Monday’s ruling could spark a settlement of the St. Louis relocation case

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Things did not go well for the NFL on Monday in a St. Louis courtroom. Specifically, things didn’t go well for the Commissioner and several owners; the presiding judge has found enough potentially fraudulent behavior to justify probing their financial records for the purposes of eventually assessing punitive damages.

As one source with thorough knowledge of the dynamics of the league and its ownership suggested on Monday night, the ruling quite possibly will lead to a settlement of the case.

It makes sense. Commissioner Roger Goodell, Rams owner Stan Kroenke, Cowboys owner Jerry Jones, Patriots owner Robert Kraft, Giants owner John Mara, and former Panthers owner Jerry Richardson (not that his vote matters anymore) won’t want to let anyone probe their financial records. Still reeling from the indignity of having power wielded against the immensely powerful, one or more of them will inevitably issue a simple mandate to the league office: “Make this go away.”

Yesterday’s ruling surely increased the price. But that’s the risk that’s assumed when not settling a case before a bad ruling arrives.

The other owners have reason to rattle the cage for a settlement; they ultimately may have their books probed, too. The judge will consider further arguments and evidence that the financial records of all owners should be fair game.

So now’s the time to convene an emergency Zoom call for the purposes of passing the hat. Especially since the hat will be passed directly to Kroenke, and it will stay there. Hell, he and COO Kevin Demoff quite possibly budgeted for the litigation costs when running all the numbers and realizing it made more sense to move to L.A. than stay in St. Louis. Whatever the price (likely, somewhere between $100 million and a billion), it’s time for Kroenke — who paid his fellow owners $645 million just for the privilege to move to L.A. — to crack out the check book and make this go away.

Don’t be surprised if he does.

45 responses to “Monday’s ruling could spark a settlement of the St. Louis relocation case

  1. Only a criminal would be worried about having a court look through their finances, what do these owners have to hide????

  2. 645 million given to other owners just to move a franchise? Florio, how is this not collusion…

  3. So the city of St. Louis has now stolen two football teams and lost them both. Is there a possibility that maybe St. Louis hasn’t completely held up their end of the bargain and the local politicians are trying to save face by blaming their shortcomings on Kroenke?

  4. The commissioner and Kroenke not being truthful? I am shocked! No, I am mortified! Tell me it is not so! Tell me that these beacons of honesty and virtue were not implicated! Tell me that they were misquoted or it was a typo!
    Knowing Kroenke he will want to go to trial, such is his ego!

  5. St. Louis holds most of the cards in this game. I would think $1Billion from Kroenke (owners) AND the NFL coughing-up an expansion team to St. Louis would be the starting point of any settlement. St. Louis would then spend half of that to majorly upgrade the Dome or raze it and start over. New stadium would be ready for ’25 when the league expands to 36 teams.

  6. ilovefishinginsteadofnfl says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:28 am
    645 million given to other owners just to move a franchise? Florio, how is this not collusion…

    11 11 Rate This

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    It is what Goodell does. He lies, cheats and steals.

  7. Not a fan of Kroenke at all and I hope St. Louis wins this lawsuit in a big way. But sadly, the St. Louis city government will just waste the money.

  8. “St. Louis holds most of the cards in this game. I would think $1Billion from Kroenke (owners) AND the NFL coughing-up an expansion team to St. Louis would be the starting point of any settlement.”
    ____________

    If the NFL totally overplayed their hand this here is an example of going off the deep end in the other direction.

  9. ghjjf says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:22 am
    Only a criminal would be worried about having a court look through their finances, what do these owners have to hide????

    ——

    I am no criminal but there is no way I want anyone going through my personal finances. Who would?

  10. pkrjones says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:49 am
    St. Louis holds most of the cards in this game. I would think $1Billion from Kroenke (owners) AND the NFL coughing-up an expansion team to St. Louis would be the starting point of any settlement. St. Louis would then spend half of that to majorly upgrade the Dome or raze it and start over. New stadium would be ready for ’25 when the league expands to 36 teams.
    ___________

    In reality, the city of St. Louis is solely responsible for the Rams leaving. The city was contractually obligated to perform those major upgrades to the Edward Jones Dome over a decade ago. Not only did the city fail to make those upgrades, it expressly told the Rams and the league on several occasions that it would not.

    If the city had performed according to the contract the Rams would still be in St. Louis.

  11. St. Louis doesn’t deserve a new team. They’ve lost two already who have thrived in their new locations – clearly it’s a baseball town, but football just doesn’t work there. Let’s not forget that they acquired the Rams because their owner at the time was incompetent and inherited the team when her husband died. She was from St. Louis and wanted to go home. I don’t recall her having to pay hundreds of millions to the other owners to do so. This whole thing is a hot mess.

  12. As to what St Louis promised is what is missing in all this. St Louis was going to build another new stadium, another one, for the Rams and would be located east of the current one. Drawing had been done and approved. Kroenke was to pay a small portion but kroenke would not commit, obviously, since LA was already beginning with the land clearance. Look it up!

  13. Any NFL team that gets public money for a stadium should be required to open up their books for the entirety of the stadium lease. If they don’t want to, then they can pay for their own playgrounds.

  14. nhpats2011 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 10:20 am
    ghjjf says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:22 am
    Only a criminal would be worried about having a court look through their finances, what do these owners have to hide????

    ——

    I am no criminal but there is no way I want anyone going through my personal finances. Who would?

    ___________

    Your personal finances are very different from the finances of a billion+ dollar organization that regularly gets 9-figure public subsidies and essentially operates as a monopoly.

  15. so we now know the going rate to make the officials help a team cheat their way to a super bowl appearance is 645 million.

  16. I wouldnt be surprised if the NFL pulls some rabbit out of their hat, errrrrrrrr, pays off an judge on appeal.

  17. ilovefishinginsteadofnfl says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:28 am
    645 million given to other owners just to move a franchise? Florio, how is this not collusion…
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    You can’t collude against your self.

  18. If there’s nothing uncouth going on, then they have nothing to hide.

    The problem is that human beings don’t amass such obscene amounts of wealth without having a *lot* to hide. The not-at-all-surprising likelihood is that they’re unbelievable tax cheats.

    Rake them over the coals.

  19. If this story is true, it makes the owners sound like gangsters. Why should the worry about the judge seeing their books, unless they are doing illegal things?

    Stay tuned. This could get interesting.

  20. Rams payed a relocation fee leaving LA but it was a fraction of what they paid to go back.
    ( Oilers was 30 mill)

    That being said franchise valuations have skyrocketed.

  21. One thing that seems to be missing is the judge and court is very slanted towards St Louis and almost no chance the NFL and Silent Stan can win (they should get what they want in appeals) with a St Louis jury and Judge. Expect a lot of appeals on every decisions going forward especially on the fairness of the judge, court and jury. Not to mention what is in the actual contracts, not assumptions.

  22. Sounds like the NFL lost the judge roulette wheel this time around.

    This little 3-Card Monty played by Kroenke is about to bite him in the behind (where his wallet is).

    But the billionaires always win in the end, and I don’t think that they give a damn.

  23. Goodell is the big liar here, but it seems he will wiggle out of the crosshairs as long as owners write a big enough check

  24. nhpats2011 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 10:20 am
    ghjjf says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:22 am

    Only a criminal would be worried about having a court look through their finances, what do these owners have to hide????

    I am no criminal but there is no way I want anyone going through my personal finances. Who would?

    With this ruling do you think the IRS is paying attention?

  25. tonyzendejas says:
    July 13, 2021 at 11:24 am
    If there’s nothing uncouth going on, then they have nothing to hide.

    The problem is that human beings don’t amass such obscene amounts of wealth without having a *lot* to hide. The not-at-all-surprising likelihood is that they’re unbelievable tax cheats.

    Rake them over the coals.

    ——-

    You are definitely a glass-is-empty kind of guy. Why do you assume the worst in people?

  26. nhpats2011 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 1:30 pm
    tonyzendejas says:
    July 13, 2021 at 11:24 am
    If there’s nothing uncouth going on, then they have nothing to hide.

    The problem is that human beings don’t amass such obscene amounts of wealth without having a *lot* to hide. The not-at-all-surprising likelihood is that they’re unbelievable tax cheats.

    Rake them over the coals.

    ——-

    You are definitely a glass-is-empty kind of guy. Why do you assume the worst in people?

    ________________________

    Because I’m observant?

  27. Definitely a settlement coming, and it will be huge. And may even include a promise of an expansion team.

  28. Kroenke will give Snyder a run for his money as the least liked owner. Just give him time.

  29. My prediction is $750M cash or $500M cash + guaranteed next expansion slot/relocation location.

    It’s an odd argument by to say failure to improve old stadium on existing lease allows league to skip straight to relocation actions, even if city/state wants to offer a new stadium proposal (which it did). The argument in court is that the NFL has a process for relocation to avoid anti-trust issues, Goodell testified it binds league/owners, and process wasn’t followed in good faith. Mandatory league relocation rules required Kroenke to do everything to preserve team in St. Louis, but he was already conspiring to move the team when he gained full control in 2010, telling the other owners “Los Angeles, baby!” on the day of approval.

    People keep talking about the lease as being a reason the league didn’t have to follow its own mandatory policy – this lawsuit has nothing to do with the lease for the dome, the lease issue has been conceded by the St. Louis Visitors & Convention Bureau. Those who think it does should actually read the lawsuit instead of choosing sides first.

  30. scoreatwill says:
    July 13, 2021 at 10:44 am
    As to what St Louis promised is what is missing in all this. St Louis was going to build another new stadium, another one, for the Rams and would be located east of the current one. Drawing had been done and approved. Kroenke was to pay a small portion but kroenke would not commit, obviously, since LA was already beginning with the land clearance. Look it up!
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    Right. St. Louis was going to build a new stadium when the dome was only 20 years old, AND they’re still paying for it! Regardless of whether the city “deserves” a team, the politicians of St. Louis are/were willing to stick taxpayers with paying off TWO stadiums. The idea of this is appalling.

    You know how you build a house from scratch then build a new one while you’re still paying off the first one? Makes a ton of sense.

    I guess a billion dollars doesn’t buy what it used to.

  31. The NFL is really caught in a bind here. They can provide all the requested information, go to trial and if they lose appeal the verdict. However there is no guarantee they would win an appeal and the personal financial information already is made public.
    They can settle but then they would have a hard time appealing and convincing another court that your appealing what you agreed to.
    As to an appeal….they can already been shot down when they wanted arbitration rather than court action and also the Supreme Court declined to hear this matter.

  32. touchback6 says:
    July 13, 2021 at 10:01 am
    ilovefishinginsteadofnfl says:
    July 13, 2021 at 9:28 am
    645 million given to other owners just to move a franchise? Florio, how is this not collusion…

    11 11 Rate This

    ——————-

    It is what Goodell does. He lies, cheats and steals.

    _________________

    I see our resident Goodell obsessed fan didn’t waste much time posting. Dude you are really something lol

  33. “Not a fan of Kroenke at all and I hope St. Louis wins this lawsuit in a big way. But sadly, the St. Louis city government will just waste the money.”

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    What would constitute “wasting” the money?… Not spending it as you think the city government should?

    Better yet, if you were in STL shoes how would YOU spend any settlement money?

  34. I’ve heard rumors that the NFL will ask the Chargers to move to St. Louis, if the Chargers agree, The NFL will wave the relocation fee the Chargers owe from the move from San Diego to LA, The NFL would also help the Chargers with their money problems and help Dean Spanos buy out his sister who is suing the other siblings and trying to force the Family to sale the Chargers. Again, just rumors.

  35. tonyzendejas says:
    July 13, 2021 at 1:45 pm

    Because I’m observant?

    ***************

    Yep. Overly observant.

  36. Haven’t liked Kroenke ever. Married a fortune, then sold out his home state for more money. This from a guy who starred (?) for the Mizzou basketball team. Hope he pays through the nose.

    Other than that, the NFL is super. Cough, cough.

  37. StL wins in settlement. NFL provides $16 mil for the cost StL spent to keep Rams. Also, allows for Chargers to relocate to StL in 2025/6. NFL provides $600m to help build new stadium and waive relocation fee for Spanos. Spanos then sells majority of team to a local billionaire minority investor. NFL assists in the transaction so they can now promote the first black-owned team. Spanos is relieved of his financial problems, StL is rewarded with a second coming of Kurt Warner, Clark Hunt can renew the cross state rivalry, and NFL owners can boast equal opportunity.

    Or, King Kroenke takes it to trial, loses, and we wait another 4 years for the appeal process with the trial being moved to NYC for the payoff.

  38. DUUUUVVVAAAALLLLL…..Just felt like saying it because we were supposed to be in LA, London, San Antonio or wherever by now. Toodles.

  39. The Rams relocation was crooked from the beginning.

    For starters, their lease stipulated that the Edwards Jones Dome had to be one of the top stadiums in the league for amenities. It was built in 1993, things like luxury suites, HD scoreboards, internet, etc wasn’t invented yet or wasn’t advanced.

    Georgia Frontieries kids wanted to sell to Shad Khan, but Kroenke contractually had the right of first refusal.

    While “negotiating” with St. Louis City/County and the State of Missouri, Kroenke was secretly negotiating with Inglewood, violating their lease. Of the three teams that were looking to relocate (Chargers, Raiders, Rams) the Rams had the only municipal governments that were willing to work with them.

    The NFL colluded with Kroenke because they knew he had the money to build his own stadium. The taxpayers in Los Angeles would never agree to foot the bill, so the Rans won. It should have been the Raiders/Chargers in LA.

    As for St. Louis losing two teams, the Cardinals demanded a new stadium in the mid-80’s and left St. Louis in 1987, they didn’t get their new stadium in Phoenix for 19 years. St. Louis fans lose interest when their team sucks. The Rams moved to St. Louis as the joke of the league and ended their existence in St. Louis as the joke of the league.

    That GSOT era, it was well supported.

  40. Got to love all of the arm chair legal geniuses on here. NFL did not collude anything. People just hate when rich people make money.

  41. I think they can get more than is being posted here since NFL is definitely guilty of crossing anti-trust, and at least one of the defendants is guilty of tax maleficence. I think you can get $600 mil from Kronke, plus $300 mil stadium offset from NFL, an agreement to ban Goddell from any professional football position, and a promise to be the next expansion team.

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