Vikings say discussions with Rick Dennison are ongoing

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ESPN’s report that Vikings offensive line coach Rick Dennison is out ultimately may be accurate. For now, it’s at least premature.

“The Vikings continue to hold discussions with Offensive Line Coach Rick Dennison regarding the NFL-NFLPA COVID-19 Protocols for training camp and preseason games,” the team said in a statement. “At this time, Coach Dennison does not have an exemption to the vaccination requirements of those protocols. We will adhere to the requirements of the protocols and of applicable law.”

This implies that Dennison sought an exemption, and that it was denied. If so, he’ll now have to decide whether to get vaccinated.

Previously, coaches who chose not to be vaccinated weren’t going to be fired or pushed out. However, they also weren’t going to receive direct access to players if they lose Tier 1 status.

Thursday’s memo may have changed that, raising the stakes considerably for outbreaks involving unvaccinated players and staff. With no union to protect assistant coaches, it’s far easier for teams to take a hard line with coaches than players. Given the hard line the league is taking with players, it’s no surprise that teams with assistant coaches who haven’t gotten vaccinated are pushing them to do so — perhaps even to the point of leaking to ESPN the incorrect notion that the assistant coach has been fired in order to prove to the assistant coach in question that the team is serious about its position.

Dennison remains ready to do his job.

“At alll times Rick Dennison has at all times been ready, willing, and able to work and to do everything in his power to help the Minnesota Vikings win a Super Bowl,” Dennison’s agent, Peter Schaffer, told PFT. “That continues to be his mindset.”

It’s a good mindset to have. If Dennison ends up getting fired at a time when he’s ready and willing to work, he’d likely have a strong claim to receive his pay. Although the Vikings could fire Dennison for cause and not pay him, firing him for declining to be vaccinated most likely does not amount to a for-cause firing.

At this point, however, the Vikings and other teams with assistant coaches who refuse the vaccine may not care. Even if those individuals end up being paid to not work, some teams may prefer to get them out of the building completely, if for no reason other than to further demonstrate to the players who serious the team and the league are about players and staff choosing to be vaccinated.

87 responses to “Vikings say discussions with Rick Dennison are ongoing

  1. Clearly Minnesota heard how much that lawsuit settlement was going to be. It would be around how much that coach would take ten years to make.

  2. More accurately, he did “almost everything in his power”, he didn’t do the only critical, non-negotiable thing…

  3. theoriginalsurferbob says:

    July 23, 2021 at 5:04 pm

    Clearly Minnesota heard how much that lawsuit settlement was going to be. It would be around how much that coach would take ten years to make.

    __________________

    They wouldn’t be sued if they did/do fire him for not taking the Covid vaccine. Because he’s an at-will employee but also the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Federal Courts already ruled that employers can legally require that their employees be vaccinated.

  4. Wow – people do feel strongly that making them wear a mask or limiting their interactions under certain circumstances is a terribly oppressive thing to do. I assume they cant understand why they cant smoke on airplanes or in many other designated locations. Obviously the prohibitions on cigarettes came from the shared scientific understanding is that second hand smoke can harm people around you. Wait – not being vaccinated, let alone refusing to wear a mask when not vaccinated, can kill innocent people around you. Hmmm, cigarette ban ok but increasing the likelihood of death and propagation of a virus during a pandemic is on ethically shaky ground… got it.

  5. And yet, the Vikings continue to employ the likes of Jeff Gadney. 🤔

  6. The guy came down from his internet-Facebook-FoxNews induced haze of stupidity and realized how much money he was flushing away by not getting a simple vaccine.

  7. Odd to see all the PFT posters that normally support owners making the rules whine about this one that also has the NFL’s backing.

    He has a choice to get vaccinated or not. The team has mitigated its risk. Not sure what would qualify as an exemption. I doubt susceptibility to conspiracy theories and pseudo-science qualifies.

  8. Fire him because he sucks. We have been asking for this guy to get fired for the last couple years.

  9. My guess is that they have demoted him to no longer being a tier 1 employee. There’s too much information about moving up his assistant and hiring a college coach to take the assistants place.
    Also being an at will state the employer is pretty well protected from any lawsuit that everyone talks about.

  10. A contractor came into one of my properties earlier in 2021 sans mask and saw me wearing one.

    He told meI didn’t need to wear one for him. I told hm he could go maskless as long as he promised to tell the doctors and nurses doing surgery on him or his family didn’t wear masks or scrub up.

    He didn’t see the irony.

  11. “Rick Dennison has at all times been ready, willing, and able to work and to do everything in his power to help the Minnesota Vikings win a Super Bowl”.

    It is in his power to get vaccinated.

  12. Wow – people do feel strongly that making them wear a mask or limiting their interactions under certain circumstances is a terribly oppressive thing to do. I assume they cant understand why they cant smoke on airplanes or in many other designated locations. Obviously the prohibitions on cigarettes came from the shared scientific understanding is that second hand smoke can harm people around you. Wait – not being vaccinated, let alone refusing to wear a mask when not vaccinated, can kill innocent people around you. Hmmm, cigarette ban ok but increasing the likelihood of death and propagation of a virus during a pandemic is on ethically shaky ground… got it.

    Right because forcing people to wear a mask is the same as prohibiting smoking in certain places, where do you people come up with these stupid analogies? Wow is right there pal

  13. What a bunch of wimps. My wife works on the clinical side of a dental office, with patients all day, creating aerosols every time a patient opens his/her mouth. Her office closed for 2 months last spring except for emergencies. She now wears scrubs, an N95 mask, goggles on top of her glasses, a face shield, gloves, a full length gown on top of the scrubs, and a surgical hat. It’s basically a hazmat suit, so that they can provide dental care while keeping themselves as safe as possible and also other patients. And she was fully vaccinated by the end of January…..brave enough to be one of the first to get it.

  14. Methodist Hospital in Houston fired the employees who refused to get the shot. They sued. Guess what? Judge ruled for the employer!

  15. It isn’t just a matter of at-will employment. The SCOTUS ruled that vaccines can be mandated by an employer more than a hundred years ago. The ruling was recently buttressed by a federal court in Texas 2 months ago. There is zero grounds for litigation here.

  16. Why are we freaking out over some virus that has a 98% survival rate. Look back a few years, the flu bug was worse. Get it together America, or we’re doomed.

  17. So the vaccine is safe and effective. And the vast majority of recent COVID deaths are unvaccinated people. And the vaccine is free and available to anyone who wants it.

    So who are we trying to protect here, with the constant testing and mandates and public pressure? The unvaccinated from themselves? They chose to refuse the vaccine!! Leave them alone and let them continue to work while you’re at it. Logic people.

  18. Patriots part ways with assistant coach over vaccination. I guess neither Kraft nor Belichick are really closet QAnon adherents and their support of the prior president was friendship based and not policy. Tell FOX it’s not creeping socialism; it’s a creeping reality check.

  19. Our sacred Constitution, so often cited by right wing politicians and pundits as the last word in governance in a free society, provides for a shared compact among citizens to promote “the general welfare.” In other words, we’re in this together and we have to fight this together. No inflated egos allowed. Not getting vaccinated endangers our country-men and -women, disrespects our founding document and, at bottom, is a selfish and stupid act.

  20. So who are we trying to protect here, with the constant testing and mandates and public pressure? The unvaccinated from themselves? They chose to refuse the vaccine!! Leave them alone and let them continue to work while you’re at it. Logic people.

    ——-

    There is a study that has shown two important things about the delta variant:
    1. That it is about twice as easy to transmit as the Original
    2. That the viral load in the respiratory system of an unvaccinated patient is about 1,000 times that of the original virus.

    That is why health officials are so concerned. As much as I’d like to agree with your statement, I can’t help but think….how bad is the next variant going to be?

  21. seahawksdanny says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:38 pm
    Why are we freaking out over some virus that has a 98% survival rate. Look back a few years, the flu bug was worse. Get it together America, or we’re doomed.

    There are families of 600,000+ people who died of COVID that may disagree with your cavalier attitude. Be careful of Karma.

  22. seahawksdanny says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:38 pm
    Why are we freaking out over some virus that has a 98% survival rate. Look back a few years, the flu bug was worse. Get it together America, or we’re doomed.

    ——-

    You may want to do some research on the delta variant.

  23. If Minnesota is an ‘at will’ state, he can be fired for ANY reason. He would simply collect UC if he can prove that it was not ‘willful misconduct’. After that….the lawsuit is on him and it depends on the state’s employment regulations.

  24. Dennison can’t sue. He works for a private company in an “at will” state.

    The kiddie lawyers here are entertaining.

  25. He can work in the basement for plant operations dept or something. No termination, helping the organization. Problem solved.

  26. 345snarkavenue says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:52 pm

    There is a study that has shown two important things about the delta variant:
    1. That it is about twice as easy to transmit as the Original
    2. That the viral load in the respiratory system of an unvaccinated patient is about 1,000 times that of the original virus.

    That is why health officials are so concerned. As much as I’d like to agree with your statement, I can’t help but think….how bad is the next variant going to be?
    __________

    I guess you missed the part that it is far less dangerous than the original. Viruses mutate to survive so they’re more transmissible but less deadly. So the next variant is going to be even weaker.

  27. Do you anticipate vaxxers really believe all the lies you post? EVERY SINGLE COURT CASE HAS SIDED WITH THE EMPLOYER , key phrase ERRRRRR, not EEEEEEE, right to fire someone if they refuse the vaccine. Hope you enjoy being unemployed and unable to collect because you got fired. Lets see how that works out for you geniuses.

  28. Over the last year+, I’ve often thought of the comment below. We reached 12k dead a LONG time ago. Amazing how easy it was to find:

    thesnakestabler says:
    April 4, 2020 at 7:22 pm
    Is it not AMAZING how these sheep are just willing to give up their rights according to the US constitution all because the MSM and the people behind this mass hysteria say that it’s “the right thing to do”? Wake me up when we get to 60 million infected and 12k + dead in the US alone like during the H1N pandemic 11 years ago.. You have to remember though, the pied piper was in the White House at that time and the MSM and other sheep walked lockstep with him..

  29. These vaccines are only approved for “emergency” (their word) use. They have not been approved for general use. The expert doctors and scientists at the FDA have not approved these vaccines for general use. That is what the scientists are saying who are paid to study these vaccines. So I defer to those scientist. Roger Goddell is not an expert on vaccines. The doctors at the FDA who have not found sufficient evidence to approve these vaccines for general use are the experts. Who does Rick Dennison go to if he gets the vaccine and has Major side effects from them? Does the NFL pay millions of dollars of lost wages to Mr Dennison?

  30. taech329 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:12 pm

    They wouldn’t be sued if they did/do fire him for not taking the Covid vaccine. Because he’s an at-will employee but also the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission and Federal Courts already ruled that employers can legally require that their employees be vaccinated.
    ———————————————————————————–
    Minnesota has pending legislation that will prohibit an emplyee being fired because of his vaccination status. More states are following suit

    House File 2541, and companion Senate File 2424, would prohibit employers from refusing to hire, discharging, or otherwise discriminating against an individual “with respect to the compensation or the terms, conditions, or privileges of employment” based on their vaccination status. Any violation would constitute a gross misdemeanor.

  31. tigerlilac says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:45 pm
    Patriots part ways with assistant coach over vaccination. I guess neither Kraft nor Belichick are really closet QAnon adherents and their support of the prior president was friendship based and not policy. Tell FOX it’s not creeping socialism; it’s a creeping reality check.

    Hey genius, the people who are the most hesitant to get vaccinated are the African American community and Hispanic community, not exactly the main ”fox news” viewers as u suggest.

    also, it was ur side of the isle, such as talking heads on cnn and msnbc when trump was president sowing doubt, and it was only when it came became politically convenient did there stance change, just like democrat state lockdowns.

    also its ur side that is living in fear of this virus still despite being vaccinated, not the unvaccinated ppl, which is amusing. keep living in fear though, u only have a 99.7 chance of survival from this virus even if not vaccinated, very scary.

  32. touchback6 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:02 pm
    Dennison can’t sue. He works for a private company in an “at will” state.

    The kiddie lawyers here are entertaining.
    ———————————————————–
    Minnesota, as well as other states have pending legislation that will prohibit an employer from dismissing an employee based on vaccination status.

    House File 2541, and companion Senate File 2424, would prohibit employers from refusing to hire, discharging, or otherwise discriminating against an individual “with respect to the compensation or the terms, conditions, or privileges of employment” based on their vaccination status. Any violation would constitute a gross misdemeanor.

  33. touchback6 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:02 pm
    Dennison can’t sue. He works for a private company in an “at will” state.

    The kiddie lawyers here are entertaining.
    —————————————————-
    Too bad that don’t have a vaccine for stupidity.

  34. Rick is going to find out there aren’t that many 6 figure jobs waiting for him.

  35. I guess you missed the part that it is far less dangerous than the original. Viruses mutate to survive so they’re more transmissible but less deadly. So the next variant is going to be even weaker.

    ——-

    There is currently not enough evidence to prove that the delta variant will cause more or less severe illness. What the data suggests is that it is a faster, fitter, and more efficient strain than previous strains. Also, An analysis of 38,805 sequenced cases in England revealed that the Delta variant was associated with a 2.61 times higher risk of hospitalization within 14 days of specimen date than the Alpha variant.

  36. What everyone forgets, is that that the FDA has yet to give full approval to any vaccine. I’m vaccinated so I’m not a denier.

    However, until the FDA gives a full approval, not the emergency authorization, they can’t even make soldiers get it… and take it from me, they line your butt up and give you so many shots you lose count.

    I think the NFL is on a slippery legal slooeuntil the vaccines have full authorization.

  37. 40% of current hospitalizations in the UK are from fully vaccinated individuals, this distinction between being vaccinated and unvaccinated is rapidly decreasing with each new variant.

  38. Let’s see i can work and make good money to do what I love, or I can be a moron and not get vaccinated and lose my job. I know which one I would pick. Obviously those that choose the latter deserve to be unemployed

  39. jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:12 pm
    These vaccines are only approved for “emergency” (their word) use. They have not been approved for general use.

    ——

    If 4+ million dead, and what looks to be the most transmissible variant causing a significant rise in infections not considered an emergency in your eyes, then how many deaths would it take to convince you it’s an emergency? What’s your number?

  40. Just another reason why the dictator Goodell must go. The guy has ruined the once mighty NFL.

  41. Fear is a Liar says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:06 pm
    345snarkavenue says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:52 pm

    There is a study that has shown two important things about the delta variant:
    1. That it is about twice as easy to transmit as the Original
    2. That the viral load in the respiratory system of an unvaccinated patient is about 1,000 times that of the original virus.

    That is why health officials are so concerned. As much as I’d like to agree with your statement, I can’t help but think….how bad is the next variant going to be?
    __________

    I guess you missed the part that it is far less dangerous than the original. Viruses mutate to survive so they’re more transmissible but less deadly. So the next variant is going to be even weaker.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
    Please fact check yourself. I’m sure you also think that the Earth is flat, Elvis is still alive and Tom Brady is from Mars.

  42. Only the devil forces others to do what they don’t want to do, especially to their own body.

  43. When has vaccine been proven to be safe or protect from covid. Last time i check thousands were the ones who got vaccinated and spread the virus, also died from covid.

  44. Mike Florio,

    I know you’re a lawyer, as am I. I don’t get your statement: “If Dennison ends up getting fired at a time when he’s ready and willing to work, he’d likely have a strong claim to receive his pay. Although the Vikings could fire Dennison for cause and not pay him, firing him for declining to be vaccinated most likely does not amount to a for-cause firing.”

    You are certainly aware of the “at will” employment doctrine? Are you suggesting he had a contract that required good cause for the Vikings to fire him? Even if this is so, doesn’t a violation of league rules amount to good cause?

  45. unknownvikingfan says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:53 pm

    Another rat off our sinking ship.
    /////////////////////////
    I know a packed ship sinking faster.

  46. Nothing says “safe and effective” vaccines more than constant bullying and potential job termination for not taking it.

  47. Players and coaches have all the power here if they just stick to their guns. There is not a massive pool of talent for this level of football. Call their bluff. The Cards wanna lose Hopkins? Sure they do.

  48. whateverworks77 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:57 pm
    If Minnesota is an ‘at will’ state, he can be fired for ANY reason. He would simply collect UC if he can prove that it was not ‘willful misconduct’. After that….the lawsuit is on him and it depends on the state’s employment regulations.
    —————————————

    Uh, he would not be on unemployment if, like most NFL assistant coaches, he is working under an employment contract with guarantees. The team can terminate him but has to pay him for the guaranteed portion of the contract unless he is terminated for cause.

  49. Fear is a Liar says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:06 pm
    I guess you missed the part that it is far less dangerous than the original. Viruses mutate to survive so they’re more transmissible but less deadly. So the next variant is going to be even weaker.
    ——————-
    Viruses mutate because it’s what they do. Most mutations are inconsequential, but a mutation may be more or less dangerous, more or less transmissible, or more or less anything else. The only reason it’s usually ultimately less lethal because more lethal mutations often kill their victims too quickly, like Ebola. But a more dangerous mutation is just as likely as a less dangerous mutation.

  50. 345snarkavenue says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:40 pm
    jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:12 pm
    These vaccines are only approved for “emergency” (their word) use. They have not been approved for general use.

    ——

    If 4+ million dead, and what looks to be the most transmissible variant causing a significant rise in infections not considered an emergency in your eyes, then how many deaths would it take to convince you it’s an emergency? What’s your number?

    —-
    What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people under the age of 70? What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people between the ages of 20-35 which 99% of the NFL players? It is the same if not better than the seasonal flu. It’s interesting that Michael Jordan is a hero for playing in the NBA finals with a 103 temp and the flu. How many people did he infect? For those he was playing against, that flu was more dangerous than Covid.

    How many of the 4 million who have died were over 70 or with a comorbidity? Well over 90%. It is anti-science to treat a healthy 25 year the exact same as an 80 year old with emphysema with a virus that affects people drastically different based on age and health status. Please follow the science, not politicians.

  51. He found out what they pay at Dicks Sporting Goods and had a sudden change of heart.

  52. I am not a lawyer…nor do I play one on TV. Also, I have never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express. Not last night or any other night. I am however, an employee working in an at will state under a negotiated, enforceable contract of employment. The “fire him” crowd is correct as are SCOTUS ruling on vaccines people. No one is saying he can’t be fired. What I am saying (and I know this for a fact) is that his contract may protect his salary. It may protect it for a specified number of years. My contract protects my salary for 2 years if I lose my job for any reason pertaining to my health. If I chose to not get vaccinated the language would make it very difficult to fire me without pay.

  53. Seems like the Vikings have a religious right to not employ him. Other than that, half the country doesn’t want shot. Ship the extra shots to another country. Every vaccinated person on earth helps. Nothing unique about expending time and energy on those that are not interested until hit all the low hanging fruit. In fact, I would start with giving shots to authoritarian governments as their citizens likely do not have a choice!

  54. Quid Pro Joe says:
    July 23, 2021 at 7:21 pm
    Nothing says “safe and effective” vaccines more than constant bullying and potential job termination for not taking it.

    ——–

    that’s the kind of information you use during a decision making process?

  55. If the party that is choosing to not take shots wants to have a fairly decent number of people die… you know… voters…because they are promoting unfounded claims about the vaccine…. LET THEM.

  56. I’m shocked to learn that Tucker Carlson telling me I don’t have to do it is not a valid excuse.

  57. jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 7:37 pm
    345snarkavenue says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:40 pm
    jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:12 pm
    These vaccines are only approved for “emergency” (their word) use. They have not been approved for general use.

    ——

    If 4+ million dead, and what looks to be the most transmissible variant causing a significant rise in infections not considered an emergency in your eyes, then how many deaths would it take to convince you it’s an emergency? What’s your number?

    —-
    What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people under the age of 70? What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people between the ages of 20-35 which 99% of the NFL players? It is the same if not better than the seasonal flu. It’s interesting that Michael Jordan is a hero for playing in the NBA finals with a 103 temp and the flu. How many people did he infect? For those he was playing against, that flu was more dangerous than Covid.

    How many of the 4 million who have died were over 70 or with a comorbidity? Well over 90%. It is anti-science to treat a healthy 25 year the exact same as an 80 year old with emphysema with a virus that affects people drastically different based on age and health status. Please follow the science, not politicians.
    ————————————————————
    You should follow the science and facts: 50% of adults in the US have at least one comorbidity. Your statement is misleading as it purposely excludes some very pertinent information.

  58. just a tactic to scare players. game still goes on without the coach, the players are the ones who make the nfl money and they will not fire any star player.

  59. “… firing him for declining to be vaccinated most likely does not amount to a for-cause firing.”

    Unequivocally it does amount to a for-cause firing.

  60. For those that keep claiming freedom and rights, etc., you’re the problem with this country right now. You think you are entitled to everything. There is one common theme with this also, keep following the fat orange man and see where you end up. YOU are the minority. Grow up!

  61. If he filed for an exemption, and it was wrongly denied, then that will likely end up in court. Perhaps he had a religious exemption or even a doctor note saying for him not to get vaccinated. If so, then yes, that will end up in court if the league turns it down without any attempt to accommodation.

    We don’t know what his medical history is. Perhaps he has a disorder where can’t have vaccines. YES! There are some people out there who medically cannot have the vaccines. Vaccines also contain preservatives. It is rare, but there are a few people out there who have severe allergic reactions to those chemicals. An anaphylaxis reaction can kill you.

  62. aristotle says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:31 pm
    40% of current hospitalizations in the UK are from fully vaccinated individuals, this distinction between being vaccinated and unvaccinated is rapidly decreasing with each new variant.
    ———————————
    Oh gawd. Do we need to go through this again. Ok, fine. Did you know that over 50% of US highway fatalities were people who were wearing seatbelts? So “seatbelts don’t help at all!” Oh wait… the vast majority of drivers & passengers — over 85% — were wearing seatbelts… Do you understand now?

  63. Funny how it wasn’t long ago(less than a year) that the dems claimed the GOP was authoritarian/totalitarian party and that it was the reps that wanted to run everyones lives, now less than 7 months into this leftist controled administration the shoe has swapped to the other foot and the dems/libs want to control everything everyone does and if we don’t do what they say they can take our jobs and possibly put us in prison for it, yes that hat is being passed around!

    OH and just because one judge ruled one way that doesn’t mean he made the correct ruling, just look at the DACA ruling a week ago, that finally 9yrs after it was enacted by the Obama administration a FED judge ruled DACA is unconstitutional to american citizens.

    Bottom line is they’ll never push this Covid vaccine being made mandatory through the courts, that is as long as it ISN’T FDA approved and it’s not! Now once it gets full FDA approval then that very well will change, but NO ONE can require you get a shot that ISN’T FDA approved. Sure some judges have ruled that way but as soon as these cases hit district or higher courts that deal directly with the constitutionality of such rulings you’ll find out those judges that ruled in favor of the employers made the wrong ruling. Heck the military can’t even force our troops to get it since it ISN’T FDA approved yet.

  64. oldleatherlips says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:02 pm
    jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 7:37 pm
    345snarkavenue says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:40 pm
    jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:12 pm
    These vaccines are only approved for “emergency” (their word) use. They have not been approved for general use.

    ——

    If 4+ million dead, and what looks to be the most transmissible variant causing a significant rise in infections not considered an emergency in your eyes, then how many deaths would it take to convince you it’s an emergency? What’s your number?

    —-
    What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people under the age of 70? What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people between the ages of 20-35 which 99% of the NFL players? It is the same if not better than the seasonal flu. It’s interesting that Michael Jordan is a hero for playing in the NBA finals with a 103 temp and the flu. How many people did he infect? For those he was playing against, that flu was more dangerous than Covid.

    How many of the 4 million who have died were over 70 or with a comorbidity? Well over 90%. It is anti-science to treat a healthy 25 year the exact same as an 80 year old with emphysema with a virus that affects people drastically different based on age and health status. Please follow the science, not politicians.
    ————————————————————
    You should follow the science and facts: 50% of adults in the US have at least one comorbidity. Your statement is misleading as it purposely excludes some very pertinent information.

    ———

    And it’s about 0% amongst NFL players

  65. If the vaccines were safe and effective, why would it matter if another person didn’t get the jabs? You should feel “safe” knowing you were vaccinated and the rest of us are doomed. This logic that everyone has to be vaccinated in order for it to work has no scientific basis.

    You can’t have freedom and safety. Thinking you have an obligation to be safe from all of life’s dangers is ignorant. Go read Dwight Eisenhower’s speech about freedom vs. safety. We can provide you safety inside a jail cell.

  66. oldleatherlips says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:02 pm
    jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 7:37 pm
    345snarkavenue says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:40 pm
    jg2040 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 6:12 pm
    These vaccines are only approved for “emergency” (their word) use. They have not been approved for general use.

    ——

    If 4+ million dead, and what looks to be the most transmissible variant causing a significant rise in infections not considered an emergency in your eyes, then how many deaths would it take to convince you it’s an emergency? What’s your number?

    —-
    What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people under the age of 70? What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people between the ages of 20-35 which 99% of the NFL players? It is the same if not better than the seasonal flu. It’s interesting that Michael Jordan is a hero for playing in the NBA finals with a 103 temp and the flu. How many people did he infect? For those he was playing against, that flu was more dangerous than Covid.

    How many of the 4 million who have died were over 70 or with a comorbidity? Well over 90%. It is anti-science to treat a healthy 25 year the exact same as an 80 year old with emphysema with a virus that affects people drastically different based on age and health status. Please follow the science, not politicians.
    ————————————————————
    You should follow the science and facts: 50% of adults in the US have at least one comorbidity. Your statement is misleading as it purposely excludes some very pertinent information.
    ————————————————————
    And those people with comorbidities SHOULD get the vaccine. And those young and healthy SHOULD NOT be forced to get the vaccine.

  67. 345snarkavenue says:
    July 23, 2021 at 5:52 pm
    So who are we trying to protect here, with the constant testing and mandates and public pressure? The unvaccinated from themselves? They chose to refuse the vaccine!! Leave them alone and let them continue to work while you’re at it. Logic people.

    ——-

    There is a study that has shown two important things about the delta variant:
    1. That it is about twice as easy to transmit as the Original
    2. That the viral load in the respiratory system of an unvaccinated patient is about 1,000 times that of the original virus.

    That is why health officials are so concerned. As much as I’d like to agree with your statement, I can’t help but think….how bad is the next variant going to be?

    **

    Variants don’t work like that. They attenuate over time. Every human coronavirus started as a pandemic and attenuated over time (usually 2 to 3 years) to become common cold viruses.

    This one will too.

  68. What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people under the age of 70? What’s the death rate of this virus for healthy people between the ages of 20-35 which 99% of the NFL players? It is the same if not better than the seasonal flu. It’s interesting that Michael Jordan is a hero for playing in the NBA finals with a 103 temp and the flu. How many people did he infect? For those he was playing against, that flu was more dangerous than Covid.

    How many of the 4 million who have died were over 70 or with a comorbidity? Well over 90%. It is anti-science to treat a healthy 25 year the exact same as an 80 year old with emphysema with a virus that affects people drastically different based on age and health status. Please follow the science, not politicians.

    ——

    you may ir may not realize ut, but your argument basically books down to this:

    if the vaccine doesn’t provide a significant improvement in risk for me, at my age, then why bother. if I get the virus, the likelihood is that I won’t get ill, and even smaller that i would die. and if I do contract the virus and become contagious, that’s not my problem. everyone around me needs to fend for themselves, regardless of their susceptibility to the virus. I’m not sorry that I don’t care about anyone else.

    or as someone I used to know would say “hooray for me and f*** everyone else”

  69. osu300 says:
    July 23, 2021 at 8:10 pm
    For those that keep claiming freedom and rights, etc., you’re the problem with this country right now. You think you are entitled to everything.
    __________________________________________

    NAH, we don’t think we’re entitled to everything, just our constitutional rights to decide for ourselves!

    OH and BTW the ones that think they’re entitled to everything are far left leaning libs, the AOC, Bernie, Harris and Pelosi backers, you know the ones that want free healthcare, free college and a monthly allowance(or UBI, universal basic income as it’s officially called), you know the ones that want taken care by the government from cradle to grave, now those are the ones that feel entitled and think the world owes them everything!

  70. Glad no one made me get the polio vaccine. I’m glad I have an iron lung. Oh wait.

  71. Civilized societies have rules. Everyone doesn’t like every rule, but that’s part of loving in a civilization. You have to wear a seat belt. You can’t drive drunk. You can’t beat your wife. You can’t drive 100 mph through a school crossing zone when small children are present. America ain’t for everyone. You’re free to leave. That’s the great thing about a free country. Nobody is locking you in.

  72. I know nurses and medical professionals that are not vaccinated but the NFL is requiring coaches to be???

  73. All Dennison needed was a religious or medical exemption for the vaccine

    Since he did not provide any,what was his problem? Not a very bright person, especially at his age and BMI

  74. Every employer has their rules for worker safety. It doesn’t mean death is imminent if those rules aren’t followed. The rules are intended to provide a safer work environment

    I worked at a nuclear plant, which required everyone walking in the plant to wear eye, ear, head hand and foot protection. Get caught without one of those get written up. Repeat offenders get disciplined and worse

  75. I have no problem with my team firing coaches or releasing any player that refuses to get vaccinated. Send the message that defeating Covid is way more important than football games. Yes, even more important than money.

  76. Chain Snatcher says:
    July 23, 2021 at 9:49 pm
    I know nurses and medical professionals that are not vaccinated but the NFL is requiring coaches to be???
    //////
    And some hospitals require it and have fired employees. And
    Those employees sued. And those employees lawsuits were thrown out of court. I wouldn’t see a doctor or nurse if I knew they were not vaccinated. Idiots.

  77. subshop182 ,you can’t even compare the two. They’re completely different. In order to be a vaccine it must have the virus it’s fighting against in the vaccine. There is nothing in this JAB They call vaccine that Pertains to covid. However Polio does, and that makes it a vaccine. Research it for yourself. Three of my friends were admitted to the hospital in serious condition from taking the jab. I wish they would’ve listened to the science and me. They still haven’t fully recovered, and may never.

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