they made the correct decision to go with Rodgers based on the time table before the first regular season game. It was a bold move by Thompson that worked out, I don’t know how many other GM’s would tell a HOF QB “the train has left the station” but he made the proper call for the team. I grew up in Green Bay and like all of Wisconsin the Friday night Fish Fry is a family tradition, several restaurants still have The Favre on the menu, it has both Broiled & Breaded Perch for those that go back and forth on their meal decisions.
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    Who ever believed the retirement talk though?

    I remember him first talking about it all the way back with SB XXXII. It was believable then, with all his hunting and fishing stories. But it became more and move obvious as years went by that Favre was the type that wanted to die ON the field. And thats basically what ended up happening. He played until he was no longer wanted.

    I do think the Packers made the right move, as you said. But it should have been a whole lot easier for them to make it.

    To have to sit here and talk about them marginalizing ANOTHER franchise legend is embarrassing in every imaginable way. A pathetic look from an organization that has done alot of things right since Bob Harlan took over in the late 80s.

  87. A quarterback shouldn’t be trying to get his head coach fired. What have the Packers done since firing McCarthy? How did that improve their situation?
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    McCarthy shouldn’t have been allowed on teh team plane after that DISASTER in 2014.

  88. maverick7wi says:
    May 27, 2021 at 10:24 am
    Simple answer to the question. Rodgers is paid to play QB. He’s not paid to do the GM’s job.
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    Yeah, don’t listen to your future HoF QB. What does he know. Let us go with the new GM who quickly brought in Deshone Kizer to back up Rodgers. Then the next season, drafts a QB in the 1st round that doesn’t even dress for a single game. If you’re in your SB window, why not draft players who would make an instant impact on the field? Nope.

  89. The lack of talent at skill positions is exactly why we’re having this discussion.
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    Not being able to prevent teams from hanging 30+ in Title games is why we’re having this discussion

  90. Commenters here are making some HUGE leaps of logic and filling in blanks with nothing but speculation and assumptions. Rodgers is the GB franchise QB but nowhere has he said he wants to play GM Jr. And it’s not about being “afraid” of Love – holy cow is that a ridiculous take.

    It’s about respect. An NFL franchise QB is NOT “an employee” in the sense that any of us may be. He’s the face of the franchise and the key to any success the team may or may not have. Letting him know ahead of time that they might draft his future replacement would show him respect and give him a clue as to their future plans for him.

    This isn’t totally black & white, Rodgers isn’t perfect, but wow, suddenly he’s the devil because his team has disrespected him? Sure, he makes a TON of money – but the fact that the team pays him a ton of money should make it obvious that they should treat him with respect and understand his value.

    The Packers created this situation, and it would be impossible for Rodgers to meet the entire world’s willy-nilly standards in how they feel he should’ve handled this. I will also add – it’s in the team’s best interest to make Rodgers look bad to the public.

  91. They should have told him in advanced. Just a few days before, Rodgers was talking about playing into his 40s and retiring a Packer. Then he mused about them taking a Wide Receiver.

    trading up for Love without letting Rodgers know they were thinking about it, was a punch in the gut.

  92. The funny part here is even if the information the Packers were wanting to trade up to draft love in the first had leaked it would have only been met with laughter since everyone else considered love a 4th round prospect.

  93. Rodgers is being a jerk. He can take his constant chip on his shoulder and leave.

  94. First off, no team in the history of the NFL ever drafted a QB in the first round without the expectation that he would eventually be the starter.
    That means to keep Rodgers and Love, they would have to pick up Love’s 5th year option while still paying Rodgers and that just won’t happen, so Rodgers would have to be gone before they pick up Love’s option.

    Knowing this Rodgers really has little incentive to stick around knowing he’s not going to be here in 3 years and knowing that Green Bay is not drafting for a win now scenario, but for a rebuild scenario. He knows he’d be much better off leaving now so he play out his last few years with a new team.

    Make’s little to no sense to me as to why Green Bay is doing this. Their best chance to win another SB is with Rodgers and they should of had that goal in drafting because if they lose Rodgers it will be years at best before they become a contender again, Green Bay fans are delusional if they think they can win without Rodgers, but this is what they are choosing to do and Rodgers understands this.

  95. If LaFleur didn’t know about the pick either, that suggests another level of dysfunction. While the coach doesn’t make the pick, he should at least have some significant input and collaboration on it.

  96. Holmgren’s frozen ‘stache says:
    May 27, 2021 at 12:32 pm

    A quarterback shouldn’t be trying to get his head coach fired. What have the Packers done since firing McCarthy? How did that improve their situation?

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    McCarthy shouldn’t have been allowed on teh team plane after that DISASTER in 2014.

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    You’re going to blame McCarthy for that 2014 NFC championship game loss against the Seahawks, despite Rodgers throwing just one touchdown pass the whole game? He also threw two picks, and the offense could not drive the ball down the field to score touchdowns. His defense gifted him with five takeaways from the Seahawks. Wilson threw four picks. That loss was not on his head coach. Rodgers was throwing the ball at the ground on 4th down and inches, in some of those losses in McCarthy’s last season. That was highly unusual. He is most certainly not a team player. I’ll ask again, what have the Packers accomplished since firing McCarthy? Nothing. The common denominator is Aaron Rodgers.

  97. scottishvike says:
    May 27, 2021 at 10:20 am
    Another explanation would be they didn’t plan to draft Love but when he was still available they felt he was the best option at that moment in time.
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    While I truly believe this could be the case, they should have exercised better “on the clock” judgement than they did. They had to have known the stir picking a QB in the first round would cause. It wasn’t a glaring need. It wasn’t a “too good to pass up” pick at that point. They could have traded out of the pick and added more picks. They could have drafted the BPA outside of QB – there were plenty of talented players taken after that pick. Instead they chose a QB and must now deal with the consequences.

  98. You’re going to blame McCarthy for that 2014 NFC championship game loss against the Seahawks, despite Rodgers throwing just one touchdown pass the whole game?
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    Yes.

    12-point lead with 3:58 to go.

    Its the most epic meltdown I’ve ever seen. Fueled by typical, horrid McCarthy play calling.

  99. jameshodges says:
    May 27, 2021 at 12:09 pm

    A quarterback shouldn’t be trying to get his head coach fired. What have the Packers done since firing McCarthy? How did that improve their situation?

    The Packers have gone 13-3 in the two seasons since MM was let go and have reached the NFC title game both of those seasons. That’s an improvement.

  100. I’ll ask again, what have the Packers accomplished since firing McCarthy? Nothing.
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    Hardly worth answering.. but since you weren’t paying attention;

    back-to-back 13-3s and 2 NFC Title games.

    Meanwhile, if Mac has another poor season, he’ll be fired. Again.

  101. I don’t know about comparing Alex Smith and Rodgers. Mahomes being the target may have been a secret, but A. Smith being on the outs certainly was not. There is literally nothing the Packers could have done to make drafting of QB go over better with Rodgers. Guy is the epitome of drama queen. Alex Smith is a professional.

  102. jameshodges says:
    May 27, 2021 at 1:08 pm

    You’re going to blame McCarthy for that 2014 NFC championship game loss against the Seahawks, despite Rodgers throwing just one touchdown pass the whole game? He also threw two picks, and the offense could not drive the ball down the field to score touchdowns. His defense gifted him with five takeaways from the Seahawks. Wilson threw four picks. That loss was not on his head coach. Rodgers was throwing the ball at the ground on 4th down and inches, in some of those losses in McCarthy’s last season. That was highly unusual. He is most certainly not a team player. I’ll ask again, what have the Packers accomplished since firing McCarthy? Nothing. The common denominator is Aaron Rodgers.
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    The Packers had a 16-0 lead at halftime of the NFC Championship game against Seattle. Any competent coach should be able to hold that lead. Also, the critical play in the second half was Brandon Bostwick trying to field the onside kick, instead of blocking an oncoming Seattle player and letting the man behind him field the ball. That is a coaching failure.

    Again, the Packers have gone 13-3 in the two seasons post MM. They have reached the NFC Championship game in both of those seasons. Each of those constitutes accomplishing much more than nothing.

    You really need to stop commenting on Packers articles because it is obvious that you know nothing about the team’s history.

  103. pkrjones says:
    May 27, 2021 at 11:45 am
    Did Gute “need” to consult Jaire Alexander before drafting Stokes this year? No, Alexander is a player and the GM’s job is to amass talent. QB position is no different, amass talent and the best player(s) plays. Is Rodgers THAT insecure that he can’t handle ANY competition? This act is getting VERY old…looking forward to June 1st news.
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    You seriously comparing a CB in his prime on his first contract. Where there’s two other slots at corner? To QB where Rodgers has payed his dues for 16 years? Obviously Rodgers isn’t scared of competition with an MVP year. Teams were ready to give up farms. What’s the fear? The issue is disrespect guy has put in his time and the team couldn’t even bother to let him know.

  104. If you don’t trust your franchise QB, it means you’ve mishandled your relationship with him.

    The Packers have what every team would kill to have, and they can’t even get out of their own way. They should have multiple trophies with Rodgers; instead, they have “good enough”.

    Every additional bit of info and analysis of this situation makes the Packers’ front office look worse. And when the starting point for looking bad is trading up in the first round to draft Love, that’s saying something.

  105. I would suggest that those defending the Packers’ results – NFC title games, offensive stats – as a way to defend the front office are missing the point.

    Aaron Rodgers has always made the team competitive no matter who is on it. When he starts, they are contenders. That’s not the issue. The issue is that extra margin that is the difference when it comes to the playoffs.

    Anyone who’s watched their playoff games in recent years has seen that they’ve needed that one additional x-factor to make it through. Just that one extra playmaker who can make the difference. They always seem to run out of options just when the opposing team has one or two more tricks up their sleeve.

    It’s that margin of error that is sabotaged when they do things like trading up to draft a 1st-round QB who never takes a snap, or not drafting a receiver before the third round, or never putting it together well enough on defense.

    Rodgers doesn’t need much help to get to the playoffs. But, just like every QB, he needs all the help he can get once he’s there. A “good enough” team isn’t good enough.

  106. Holmgren’s frozen ‘stache says:
    May 27, 2021 at 12:40 pm
    The lack of talent at skill positions is exactly why we’re having this discussion.
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    Yeah, a top 5 RB, a top 3 WR, a celebrated offensive line, the most efficient TE in the league with the all time great ARodg at QB. Absolutely no talent at all.

  107. Because he’s a player.

    Stay in your lane, do your job, son. You wanna be GM? Then retire and go find a GM’s job.

  108. Why should the organization have to share this with him? They don’t want to tell someone who is bitching and complaining all the time. Maybe if Rodgers wasn’t such a big know it all and they trusted him they might have shared it with him. They are sick of it. I think the Packer fans will turn on Rodgers in the end. Think the fans always liked Brett Favre over Aaron Rodgers. Even though Rodgers is the better qb. They liked the awe shucks Brett Favre. Rodgers has always seemed like an outsider here.

  109. Maybe Rodgers can be a GM after he is done playing. He should shut his mouth and play until that time!!!

  110. gibson45 says:
    May 27, 2021 at 1:27 pm
    jameshodges says:
    May 27, 2021 at 12:09 pm

    A quarterback shouldn’t be trying to get his head coach fired. What have the Packers done since firing McCarthy? How did that improve their situation?

    The Packers have gone 13-3 in the two seasons since MM was let go and have reached the NFC title game both of those seasons. That’s an improvement.
    ____________________________________________________

    It seems to me that you Packers fans are satisfied with losing in NFC championship games. That’s cool, but it’s quite pathetic at the same time. Would you rather go 10-6 or 11-5 to win another super bowl or 15-1 and lose in the divisional round or NFC championship? This team has not improved with Rodgers. Look at his playoff record since that 2010 season. That is the bottom line. Teams don’t play to choke in conference championship games.

  111. This team has not improved with Rodgers
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    “Let the hate flow through you!”

    The defense torpedoed in 2011. Rodgers and a pretty solid cast of offensive core players have kept them competitive.

    I hope to hear your commentary when/if Rodgers is dealt, and this is a 4-6 win team with a young QB learning teh ropes.

  112. I think it’s a combination of all three factors. They probably didn’t have a deep plan to get Love. Maybe they thought it was possible but not likely. And I’m sure once they did decide, they thought telling Rodgers wasn’t a good idea, knowing how sensitive he is. He might have used it to force his way out or tank the pick. And it’s pretty clear the Packers consider him just a player with no personnel input. They’ve always been like that. . At this point, no one feels sorry for either side.

  113. Holmgren’s frozen ‘stache says:
    May 27, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    This team has not improved with Rodgers

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    “Let the hate flow through you!”

    The defense torpedoed in 2011. Rodgers and a pretty solid cast of offensive core players have kept them competitive.

    I hope to hear your commentary when/if Rodgers is dealt, and this is a 4-6 win team with a young QB learning teh ropes.

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    So, telling it like it is now constitutes as hate these days? You sound just as soft as Rodgers. The Packers had multiple All Pro players on their roster in 2020, such as Davante Adams, David Bakhtiari, Corey Linsley, Za’Darius Smith, and Jaire Alexander. The team is not winning another super bowl with Rodgers, so it’s no big deal if they don’t win another one anytime soon without him. He is toxic. However, it’s not to say all hope will be lost. If they trade Rodgers and acquire multiple first-round picks, they will be all set for the future. Had they done it a couple of months ago, maybe they could have drafted someone like Trey Lance.

  114. The timeline is the big question here. The theory I keep hearing is that the Packers traded up with the intention of drafting Brandon Aiyuk, but literally the pick before Green Bay, the 49ers grabbed him.

    Did Green Bay’s trade up to 26 go through before the 49ers’ pick at 25? If that’s what happened, and Gutekunst et al were scrambling against the clock for a different player worth a first–and apparently not finding one, given how it seems everyone else in the league had Love ranked–then a lot of things make more sense.

  115. Everybody wants respect. We all know that when we work for businesses, that decisions will be made in the best interest of the business. The least any of can expect is to be shown respect and to be told the truth.

  116. Why didn’t they? Same reason generals on the battlefield get flanked. Same reason investors jump in late, or sell early on a good thing. Same reason a person runs out of water on a hike and gets in real danger.
    Why didn’t they? They didn’t have the foresight, or the ability to do so. And the best of the best in any walk of life where a long term strategy is required, along with day to day responsibilities reveal themselves. GMs that make sure hey if this happens well do this, if this possibility comes up we’ll break glass and use the emergency option. Civic planning, opening a restaurant, buying a first home, starting a business all require a long term vision. No different in sports. This is a pass fail thing.
    Current packers GM -fails

  117. Exactly ZERO NFL teams are clamoring for Jordan Love. After Rodgers leaves Green Bay, they will be back to oblivion like before Favre. Let me put this nicely. The Packers GM is not very smart

  118. The real reason they lost a chance to go to the Super Bowl vs the Seahawks was McCarthy played Bud Grant Football, played not to lose instead of playing to win. A team reflects it’s coaches MO. Late the game the Packers made a pick, may have been Burnett and he had the whole sideline open and a chance to score, Peppers had him take a knee, that was the perfect example. On the other hand in the 2010 Super Bowl they played agressively to win throwing to Jennings and Nelson deep, and McCarthy had them measured for rings the day before a great moral booster and late in the year when Flynn missed beating the Pat’s when a lineman ran a kick back for a TD the Packers were huge underdogs prior to the game, McCarthy said “the Green Bay Packers are no ones under dogs”, too bad he reversed course and became Bud Grant.

  119. What’s wrong with the Packers making a business decision about a very good employee, who has a challenging personality, but hasn’t really gotten them close to a Super Bowl WIN since 2011? His Cap hit keeps rising, while his window to win keeps shrinking. The guy has a lot of pull among the fan base. The NFL media machine venerates him. I just think the Pack made a PR move to expose Rodger’s personality so that when they move on, only 50% of the fan base would go crazy. For most organizations 10 years of getting close and falling short is usually a good indicator that its time to move one. That is what is happening here.

  120. It doesn’t matter what they told Rodgers. They made a team decision to replace Rodgers. The only problem was he went out and had an MVP season, and now they’re stuck, so they’re trying to get Rodgers to be the bad guy and want out. Actions speak much louder than words. You don’t trade up to take a QB in the first round unless you’re giving him the job. Otherwise, the entire front office would have been fired, and that didn’t happen. Read the handwriting on the wall.

  121. mogogo1 says:
    May 27, 2021 at 10:31 am

    “In other words, did the Packers fear that Rodgers would have gotten the word out that the Packers were targeting Love, in the hopes that someone else would get him?”
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    That seems more than a bit farfetched. Love was a surprising pick not just because the Packers needed immediate help on D but also because he was roundly viewed as being taken too high. “Getting the word out” wasn’t likely to make some other team make an even bigger reach by taking him still earlier.
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    Thats a good point. I dont care about the Packers or Rodgers one way or the other BUT Love was a complete wasted pick for a team that should be competing for championships with a star QB in his prime. Rodgers is a crybaby but this current GM is squandering the opportunity to field a good enough team to win it all. Love was a bad pick plain and simple for the current roster in Green Bay. Forget about Rodgers insecurity or whatever but you drafted a guy in the 1st rd that may not see the field in 4-5 years, maybe longer, he may never be worth a crap.

  122. Seriously… I doubt that AR cares about Jordan Love, why would he? This drama is little more than a guaranteed money pitch like Cousins got and the reason he pointed his finger directly at Gute, who likely said NFW. Can AR ride the pitch, yes he can, his net worth sits at 120M his girlfriend sits at 12M plus residuals. He can pick up 18M a year from Jeopardy if selected as the host. While it’s not like he needs the money he stands to lose for this upcoming season, it’s more of a wager for his retirement – he gets the guaranteed money and retires in 2-3 years or he retires now without that stocking stuffer. Either way, he is financially setting pretty, it’s not about the “people” – it’s about retiring from the NFL now or in a couple of years.

  123. If I am a player on the Packers, I’d be upset with our QB. First, those players want to be competitive, have chances to win Super Bowls, and have good careers. None of them want to spend 4 or 5 years of their 8 year career in a rebuild after he leaves. They deserve to be competitive with him…or without him.

    Secondly, if he is actively telling other players he isn’t going to be there…so don’t come to GB….he could keep his gear in the parking lot because I wouldn’t want him in my locker room.

    He isn’t going to play forever…this is just about him.

  124. Because he is an employee, not an owner or senior executive.

    Any diva that freaks over succession planning has stayed past his time.

    Rodgers is an world-class diva.

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