Bill Cowher downplays impact of Spygate on AFC Championship losses to New England

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Bill Cowher finished his coaching career with two Super Bowl appearances. He could have had two more, but for AFC Championship encounters with the Patriots in 2001 and 2004.

Cowher’s new autobiography, written with Michael Holley, debuts today. The book contains no mention of Spygate, the cheating scandal that became an asterisk to the first three Super Bowls won by New England under Bill Belichick.

Cowher explained his reasoning in an interview with Ed Bouchette of TheAthletic.com. Put simply, Cowher accepts the fact that rules get bent and broken all the time in football.

“It’s only cheating if you get caught,” Cowher told Bouchette. “Like any player, if you’re going to hold him, don’t get caught. If you get caught you’re wrong, if you don’t you’re right. I always thought we never lost the games to New England because of Spygate. If [Belichick] got the [defensive] calls because we didn’t do a very good job of making sure we signaled those in, that’s on us, it’s not on him. Because we’re always looking for competitive edges. I think as any coach whether it’s someone’s stance, someone’s split, someone’s formation [that tips off a play]. You’re looking at someone’s eyes, how are they coming out of a huddle? You’re always looking for those little things that give you a competitive edge and that to me is what that was.”

The problem with Spygate came from the manner in which the edge was obtained. The Patriots videotaped defensive coaching signals, in violation of the rules. And they got caught.

Other rules get broken. Cowher’s attitude seems to be that, as long as you’re not caught, it’s not cheating. For example, Cowher writes in his book that, when he weighed in at the N.C. State Pro Day in advance of his entry to the NFL, he slipped a weighted plate in his pants, so that he’d be heavier. He compared that act of cheating to the Patriots’ acts of cheating.

Cowher also insists that any knowledge that the Patriots may have had about the defensive coaching signals made no difference.

“We didn’t lose the game because of that,” Cowher said. “We lost the game because they executed better than we did.”

Right, but it’s always easier to execute when knowing what the opponent will do. Uncertainty fuels hesitation, which enhances execution. If you know what the other team is doing, execution immediately becomes enhanced.

Cowher may have downplayed Spygate because cheating is more widespread than most realize (it is), or because he didn’t want his book to undermine his relationship with Belichick. (Plenty of punches get pulled when it’s time to put pen to paper, for that very reason.)

“We go back pretty far,” Cowher said. “I have a lot of respect for him. He loves the game. We shared a lot of time together and time off the field, teaching each other about linebacker play and defensive backfield play. It came down to us being finalists for the 1991 Cleveland Browns job and he got the job and I didn’t. We went from friends to adversaries the next year because I found myself the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers. As we competed against each other it was just a great competition.”

All’s fair in competition, apparently. Including cheating — especially if you don’t get caught at it.

168 responses to “Bill Cowher downplays impact of Spygate on AFC Championship losses to New England

  1. Much respect to Cowher on this. Spoken like a true warrior, no excuses.

  2. Wow, with that attitude about team sponsored cheating, I’m surprised we haven’t had a team sponsored PED program. Sounds like as long as you don’t get caught Bill is all for it.

  3. Taping a team’s Defensive signals is not illegal. In 2006, the NFL designated places you couldn’t tape from. In 2007, the Pats were caught taping from one of those places. That is Spygate. It had nothing to do with the Steelers, and definitely had nothing to do with games in 2001 and 2004.

  4. The molehill that the media needed to make a mountain out of……
    BSPN leading the way….the TMZ of sports reporting….

  5. Exactly. The Pats broke a rule (location of the camera within the stadium), but they did not cheat. And as Belichick once said “The guy’s giving signals in front of 80,000 people”.

  6. joshuadwatson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:00 am
    Taping a team’s Defensive signals is not illegal. In 2006, the NFL designated places you couldn’t tape from. In 2007, the Pats were caught taping from one of those places. That is Spygate. It had nothing to do with the Steelers, and definitely had nothing to do with games in 2001 and 2004.

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    No, the Ray Anderson memo barred teams from filming period – “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

  7. Don’t forget Bill works in the media on a network that might as well be Patriots t.v network. Probably didn’t want to ruffle any feathers and say what we all know. The Patriots are full blown cheaters.

  8. cheating LOL – ridiculous overblown blather – they were on the sideline filming okay. if they were 30ft away in the first row of seats its not cheating. how stupid is that. so now the Patriots are cheaters – what a joke.

    baseball teams change there signals every day if necessary. like veal66 said: he Pats broke a rule (location of the camera within the stadium), but they did not cheat. And as Belichick once said “The guy’s giving signals in front of 80,000 people”

    bingo ! its so easy and lazy using the word cheat – Cowher is right but this whole cheating thing is ridiculous. Now Tomlin sticking his leg out and tripping a guy is okay now. no one calls him a cheater. he’s a respected coach in the league right?

  9. Why was the rule changed on 9.6.06 by Goodell and not voted on? It’s
    amazing to me how the media keeps lying to protect Goodell.

    I’ll tell you why: Goodell was hired to cheat and bully successful teams for financial reasons. That’s why. NE had won 3SBs in 4 years and the Jets wanted BB stopped from winning. Obviously, once you beat upynat many teams, a lot of owners are going to side with the Jets and pile on.

    BB knew it and mocked the Jets. That’s it That’s not cheating.

    Our country is so dumb they actually believe NE did something different than other teams when they didn’t.

    Isn’t it a bit suspicious for rule changes the league votes on it and then in this case, they didn’t? Why is that?

    Also, why was changing how this rule was worded occur on 9.6.06, Goodell’s first day on the job???

    NE has never cheated. Period.

  10. Cowher has also said every team has a coach whose job is to try to get the other teams signals.

    I recall Rex Ryan saying, when this all went down, (paraphrasing)”there are about 15 or 16 teams who are now on alert”

  11. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:12 am
    joshuadwatson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:00 am
    Taping a team’s Defensive signals is not illegal. In 2006, the NFL designated places you couldn’t tape from. In 2007, the Pats were caught taping from one of those places. That is Spygate. It had nothing to do with the Steelers, and definitely had nothing to do with games in 2001 and 2004.

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    No, the Ray Anderson memo barred teams from filming period – “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

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    This is false. It’s the locations that matter. Teams film from the end zones and signals get on those tapes at some point.

    The reason why the locations are listed is because those are locations where coaches with decision making power have access DURiNG the game. This is alll about real time advantages.

    What NE did is what every single team does. BB mocking the Jets, wanting to be seen after the Jets broke the rule in Janaury 2007 i Foxborough with no punishment from Goodell is why BB mocked them.

    This is also why members can’t use cell phones during a game. It’s about technology in the game that day.

    You’re welcome. You people never have the right information.

  12. All the drama queen reaction to the taping is silly. Belichick thought he was okay because he didn’t use the tapes during that game. The bylaws clearly stated that if they “could” be used that game, they were verboten. Belichick stupidly ignored the Goodell memo saying knock it off. It was more about putting Belichick in his place and slapping the wildly successful Pats down, than any real concern about a competitive advantage.

  13. joshuadwatson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:00 am
    Taping a team’s Defensive signals is not illegal. In 2006, the NFL designated places you couldn’t tape from. In 2007, the Pats were caught taping from one of those places. That is Spygate. It had nothing to do with the Steelers, and definitely had nothing to do with games in 2001 and 2004.
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    Bill’s mistake was interpreting the memo his own way instead of the way it was intended. The memo was clear. Playing lawyer wasn’t Bill’s job and unfortunately he didn’t do the one thing that would have not made all of this happen – call the league and check if this was ok.

    It was a major blunder, and let’s be honest if it was any other coach it would have been fireable. Maybe it should have been anyway. But calling it cheating is a real stretch to me. Cheaters always and I mean ALWAYS hide what they are doing. Lance Armstrong, the Houston Astros, the 70’s Steelers and on and on. This was done out in the open in front of everyone to see.

  14. Belichick said that he thought since the rule in the NFL bylaws referred to using videotape to gain an advantage in the game, that he was on safe ground. He was trying to gain an advantage for future games, not the current one.

    It seems like he ignored the Ray Anderson memo, because he assumed the rules would be enforced according to the bylaws. He was wrong.

  15. @nygiantsownbrady

    Enjoy your two chips against the pats, we’ll deserved, but just stop. Taping is not illegal. It still happens in the stands today, personnel IN TEAM GEAR are doing it. Heck, I can go to a game and tape the sidelines with my phone if I want. It was about the location of the camera, however many rows it was off by, but it was off, and the pats were punished. Overly punished.

    And I’m sorry but if you still believe in ‘deflate gate’ after several millions of dollars were spent by the NFL trying to prove some elaborate ball deflation scheme didn’t work, then we can’t have meaningful discussions with you

  16. “Because we’re always looking for competitive edges.”

    Right, like the Bengals when the Bengals won the division with young Carson Palmer’s needle pointing straight up. Steelers make the playoffs as a wild card. Steelers dive at Palmer’s knees to shred his ACL, win the game, and set the Bengals back 18 months.

  17. The fact that the man works for CBS and the connection between CBS and the Patriots has nothing to do with his comments. I’m sure.

  18. 2010:
    Bill Cowher: “You know, let me just say this: To answer your question, no, I don’t think so (it’s not an advantage for one team over another).
    I just know as a head coach, you are always looking for a competitive edge. We had people out there trying to look at signals. We had guys go to games. They would tape the signal caller and also write it down. They would take it back and match up the signals with the game film and certain defenses with certain plays that were being called, particularly the defenses being called, to see if we could come up with some kind of an alert for a signal. So, what they did with videotaping the signal caller, people do it with the people in the stands!!
    These people sitting there in the stands, looking at the signal, writing it down and matching up the 1st and 10 signal. Ok? Then you go back again and the 2nd and 10 and here’s the signal. You do that for a whole game.
    You then go back and match up the defenses with the signal. And you can come up with what the signal was.
    So, you don;’t need a video tape with what they were talking about doing. And people were doing it. WE were doing that. Everybody does that. You’re TRYING to gain a competitive edge. There is nothing wrong with that.
    That’s why baseball players go through the mirage of signals. They’ve got all these different codes. That’s part of the competitive spirit of the game. I think it’s totally overblown. I think if you get caught (signals compromised), then do what we did and go to wristbands, you are worried about it. We started putting defenses on wristbands. Then you find a way to not get caught (signals compromised). When your good at something and people try steal from ya, I think it’s flattering.”

  19. Bill has been a Company Man for a long time now. As a talking head he doesn’t want to rock the boat by saying anything that would be against the company line

  20. Cowher said in 2014: “But it was something that everybody does. The only thing they got caught [was] doing it with a camera. We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game, and everybody attempted to do that.”

  21. I just don’t get why this constantly gets brought up. It’s been 20 years. Let it go. No one brings up the fact that the Broncos cheated the salary cap twice to win Super Bowls in the late 90’s at all and that WAS cheating.

  22. Goodell was caught cheating in 2013 in an OT game with NE vs the Jets.

    They called Chris Jones on a FG attempt foul when it was not a penalty.

    When the game ended, Blandin posted the rule at nfl.com but he forgot to change the wording to match the penalty was called, incorrectly on the field.

    Florio’a buddy Tom Curran caught him doing it, as he pulled it down from nfl.com, only to repost it hours later. lol

    When officials came to camps in July of 2013, they taught the new rule with action from the second level (players standing up) off the line. Chris Jones had has hand in the dirt as interior lineman.

    Goodell has been cheating for years and years and years and his punishment of this BB mocking the Jets is symbolic of that as is framing of Brady and 2 years ago in Cincy while the team was filming their 2nd tape related documentary of the season in Washington where nothing was said whatsoever.

    The bottom line is teams are jealous and know Goodell will cheat to keep his job.

    That’s the story. Goodell is the cheater but no one in the media will write the story with all this evidence out there.

  23. I think “The Diminutive One” doesn’t like it, others seem to be fine with it. Waaaaaa, Waaaaaa

  24. No, the Ray Anderson memo barred teams from filming period – “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

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    well the colts balls were underinflated as well and they’ve been to the playoffs once since and brady has won 4 superbowls since so who benefitted from underinflated footballs. obviously underinflated footballs didn’t help brady. thankfully the nfl fixed the situation so the pats could win some more.

  25. Taping signals is so misconstrued it is crazy. I am not sure if taping signials is legal now but it was still legal for a long time and what NE was doing wasnt illegal back then, as someone already stated it was deemed not legal in 2006 and what deemed not legal was not “taping signals” it was WHERE YOU WERE ALLOWED TO TAPE. Mangini was doing it in the illegal area in NY back in 2006 just as NE was but no one cares because the Jets suck. Mangini was pissed the next year in 07 that NE was doing it in Giants Stadium. He was petty but angry because there was A LOT of bad blood between he and Belichick. He only ratted out NE after a bad home loss. It obviously goes further than that Belichick had filed tampering charges against NY because Mangini was recruiting players to join the Jets on the Patriots flight home after the 05 WC loss in Denver. He also tampered with Branch who was disgruntled not having a new deal during the 2006 season. Now you could say Belichick and Mangini were both being petty towards each other (tampering charges and cheating accusations), but the fact of the matter is New England was only “ilegally taping” during the 2006 season and game 1 of the 2007 season. That part is left out because of their success, no one cares the Jets were doing it though because they were not very successful. Although I thought Mangini did do a good job in 2006, somewhat odd that HIS CAREER was the one that went down the toilet after the complaining to the league about Spygate.

  26. “Spygate”, which was an inappropriate name to begin with, had only to do with the locations where taping was allowed. The Pats didn’t get information they otherwise had no access to; they just recorded from a place that teams had always recorded from until a memo limited the options for recording locations. This was done to help keep the recording process from being something teams could access in real time during a game. That’s the tempest in this teapot.

    It didn’t give them an unfair advantage. It was the same information they and other teams already had access to.

  27. Cower knows that his team sponsored PED program was way worse and led to many more victories than spygate

  28. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:12 am

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

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    Oh, but we do know. The Pats won 3 more Super Bowls after Spygate, and made it to almost every conference championship game. If anything, they became better and more consistent as a team, even through big personnel changes.

    And with Brady, he actually played better and scored more in the second half of the game where the footballs were confiscated and then inflated to a specific level. He just won a Super Bowl and had an MVP-level season 15+ years after Spygate and 7 years after Deflategate.

    Controlling for every variable there is, the Pats were just the most capable team of that 20-year period, no asterisks, no ifs, ands or buts.

  29. capegolfer says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:45 am
    We’re still talking about this? Zzzzzzzzzz

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    Yep. I can smell the fear from here. NE had a great free agency and what appears to be a very strong draft.

    Hilarious how obvious it is.

  30. I keep seeing comments about how it’s not a crime if you don’t get caught. Well, they were caught and caught on a number of violations. They were caught because a coach that use to work for them knew it was wrong and told on the Pat’s. I hope now that we can put to rest the ole saying that “cheaters never prosper, because sometimes they do. Even after they are caught. N.E. = Astros.

  31. Is there some reason why ESPN cannot let this go? Good lord, how many years ago did this happen? And Deflategate too? How many more titles did the Patriots and Brady win since both of them? Is the Bucs’ Super Bowl win tainted as well?
    I’m a Niners fan and I always thought we had the gold standard in terms of a dynasty franchise. But let’s be honest, no one is touching that Patriots run. Ever. You won’t get the combination of the greatest QB and coach together and on the same page for 20 years. It just won’t ever happen again.

  32. havok82 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:52 am
    I just don’t get why this constantly gets brought up. It’s been 20 years. Let it go. No one brings up the fact that the Broncos cheated the salary cap twice to win Super Bowls in the late 90’s at all and that WAS cheating.

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    Denver didn’t form a dynasty after the greatest cheating scandal in nfl history. SF and Pitt did it for one year each, but Denver did it 3 years in a row while signing all the premier free agents. I rememeber at the time wonderinf how they could have a pricey veteran team and add so
    many pricey FAs at once. Well, we found out.

    But, yeah, NE formed a dynasty and that is bad for business. Owners knew it, Goodell was hired to cheat when “needed”.

    That’s why other teams openly cheat for real and nothing happens.

    Baltimore has cheated 3 times in 4 years in different ways and nothing happens because Bisciotti is a memeber at Augusta and Goodell plays there with him.

  33. troy43mvp says:
    June 1, 2021 at 11:18 am
    I keep seeing comments about how it’s not a crime if you don’t get caught. Well, they were caught and caught on a number of violations. They were caught because a coach that use to work for them knew it was wrong and told on the Pat’s. I hope now that we can put to rest the ole saying that “cheaters never prosper, because sometimes they do. Even after they are caught. N.E. = Astros.

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    Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy, too?

  34. I don’t think it gave NE an advantage – but why did they do it?

    It’s been hard enough for the rest of the league to keep up w/ that team. They don’t have to cut corners or push any envelopes.

    Just play the game on the field, under the established rules. They could have done that, and still have 6 Lombardi’s…without the footnote.

  35. Videotaping was and still is perfectly legal. It’s just a question of where. Reading the very detailed analysis in Bleacher Report, article 199345 dated June 14, 2009 is illuminating.

  36. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:12 am
    joshuadwatson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:00 am
    Taping a team’s Defensive signals is not illegal. In 2006, the NFL designated places you couldn’t tape from. In 2007, the Pats were caught taping from one of those places. That is Spygate. It had nothing to do with the Steelers, and definitely had nothing to do with games in 2001 and 2004.

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    No, the Ray Anderson memo barred teams from filming period – “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

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    It was cold and rainy here last Friday and Saturday and my tire pressure was down 4 PSI. Tom Brady must have snuck into my garage and let some air out of my tires. But here is the interesting thing, he must have come back and re-inflated them because now that it’s in the 70s again they are back where they started!!

  37. Cowher’s relationship to Schottenheimer, the king of stealing signals, might also have something to do with his view of Spygate.

  38. SteveYoungThrowAndRun says:
    June 1, 2021 at 11:19 am
    Is there some reason why ESPN cannot let this go? Good lord, how many years ago did this happen? And Deflategate too? How many more titles did the Patriots and Brady win since both of them? Is the Bucs’ Super Bowl win tainted as well?
    I’m a Niners fan and I always thought we had the gold standard in terms of a dynasty franchise. But let’s be honest, no one is touching that Patriots run. Ever. You won’t get the combination of the greatest QB and coach together and on the same page for 20 years. It just won’t ever happen again.

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    ESPN has made a lot of money

    If Kraft had sued the Herald after the Tomase lies, I am convinced Framegate 2 would not have occurred or Framegate 3 in Cincy in 2019.

    These stupid articles would stop being recycled over and over with the same incessant lies.

    You’d thing journalist with integrity would simply ask why the rule change wasn’t voted on as all rules are needing 25 teams to approve.

    The media is lazy, can lie for financial gain, and here
    we are as a failed society allowing it to happen.

    Florio is one of the worst offenders by giving his .02 as a salty Steelers fan whose own real cheating with PEDs and the salary cap or Tomlin never being punished for in-game intentional cheating, has enough to keep him busy.

  39. Belichick stupidly ignored the Goodell memo saying knock it off.
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    If Bill was planning to do that then a quick 2 minute phone call to the league to check would have saved a lot of grief. Unfortunately he didn’t and we know what happened after that. Even Bill himself said it was a mistake and he’d never do anything like that again.

  40. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:12 am
    joshuadwatson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:00 am
    Taping a team’s Defensive signals is not illegal. In 2006, the NFL designated places you couldn’t tape from. In 2007, the Pats were caught taping from one of those places. That is Spygate. It had nothing to do with the Steelers, and definitely had nothing to do with games in 2001 and 2004.

    ___________________________________________________

    No, the Ray Anderson memo barred teams from filming period – “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

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    Winners find a way to win, no matter what. They won 3 more while under heavy scrutiny. Winners win, losers complain, but I dont remember Patriot fans complaining much after the Giants took two of their titles home.

  41. GoodellMustGo says:
    June 1, 2021 at 11:39 am
    Belichick stupidly ignored the Goodell memo saying knock it off.
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    If Bill was planning to do that then a quick 2 minute phone call to the league to check would have saved a lot of grief. Unfortunately he didn’t and we know what happened after that. Even Bill himself said it was a mistake and he’d never do anything like that again.

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    Ironically, they called in to check with 345 Park Ave the week of the divisional rd game vs Baltimore on the TE/Tackle substitution plays Bama was running. The NFL allowed it, NE ran it, and Whinebaugh did what he always does as the sore loser he is. Brady told him to check the rulebook, and Framegate 2 was initiated the next week.

    NE has been framed 3 times now and lied about repeatedly.

  42. Fans are the people who have problems when they get caught cheating. That’s because, they all do something that someone would call cheating. If your not cheating, your not trying… and cower is 100% correct, with all of the elite offensive and defensive units in the league, usually the opponent knows what they’re going to do because of film study, but they just do it anyways because they’re better at the plays they run.

  43. If people think sign stealing and ball pressure led to six super bowl wins, how come the Jets, Broncos, Browns, Chargers, and Steelers never accomplished the same over the course of nineteen seasons? It didn’t help Brady to make those tight throws in the playoffs, it didn’t help Adam Vinatieri’s leg to kick those game-winning field goals, and it didn’t help them against the Ravens and Broncos in the post-season. Heck, Brady just won his seventh super bowl, and it was without Belichick and his system.

  44. kevpft says:
    June 1, 2021 at 11:12 am
    nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:12 am

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

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    Oh, but we do know. The Pats won 3 more Super Bowls after Spygate, and made it to almost every conference championship game. If anything, they became better and more consistent as a team, even through big personnel changes.

    And with Brady, he actually played better and scored more in the second half of the game where the footballs were confiscated and then inflated to a specific level. He just won a Super Bowl and had an MVP-level season 15+ years after Spygate and 7 years after Deflategate.

    Controlling for every variable there is, the Pats were just the most capable team of that 20-year period, no asterisks, no ifs, ands or buts.

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    This is like an A+ student cheating on an exam when he didn’t need to cheat. That student is still tainted.

  45. nhpats2011 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 11:27 am
    nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:12 am
    joshuadwatson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:00 am
    Taping a team’s Defensive signals is not illegal. In 2006, the NFL designated places you couldn’t tape from. In 2007, the Pats were caught taping from one of those places. That is Spygate. It had nothing to do with the Steelers, and definitely had nothing to do with games in 2001 and 2004.

    ___________________________________________________

    No, the Ray Anderson memo barred teams from filming period – “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

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    It was cold and rainy here last Friday and Saturday and my tire pressure was down 4 PSI. Tom Brady must have snuck into my garage and let some air out of my tires. But here is the interesting thing, he must have come back and re-inflated them because now that it’s in the 70s again they are back where they started!!
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    You can argue the science explains the PSI levels at the 2014 AFC Championship game. However, it is unlikely that the Patriots ball boy got the name “the deflator” from just one game. Rather, the more logical explanation is that he was deflating footballs in multiple games. Goodell got it RIGHT. Brady was and always be a cheater. Why is it that whenever deflategate or spygate are mentioned, Pats fans have paragraph long explanations to justify the scandals?

  46. This is like an A+ student cheating on an exam when he didn’t need to cheat. That student is still tainted.

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    How did the ball boy doctor the balls before he got the needle?

  47. However, it is unlikely that the Patriots ball boy got the name “the deflator” from just one game.

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    The ball boy’s daily job is deflating and inflating football. Why are you surprised that he called himself a “deflator”?

  48. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:12 am

    No, the Ray Anderson memo barred teams from filming period – “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    The problem is no one knows how much the video taping helped the Pats. Same thing with Brady deflating the footballs. Therefore, there deserves to be a huge asterisk next to the team’s accomplishments.

    —————-
    Anybody who still contends there are no designated areas to film signals from has purposely and intentionally come to the wrong conclusion. With as much time that has passed and the information out there there simply is no more excuses available for that.

    The memo from Anderson was reinforcing the rules that do not permit the use of filming from locations where the tape could be used during the same game. It is absolutely mind numbing how fans can still contend stealing signals is illegal. Even more so to suggest that designated locations do not exist where there is an infinite amount if information that proves that is pure fiction. The NFL has a rich history of filming from designated locations. It’s why the same operations manual also states “all video shooting locations must be enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead.”

    We also absolutely know how much deflated footballs helped Brady. There’s a reason why the NFL refused to publish their mockery of measuring football PSI the following season. They very quickly realized what every cold team has known for decades.

    The only reason fans still insist on a “huge asterisk” next to the Patriots is because they are simply too lazy to compare pre\post Spygate and pre\post Deflategate stats. If they did so they’d very quickly realize how ridiculous they are being.

  49. Everyone seems to forget that the Jets were caught doing the exact same thing the season prior to Spygate, but NE didn’t report them to the league. If I’m remembering correctly there was another team caught as well, maybe a year or two prior – but those articles are hard to find and no one chooses to remember them.

    Spygate is vastly overblown. There have been many games – before and since Spygate – where the losing team will say afterward “the defense was calling out our plays before the snap”, and…well, that mystery goes uninvestigated.

    Teams are always looking for an advantage. Every team does it.

  50. Ah yes, all these years the yahoos on this board have cried “cheaters!”, “they only win because they cheat!”.

    And then Old Man Brady went to a new team and won a Lombardi in his very first season with his new team.

    Cling to your fantasies all you want. BB is the best NFL coach in the history of the game.

  51. And one other key piece of info that gets forgotten by many – Goodell came out of the Jets organization. Does anyone think that wasn’t involved in his Spygate decisions?

  52. nygiantsownbrady,

    Don’t bring up “he destroyed his phone” agenda. That is utterly stupid, because there are hundreds, if not thousands, of reasons to destroy his phone, like nude pictures of his wife.

    To claim that he destroyed the phone because he cheated is like claiming “my father is a man, therefore every man is my father”, not mention the league could find messages with the phones of others if it really was interested in fact.

  53. You can argue the science explains the PSI levels at the 2014 AFC Championship game. However, it is unlikely that the Patriots ball boy got the name “the deflator” from just one game. Rather, the more logical explanation is that he was deflating footballs in multiple games. Goodell got it RIGHT. Brady was and always be a cheater. Why is it that whenever deflategate or spygate are mentioned, Pats fans have paragraph long explanations to justify the scandals?

    Maybe he was named the “deflater” because that was his JOB. But not in a nefarious way
    every team has a guy the works on the footballs maybe he was to inflate or deflate the balls to the psi level that Brady likes.

    And the HOME team supplies the ball boys so the “deflater didn’t travel with the team. The visiting team doesn’t handle the balls so how do you explain Brady’s at stats being almost identical for home and away games.

    You can’t.

    And why was there only one text from Brady found to the ball boys telling them to make sure the refs know what the correct psi levels should be according to the rules.

    The only people who call Brady a “cheater “ are jealous fans from other teams.

    I would think players from other teams wouldn’t line up to shake the hand of a player if they thought he was a cheater.

    And you may want to change that lame user name , pretty sure the Giants haven’t beaten a team QB by Brady in 10 years. That’s hardly “owning “ someone. Hasn’t he won the last 3?

    I’ll leave Giants fans with this .. Brady has won more SB since 2011 than the giants have won playoff games.

    Yeah, let that sink in.

  54. flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 12:29 pm
    You can argue the science explains the PSI levels at the 2014 AFC Championship game. However, it is unlikely that the Patriots ball boy got the name “the deflator” from just one game. Rather, the more logical explanation is that he was deflating footballs in multiple games. Goodell got it RIGHT. Brady was and always be a cheater. Why is it that whenever deflategate or spygate are mentioned, Pats fans have paragraph long explanations to justify the scandals?

    Maybe he was named the “deflater” because that was his JOB. But not in a nefarious way
    every team has a guy the works on the footballs maybe he was to inflate or deflate the balls to the psi level that Brady likes.

    And the HOME team supplies the ball boys so the “deflater didn’t travel with the team. The visiting team doesn’t handle the balls so how do you explain Brady’s at stats being almost identical for home and away games.

    You can’t.

    And why was there only one text from Brady found to the ball boys telling them to make sure the refs know what the correct psi levels should be according to the rules.

    The only people who call Brady a “cheater “ are jealous fans from other teams.

    I would think players from other teams wouldn’t line up to shake the hand of a player if they thought he was a cheater.

    And you may want to change that lame user name , pretty sure the Giants haven’t beaten a team QB by Brady in 10 years. That’s hardly “owning “ someone. Hasn’t he won the last 3?

    I’ll leave Giants fans with this .. Brady has won more SB since 2011 than the giants have won playoff games.

    Yeah, let that sink in.

    ___________________________________

    Another paragraph long explanation from Pats fans.

    If the ball boy’s job was to inflate and deflate balls, why didn’t he call himself the “inflator?” Why did he threaten to go to ESPN? For what reason? And why did Brady DESTROY his cell phone a few days before meeting with Ted Wells? And it’s not because he’s a celebrity and routinely destroys his phone – that was a lie. In fact, Brady handed TWO other cell phones to Ted Wells from prior time periods…just not the cell phone he used during the period of the 2014 AFC Championship game, which was destroyed. Therefore, Goodell was justified in finding that Brady was a LIAR.

    Maybe Brady has won more SBs than the Giants have since 2011. However, none of the Giants super bowls are tainted. That’s going to eat Brady for the rest of his life.

  55. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 12:01 pm

    You can argue the science explains the PSI levels at the 2014 AFC Championship game. However, it is unlikely that the Patriots ball boy got the name “the deflator” from just one game. Rather, the more logical explanation is that he was deflating footballs in multiple games. Goodell got it RIGHT. Brady was and always be a cheater. Why is it that whenever deflategate or spygate are mentioned, Pats fans have paragraph long explanations to justify the scandals?

    __________________________________________

    Asked and answered re: Pats fans and the paragraph long explanations. Science explained the PSI levels at the 2014 AFC Championship game yet here we are entertaining the notion that “logic” supersedes that explanation.

  56. Another paragraph long explanation from Pats fans.

    If the ball boy’s job was to inflate and deflate balls, why didn’t he call himself the “inflator?” Why did he threaten to go to ESPN? For what reason? And why did Brady DESTROY his cell phone a few days before meeting with Ted Wells? And it’s not because he’s a celebrity and routinely destroys his phone – that was a lie. In fact, Brady handed TWO other cell phones to Ted Wells from prior time periods…just not the cell phone he used during the period of the 2014 AFC Championship game, which was destroyed. Therefore, Goodell was justified in finding that Brady was a LIAR.

    So you point out a “paragraph explanation “ with a paragraph of your own

    Oh and remind me who was the ONLY person in the whole situation that got caught in a lie was?

    Oh yeah it was Roger Goodell.

    And it still amazes me that morons use the “he destroyed his phone”

    Do we still not understand how this works. If there was something on his phone to the ball guys and email or a text it would have been on there phones , that’s how that works.
    And they found nothing on there founds other than a text from Brady telling them to make sure the officials know the correct psi level rules

  57. And didn’t the Giants accuse the Steelers of having under inflated footballs?

    Why is it nothing ever came of that.

    If people think “deflate gate was real those people are hopeless

    Hell even the guy (wells) who worked backwards for three months to try and prove the nfl was correct couldn’t even do it.

    And like I said only one person got caught in a lie, that was Goodell

  58. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 12:42 pm

    Another paragraph long explanation from Pats fans.

    If the ball boy’s job was to inflate and deflate balls, why didn’t he call himself the “inflator?” Why did he threaten to go to ESPN? For what reason? And why did Brady DESTROY his cell phone a few days before meeting with Ted Wells? And it’s not because he’s a celebrity and routinely destroys his phone – that was a lie. In fact, Brady handed TWO other cell phones to Ted Wells from prior time periods…just not the cell phone he used during the period of the 2014 AFC Championship game, which was destroyed. Therefore, Goodell was justified in finding that Brady was a LIAR.

    Maybe Brady has won more SBs than the Giants have since 2011. However, none of the Giants super bowls are tainted. That’s going to eat Brady for the rest of his life.
    ======================
    It’s reasonable to raise suspicion re: Brady’s missing phone. What isn’t reasonable is:

    1) Having a years worth of texts before\after the time in question on the missing phone, finding nothing and walking away with the notion that somehow a 5 month period of time constitutes years worth of nefarious activities that spans Brady’s entire career. Let’s be clear on that … the missing phone encompassed 5 months of data with nothing before or after that ever indicted him on anything. So regardless of where you fall on this, there isn’t a lot there to suggest is was a long standing scheme to deflate footballs.

    2) As much as it’s disingenuous to think Brady’s phone disappearing wasn’t suspect, the same holds true for the NFL for refusing to do anything what so ever with the phone logs Brady provided from that phone during the “appeal”. Wells was looking for key words within texts and calls among key figures. It’s simply not believable that the phone numbers from those key figures were not known. A scan of the log (at the very least) would have confirmed if any communications were taking place. Even if the substance wasn’t known. All the NFL had to do was look at the logs and simply ask why Brady was calling\texting said person and place the burden of a response back onto Brady. The fact the NFL refused to look at the logs indicated they were building a case on a smoking gun that existed on a non existent phone. If Brady wanted to continue to hide anything he wouldn’t have provided the logs from the phone that supposedly convicted him.

  59. James Stewart said David Tyree used stickum on his gloves in Super Bowl XLII. I honestly couldn’t care less at this point. However, it goes to show that you can overanalyze this stuff for a lot of teams that won championships. Remember when the Broncos got caught circumventing the salary cap after they won two super bowls?

  60. flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 12:58 pm

    So you point out a “paragraph explanation “ with a paragraph of your own

    Oh and remind me who was the ONLY person in the whole situation that got caught in a lie was?

    Oh yeah it was Roger Goodell.

    And it still amazes me that morons use the “he destroyed his phone”

    Do we still not understand how this works. If there was something on his phone to the ball guys and email or a text it would have been on there phones , that’s how that works.
    And they found nothing on there founds other than a text from Brady telling them to make sure the officials know the correct psi level rules

    _______________________________________

    So the ball boys were the only people Brady could have texted about his scheme? Very possible he texted with assistant coaches or WRs about it or even Gisele. All Wells wanted to do was search his phone for key words and not look at any photos or irrevant information. In fact, he didn’t want possession of the phone – he trusted Brady’s agent to be honest about it. However, instead Brady chose to destroy the phone he used during the AFC championship game, while handing over other phones from prior periods to Wells. Therefore, logic tells you there was something on that phone relevant to the investigation that Brady didn’t want the league to see. See how that works?

  61. Cowher himself admitted in 2014 to sign stealing

    “We had people that always tried to steal signals. Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game, and everybody attempted to do that.”

  62. lmao..this thread is funny..pats fan making the typical excuses and everbody else throwing shade.

    ill chime in. theyre cheaters and everybody but pats fans know it. lmao

  63. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 1:13 pm
    flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 12:58 pm

    So you point out a “paragraph explanation “ with a paragraph of your own

    Oh and remind me who was the ONLY person in the whole situation that got caught in a lie was?

    Oh yeah it was Roger Goodell.

    And it still amazes me that morons use the “he destroyed his phone”

    Do we still not understand how this works. If there was something on his phone to the ball guys and email or a text it would have been on there phones , that’s how that works.
    And they found nothing on there founds other than a text from Brady telling them to make sure the officials know the correct psi level rules

    _______________________________________

    So the ball boys were the only people Brady could have texted about his scheme? Very possible he texted with assistant coaches or WRs about it or even Gisele. All Wells wanted to do was search his phone for key words and not look at any photos or irrevant information. In fact, he didn’t want possession of the phone – he trusted Brady’s agent to be honest about it. However, instead Brady chose to destroy the phone he used during the AFC championship game, while handing over other phones from prior periods to Wells. Therefore, logic tells you there was something on that phone relevant to the investigation that Brady didn’t want the league to see. See how that works?

    ================

    The NFL promised privacy.. Brady then provided all cell data and went above and beyond and provided emails … and yet then his emails were promptly leaked. Brady’s privacy concerns were well founded. Which is why we knew about his pool cover preference and the dumb Peyton controversy it stirred up. AND the NFL was using Well’s colleague as THIER ATTORNEY! So much for “independent” Wells.

    So many, many conflicts of interest for the NFL on that one.

  64. So the ball boys were the only people Brady could have texted about his scheme? Very possible he texted with assistant coaches or WRs about it or even Gisele. All Wells wanted to do was search his phone for key words and not look at any photos or irrevant information. In fact, he didn’t want possession of the phone – he trusted Brady’s agent to be honest about it. However, instead Brady chose to destroy the phone he used during the AFC championship game, while handing over other phones from prior periods to Wells. Therefore, logic tells you there was something on that phone relevant to the investigation that Brady didn’t want the league to see. See how that works?

    My god. Yeah so he was texting EVERYONE about a scam do deflate footballs EXCEPT for the guys who were in charge of the footballs.
    Makes sense.

    And like the previous post siays Brady also turned over he phone records for that phone from the cell company so wells had a record of EVERYONE he called or text and could have easily seen who he was texting or calling because they had all the other phone info (coaches , players ownership

    and one last time Roger Goodell was the ONLY person who was caught in a LIE in this while situation

  65. You can argue the science explains the PSI levels at the 2014 AFC Championship game. However, it is unlikely that the Patriots ball boy got the name “the deflator” from just one game. Rather, the more logical explanation is that he was deflating footballs in multiple games. Goodell got it RIGHT. Brady was and always be a cheater. Why is it that whenever deflategate or spygate are mentioned, Pats fans have paragraph long explanations to justify the scandals?

    ===========

    yeah he was nicknamed the deflator not the underinflator

  66. Again Pats fans, Brady gave everything to Wells except for the most important piece of evidence – his cell phone from the AFC Championship. He even handed over old cell phones and his emails. Yet, you have to ask yourself why he didn’t give that one phone. The excuse that he did it because it contained of pictures of Gisele is lame. This is because he gave two OTHER cell phones over to Wells.

  67. Hey Pats fans, tell us how the ball boy called himself the “deflator” because he wanted to lose weight? Let me guess, he wanted to go to ESPN to tell them that he lost 20 pounds…

  68. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 1:39 pm
    Hey Pats fans, tell us how the ball boy called himself the “deflator” because he wanted to lose weight? Let me guess, he wanted to go to ESPN to tell them that he lost 20 pounds…

    =======

    Tell us why a single mention of a “deflator” in MAY has anything provable to do with games many months later?

    Tell us why the Colts admitting to needle tampering with a Pats football during the same AFCCG was not addressed? It was IN THE WELLS REPORT (p63)!

  69. when i saw the headlines i got really excited to hear all the lame ridiculous touchback comments.. he hasn’t disappointed..lmao

  70. Bountygate and Mike Tomlin interference are waaaaaay worse but don’t get as much attention

  71. Yet if this exact same scenario happened to a team the patriots lost to in the playoffs, their hypocritical fanbase would be blowing up this message board yelling cheaters left and right. That is 100% facts.

  72. Again Pats fans, Brady gave everything to Wells except for the most important piece of evidence – his cell phone from the AFC Championship. He even handed over old cell phones and his emails. Yet, you have to ask yourself why he didn’t give that one phone. The excuse that he did it because it contained of pictures of Gisele is lame. This is because he gave two OTHER cell phones over to Wells.

    ============

    first, they said they didn’t need brady’s phone. of course they didn’t. last time i checked a text shows up on both phones and they had all employees phones and phone records so why would they make a deal out of not having brady’s phone. it was a red herring designed to confuse the goodell koolade drinkers and losers who needed an excuse for why their teams are constantly losing to the patriots. sports fans need to repeat this mantra…”excuses are for losers.”

  73. thurmanmerman99 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 1:58 pm
    Yet if this exact same scenario happened to a team the patriots lost to in the playoffs, their hypocritical fanbase would be blowing up this message board yelling cheaters left and right. That is 100% facts.


    And if there is any article related to the Patriots or Tom Brady
    thurmanmerman99 will surly be there with yet another LAME comment
    To show his jealousy

    That is 100% facts.

  74. thongmaker says:
    June 1, 2021 at 1:58 pm
    Again Pats fans, Brady gave everything to Wells except for the most important piece of evidence – his cell phone from the AFC Championship. He even handed over old cell phones and his emails. Yet, you have to ask yourself why he didn’t give that one phone. The excuse that he did it because it contained of pictures of Gisele is lame. This is because he gave two OTHER cell phones over to Wells.

    ============

    first, they said they didn’t need brady’s phone. of course they didn’t. last time i checked a text shows up on both phones and they had all employees phones and phone records so why would they make a deal out of not having brady’s phone. it was a red herring designed to confuse the goodell koolade drinkers and losers who needed an excuse for why their teams are constantly losing to the patriots. sports fans need to repeat this mantra…”excuses are for losers.”

    ____________________________________________________

    Again, Brady’s phone could have contained other evidence, including texts to other Pats employees and players. Brady has always tried to get an edge, and deflating the balls gave him a major one as it allowed him to have a better grip on the ball. Contstantly losing to the Pats? Not the G-men or the Broncos, who owned the Pats/Brady in the playoffs.

  75. If video taped signals ACTUALLY helped NE than it further reinforces that NE – Brady and his OC’s – were the greatest of all time. If you could get a play called, then relay in the ‘stolen’ defensive signal, then walk to the line of scrimmage, decipher the disguised signal, get the protection relayed to your Oline and running back, signal or gesture to your receivers, maybe even change the play – ALL IN A MERE 40 SECONDS between plays (note the helmet radio shuts off with 15 seconds to go) – then Brady and NE were, in fact geniuses. If you believe all that, then they were the greatest of all time.

  76. The Patriots have now been caught and severely punished TWICE
    by the NFL, for illegally taping other teams sidelines, stealing signals
    and gaining an unfair advantage over the competition.

    I find it troubling that so many fans continue to defend this type of
    misconduct, given how much it potentially can negatively affect
    the outcome of games. Defending and obfuscating these nefarious actions
    only encourages others to cheat and tilt the balance of competition.

    As football fans, we should insist on fair play and allow
    the competition on the field determine the outcome.
    Otherwise, the games lose all their credibility, it corrupts the sport
    and we all lose out.

  77. Everyone outside of boston knows they cheated. And i think deep down the fans know it too but won’t admit it to themselves.

  78. Again, Brady’s phone could have contained other evidence, including texts to other Pats employees and players. Brady has always tried to get an edge, and deflating the balls gave him a major one as it allowed him to have a better grip on the ball. Contstantly losing to the Pats? Not the G-men or the Broncos, who owned the Pats/Brady in the playoffs.

    AGAIN why would he text EVERYONE about a scam EXCEPT for the guys who were in charge of the footballs
    And they had everyone’s phone they wanted from within the organization

    And pleases stop with the “we own them in the playoffs “ it’s dumb
    You have to look ALL the games not just the ones that fit your LAME argument

  79. Moudabo says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:17 pm

    As football fans, we should insist on fair play and allow
    the competition on the field determine the outcome.
    Otherwise, the games lose all their credibility, it corrupts the sport
    and we all lose out.

    ____________________________________________________

    You know what corrupts these sports leagues the most? Legalized gambling. Now we have to wonder if refs are constantly betting on their own officiated games. What would stop them from doing that? The Patriots aren’t the first or the last team to steal signals.

  80. gronkhof says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:14 pm
    If video taped signals ACTUALLY helped NE than it further reinforces that NE – Brady and his OC’s – were the greatest of all time. If you could get a play called, then relay in the ‘stolen’ defensive signal, then walk to the line of scrimmage, decipher the disguised signal, get the protection relayed to your Oline and running back, signal or gesture to your receivers, maybe even change the play – ALL IN A MERE 40 SECONDS between plays (note the helmet radio shuts off with 15 seconds to go) – then Brady and NE were, in fact geniuses. If you believe all that, then they were the greatest of all time.

    __________________________________

    Deciphering the signals was the job of Ernie Adams…

  81. Looking at all of the thumbs up for pro Patriot posts and thumbs down for anti Patriot posts shows Boston fans are out in force today. Don’t get mad and throw something at me. Be classy.

  82. Everyone outside of boston knows they cheated. And i think deep down the fans know it too but won’t admit it to themselves.——————
    I’ve yet to hear what advantage taping signals during a game gave a team. Did someone watch the film at halftime? Decipher the calls to the alignments, or more importantly, the defense execution, since they disguise the real intent pre-snap, package it up in a concise package for the OC, then brief the QB? All at halftime?
    Maybe these people should be running the government with that kind of real time, rapid response and analysis capability. It sounds like advanced military tactics.

  83. ashleyschafferbmw says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:25 pm
    Everyone outside of boston knows they cheated. And i think deep down the fans know it too but won’t admit it to themselves

    Christ!! Everyone in “Boston” (FYI the Patriots don’t play in Boston) knows they broke a rule and deserved the fine.
    But the extent you morons go to try and claim that’s why they won even they they have won more since is crazy.
    Even when other coaches come out and say it’s not a big deal.

    Then make excuses (like you say we do) as to why that coach defended it.

    And most people say they “cheated” because it’s easy and lazy.

  84. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:10 pm

    Again, Brady’s phone could have contained other evidence, including texts to other Pats employees and players. Brady has always tried to get an edge, and deflating the balls gave him a major one as it allowed him to have a better grip on the ball. Contstantly losing to the Pats? Not the G-men or the Broncos, who owned the Pats/Brady in the playoffs.

    ===========

    Riiiight which is why TB12 instructed the equipment guys to hand the officials copies of the PSI rule before games? Why? Why point out the rule your about to break only moments later? That makes no sense and is not supported by the science.

  85. Everything you need to know about Deflategate is contained in “The 56 Lies the NFL Told in Deflategate”

    @nygiantsownbrady: Nice how you construe your narrative without any real facts. Instead of just reading the headlines, try reading the story too! Your jealousy and envy are showing.

  86. pftguru says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:33 pm
    Looking at all of the thumbs up for pro Patriot posts and thumbs down for anti Patriot posts shows Boston fans are out in force today. Don’t get mad and throw something at me. Be classy

    Or could it be most of the Patriots post are logical

    And let’s bot forget this article is about a COACH of a team that lost to the Patriots saying it’s not a big deal and has always said that.

  87. Brady has always tried to get an edge,deflating balls gave him a major one ————- As I have said since then, I disagree. Thank Kurt Warner for that BS display on the talk shows. Brady may have THOUGHT deflating balls gave him an edge with grip or whatever, but stats bear out that his play was slowly declining to that point, but after DEFLATEGATE, his play IMPROVED and he went off to play in and win additional Super Bowls. So the rule of unintended consequences occurred: by forcing Brady to use more inflated footballs or league managed pressure, he actually got BETTER. His approach was wrong – thanjk the “league” for correcting it. LOL nice job, losers. (check the stats if you disagree, and note the anecdote that Rogers likes overinflated footballs and he seems to be doing just fine).

  88. Moudabo says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:17 pm
    The Patriots have now been caught and severely punished TWICE
    by the NFL, for illegally taping other teams sidelines, stealing signals
    and gaining an unfair advantage over the competition.

    I find it troubling that so many fans continue to defend this type of
    misconduct, given how much it potentially can negatively affect
    the outcome of games. Defending and obfuscating these nefarious actions
    only encourages others to cheat and tilt the balance of competition.

    As football fans, we should insist on fair play and allow
    the competition on the field determine the outcome.
    Otherwise, the games lose all their credibility, it corrupts the sport
    and we all lose out.

    0 8 Rate This

    —————————

    Please get the help you need, get off the internet and apply for college immediately.

    My goodness I weep for our future in this country.

  89. @nygiantsownbrady:
    re “Hey Pats fans, tell us how the ball boy called himself the “deflator” because he wanted to lose weight?”

    Yes, that’s almost correct. He did call himself (McNally) “the deflator” once.
    But did you pay attention to when? And the context?
    It was in the spring (the off-season, before camps), months before Brady showed any interest in the inflation pressure. And it was in a convo with Jastrzemski (the equipment manager who actually did the preliminary ball prep including inflating the balls to 12.5 psi) who was describing himself as “inflating” as a result of his working out. McNally jokingly referred to himself as a deflator because of his weight and his obvious need to work out. Not hilarious to outside viewers but then so what?

    And did you notice that no one else ever referred to him as “the deflator”?
    It was never his nickname.

    Brady only began to care about the inflation level after a regular season game (months after the “deflator” text) where the balls were inflated by the refs to about 16 psi. Remember that the regs say 12.5-13.5 psi.

    It was only then that Brady made sure that Jastrzemski passed along a Xeroxed copy of the rule book’s inflation spec to the refs via McNally prior to games.

    Remember that the Wells report stated that the physical evidence did NOT indicate any kind of rule violation. Their conclusion of cheating came from a very sloppy/biased “analysis” of the texts.

    Their conclusion was predetermined. They just had to build a house of cards around it to “prove” it.

  90. pftguru says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:33 pm
    Looking at all of the thumbs up for pro Patriot posts and thumbs down for anti Patriot posts shows Boston fans are out in force today. Don’t get mad and throw something at me. Be classy.

    __________________

    I’ve upset an entire fanbase single handidly. When they remind everyone that Brady is the “GOAT” or that they are the “greatest dynasty,” some of us have to bring them to reality.

  91. flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:28 pm

    AGAIN why would he text EVERYONE about a scam EXCEPT for the guys who were in charge of the footballs
    And they had everyone’s phone they wanted from within the organization

    And pleases stop with the “we own them in the playoffs “ it’s dumb
    You have to look ALL the games not just the ones that fit your LAME argument

    ____________________________________

    Then there was nothing to hide. He should have just handed his AFC Championship phone over, like he did the other ones. Even the 2nd Circuit court of appeals judges thought that evidence of ball tampering was overwhelming.

    And sorry, the Giants own the Pats when it counts the most. I thought the Pats fans only cared about the postseason? I guess not…

  92. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:55 pm

    I’ve upset an entire fanbase single handidly. When they remind everyone that Brady is the “GOAT” or that they are the “greatest dynasty,” some of us have to bring them to reality.

    =====================

    Odd that your “reality” involves ignoring the rules of the natural world or simply answering questions on the matter.

  93. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:55 pm
    pftguru says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:33 pm
    Looking at all of the thumbs up for pro Patriot posts and thumbs down for anti Patriot posts shows Boston fans are out in force today. Don’t get mad and throw something at me. Be classy.

    __________________

    I’ve upset an entire fanbase single handidly. When they remind everyone that Brady is the “GOAT” or that they are the “greatest dynasty,” some of us have to bring them to reality.

    ——

    I’m not sure you have upset anyone….but you have show you don’t understand 4th grade science

  94. So Cower says one thing but the article decides to say he is wrong and Cower is not being truthful? Oh I don’t know why I keep reading this site and keep encouraging these type of stories but I do.

  95. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:59 pm
    ____________________________________
    Then there was nothing to hide. He should have just handed his AFC Championship phone over, like he did the other ones. Even the 2nd Circuit court of appeals judges thought that evidence of ball tampering was overwhelming.

    And sorry, the Giants own the Pats when it counts the most. I thought the Pats fans only cared about the postseason? I guess not…

    ===================

    Inaccurate. The judges did not rule on that. It was merely a CBA language dispute. Guess you didn’t follow the case very closely. Odd to comment so much on it then though.

  96. I’ve upset an entire fanbase single handidly. When they remind everyone that Brady is the “GOAT” or that they are the “greatest dynasty,” some of us have to bring them to reality.

    —-

    Pssssssd , I’ll let you in on a little secret. It’s not just “Pats fans” who call Brady the GOAT it’s pretty much EVERYONE players from other team coaches from other teams. Players from other sports

    He is universally recognized as the GOAT and the Patriots are intact
    The greatest football dynasty in the SB era and all the crying you do on the internet will never change that.

  97. So were back to the Pat’s won all the games and titles because of cheating nonsense ? all I heard all last year was all the successes came from bradys greatness? The media and people who dislike the Pat’s just cant .ake up their mind.

  98. choa says:
    June 1, 2021 at 10:42 am
    Bill has been a Company Man for a long time now. As a talking head he doesn’t want to rock the boat by saying anything that would be against the company line
    ————————————————————————————–
    Oh sure, right, great point. I’m sure the league is thrilled that one of their talking heads, a man well respected throughout the league comes out and says it isn’t cheating if you don’t get caught. Yup, you nailed it!

  99. flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:08 pm
    I’ve upset an entire fanbase single handidly. When they remind everyone that Brady is the “GOAT” or that they are the “greatest dynasty,” some of us have to bring them to reality.

    —-

    Pssssssd , I’ll let you in on a little secret. It’s not just “Pats fans” who call Brady the GOAT it’s pretty much EVERYONE players from other team coaches from other teams. Players from other sports

    He is universally recognized as the GOAT and the Patriots are intact
    The greatest football dynasty in the SB era and all the crying you do on the internet will never change that.

    ________________________________

    “Universally” means everyone, and most certainly everyone does not think he’s the GOAT. And the fact that you respond to everything I write about Brady tells me you are sensitive about spygate and deflategate. WHy is it that no other great all-time QB has two cheating scandals attached to his name?

  100. flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:08 pm

    He is universally recognized as the GOAT and the Patriots are intact
    The greatest football dynasty in the SB era and all the crying you do on the internet will never change that.

    ________________________

    He’s one Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides away from being a mere 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Let that sink in. Therefore, he cannot be the GOAT.

  101. Chill_Mickelson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    ===================

    Inaccurate. The judges did not rule on that. It was merely a CBA language dispute. Guess you didn’t follow the case very closely. Odd to comment so much on it then though.

    ________________________

    Did I say the 2nd Circuit “ruled” on that? I said the Judges SAID it. Read the oral argument transcripts.

  102. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:28 pm
    flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:08 pm
    I’ve upset an entire fanbase single handidly. When they remind everyone that Brady is the “GOAT” or that they are the “greatest dynasty,” some of us have to bring them to reality.

    —-

    Pssssssd , I’ll let you in on a little secret. It’s not just “Pats fans” who call Brady the GOAT it’s pretty much EVERYONE players from other team coaches from other teams. Players from other sports

    He is universally recognized as the GOAT and the Patriots are intact
    The greatest football dynasty in the SB era and all the crying you do on the internet will never change that.

    ________________________________

    “Universally” means everyone, and most certainly everyone does not think he’s the GOAT. And the fact that you respond to everything I write about Brady tells me you are sensitive about spygate and deflategate. WHy is it that no other great all-time QB has two cheating scandals attached to his name?
    —————————————————————————————
    24 hour sports networks, the internet? If you believe Brady and the Patriots somehow invented trying to gain an edge in sports then you’re not as smart as you apparently believe you are.

  103. He’s one Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides away from being a mere 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Let that sink in. Therefore, he cannot be the GOAT.

    That’s the dumbest argument yet.

  104. What I have learned after reading these comments is that many if not most Patriot fans think the Astros were very shrewd and justified when they used video to steal signals and help the hitters know what pitch is coming.

  105. Does no one else believe that a billion dollar league full of really smart people had never considered how the Ideal Gas Law might affect the air pressure of their equipment and were embarrassed? I mean by the rulebook it was a $25K fine. Instead they spend millions and go after Brady because they weren’t smart enough to consider something you learn in Science class at school.

    The fact that they never released any of the data that following year tells you all you need to know. They leak every bit of information they want known publicly. No results from any of that data was leaked…wonder why?

  106. He’s one Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides away from being a mere 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Let that sink in. Therefore, he cannot be the GOAT.
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    The Dee Ford offsides happened in the AFC championship game, not the SB. Therefore, your entire argument is moot as is most of what you have commented on in this thread.

  107. “Universally” means everyone, and most certainly everyone does not think he’s the GOAT. And the fact that you respond to everything I write about Brady tells me you are sensitive about spygate and deflategate. WHy is it that no other great all-time QB has two cheating scandals attached to his name?

    Stop , you’re just being ignorant at this point
    If you DONT think that he is universally recognized as the GOAT then you’re a moron.

    Just get off PFT and do a search for greats QBs of all time and see who is at the top of 99% of the list that come up. Tell me why current and former PLAYERS and COACHES call him that.

    And I would Elsie down on the “sensitive “ stuff.
    Your user name alone screams jealousy
    And the fact that you are not a Patriots or Brady fan but comment on EVERY article related to them in a negative way also screams jealousy

  108. He is universally recognized as the GOAT and the Patriots are intact
    The greatest football dynasty in the SB era and all the crying you do on the internet will never change that.

    And all the boasting about the goat will never eliminate the tarnished image of the Pats as penalized CHEATERS…..got news for ya outside your little world of Chowda, Cheating and racism nobody repeat the Pats or Brady.

  109. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 1:38 pm
    Again Pats fans, Brady gave everything to Wells except for the most important piece of evidence – his cell phone from the AFC Championship. He even handed over old cell phones and his emails. Yet, you have to ask yourself why he didn’t give that one phone. The excuse that he did it because it contained of pictures of Gisele is lame. This is because he gave two OTHER cell phones over to Wells.

    ===============

    You understand he didn’t need to provide any phone, right? Which he didn’t. He didn’t provide any phone at all until the appeal. Additionally, he provided the phones to a forensic examiner that he hired not Wells. Let’s be clear that Brady was convicted before ANY phone was provided.

    He never claimed he didn’t provide the phone due to privacy. He claimed he no longer had the phone. Which is why he provided the phone logs to help close the 5 month gap of information. If he had everything to hide from that phone why provide the logs at all?

  110. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:31 pm

    Deciphering the signals was the job of Ernie Adams…

    ======================

    And?

    How is that illegal?

  111. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:59 pm

    Then there was nothing to hide. He should have just handed his AFC Championship phone over, like he did the other ones. Even the 2nd Circuit court of appeals judges thought that evidence of ball tampering was overwhelming.

    And sorry, the Giants own the Pats when it counts the most. I thought the Pats fans only cared about the postseason? I guess not…

    =====================
    You know, after the district court countered that argument and also 1/3 of the appellate court. But yeah carry on. LOL

  112. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:29 pm

    He’s one Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides away from being a mere 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Let that sink in. Therefore, he cannot be the GOAT.
    ================
    Scott Norwood says “Hi”.

  113. govchris says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:53 pm
    What I have learned after reading these comments is that many if not most Patriot fans think the Astros were very shrewd and justified when they used video to steal signals and help the hitters know what pitch is coming.

    ========================

    Did the Astos tape in the wrong location?

  114. And all the boasting about the goat will never eliminate the tarnished image of the Pats as penalized CHEATERS…..got news for ya outside your little world of Chowda, Cheating and racism nobody repeat the Pats or Brady.

    Well then that will just be your little secret….
    Don’t worry little guy Brady will retire soon and when he does he will turn ownership of the Steelers back over to the Rooney’s.

  115. nobody repeat the Pats or Brady.

    Really then can you explain why players line up to shake Brady’s hand after a game.

    Oh you can’t, ok cool.

  116. blessedunliketherest says:
    June 1, 2021 at 4:03 pm

    The Dee Ford offsides happened in the AFC championship game, not the SB. Therefore, your entire argument is moot as is most of what you have commented on in this thread.

    ______________________________

    You Pats fans continue to crack me up. If Dee Ford weren’t offsides, the Pats don’t go to Super Bowl 53. Therefore, without the Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides, Brady would be a 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Prove me wrong.

  117. I’m not a Pats fan, and I don’t condone cheating. But what billion-plus dollar business doesn’t cheat? You can read every year how huge corporations don’t pay taxes, despite their billions of dollars in earnings, or big banks getting caught cheating people with hidden fees. I don’t like it, but I just assume every NFL team is working to get an advantage in whatever way they can.

    I don’t believe either Patriots “scandal” was justified, I believe they were overblown and the NFL front office just looked foolish and petty in both cases.

    Regarding Brady’s cell phone. Seriously, no celebrity of Brady’s level would ever hand over their personal cell phone to a kangaroo court like the Deflategate investigation. The NFL front office leaks like a sieve – every detail of his personal life found on that phone would’ve been out in public.

    Acting like him protecting his privacy MUST have nefarious reasons is absurd. Maybe there was evidence on there that the NFL didn’t get to, but he cooperated as much as he could without giving over his personal life to a sham investigation that he knew was a sham. It’s like when the cops are interrogating somebody – they’re just your friends, right? You can trust them!

  118. govchris says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:53 pm

    What I have learned after reading these comments is that many if not most Patriot fans think the Astros were very shrewd and justified when they used video to steal signals and help the hitters know what pitch is coming.
    _______________________________________________

    Cuz having a live feed to the dugout during an actual game is the same as filming a practice (which was legal, just an unauthorized location. Could’ve got the same footage anywhere in the stadium with a good lens)

  119. govchris says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:53 pm
    What I have learned after reading these comments is that many if not most Patriot fans think the Astros were very shrewd and justified when they used video to steal signals and help the hitters know what pitch is coming.

    ==========

    the astros were banging trash cans and wearing buzzers and bells and whistles signaling fastballs and curve balls during at bats in real time. what they did is a million times beyond what the patriots did and if you don’t understand that stop watching sports cuz you know nothing about them. the funny part is nobody even talks about the astros cheating or the st louis cardinals computer espionage cheating at all.

  120. “It’s only cheating if you get caught,” Cowher told Bouchette

    My LEO ex-wife subscribed to a similar philosophy with a few of her colleagues

  121. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:31 pm
    Chill_Mickelson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    ===================

    Inaccurate. The judges did not rule on that. It was merely a CBA language dispute. Guess you didn’t follow the case very closely. Odd to comment so much on it then though.

    ________________________

    Did I say the 2nd Circuit “ruled” on that? I said the Judges SAID it. Read the oral argument transcripts.

    =================================

    Not in consensus, like you were saying they were.

    And what difference does it make, they weren’t presented with the entirety of the evidence as they weren’t ruling on that issue. They were even perjured to by the NFL and they let that slide too because it was all about the CBA. Nothing more, nothing less.

  122. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:29 pm

    He’s one Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides away from being a mere 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Let that sink in. Therefore, he cannot be the GOAT.

    ================

    Guess how many times Brady led his offenses to a 4th qtr/OT Super Bowl lead?

    I’ll give you a sec…

    ALL TEN TIMES. he could be 10-0 too.

  123. _____________________________

    You Pats fans continue to crack me up. If Dee Ford weren’t offsides, the Pats don’t go to Super Bowl 53. Therefore, without the Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides, Brady would be a 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Prove me wrong.

    And if the chiefs stopped them on multiple 3rd downs they could have won too and if the chiefs scored more points in the first half they may have won too.

    And nobody has to “prove you wrong”
    Your entire lame argument is based on “IF” this or “”if” that.
    The fact is it did happen and he’s not “5-4”
    Prove me wrong

  124. Again Pats fans, Brady gave everything to Wells except for the most important piece of evidence – his cell phone from the AFC Championship

    ———————————

    Again, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of reasons not giving away his phone, like nude pictures of his wife.

    To claim that he destroyed his phone because of cheating is like claiming “my father is a a man, hence every man is my father.”

  125. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 4:37 pm

    You Pats fans continue to crack me up. If Dee Ford weren’t offsides, the Pats don’t go to Super Bowl 53. Therefore, without the Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides, Brady would be a 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Prove me wrong.

    ================

    I guess the only response I can come up with is who cares?

    Without the immaculate reception don’t advance in the playoffs.

    Without Norwood missing a FG the Giants win exactly 3 SBs.

    Without Tyree hanging onto a hail mary up for grabs throw by EManning they win exactly 2 SBs.

    So what?

  126. Vasteelerfan says:
    June 1, 2021 at 4:16 pm
    He is universally recognized as the GOAT and the Patriots are intact
    The greatest football dynasty in the SB era and all the crying you do on the internet will never change that.

    And all the boasting about the goat will never eliminate the tarnished image of the Pats as penalized CHEATERS…..got news for ya outside your little world of Chowda, Cheating and racism nobody repeat the Pats or Brady.

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    You live in VA with Klan rallies and call people
    from New England racist? How doee that work exactly?

    No, no one with half a brain thinks NE cheated. Only moron losers who don’t like facts think that.

    And, don’t watch “4 Games in Fall” on Amazon because it will make you
    mouthbreathers look even worse.

    Trippin’ Tomlin still leads the pack in terms of any cheating. To this day, no one can believe what he did.

  127. Chill_Mickelson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 4:48 pm
    nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:29 pm

    He’s one Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides away from being a mere 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Let that sink in. Therefore, he cannot be the GOAT.

    ================

    Guess how many times Brady led his offenses to a 4th qtr/OT Super Bowl lead?

    I’ll give you a sec…

    ALL TEN TIMES. he could be 10-0 too.

    _____________________________________

    He saves his worst SB performances for the G-MEN lol…is Brady still laughing at Plaxico?

  128. Chill_Mickelson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 4:48 pm
    nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 3:29 pm

    He’s one Malcolm Butler INT and Dee Ford offsides away from being a mere 5-4 super bowl quarterback. Let that sink in. Therefore, he cannot be the GOAT.

    ================

    Guess how many times Brady led his offenses to a 4th qtr/OT Super Bowl lead?

    I’ll give you a sec…

    ALL TEN TIMES. he could be 10-0 too.

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    Stop. He was terrible in the 2 SBs vs the Giants. His preferred shotgun spread base offense failed.

    NEs Ds won the first 2 SBs, the one vs Seattle and the last one vs the Rams. Brady and the offense won 2 of em vs Carolina and Atlanta.

  129. Spygate and Deflategate were both nothing. They were latched onto and overblown by fans and owners of all those losing teams that needed an excuse. Like Raider fans with the tuck rule. Pats excellence will be remembered long after the ‘scandals’ are forgotten. They’ll just have to live with it. As a Pats fan, I don’t lose a minutes sleep over it.

  130. He saves his worst SB performances for the G-MEN lol…is Brady still laughing at Plaxico?

    Well considering Brady has gone on to win four more SB and plexicos last big accomplishment was shooting himself in the foot or leg I would say yes. And so am I.

  131. Lol… SPYGATE & the tin foil hats flock to yet another Patriots thread….
    So funny to read the comments…..

  132. touchback6 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    Stop. He was terrible in the 2 SBs vs the Giants. His preferred shotgun spread base offense failed.

    NEs Ds won the first 2 SBs, the one vs Seattle and the last one vs the Rams. Brady and the offense won 2 of em vs Carolina and Atlanta.

    =================

    Uh, nothing I said was inaccurate. And it took some strange plays to tilt those games toward the Giants. Can’t win them all.

  133. flash1224 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:08 pm
    He saves his worst SB performances for the G-MEN lol…is Brady still laughing at Plaxico?

    Well considering Brady has gone on to win four more SB and plexicos last big accomplishment was shooting himself in the foot or leg I would say yes. And so am I.
    _________________________________

    I’m sure he cheated in those other Super Bowls since SB 46. Already, SB49 is tainted because he was deflating footballs that year, not just in the AFC Championship.

    And I’m sorry the Giants cost Brady the most important game of his life.

  134. touchback6 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    Stop. He was terrible in the 2 SBs vs the Giants. His preferred shotgun spread base offense failed.

    NEs Ds won the first 2 SBs, the one vs Seattle and the last one vs the Rams. Brady and the offense won 2 of em vs Carolina and Atlanta.

    ===============

    Uh Pats D blew the Eagles one. And the Seattle one was very close to being blown by the defense. Brady was electric in that 4th qtr and it took a miracle leg catch to get Seattle down in that position before the int. Only casuals assign that as a “Pats D carried” Super Bowl win.

  135. Brady was terrible vs the Giants because his spread offense failed? This coming from a guy that wants Scar in the HOF. Why couldn’t the Pats adjust their protections to stop the Giants pass rush in 2007? Brady had zero chance in that game. Forget the deep patterns, he had no time to get a slant pass off. Giants still needed a lot of luck, as well as execution, to win that game. 5 Pats couldn’t block 4 Giants

  136. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:19 pm

    I’m sure he cheated in those other Super Bowls since SB 46. Already, SB49 is tainted because he was deflating footballs that year, not just in the AFC Championship.

    And I’m sorry the Giants cost Brady the most important game of his life.

    =========================

    Since you’re sure I guess that settles it. LOL

    Cheating since SB46 based on 5 months of missing texts that somehow implicates years worth o of cheating.

    ^
    |

    Ladies and gentlemen … “reality”

  137. Chill_Mickelson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:15 pm
    touchback6 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    Stop. He was terrible in the 2 SBs vs the Giants. His preferred shotgun spread base offense failed.

    NEs Ds won the first 2 SBs, the one vs Seattle and the last one vs the Rams. Brady and the offense won 2 of em vs Carolina and Atlanta.

    =================

    Uh, nothing I said was inaccurate. And it took some strange plays to tilt those games toward the Giants. Can’t win them all.

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    From 2007-2013 Brady used a shotgun spread base of an offense by his own choosing and it failed. Hence, why JimmyG was drafted.

    Brady literally said “I prefer the shotgun”. Problem is, with leads, incompletions stop the clock and you have no legit playaction from a shotgun 45+ times a game, predictably throwing.

    In fact, I wouldn’tbe shocked at all that this was where Brady’s ego started to get hurt. BB finally pulled the plug on what Brady preferred.

    Brady had his way and choked twice to an inferior team
    in an offensive league with all rules favoring offenses.

  138. tedmurph says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:25 pm
    Brady was terrible vs the Giants because his spread offense failed? This coming from a guy that wants Scar in the HOF. Why couldn’t the Pats adjust their protections to stop the Giants pass rush in 2007? Brady had zero chance in that game. Forget the deep patterns, he had no time to get a slant pass off. Giants still needed a lot of luck, as well as execution, to win that game. 5 Pats couldn’t block 4 Giants

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    Ask Brady. He has full autonomy and chooses from multiple plays into his headset.

    In 2009, Vic Carucci wrote an article about how only Peyton Manning and Brady had that power in the entire league.

    Brady thought he was so great, he didn’ need a run game and his little buddy Welker WAS the run game.

    Brady’s personnel snobbery cost them 2 SBs.

    Jim Johnson had the blueprint late in the 2007. Go look at the box scores in that era. 50+ passes with leads.

    You don’t fight a good D with finesse. Brady thought so, “preferred” it, and he failed with it.

    It’s why Bb brought back the FB and signed someone like Blount. Brady needs a run game. All QBs do.

  139. Chill_Mickelson says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:22 pm
    touchback6 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    Stop. He was terrible in the 2 SBs vs the Giants. His preferred shotgun spread base offense failed.

    NEs Ds won the first 2 SBs, the one vs Seattle and the last one vs the Rams. Brady and the offense won 2 of em vs Carolina and Atlanta.

    ===============

    Uh Pats D blew the Eagles one. And the Seattle one was very close to being blown by the defense. Brady was electric in that 4th qtr and it took a miracle leg catch to get Seattle down in that position before the int. Only casuals assign that as a “Pats D carried” Super Bowl win.

    1 1 Rate This

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    The Pats D underperformed, sure. See how easy it is to actually admit something?

    You creepy Brady Fanboys think Brady player an A game every time.

    He’s horrendous in 1st qtrs of Super Bowls and tbrows a lot of ints in conf title games, for example.

    He’s not some perfect human like many of you obnoxiously act like he is. I wonder hpw far back BB was dealing with Mr. Giselle. I don’t think it just happened a few years back.

    Brady changed when Giselle entered the picture. He went all LA. Remmeebr the creepy mansion they were building in LA with the moat? Mortifying.

  140. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 2:59 pm
    ____________________________________
    Even the 2nd Circuit court of appeals judges thought that evidence of ball tampering was overwhelming.
    _____________________________________

    No. In oral argument, one of the three judges thought evidence of ball tampering was compelling, if not overwhelming. The other two judges did not comment on that issue, and the trial judge didn’t think the NFL had a case. So, batting .250 there.

    Interesting that even the Wells Report didn’t claim that there was strong evidence of actual tampering. Their conclusions were based on the infamous more-probable-than-not standard.

    Look, I get it. You want to believe in the great conspiracy. Patriots fans don’t. But there are also quite a few cases of journalists and documentarians deciding to go back and look at Deflategate and you’d be hard pressed to find any of them who now think there was any manual deflation. Four Games in Fall is a very interesting recent documentary. Law Professor Robert Blecker is particular funny, because he admits he was delighted with Deflategate and wanted the Patriots to be guilty and punished severely. After full examination, though, he knew it was all a setup.

  141. Pats tried to run the ball against the Giants in the 2007 SBowl. Unfortunately, they couldn’t. Maroney ave 2.5 ypc. Welker had 11 catches for over 100 yrds. Once again you have no clue.

    Who cares who Brady is married to or what houses he builds as investments? He never lived in the LA house. He lived next to Bob Kraft. Players have a right to live their lives. If OTAs(voluntary} are taking time away from his family and jeopardizing his marriage, he has every right to skip them. Wrong again.

  142. touchback6 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:40 pm

    He’s not some perfect human like many of you obnoxiously act like he is. I wonder hpw far back BB was dealing with Mr. Giselle. I don’t think it just happened a few years back.

    Brady changed when Giselle entered the picture. He went all LA. Remmeebr the creepy mansion they were building in LA with the moat? Mortifying.

    **************

    This calling him Mr. Giselle (sic) is the kind of insult only used by misogynists. Gisele (not Giselle) Bündchen has been wildly successful in business for years, starting before Brady’s career. If Brady discusses business with her–and why the heck wouldn’t he–it doesn’t emasculate him, as you seem to think.

    Nobody thinks Brady is a perfect human. On the other hand, nobody but you thinks he is the monster you’ve been foaming at the mouth about. You’re really embarrassing yourself with this obsessive trashing of Brady. It smells strongly of sour grapes.

    And yes, I do remember the LA house. I didn’t see anything creepy about it. And this so-called moat is not some battle defense feature surrounding a castle. It’s a large koi pond that silly media outlets decided to call a moat. And you fell for it.

  143. remizak says:
    June 1, 2021 at 5:48 pm

    No. In oral argument, one of the three judges thought evidence of ball tampering was compelling, if not overwhelming. The other two judges did not comment on that issue, and the trial judge didn’t think the NFL had a case. So, batting .250 there.

    Interesting that even the Wells Report didn’t claim that there was strong evidence of actual tampering. Their conclusions were based on the infamous more-probable-than-not standard.

    Look, I get it. You want to believe in the great conspiracy. Patriots fans don’t. But there are also quite a few cases of journalists and documentarians deciding to go back and look at Deflategate and you’d be hard pressed to find any of them who now think there was any manual deflation. Four Games in Fall is a very interesting recent documentary. Law Professor Robert Blecker is particular funny, because he admits he was delighted with Deflategate and wanted the Patriots to be guilty and punished severely. After full examination, though, he knew it was all a setup.

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    You continue to focus on the one AFC Championship game…a straw man for the real issue. You Pats still can’t explain why the ball boy called himself “the deflator.” The argument that his job was to inflate and deflate footballs is weak. Do you see 31 other ball boys around the league calling themselves “the deflator” and threatening to go to ESPN?

  144. This is the delusional world that Pat’s fans live in. If the Pats get caught cheating, it doesn’t matter. They are best team in the history of the NFL and these historical cheating scandels should never be brought ever ever again. Oh, and the tuck rule, that too was normal, and anyone who thinks different can’t handle the truth that the Pats are the best team in the history of the NFL.

  145. Brady came out after halftime in the defoategate game, with properly inflated FBS, and destroyed the Colts. Then he won another SBowl. If anything happened, which I doubt, it was an equipment violation at worst. It was more about Goodell keeping his power to punish anyone any way he sees fit

    The tuck rule was the correct call on a bad rule, that was later changed. Anybody that doesn’t like it, too bad

  146. nygiantsownbrady says:
    June 1, 2021 at 6:13 pm

    You continue to focus on the one AFC Championship game…a straw man for the real issue. You Pats still can’t explain why the ball boy called himself “the deflator.” The argument that his job was to inflate and deflate footballs is weak. Do you see 31 other ball boys around the league calling themselves “the deflator” and threatening to go to ESPN?

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    That was already addressed in this thread by another poster. Maybe there were too many paragraphs for you.

    It’s clear at this point that you are very into whataboutism and not so interested in the fact that those who have actually delved into the record in full have concluded that there was no physical manipulation.

    Please feel free to have the last word now. You’ve earned it, working so hard here all day.

  147. steelcurtainn says:
    June 1, 2021 at 4:02 pm
    The fans don’t. Cheating is Cheating and New England got caught.
    ——————————————————————————Well if getting caught is your basis then how about we talk about Tomlin tripping a guy running down the sidelines on national TV? Big Ben getting caught with an electronic device on the sidelines where such devices are not allowed? Oh, maybe Big Ben getting caught twice with under inflated footballs…TWICE! Best of all how about your boy Cowher all but admitting he bent the rules for an advantage? Admitted cheater, no? How about those 2 SB’s? Tainted? Using your logic? Absolutely!

  148. To the gentleman from NY – put this to bed now with your answer. What was the starting psi #s before the game for both the Pats and Colts footballs? What was the documented # for each? That is right, they were never documented. Since that is the case how can anyone know if any ball was deflated?

  149. dw11 says:
    June 1, 2021 at 6:48 pm
    To the gentleman from NY – put this to bed now with your answer. What was the starting psi #s before the game for both the Pats and Colts footballs? What was the documented # for each? That is right, they were never documented. Since that is the case how can anyone know if any ball was deflated?

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    For the umpteenth time, you are focusing on ONE game. Even if the science supports your notion that the balls were not manually deflated in that AFC Championship game, it does not explain why 1) The colts and other teams suspected the Pats of deflating their footballs in other games, why 2) the ball boy was called “the deflator.” The logical conclusion is that the ball boy deflated the footballs in OTHER games at the least. Otherwise, why call him “the deflator?”

    YOu Pats fans want everyone in the world to bow down to your dynasty, but it’s a house of cards based off multiple cheating scandals.

  150. the best part of the tuck rule game is it hosed the raiders because it definitely was a fumble. raiders had been getting away with worse for years.

  151. nygiantsownbrady – that was very weak. You do know Spygate was all about one game, right? The Deflator text between the ball boys (not Brady and them) was May 9, 2014. How is this a smoking gun? You spending so much time hating on the Pats brings a big smile to my face. This is what the great Giants franchise and their fans have become.

  152. The logical conclusion is that the ball boy deflated the footballs in OTHER games at the least.

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    Do you think that Brady was so stupid that he avoided texting the ball boy BEFORE “being exposed” on something nobody cared, but not afraid of texting the ball boy AFTER “being exposed”?

    So the logical conclusion is that Brady didn’t ask the ball boy. You don’t know what logic is, OK?

  153. nygiantsownbrady,

    The ball boy’s daily job was deflating and inflating football. So again, why are surprised that the ball boy called himself “deflator”?

  154. SteveYoungThrowAndRun says: June 1, 2021 at 11:19 am Is there some reason why ESPN cannot let this go? Good lord, how many years ago did this happen? And Deflategate too? How many more titles did the Patriots and Brady win since both of them? Is the Bucs’ Super Bowl win tainted as well? I’m a Niners fan and I always thought we had the gold standard in terms of a dynasty franchise. But let’s be honest, no one is touching that Patriots run. Ever. You won’t get the combination of the greatest QB and coach together and on the same page for 20 years. It just won’t ever happen again. ================= yes….espn is the empire state propaganda network so you’re only gonna get the ny perspective and the world knows the rivalry between ny and boston.

  155. And how many times has the same team and coach been caught? One time impulsive cheating is distinctively different than a pattern and history of cheating. They’ve been caught so many times so imagine how much cheating they’re doing that isn’t or was never caught? I disagree with Cowher’s take. What he says applies to individuals, not to entire franchises and coaches.

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