Cassius Marsh: Patriots treat players like crap

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Steelers linebacker Cassius Marsh has spent time with seven different NFL teams, but his time with the Patriots stood out. And not in a good way.

Marsh, who was traded to the Patriots in September of 2017 and cut by the Patriots in November of that year, said on Tom Segura’s podcast that the Patriots’ winning comes at the expense of players being able to enjoy the game of football.

“The Patriot Way is extremely impressive,” Marsh said. “They work day-in and day-out. Their work ethic over there, what they instill, is pretty legendary. But they also treat players like crap. You don’t have a lunch period. You get there and you have to make time to eat in between meetings. And they’re like five to 10 minute periods where I would literally go scoop food and put it in a cup and crush it real quick before I got to the next meeting. There’s no fun. There’s no — well, that is what I got in trouble for, for saying they don’t have fun.”

This isn’t the first time Marsh criticized the Patriots. He referred to himself as one of the Top 5 most-hated former Patriots in New England because of his previous comments, but he also said several Patriots players have thanked him for speaking out.

“A lot of the players like thanked me for making it public on how bad they treat guys. I mean, they win games so you just really can’t argue with championships,” Marsh said.

Marsh added that he respects Patriots coach Bill Belichick. He just doesn’t like him.

131 responses to “Cassius Marsh: Patriots treat players like crap

  1. I don’t even remember this guy. When did he play here again? 2017? Sorry, his name doesn’t ring a bell.

  2. So he came here in September and was cut in November? I don’t know why he’s complaining about not having enough time to grab a meal – he was barely here long enough for a cup of coffee.

  3. There is no Patriot way. It’s the Brady way. Super bowls won since the break-up. Brady 1 Belechick 0

  4. Not a shock – they tend to churn through guys, and even when they were winning it seemed joyless. Looking at how Brady acts now vs when he was in NE says something about how they clamp down on their players.

    That said, its easy to get players to put up with it when they can be a part of a dynasty. The question going forward is if they keep having down years, can they get free agents to buy in anymore?

  5. Cassius Marsh doesn’t think highly of the patriots and I’m sure the patriots didn’t think highly of his play in his one season on the team.

  6. Never a real Patriot. Doesn’t have the toughness for it. Using “like” when it isn’t needed and whining about lunch. SMH.

  7. Work hard and get rewarded with championships, or have fun and hope to make the playoffs

  8. I’m a diehard Pats fan since the early 80’s, and all i could think when I read the article’s title was “who the heck is Cassius Marsh???” If he was good enough to have lasted longer than two months, he might have had more fun by winning a ring. 🙂

  9. Why is this news? Some scrub who has played for 7 teams didn’t like playing for the Patriots. Feeling is mutual.. Patriots didn’t like him playing for them either. This guy was constantly out of position and was cut because he couldn’t ‘do your job’. Now he’s sore. Whatever. It’s a job, fun isn’t the priority at most jobs.

  10. The last time anybody heard about this guy was 2017, after he badmouthed the patriots after a long and distinguished one month career. Seven teams, and counting – and he isn’t even 30 yet. So, why would anyone invite him onto a podcast if it wasn’t to bring up his comments from 4 years ago? Because now I have heard of the Tom Segura podcast. Lane Johnson must have declined the offer.

  11. Reggie Wayne basically said the same thing…. As I remember it was “too hard” for him. Which leads to the question, what the heck were they doing in Indiana?

  12. They should be called the Tom Brady Patriots. BB is gonna flail without TB. He did last year. I’m sure Vegas has odds on this. I work in a repair sweatshop, yeah, they pay us. But if they didn’t make it fun to be there, nobody would be there to endure all the bad environment. You can work for pay and still have fun. Ask Tom!

  13. Things are going to get ugly in New England… they aren’t going to fail… but I expect a bunch of near .500 seasons coming up.

    And that’s going to wear thin very quickly.

  14. Surprised he can even talk with all those sour grapes in his mouth.

  15. This little softie better toughen up because if he thinks the Patriots were too tough for his widdle self wait until he’s actually working a job in the real world . Every successful business unfortunately has whiners and crybabies who think blaming others will deflect from the fact they just plain suck at their job . They fool nobody but themselves .

  16. Not being able to take a lunch hour at a million dollar job that often doesn’t last continuously like a 9 to 5 most people have is the worst thing ever, lol.

  17. Deion Sanders said the same thing about the Niners during his 1994 season with the team and specifically called out Jerry Rice for being a No-Fun-At-All guy. You want grab ass or world titles?

  18. First a dagger in the chest of Caesar and now one to the back of Belichick? No respect for greatness!

    Mama, don’t name your child Cassius.

  19. Sounds like a Winner’s Circle mentality. You’ve got to earn the fun from victories in Super Bowls.

  20. You’re complaining about things that guys who have championship hunger and competitiveness aren’t. If you were that caliber player, you would have lasted more than 2 months on their team. There’s a reason the Patriots are who they are and a reason you’re on you’re 8th team. You can’t make the sacrifices that others are willing to in order to win, which you have summarized as not getting an hour lunch so you can screw around instead of eating lunch while watching film.

  21. One of the best analogies I ever heard was when someone said “it’s not fun climbing Mount Everest but it’s damn rewarding when you get to the top”. Same thing goes for the Patriots and for anyone that has any played any meaningful team sports, you know there is nothing like working hard with your fellow teammates and winning it all!!!

  22. You may have noticed this guy failing to set the edge against a 195 pound DB.

  23. What the Patriots have done is in another universe of excellence from any other NFL team. The documentary series out about the Chicago Bulls is a very similar tale except the Bill Belichick of that parallel story is Michael Jordan.

  24. Can’t fit an entire lunch into 5-10 minutes? Best not get into the education field, Cassius.

  25. When you’re on the roster of a professional football team, you’re not paid to have ‘fun.’ You’re there to help them win games. That’s it.
    Anything else is an excuse made by those who lack a work ethic and the understanding of the responsibilities that come with adulthood.
    Have fun on your own time, not the team’s.

  26. The guy has one of the highest motors in the game. He always gave everything he had when he played for the Hawks. He’s very much a blue-collar kind of guy. Plays better than his God-given talent because he plays so hard.

    When you’ve played with as many teams as he has you have to respect that he’s seen it done many different ways.

    I’d bet a paycheck that 99%+ of NFL players, grew up playing the game because it is fun to play. Winning makes it a lot more fun. Losing makes it a lot less fun.

    But I think guys who continue to have fun playing the game, that thrive on competition, and work hard every day because they LIKE being there, are far more likely to give you everything they’ve got then guys who have been grinded on for 5+ months every year.

  27. Says the guy who was CUT after moaning about his lack of playing time after we DESTROYED the Raiders in Mexico City…he’s played for 7/8 NFL teams which signifies he isn’t much of anything more than a situational role player.

    Don’t forget, he was also a rookie when Seattle called the dumbest play in super bowl history…..lots of sour grapes

  28. donnymacjack says:
    July 13, 2021 at 4:53 pm
    The guy has one of the highest motors in the game.

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    If true then he must have had one of the lowest IQ’s in the game. Otherwise BB wouldn’t have cut him

  29. If thIs was true, White, Guy, Andrews, etc, wouldn’t have all resigned. The fact is, NE only employs winners, not losers like Marsh on his 7th team in as many years.

    This guy was cut because he is a selfish loser who doesn’t understand what setting the edge means.

    Amazing how deep the Pats are in people’s heads. The sound of continued fear is heard loud and clear.

  30. I have Cheetos all over my fingers as I type this. Who cares if you get treated like crap! Your job is to bow to my idol BB so I can pretend I’m a member of a winning organization!

  31. To quote the great Red Foreman “It’s why it’s called work. If it were fun, it’d be called happy fun time”

  32. Damn, I hated his stint with the Pats. Couldn’t have gotten rid of him fast enough!

  33. Somehow Hernandez had time to do PCP and kill people though. Guess this guy didn’t know how to manage his day.

  34. 1clappinghand says:
    July 13, 2021 at 4:08 pm
    No fun? It’s called work! That’s why they dominated
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    Does that mean they put zero work in last season? Did they just skip conditioning, practices and meetings? Must have since they didn’t dominate, right?

  35. Lane Johnson from one of those 1 yr dynasties? How many players miss playing for Belichick? Hiw many go back to NE? How many speak about him with great reverence after retiring. I used to be mad in grammar school when there wasn’t time for cookies and milk after lunch

  36. He must be one of those, no-one loses participation kids growing up where there is no winning or losing so he can’t figure out why he would need to put in any effort and time to be successful and win or what is known in adult life a loser.

  37. My job isn’t that much fun either. The football “fun” kind of ends in high school. Last I checked, no one holdss gun to players heads to make them sign with New England. Don’t like the office life, get a new job. Welcome to the real world, Cassius.

  38. Even the diehard fans have to admit some level truth to this! You have to admit that BB would be a son of a gun to work for.

  39. buffalobluecollarlunchbucket56 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 4:00 pm
    There is no Patriot way. It’s the Brady way. Super bowls won since the break-up. Brady 1 Belechick 0

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    Just because we are keeping score, I believe the Bills is still a big fat ZERO

  40. I love PFT hardos. You fail to recognize that players are PEOPLE. All he is doing is speaking truth to the human element.

    Anything can be achieved if you throw human misery at it. Look at the Pyramids. Look at the early dams and skyscrappers of the modern world. Workers have to die in droves and be crippled to achieve these things.

    Are they still achievements? OF COURSE.

    Were they worth the cost? That’s up for debate. Easy for overweight armchair GM’s to say its worth it. Plenty of other teams do make the playoffs and eventually win a ring without throwing human misery at the challenge. And they also are able to do so without CHEATING.

  41. It’s a job dude. It’s not supposed to be fun. That’s how adults make a living.

  42. He’s enjoy being a Falcon; they play to fake cheers and get to quit halfway through.

  43. The average NFL career is 3.3 years. You have the rest of your life to eat lunch.

  44. This guy’s theme song: “You gotta fight… for your right…. to paaarrrrty!”

  45. Amazing how the Colts continue to live rent free in nhpats head. Truly hilarious

  46. nhpats2011 says:
    “Reggie Wayne basically said the same thing…. As I remember it was “too hard” for him. Which leads to the question, what the heck were they doing in Indiana?”

    Reggie Wayne actually came around in a rare candid article he commented about his time in New England and complemented the Patriots for their winning because they are doing the right thing. He said the kind of training and learning about the awareness of situational football were revelations to him. He left for family reason.

  47. So many posters here burying the Patriots after ONE poor season. ONE. OK guys. We right the ship and take the division back this year, so you can come back and cry and complain about it in January.
    Marsh was ok in a few games I saw him in but then disappeared. No loss, and I really don’t care how he feels.
    On to the 2021 season.

  48. Pitti is just infested with the selfish me players. It’s a big reason why they haven’t sniffed a sb appearance in a decade.

  49. It will be interesting to see how the Pats do with the “Patriot Way” moving forward. The all work and no fun thing works to attract players and keep them happy if there is a winning culture. BB is the best coach in the history of the NFL, but even the best adapt.

  50. Belichick was in 3 Super Bowls with 2 rings before he even met Brady. I’m not sure why this is so hard for everyone to understand.

  51. As a pats fan, I could not care less. Will definitely watch the podcast tho, Segura is hilarious. Thanks for the tip

  52. I don’t think that the Patriots not doing well, last year, reflects poorly on Belichick.

    The Patriots lost Brady….a franchise QB. Every team in the league would suffer if they lost their franchise QB. Imagine the Packers without Rodgers. In addition, the Patriots lost a lot of linemen when they opted out of the season.

    I’m willing to give Belichick a couple of years to get the team back in shape. Hopefully, their new QB will get in soon and will work out. Cam is NOT the answer.

  53. thurmanmerman99 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 6:17 pm
    Amazing how the Colts continue to live rent free in nhpats head. Truly hilarious

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    Kinda like how Brady continues to live rent free in your head?

  54. Belichick has one last chance with Mac Jones. Brady made Belichick, not the other way around. Its crystal clear why they had success and had more to do with Brady than anyone else in that organization

  55. skippyx says:
    July 13, 2021 at 6:33 pm
    Belichick was in 3 Super Bowls with 2 rings before he even met Brady. I’m not sure why this is so hard for everyone to understand.

    2 0 Rate This

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    Because our country with selfish, narcissist idiots.

  56. thedude says:
    July 13, 2021 at 5:28 pm
    They cheat too.
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    As do all teams, there isn’t one team with totally clean hands! But they aren’t nearly the cheaters as a lot of other teams, the Pats are 14th on the list and the top 5 are the Broncos, NYJ, Colts, Steelers and 49er’s.

  57. Coming from a guy who sets the edge in BBs base defense like a piece of boiled pasta.

  58. howboutthemcowboys2020 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 6:50 pm
    Belichick has one last chance with Mac Jones. Brady made Belichick, not the other way around. Its crystal clear why they had success and had more to do with Brady than anyone else in that organization

    4 4 Rate
    Has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

    What you’re saying is Brady’s high school coach and Lloyd Carr know more about the sport than BB.

    And, Bb B drafted, groomed and promoted Brady. Only in 2021, with the world upside down do you and other morons believe such an idiotic statement.

    BIll Belichick taught Brady everything he knows as a flabby 6th rd pick who almost wasn’t drafted.

    Revising history won’t work and makes you sound like a litltle boy who
    missed the first dynasty with Brady as the smart game manager BB wanted him to be to keep pressure off of him with great defenses and special teams, not to mention a future HOF OL Coach.

    Every single Patriot great of the past 20 years will tell you that BB made them a better player than if the player had played somewhere. Every single one.

    And, I am talking the greats, not the Asante Samuels or Malcom Butlers.

  59. skippyx says:
    July 13, 2021 at 6:33 pm
    Belichick was in 3 Super Bowls with 2 rings before he even met Brady. I’m not sure why this is so hard for everyone to understand.

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    As an assistant? That counts? Lol.

  60. When I’m raking leaves this fall and listening to the Patriots on the radio I won’t have a care in the world about what any of them had for lunch. I don’t even care if they had lunch. Pass the apple cider and throw a little more Apple Jack in it.

  61. touchback6 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 7:22 pm
    howboutthemcowboys2020 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 6:50 pm
    Belichick has one last chance with Mac Jones. Brady made Belichick, not the other way around. Its crystal clear why they had success and had more to do with Brady than anyone else in that organization

    4 4 Rate
    Has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.

    What you’re saying is Brady’s high school coach and Lloyd Carr know more about the sport than BB.

    And, Bb B drafted, groomed and promoted Brady. Only in 2021, with the world upside down do you and other morons believe such an idiotic statement.

    BIll Belichick taught Brady everything he knows as a flabby 6th rd pick who almost wasn’t drafted.

    Revising history won’t work and makes you sound like a litltle boy who
    missed the first dynasty with Brady as the smart game manager BB wanted him to be to keep pressure off of him with great defenses and special teams, not to mention a future HOF OL Coach.

    Every single Patriot great of the past 20 years will tell you that BB made them a better player than if the player had played somewhere. Every single one.

    And, I am talking the greats, not the Asante Samuels or Malcom Butlers.

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    It’s just a shame BB’s defenses blew all three SBs the Pats lost under Brady. Especially the last one where Brady put up 505 yards of passing. It was an Epic choke job by BB and the defense

  62. Bill Belichick got steam rolled by the Steelers when he was the Head Coach of the Browns. Not saying he isnt a great coach that maximizes his players talents, but the Patriots Super Bowls were due to Tom Brady not Bill Belichick. Belichick was a mediocre HC until he got Tom Brady

  63. HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA, 7 teams in 7yrs, enough said, this guy just can’t cut what it takes to be an NFL player and 7 teams in 7yrs says it all!

    And this goes 180* against everything I’ve heard from the Pats players that could hack it, those players tell stories of how BB would have them practicing out in the snow when their opponets would be practicing indoors and how they hated it until Sunday when they’d win because of the extra effort Belichick required from them. A lot of players and a whole lot of people don’t realize the extra effort winning a Lombardi takes, that’s why they or their team isn’t winning rings!

    32 teams and 1 Lombardi, the meek, loafers, lazy and those players that want to have fun need not apply, they aren’t going to get one!

  64. buffalobluecollarlunchbucket56 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 4:00 pm
    There is no Patriot way. It’s the Brady way. Super bowls won since the break-up. Brady 1 Belechick 0

    The death of critical thinking in this country is amazing. You really have to be on the bottom of that scale to forget we have a COVID year, which included lots of opt outs to which the Pats were unusually affected (8 players, many key, when everyone else had 1-2, maybe 3 and rarely key). On an even playing field (hard to envision where Brady is involved) I would give it to Bill every time. He is the reason Brady has rings at all.

  65. Hey Patriots Honks, if Belichick was such a genius how come he could only go 7-9 with Cam Newton?

  66. puntonfirstdown says:
    July 13, 2021 at 6:00 pm
    The average NFL career is 3.3 years. You have the rest of your life to eat lunch.
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    YES but the average NFL career is figured including players that were drafted but never make a teams 53 man opening day roster so it’s a very misleading stat! Of the players that make a teams 53 man opening day roster their average career last 3 to 4 times that long depending mostly on the position they play and 2nd on how many Pro-Bowls they make.

  67. howboutthemcowboys2020 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 7:54 pm
    Hey Patriots Honks, if Belichick was such a genius how come he could only go 7-9 with Cam Newton?

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    Because BB the GM is killing BB the Coach

  68. howboutthemcowboys2020 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 7:54 pm
    Hey Patriots Honks, if Belichick was such a genius how come he could only go 7-9 with Cam Newton?

    2 2 Rate This

    Umm, did you watch Cam Newtoj play? He was terrible.

    7-9 is a great record wirh Newton, the 3rd offseason rebuild, a pandemic and no camp.

    Are you this dumb? Seeiously?

    Just wipe 2020 out of your head. Bad football was played everywhere.

  69. There are a number of ways you can have a football dynasty, but the best way is to have one of the all time great QB’s. Whether it’s the 49ers and Montana, The Patriots and Brady, The Cowboys and Aikman, the Broncos and Elway, The Packers and Starr, they all had that in common. But they way they treated their players was pretty much a reflection of the way the people who ran those organizations were raised to treat people. I know the 49ers under Eddie DeBartolo were treated very well. Everyone loved playing for them. The old Packers loved Vince Lombardi, even though he was supposedly a tough guy. Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones had a lot of fun winning, and their players loved playing there. So you can treat people really well and still win. Obviously, the Patriots have never won anything without Tom Brady, so you can’t really say that treating people like crap is the way to win. I guess it’s more accurate to say that Tom Brady is so good, he can win in spite of a horrible work environment.

  70. Typical millennial, guy would have never been let in the door in the 60s & 70s.

  71. howboutthemcowboys2020 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 7:54 pm
    Hey Patriots Honks, if Belichick was such a genius how come he could only go 7-9 with Cam Newton?
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    That BB was able to go 7-9 with Cam Newton ACTUALLY PROVES he is a genius….

  72. Gets paid millions of dollars to play a kid’s game, set for life, says he has no fun because he doesn’t get enough time to eat at the workplace.

    That’s what’s called a lack of perspective.

  73. Did this clown lose his binkie???is that why ANY OF US are even hearing something from this guy??!!

  74. How come Brady was able to leave the Patriots and still win a Super Bowl but Belichick couldn’t go .500 without Brady? Its all Tom Brady. Belichick is a good coach and hasn’t won anything as a Head Coach without Brady. Brady went to a brand new team and a brand new Head Coach and still won a Super Bowl. Sorry Patriots fans you lose

  75. College teams have lunch periods. You’re embarrassing yourself by complaining that you don’t get recess.

    Act like a professional.

  76. Yes. The plan is not for everyone. But what about the rings? When I balled as a kid I could not stand my coaches… until we won the championship. It was tremendous. CHAMPIONS. I still have my trophies from my childhood. Suck it up. How many teams did you play for?

  77. nhpats2011 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 8:02 pm
    howboutthemcowboys2020 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 7:54 pm
    Hey Patriots Honks, if Belichick was such a genius how come he could only go 7-9 with Cam Newton?

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    Because BB the GM is killing BB the Coach

    1 3 Rate This

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    2 offseasons removed from a 2nd dynasty BB created as GM and you are saying such a thing.

    No way you are a Pats fan. No way.

    BB is so good, he rebuilt the team while in the midst of winning a title.

    Imagine if Brady hadn’t crapped his pants in SB 46? The second dynasty would have started a few years before 2014.

  78. howboutthemcowboys2020 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 8:26 pm
    How come Brady was able to leave the Patriots and still win a Super Bowl but Belichick couldn’t go .500 without Brady?
    ____________________________________________

    WOW, one pandemic year and you have it all figured out?

    Brady went to a stacked team on defense that just needed a little leadership on the offensive side and that’s what they got, but maybe, just maybe Brady brought what Belichick taught him to that Bucs team!

  79. The best PFT comment of the off season:

    “I heard they didn’t have recess either”.

  80. Imagine if Brady hadn’t crapped his pants in SB 46? The second dynasty would have started a few years before 2014.
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    Imagine if the defense could have just made one stop and kept Eli Manning out of the end zone late in the 4th quarter? That’s all it took. Stop an average QB with the game on the line. Yes, Brady did not have a great game. But he put the team ahead late in the 4th quarter and all they needed to do was get a stop. Just like 2007, the defense crapped their pants. That’s a fact.

  81. The death of critical thinking in this country is amazing. You really have to be on the bottom of that scale to forget we have a COVID year, which included lots of opt outs to which the Pats were unusually affected (8 players, many key, when everyone else had 1-2, maybe 3 and rarely key). On an even playing field (hard to envision where Brady is involved) I would give it to Bill every time. He is the reason Brady has rings at all.
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    Wait, so Covid only impacted the Patriots? The fact that Brady went to a new team with a new coach, system, players, etc. isn’t meaningful at all when factoring in Covid?

    You might give it to Bill every time, but you would lose…..every time. Bill is a below .500 coach without Tom Brady with a substantial sample size. Tom Brady is a SB winning QB without Bill.

  82. blessedunliketherest says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:00 pm
    Imagine if Brady hadn’t crapped his pants in SB 46? The second dynasty would have started a few years before 2014.
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________

    Imagine if the defense could have just made one stop and kept Eli Manning out of the end zone late in the 4th quarter? That’s all it took. Stop an average QB with the game on the line. Yes, Brady did not have a great game. But he put the team ahead late in the 4th quarter and all they needed to do was get a stop. Just like 2007, the defense crapped their pants. That’s a fact.

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    Exactly. He refuses to acknowledge that this inconvenient fact.

  83. Say it ain’t so Cassius. Does this mean that you won’t have Belichick present you at Canton?

  84. Jimmypinthe416 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 7:25 pm

    skippyx says:
    July 13, 2021 at 6:33 pm
    Belichick was in 3 Super Bowls with 2 rings before he even met Brady. I’m not sure why this is so hard for everyone to understand.

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    As an assistant? That counts? Lol.
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    He was the defensive coordinator that shut down the vaunted Bills offense and allowed the Giants to steal a Super Bowl victory……much like he did later as head coach versus Rams (first time, actually both times)/

  85. skippyx,

    When his unit carried them to the Super Bowls and specifically the one that they somehow beat what looked like a superior Bill team on every level (sound familiar) and the HC said that it was his game plan that they ran, yes. Yes it does. The only way Belichick doesn’t win another Super Bowl is if he dies first. Some of you need to realize this is the greatest football mind of the modern era and appreciate the greatness while you are watching it. I’m not even remotely a fan of the Patriots, but I recognize this.

  86. Why do people keep using the pandemic opt outs as an excuse for the patriots last season. The quantity may have been the highest in the league but the quality wasn’t a big issue. Hightower was a big loss. Other than him they were all guys who were either retiring or gonna be traded (so not gonna play for the pats) and guys who had as much chance of getting cut than making the team so they took a sure thing in the opt out cash.
    I guess Bolden was a loss for the pats but missing his special team play wasn’t the reason they sucked last season.
    Cam Newton sucked and Cam Newton was Belichick’s choice. And he’s sticking with him again.

  87. lengai says:
    July 13, 2021 at 4:46 pm
    What the Patriots have done is in another universe of excellence from any other NFL team. The documentary series out about the Chicago Bulls is a very similar tale except the Bill Belichick of that parallel story is Michael Jordan.
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    Tom Brady would be the comparison, not Belichick. As the Bulls didn’t win championships without Jordan, the Patriots don’t win championships without Brady. And Brady did Jordan one better- went to another team and immediately won a championship, while Belichick’s Patriots fell from 12-4 the previous year with Brady to 7-9 without him.

  88. Seriously, are people here actually arguing that Brady would have led any team he joined to a Super Bowl title last year? And that Belichick literally had nothing to do with the six Patriots’ championships?

    Come on. I get that BB isn’t the most likable personality in the world, but these arguments are desperate, if not laughable.

  89. I’m not a professional football player or anything like that, but still what he describes just sounds like a normal workday to me. Im not clear what the problem is here.

  90. Imagine if the defense could have just made one stop and kept Eli Manning out of the end zone late in the 4th quarter? That’s all it took. Stop an average QB with the game on the line. Yes, Brady did not have a great game. But he put the team ahead late in the 4th quarter and all they needed to do was get a stop. Just like 2007, the defense crapped their pants. That’s a fact.

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    So, let me get this right: Brady and the offense can play poorly for 3.5 quarters and then get a late score and put the team ahead so hes not to blame BUT the defense can play well for almost 4 quarters and then Manningham or Tyree can make career catches and the defense is the reason they lost?

    Nice logic.

    The defense never should have been in that position. The reason they were is because the offense under performed in both games, and not by a little.

    2007 Pats scoring was 37 points/game…..they scored 14 in the SB
    2011 Pats scoring was 32 points/game…..they scored 17 in the SB

    BTW, the Pats D in 2007 gave up 17 points a game during the season, the same as they did in the SB…..same thing in 2011, they gave up 21 points a game in the regular season and then 21 points in the SB. They played as expected. You know who didnt play as expected? The offense.

  91. As the Bulls didn’t win championships without Jordan, the Patriots don’t win championships without Brady

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    Do the 49ers win any Super Bowls without Montana/Young?
    Do the Packers win any without Starr?
    How about Noll if Bradshaw wasnt there?

    Do you automatically downgrade Walsh, Lombardi, and Noll because they had great QB’s?

  92. I don’t want to pile on this guy, because he had his experience and he’s allowed to voice his opinion.

    I would never imagine that being a coach or a player in the NFL would be even remotely “fun”. There is constant pressure (HUGE pressure), and there will always be an endless line of guys who would willingly take your place if you can’t cut it.

    I don’t read BB as the most warm & fuzzy guy, but he’s gotten results, which is all his job is about. If he wasn’t demanding then I doubt he’d have the results.

    A coach can only strive to be liked by his players to a certain point, because he needs to be successful to keep his job.

  93. While we’re at it, Michael Jordan didn’t win any NBA titles without being coached by Phil Jackson. But Jackson did win NBA titles without MJ.

    Therefore, Jordan had nothing to do with the Bulls’ six titles. Or so the logic goes.

  94. And that Belichick literally had nothing to do with the six Patriots’ championships?

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    He didn’t have a winning formula, he was a product of Brady.

  95. I don’t think anyone is arguing that Belichick is a bum as a coach. He’s the greatest coach of all time. The argument is between who was more important to the Patriots dynasty…..Belichick or Brady? So far the answer is Brady. No one knows how either guy would have done without the other for the majority of their careers so they are both integral parts to the dynasty. But if you compare Belichick without Brady and vice versa then Brady is in the lead right now. It could change over the next few years but I think Brady stays ahead and has more success than Belichick.

  96. cancerman2020 says:
    July 14, 2021 at 9:28 am
    Imagine if the defense could have just made one stop and kept Eli Manning out of the end zone late in the 4th quarter? That’s all it took. Stop an average QB with the game on the line. Yes, Brady did not have a great game. But he put the team ahead late in the 4th quarter and all they needed to do was get a stop. Just like 2007, the defense crapped their pants. That’s a fact.

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    So, let me get this right: Brady and the offense can play poorly for 3.5 quarters and then get a late score and put the team ahead so hes not to blame BUT the defense can play well for almost 4 quarters and then Manningham or Tyree can make career catches and the defense is the reason they lost?

    Nice logic.

    The defense never should have been in that position. The reason they were is because the offense under performed in both games, and not by a little.

    2007 Pats scoring was 37 points/game…..they scored 14 in the SB
    2011 Pats scoring was 32 points/game…..they scored 17 in the SB

    BTW, the Pats D in 2007 gave up 17 points a game during the season, the same as they did in the SB…..same thing in 2011, they gave up 21 points a game in the regular season and then 21 points in the SB. They played as expected. You know who didnt play as expected? The offense.

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    You make some valid points as Brady and the offense did struggle mightily in both SBs against the Giants. But he also took a beating from the Giants’ relentless pass rush. Moreover, despite that, he did manage to give the Patriots a 4 point lead with a TD to Moss with 2:36 left in the game. All the defense needed to do was keep Eil from scoring a TD. And they couldn’t do it. And they had opportunities….but they didn’t get it done.

  97. cancerman2020 says:
    July 14, 2021 at 9:28 am
    Imagine if the defense could have just made one stop and kept Eli Manning out of the end zone late in the 4th quarter? That’s all it took. Stop an average QB with the game on the line. Yes, Brady did not have a great game. But he put the team ahead late in the 4th quarter and all they needed to do was get a stop. Just like 2007, the defense crapped their pants. That’s a fact.

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    So, let me get this right: Brady and the offense can play poorly for 3.5 quarters and then get a late score and put the team ahead so hes not to blame BUT the defense can play well for almost 4 quarters and then Manningham or Tyree can make career catches and the defense is the reason they lost?

    Nice logic.

    The defense never should have been in that position. The reason they were is because the offense under performed in both games, and not by a little.

    2007 Pats scoring was 37 points/game…..they scored 14 in the SB
    2011 Pats scoring was 32 points/game…..they scored 17 in the SB

    BTW, the Pats D in 2007 gave up 17 points a game during the season, the same as they did in the SB…..same thing in 2011, they gave up 21 points a game in the regular season and then 21 points in the SB. They played as expected. You know who didnt play as expected? The offense.

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    Finally, an honest and educated Pats fan who speaks fact and truth with no revisionist history involved.

    BB built those teams offense first for Brady and Brady failed in the biggest moments alongside some horrendous title games the games before the SBs.

  98. BB built those teams offense first for Brady and Brady failed in the biggest moments alongside some horrendous title games the games before the SBs.

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    Did you see the similarity between 2007 offense and Bucs offense in the first 3 months of 2020?

    IF Belichick had wining formula, you should ask why he was so stupid to abandon his winning formula in 2007.

  99. I don’t think anyone is arguing that Belichick is a bum as a coach. He’s the greatest coach of all time.

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    He didn’t even know what made Pats offense work under Brady. So let us wait to see if he is as good as you think.

    Kraft is not a patient man, and I think Belichick will (be forced to) resign in next two seasons.

  100. This does not surprise me. It’s work and winning. The work needed to get to winning isn’t always fun.

    Now winning, winning is fun.

    I bet a lot of those guys who have rings may have felt the same way, but also realized that the ethic and approach gave them what is sparkling on their hand.

  101. This does not surprise me. It’s work and winning. The work needed to get to winning isn’t always fun.

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    That is not the issue, the issue is that players were treated like crap, no respect.

    Let us see if Belichick can still treat players like crap … and win.

  102. This year will be interesting for the Pat’s. With all the free agent $$ they spent and two somewhat capable QB’s on the roster, there is no excuses for a sub 0.500 record. They will come out the gate slow, but if they aren’t winning in November and December, Belechick’s seat will feel some heat for the first time in almost two decades.

  103. The people saying “boo hoo it’s lunch break” are ridiculous. These are the supposed most elite athletes in the country, you’d think with all the $$ put into the game and all the sports science out there, they’d have mandatory eating schedules with every calories measured out for them.

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