Bill Belichick: Peyton Manning is definitely the best quarterback I’ve coached against

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Peyton Manning and Bill Belichick matched wits during several of the biggest NFL games of the 21st Century, and Belichick says he never took on a better opponent.

On the occasion of Manning’s induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Belichick reflected on Manning’s legacy.

“He is definitely the best quarterback I’ve coached against,” Belichick told Ben Volin of the Boston Globe. “There have been quarterbacks who called their own plays, but it was nowhere near the same as what he did. He basically called every play by adjusting and/or changing the play once he saw what the defense was doing. He excelled at using the cadence and recognizing blitzes, and more than any one single offensive player, he forced us to change and adapt defensive game plans.”

Manning faced Belichick 15 times in the regular season, with Belichick winning 10 of them, and another five times in the playoffs, with Manning winning three of them.

106 responses to “Bill Belichick: Peyton Manning is definitely the best quarterback I’ve coached against

  1. High praise, the kind Brady seemed to feel he didn’t get enough of from Belichick.

  2. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are two of the least athletic QB’s I’ve seen in my lifetime, yet they’re the two best QB’s from the last 20 years. I keep hearing about how the QB position is changing to a more athletic type player. That is just contrary to the truth. The QB position is played between the ears. Smart guys that are also athletic (like Rodgers, Mahomes, and Josh Allen) can win, but it has much more to do with their intelligence than their athleticism.

  3. Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

  4. Pretty cool that we got to watch him in our lifetime. Players like him should get a waiver to the 5 year waiting rule for the HOF.

  5. Don’t the Pats play the Buccaneers this season?
    Wonder what Bill is going to say after Brady torches his defense?

  6. Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

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    He was a master of his favorite system, the system he played in college.

    If a defense was able to take away his throws to WR BEHIND defenders, he didn’t know how to play football.

  7. charliecharger says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:19 pm
    Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are two of the least athletic QB’s I’ve seen in my lifetime, yet they’re the two best QB’s from the last 20 years. I keep hearing about how the QB position is changing to a more athletic type player. That is just contrary to the truth. The QB position is played between the ears. Smart guys that are also athletic (like Rodgers, Mahomes, and Josh Allen) can win, but it has much more to do with their intelligence than their athleticism.
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    “talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see.” – philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer

  8. charliecharger says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:19 pm
    Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are two of the least athletic QB’s I’ve seen in my lifetime, yet they’re the two best QB’s from the last 20 years. I keep hearing about how the QB position is changing to a more athletic type player. That is just contrary to the truth. The QB position is played between the ears. Smart guys that are also athletic (like Rodgers, Mahomes, and Josh Allen) can win, but it has much more to do with their intelligence than their athleticism.

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    I’d call them 2 of the best quarterbacks ever. What I wouldn’t call them is athletic.

  9. Belichick did go 10 – 5 against him. A .667 winning percentage over the best he ever played against. That’s impressive.

  10. Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

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    Lol. I can’t even believe people still have this opinion. There is no quarterback even in the same league as Brady. Brady would beat 95% of quarterback based solely on his postseason numbers alone. He has basically had two hall of fame careers. Take this for instance Brady has played in five of the last seven Super Bowls winning 4. Manning played in 4 his entire career on teams stacked with hall of fame talent. I could go on and on with Brady’s absolutely insane records but Super Bowls is where NFL players become immortal!

  11. High praise coming from a guy who coached against Montana, Bradshaw, Stabler, Aikman, Steve Young, Warren Moon, Rodgers, among many, many others.

  12. I don’t think Brady needed any bulletin board material for Oct 3, but Belichick gave him some today.

  13. Belichick did go 10 – 5 against him. A .667 winning percentage over the best he ever played against. That’s impressive.

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    He didn’t know how to stop Peyton when Peyton started throwing to WR other than Harrison and Wayne.

    Belichick’s strategy was always taking away your best weapons, and had no clue what to do if opponent QB could score with #3 or #4 play makers.

  14. singularitynow says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
    Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

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    Please child…

  15. And that’s why Belichick went for it on 4th and two. It didn’t work out but it was the right decision.

  16. nyctraffic says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:12 pm
    High praise, the kind Brady seemed to feel he didn’t get enough of from Belichick.
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    I don’t know why. BB is on record as having said Brady “is the greatest quarterback of all time”, “tremendous leader”, etc, etc, ad-infinitum. Even when Brady was on the Pats how soon you’ve all forgot how BB angrily scoffed at all & any of the frequent suggestions Brady was past-it whenever the Pats lost a game or two once Brady had turned 35. BB never throws anyone under the bus and only ever praises in public. In private he calls them out – hey it worked on Brady and helped craft him into the GOAT. Go watch that series from 2009 – Brady and Belichick talking game-planning in the office and BB taking Brady’s research onboard and adopting Brady’s play design suggestions. He respected Brady highly even then. But the Pats D won that last SB in 2018, then Brady had a poorer 2019 after which Brady refused to take a Pats medical – we now know why: Brady probably already had the MCL. I can understand BB feeling ok, maybe it’s time to reboot – but don’t forget Brady could’ve stayed on a year-to-year basis. He left because Pats wouldn’t do a longer extension – but would you offer one if he’d refused a medical?

  17. ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:56 pm
    Belichick did go 10 – 5 against him. A .667 winning percentage over the best he ever played against. That’s impressive.

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    He didn’t know how to stop Peyton when Peyton started throwing to WR other than Harrison and Wayne.

    Belichick’s strategy was always taking away your best weapons, and had no clue what to do if opponent QB could score with #3 or #4 play makers.
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    He schemes to take away what the opponent does best. Would you rather take away what the opponent does 3rd best, and let your opponent do what they’re most comfortable doing?

  18. singularitynow says:
    “Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.”

    While I think Peyton is one of the greatest ever but the biggest knock on him, to me, is his postseason inconsistency. He had NINE first round eliminations! We all know he’s possibly the best regular season QB ever and when the playoff system is to reward a team that does well in regular season with home field advantage by playing the lowest seeded team. And yet he and his team in the playoff had one and done NINE times! Sorry, that’s inexcusable if you want to be called the GOAT.

  19. Regarding the GOAT discussion: Sports pundit Nick Wright, an ardent Chiefs fans and a Brady doubter until this past February, has said that Brady has had three HOF careers and he backed it up with comparisons to the careers — rings, MVPs, Super Bowl MVPs, but not yards — of other HOFers. Brady’s first seven years, Wright showed, are the equivalent of Troy Aikman’s career; his middle seven years compare favorable to Dan Marino’s career; and his last seven years are the equal of Joe Montana’s career. His argument was compelling. There is no debate.

  20. Bill is on record as saying the greatest player he’s coached is Lawrence Taylor.

  21. He schemes to take away what the opponent does best. Would you rather take away what the opponent does 3rd best,

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    That is not point, it is about his ability of making adjustment when opponent offense shifted to their #3 and #4. With so much invested on defense, his defense should be expected to do more than just stopping the #1 and #2.

    Like in 2002 SB, Mike Katz kept putting balls in Kurt Warner’s hands (he threw 44 times), and when they put the balls in Marshall Faulk’s hands in later 4th quarter, he had no answer. The same happened in 2007 AFCCG against Peyton and Colts; the same happened in 2019 AFCCG against Mahomes and Chiefs; the same happened in 2004 SB against Panthers; the same happened in SB against Eagles.

  22. nhpats2011 says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:01 pm
    singularitynow says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
    Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

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    Please child…
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    You don’t have much of an argument if you take into account the multiple cheating scandals that occurred in NE…

  23. Smart guys playing QB, overrated, see Fitzpatrick. Brady and Manning are not athletic, so they have to get it done with their arms and there is no other option for them. So, in some respects that makes playing QB easier for them because they don’t get caught in the middle of should I run or pass. Athletic QBs start run a lot of times at the first sign of trouble and build up less learning situations of “passing through and out of tough situations”. I see a lot coaches of young athletic players and they tell them, when you get into trouble, run. This is the wrong thing to do. Running the ball should be your last resort or you never build a pass first, second and third mindset.

  24. nygiantsownbrady says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:19 pm
    nhpats2011 says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:01 pm
    singularitynow says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
    Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

    ——-

    Please child…
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    You don’t have much of an argument if you take into account the multiple cheating scandals that occurred in NE…

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    I don’t consider filming the Jets airline for two possessions for the first game doing so was illegal a “cheating scandal”. As for #deflategate, only a person that doesn’t understand that air pressure decreases as temperatures drop could even consider such lunacy.

    But just to make sure, I just checked the NFL records and it shows the Patriots winning 6 SBs in the past 20 years. No mention of scandals to be found

  25. Peyton was clearly a better QB than Tom. Peyton was the team and if he wasn’t there, the Colts were simple awful. Brady is a system guy and when he was out, Pats hardly missed a beat. People get wrapped up in this dumb goat talk in a team sport. Brady benefited from team success, great defenses and a whole host of other things I don’t have time to mention. It’s funny, when Brady won his first 3 SBs, Manning was considered the better QB by far by writers, coaches and players. Brady never became a better QB than Manning, his teams were just better. Is Eli Manning better than Marino? I think not, but Eli has 2 rings. Have the goat talk all you want, but I prefer to peel back the onion and look at things as they really are.

  26. weswelker83 says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:51 pm
    High praise coming from a guy who coached against Montana, Bradshaw, Stabler, Aikman, Steve Young, Warren Moon, Rodgers, among many, many others.

    I will never understand how people include Troy Aikman in a discussion of great QBs.

    Aikman threw for 20+ TDs once (23), his career TD-INT was 165:141 in 11 years. He threw more INTs then TDS 4 times and 2 times threw 1 more TD then INT (11:10 and 13:12). His career completion pct is 61.5% (That would rank 31 of 32 in the NFL last year, slightly edging Dwayne Haskins’ 61.4%)

    He made the HOF because his team won 3 Super Bowls DESPITE him.

    Most overrated QB in the history of the NFL.

  27. An even more true compliment,as Nikki Glaser said,Peyton Manning is the Tom Brady of TV commercials.

  28. nite2al says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:44 pm
    Have the goat talk all you want, but I prefer to peel back the onion and look at things as the way I want to see them.
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    ^^^^^ Fixed it for you…

  29. Brady’s the GOAT. Coming from a Broncos fan too. At some point you just have to face reality and he potentially could win another. That’s insane to me at his age. -_- I will say this…Denver has Brady’s number. We are the only franchise he doesn’t have a winning record against. In fact Peyton did better against the Pats when he came to Denver.

    But I sure do miss Peyton Manning. It was a gut punch when he knocked us out of the playoffs again and again but I loved every minute he was here in Denver. I wonder how his career would of turned out had he been a Bronco the whole time. No knock on Indy…just wished he had been here the whole time.

  30. Peyton had the mind of a computer. Couldn’t hide anything you wanted to do on defense.

    Only a few ever got the better of him, and they were almost all HOF coaches and players.

  31. “He made the HOF because his team won three SB despite him”.

    Aikman played on a team that was stacked on both sides. But he usually played his best in the postseason, and that was usually better than how other QBs like Steve Young were playing.

  32. Peyton was clearly a better QB than Tom.

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    If Peyton was even half as smart as Brady was, he would be able to turn cheap slot receivers into top play makers, which would have saved tons of money for Colts to build defense.

    On offense side, Colts were better than Pats in every aspect, except QB. BTW, without Brady, Belichick was still an “I can’t win if opponent scores 20 points kind of coach”, including 2000, 2008 and 2020, like he was in Cleveland Browns.

  33. Ha! He must be thinking of the two Superbowls he lost. That was the other brother, and wait till he plays against Brady this year. He may think differently.

  34. Like Ali, Frazier and Cossell, or Ruth – Gehrig the greatness of each is defined and measured by others, but the mutual respect is what truly characterizes them.

    This is not a zero sum game – appreciating one does not diminish the other(s)

  35. singularitynow says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
    Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years. __________________________
    Absolutely correct. Brady’s still playing, Peyton’s been out of football for 5 years…So who’s really the GOAT?

  36. nhpats2011 says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:39 pm
    nygiantsownbrady says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:19 pm
    nhpats2011 says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:01 pm
    singularitynow says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
    Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

    ——-

    Please child…
    ____________________

    You don’t have much of an argument if you take into account the multiple cheating scandals that occurred in NE…

    ——-

    I don’t consider filming the Jets airline for two possessions for the first game doing so was illegal a “cheating scandal”. As for #deflategate, only a person that doesn’t understand that air pressure decreases as temperatures drop could even consider such lunacy.

    But just to make sure, I just checked the NFL records and it shows the Patriots winning 6 SBs in the past 20 years. No mention of scandals to be found

    __________________________

    Spygate: the commissioner stated that the Patriots violated “longstanding NFL rules regarding fair play.” So no, Patriots fans, it wasn’t just “one game.” BTW, I bet you didn’t know Matt Walsh and other patriots staff members were present at the Rams walkthrough, even if they didn’t video tape anything.

    Deflategate: A guy who calls himself “The Deflator” was obviously deflating footballs for Brady in multiple games from 2006 (when the league allowed teams more control over the balls) to 2014 (when Brady got caught red handed).

  37. Deflategate: A guy who calls himself “The Deflator”

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    So you were surprised that a guy whose daily job was deflating and inflating football used the term “deflator”.

    You really need to learn how to think.

  38. nygiantsownbrady says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:19 pm

    You’re still here whining about Brady and cheating…Get over it…It was an NFL scam…Spygate, Deflategate…It’s easy to accuse and suspend someone because Article 46 says you can WITHOUT proof…Keep on going as your Jints players are leaving the team in droves! Typical NYG player…doesn’t want to work hard.

  39. BB owned Peyton.

    Only when Brady demanded his plays from the shotgun and to chase Manning’s stats in 2007, did Brady morph into chokejob postseason Manning.

    We used to laugh at Manning in the postseason and then Brady started channeling that, by thinking racing to 50 passes from the shotgun and ignoring his run game, was rhe way to success, when it was WHY the Colts would always lose with pressure on their Da, always on the field.

    The irony of it all.

    Thankfully BB drafted a qb to replace Brady’s bad habits from 2007-2012.

    And thankfully, Brady woke up again from 2014-2018.

  40. patsrule says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:02 pm
    And that’s why Belichick went for it on 4th and two. It didn’t work out but it was the right decision.

    64 4 Rate This

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    It was also a first down. Watch the replay. Goodell’s
    cheating henchmen were just getting started back in those days.

  41. singularitynow says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:20 pm
    Peyton was and is the GOAT. Anyone that thinks it’s Brady it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.

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    You must be out of your mind.

  42. Thankfully BB drafted a qb to replace Brady’s bad habits from 2007-2012.
    And thankfully, Brady woke up again from 2014-2018.

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    Belichick foolishly changed offense in 2007, abandoned Brady’s ‘taking what is given’ offense, adopted a system like Peyton’s under which Brady had to hold the balls for big plays (like in first 3 months of 2020 in BA’s system), which led to 6 years of misery in playoff.

    In the middle of 2013, with Gronk injured and out, without Aaron Hernandaz, Brady had no choice but turned the playbooks back to HIS system, which led to the emergence of Julian Edelman, and Pats started winning SB again.

  43. ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 7:43 pm
    Deflategate: A guy who calls himself “The Deflator”

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    So you were surprised that a guy whose daily job was deflating and inflating football used the term “deflator”.

    You really need to learn how to think.
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    Deflategate was a red herring the league used to take the public’s eye off of the then emerging concussion/CTE issue. That is all it was – a cheating scandal that never happened but the league perpetuated to keep their own dirty laundry out of the headlines. Science has since proved that there was no illegal deflation. All the court finally decided was that the CBA enabled Goodell to punish anyone he wanted to without any proof of wrongdoing.

  44. 94 5 Rate This
    ithinkthereforeiamithink says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:53 pm
    I don’t think Brady needed any bulletin board material for Oct 3, but Belichick gave him some today.

    What bulletin board material? He didn’t say Manning was the best QB. He said he’s the best QB he’s coached AGAINST.

  45. The GOAT head coach is right, Peyton is without a doubt the best QB to face a Belichick defense. I always cringed seeing Peyton line up against the Patriots. It’s like you want to close your eyes and hope something bad wasn’t going to happen to your team.

    As for Tampa Bay Tommy… gonna be a long night for him in week 4. You can take that to the bank. Cha-ching!

  46. Brady got booed tonight…he’ll never be loved like Peyton.
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    Krizinger Story (from moive “conspiracy”)
    “It is a story about a man. This man hated his father. Loved his mother fiercely. His mother was devoted to him, but his father used to beat him, demeaned him, disenherited him. Anyway, this friend grew to manhood and was still in his thirties when the mother died. The mother, who had nurtured and protected him, died. The man stood at her grave as they lowered the coffin and tried to cry, but no tears came. The man’s father lived to a very extended old age and withered away and died when the son was in his fifties. At the father’s funeral, much to the son’s surprise, he could not control his tears. Wailing, sobbing….he was apparently inconsolable. Utterly lost.”

    What does it mean?
    “The man had been driven his whole life by hatred of his father. When his mother died, that was a loss, but when his father died and the hate had lost its object, the man’s life was completely empty.”

  47. Brady has 7 rings.
    Steelers and patriots have 6 rings each!

    Case closed on who the goat is!

  48. Brady got booed tonight…he’ll never be loved like Peyton.
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    I think Tommy likes his Colt fan salty tears in a frosty glass with a twist of lime 🙂

  49. As for Tampa Bay Tommy… gonna be a long night for him in week 4. You can take that to the bank. Cha-ching!

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    It will be a long off season starting Jan in 2022 for Pats fans.

  50. The GOAT head coach is right, Peyton is without a doubt the best QB to face a Belichick defense.

    Clarification: the best QB to Face a Belichick coached Patriots defense. Was not talking about Montana here – that is arguable.

  51. ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:26 pm
    As for Tampa Bay Tommy… gonna be a long night for him in week 4. You can take that to the bank. Cha-ching!

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    It will be a long off season starting Jan in 2022 for Pats fans.
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    Whether they make the playoffs or not (I expect they’ll be at least right on the bubble assuming better QB play with the team’s window opening after this year) – still gonna be a very long night for Tommy in week 4.

    That’s as stone cold a lock as it can get. Book it 🙂

  52. Who cares what coach or QB was loved. I know Belichick and Brady don’t.

    The Giants own the greatest upset in NFL history. Great defensive game-plan and execution in the 2007 season super bowl. Despite two decades of excuses for teams losing to the Patriots they never made excuses for losing under Belichick and they took that loss with class. Go back and watch the Manning to Tyree helmet catch. The offensive holding was graphic and done right in front of the officials. I have never heard a Patriots coach nor player use that excuse.

  53. – still gonna be a very long night for Tommy in week 4.
    That’s as stone cold a lock as it can get. Book it.

    ——————

    No offense, Belichick’s believers will look like fools in two years, it is inevitable.

    Think of this : why if you have Peyton with current WR group? Belichick will be killed by fans. What if you have Deshaun Watson with current WR group? Belichick will be fired for sure.

  54. ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:02 pm
    Thankfully BB drafted a qb to replace Brady’s bad habits from 2007-2012.
    And thankfully, Brady woke up again from 2014-2018.

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    Belichick foolishly changed offense in 2007, abandoned Brady’s ‘taking what is given’ offense, adopted a system like Peyton’s under which Brady had to hold the balls for big plays (like in first 3 months of 2020 in BA’s system), which led to 6 years of misery in playoff.

    In the middle of 2013, with Gronk injured and out, without Aaron Hernandaz, Brady had no choice but turned the playbooks back to HIS system, which led to the emergence of Julian Edelman, and Pats started winning SB again.

    2 4 Rate This

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    Nope.

    BB dealt Branch and Brady was incensed. Brady then demanded he be supported like Gomer.

    BB obliged and then Brady channeled postseason Manning from 2007-2012 while publicly announcing he “prefers the shotgun”.

    Brady.

    Brady wanted it. He failed and BB drafted JimmyG and worked with him daily. Brady was on a very short leash since then, hence his ego bruise and subsequent special privileges he thinks he deserves because of the ego.

    There is a reason why Brady antics started after the comeback vs Atl. He really believes he does everything.

  55. ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 7:43 pm
    Deflategate: A guy who calls himself “The Deflator”

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    So you were surprised that a guy whose daily job was deflating and inflating football used the term “deflator”.

    You really need to learn how to think.

    ____________________________________

    And perhaps you should learn to read…

    The Deflator texts:

    “Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks….or its a rugby sunday”

    “Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before Sunday”

  56. TD6,

    Don’t care what you think, my post is not for you.

    Anyone with eyes could tell that the offense system in 2007 was different from the one before, so the offense system before 2007 couldn’t possibly be Belichick.

  57. ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:34 pm
    – still gonna be a very long night for Tommy in week 4.
    That’s as stone cold a lock as it can get. Book it.

    ——————

    No offense, Belichick’s believers will look like fools in two years, it is inevitable.

    Think of this : why if you have Peyton with current WR group? Belichick will be killed by fans. What if you have Deshaun Watson with current WR group? Belichick will be fired for sure.
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    There is 0 chance Belichick is getting fired for any reason whatsoever.

    It’s not Belichick that Tommy has to worry about in week 4. It’s the Patriots players that have heard all offseason that they are worthless without Brady and Brady did everything and they were all along for the ride. All intelligent football fans in existence know that nonsense. Gotta be frustrating for the players though to hear that kind of disrespect and they’re going to take it out on poor Tommy in week 4.

    Wouldn’t surprise me at all if it gets ugly like the Saints games last season. Not one bit.

    Book it. 🙂

  58. “Make sure you blow up the ball to look like a rugby ball so tom can get used to it before Sunday”

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    nygiantsownbrady,

    LOL, when did he text it? after the game in which the ball was like a rock with 16 psi?

  59. Peyton also made the best faces after losing than any other QB I’ve ever seen. A symphony of sulking.

  60. The Deflator
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    A name he called himself one time in one text message in May. Doesn’t mean a lot.

    With that said, I think those guys probably were inflating and deflating footballs like a few other teams do. But not that night. Science proved nothing happened that night, the league just set up a sting with the help of the Colts and got what they wanted out of it no matter what the footballs showed.

  61. There is 0 chance Belichick is getting fired for any reason whatsoever.

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    99% this will happen if Pats miss playoff in next two seasons.

    Kraft gave Bledsoe the 100 million dollar contract; Kraft forced Parcel to draft Terry Glenn, who Parcel refered to as “she”. Mr. Kraft now is 80. You think he will sit back?

  62. It’s the Patriots players that have heard all offseason that they are worthless without Brady and Brady did everything and they were all along for the ride.

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    They may have a great game, but I am sure BA and Bucs players will love to win this game for Brady.

    Whether or not they are worth something depends on their offense. I still don’t understand why some Pats are so excited with Cam as starter. Even Deshaun Watson never had a top 10 offense with DH, what can you expect from Cam?

  63. ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:57 pm
    There is 0 chance Belichick is getting fired for any reason whatsoever.

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    99% this will happen if Pats miss playoff in next two seasons.

    Kraft gave Bledsoe the 100 million dollar contract; Kraft forced Parcel to draft Terry Glenn, who Parcel refered to as “she”. Mr. Kraft now is 80. You think he will sit back?
    ——
    Even if they go 0-34 in the next two seasons, still 0 chance he is fired. Bill will walk away when he wants to, and rightfully so.

  64. weepingjebus says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:51 pm
    Peyton also made the best faces after losing than any other QB I’ve ever seen. A symphony of sulking.

    1 1 Rate This

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    Brady copied him well from 2007-2012.

  65. It’s amazing people still believe in deflategate and still consider Manning the better qb.

    Brady wasn’t suspended for cheating, the courts even got the nfl to admit they had no proof of ball deflation. Brady was suspended cause the nfl has the right to do it. Instead of admitting their mistake they doubled down on it and suspended Brady.

    Manning is an all-time great and had a dominating regular season career similar to Brady’s but the post season is where the two careers are not similar. Way too many one and dones for Manning.

  66. In my opinion the 3 best QBs I’ve ever seen play (without looking at old 80s and 90s gamefilm) is Manning, Brady, and Rodgers. People can hare on them all they want but numbers don’t lie. Of the group of course Brady had the best coaching followed by Manning and then Rodgers. Mahomes has htt the scene like a wildfire but his history is still to be written. As a fan it was sad to see Brees and Rivers retire last year (I like QBs can you tell?) But at least we still have some old dogs in Brady, Rodgers, and Roethlisberger getting it done. After these dudes then we are onto Matt Ryan and Stafford as the old dog field generals.

  67. weepingjebus says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:51 pm
    Peyton also made the best faces after losing than any other QB I’ve ever seen. A symphony of sulking.
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    That was definitely a “wait for it” moment for Pats fans

  68. it’s simply because you haven’t seen Peyton play for a number of years.
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    oh we saw him play PLENTY and it was bad ugly in the biggest moments. he just plain choked time after time, even the two his team won he played poorly. in contrast brady delivered un in an incredible 10 of 10 title games!

  69. Belichick’s opinion will remain the same after the Patriots dismantle Brady and the Bucs this year…

  70. nyctraffic says:
    August 8, 2021 at 5:12 pm

    He left because Pats wouldn’t do a longer extension – but would you offer one if he’d refused a medical?

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    Brady has stated that he left because he didn’t feel he could win at a high level with the Pats.

  71. GoodellMustGo says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:30 pm
    ztoa says:
    August 8, 2021 at 8:26 pm
    As for Tampa Bay Tommy… gonna be a long night for him in week 4. You can take that to the bank. Cha-ching!

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    It will be a long off season starting Jan in 2022 for Pats fans.
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    Whether they make the playoffs or not (I expect they’ll be at least right on the bubble assuming better QB play with the team’s window opening after this year) – still gonna be a very long night for Tommy in week 4.

    That’s as stone cold a lock as it can get. Book it 🙂

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    Man I hope the Pats can hang with Tampa Bay but honestly I could see them hanging 50 on the Pats.

  72. Peyton Manning is a class act, and one of the greatest of all time to ever play the game.

    Hopefully some day he is the commissioner of the NFL.

  73. Wow, Lots of complaining about Manning not being as successful as Brady. This really takes away from the true spirit of the BB remarks. I’m an Eagles fan, and yes salty over a few Patriot related scandals over the years. However, BB has had a remarkable career by any definition, Giants, Patriots, and he has just told you that Manning was the best
    QB he ever played against (He coached against the Best, Favre, Marino, Montanna, Elway, Manning, Brees, etc. This is the highest of praise, considering he won many of those games because of his team being perhaps the greatest sports team in professional sports history, or at least a good at their sport as the Kansas City Monarchs, or the the Boston Celtics w/Red as the coach were at their respective sports.
    Again, high praise, from a person by whom it is rightfully a GIVEN that he knows what he is looking at. To me, this is not a Wilt versus Russell, or Magic versus Bird, or Jordan versus anyone argument. It is just high praise from perhaps the best. It’s like Lombardi saying Butkus was agrat linebacker- Duh! We can see that, it it leaves no doubt because HE said it.
    I have to say, if you disagree with BB on this one, then the quote from John Madden applies to you: “If you can’t see (beyond you’re hate or jeolousy), well then, you don’t know what you’re lookin’ at”.
    Just MHO

  74. Even if they go 0-34 in the next two seasons, still 0 chance he is fired. Bill will walk away when he wants to, and rightfully so.

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    That would be true if he hadn’t convinced Kraft that Pats would be OK without Brady.

  75. Man I hope the Pats can hang with Tampa Bay but honestly I could see them hanging 50 on the Pats.
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    Nope can’t see it. Last year’s crippled defense maybe. Not this year. Gonna be a long night for Tommy without any doubt at all.

    Now whether that means the Pats actually beat them – well that depends on the QB. With Mac they have a shot. With Cam – yikes.

  76. Under Belichick, the Patriots have won on and off the field.

    They went to 9 super bowls in 18 years, winning six.

    The value of the franchise is now $5 billion, 2nd highest in the NFL.

    Bill is not leaving until he asks out.

  77. ztoa says:
    August 9, 2021 at 10:10 am
    Even if they go 0-34 in the next two seasons, still 0 chance he is fired. Bill will walk away when he wants to, and rightfully so.

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    That would be true if he hadn’t convinced Kraft that Pats would be OK without Brady.

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    And they will be. Not even the slightest doubt about that. 🙂

  78. And they will be. Not even the slightest doubt about that.

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    That is why Brady left. We will see.

  79. denbronx says:
    August 8, 2021 at 7:02 pm
    Brady’s the GOAT. Coming from a Broncos fan too. At some point you just have to face reality and he potentially could win another. That’s insane to me at his age. -_- I will say this…Denver has Brady’s number. We are the only franchise he doesn’t have a winning record against. In fact Peyton did better against the Pats when he came to Denver.

    But I sure do miss Peyton Manning. It was a gut punch when he knocked us out of the playoffs again and again but I loved every minute he was here in Denver. I wonder how his career would of turned out had he been a Bronco the whole time. No knock on Indy…just wished he had been here the whole time.

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    Brady’s Record against Denver is 8 – 6 over his career (3 – 2 in NE, 5-4 in Denver) – was it just against Peyton in Denver??

  80. tigerlilac says:
    August 9, 2021 at 10:42 am
    Under Belichick, the Patriots have won on and off the field.

    They went to 9 super bowls in 18 years, winning six.

    The value of the franchise is now $5 billion, 2nd highest in the NFL.

    Bill is not leaving until he asks out.
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    Yup. When Bill says he is done, then that’s when he’ll be done. Hopefully he can get the 49 wins he needs to break Shula’s wins record. 5 more seasons ought to do it. 4 if the Pats get good quickly.

  81. tigerlilac says:
    August 9, 2021 at 10:42 am
    Under Belichick, the Patriots have won on and off the field.

    They went to 9 super bowls in 18 years, winning six.

    The value of the franchise is now $5 billion, 2nd highest in the NFL.

    Bill is not leaving until he asks out.

    4 1

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    Kraft knows who the archtiect of dynasties. It’s why other HOF QBs never formed one.

    They never had BB as the GM and Coach. There’s a reason why no other dynasties exist with other teams in the Cap Era.

    BB groomed and promoted a lowly 6th rd pick and formed 2 of em.

    If Brady helps lead TB to 3 rings in 4 years, which he won’t, then he can talk about dynasties that he is the main reason in forming.

    BB knows it’s a team sport.

  82. No one is better than the Goat, Aaron Rodgers. Not even. Brady,Manning Montana second tier.

  83. maven says:
    August 8, 2021 at 6:47 pm
    I will never understand how people include Troy Aikman in a discussion of great QBs.

    Aikman threw for 20+ TDs once (23), his career TD-INT was 165:141 in 11 years. He threw more INTs then TDS 4 times and 2 times threw 1 more TD then INT (11:10 and 13:12). His career completion pct is 61.5% (That would rank 31 of 32 in the NFL last year, slightly edging Dwayne Haskins’ 61.4%)

    He made the HOF because his team won 3 Super Bowls DESPITE him.

    Most overrated QB in the history of the NFL.
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    Terry Bradshaw thanks you.

  84. touchback6 says:
    August 9, 2021 at 11:55 am
    tigerlilac says:
    August 9, 2021 at 10:42 am
    Under Belichick, the Patriots have won on and off the field.

    They went to 9 super bowls in 18 years, winning six.

    The value of the franchise is now $5 billion, 2nd highest in the NFL.

    Bill is not leaving until he asks out.

    4 1

    ———————-

    Kraft knows who the archtiect of dynasties. It’s why other HOF QBs never formed one.

    They never had BB as the GM and Coach. There’s a reason why no other dynasties exist with other teams in the Cap Era.

    BB groomed and promoted a lowly 6th rd pick and formed 2 of em.

    If Brady helps lead TB to 3 rings in 4 years, which he won’t, then he can talk about dynasties that he is the main reason in forming.

    BB knows it’s a team sport.

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    So far as a Patriots head coach BB has not even made it into the postseason without Tom Brady as his QB. At the same time, not only did Tom Brady take his (6-10) Buccaneers to the postseason, he won the SB

    Brady doesn’t need to win anything to prove his value. A good start for BB would be just getting a team to the postseason without Tom

  85. Just stating the obvious, but Peyton woulda had more rings if not for the rivalry with the Pats. Overall the Pats teams were just stronger, it wasn’t just Brady. But it was mostly Brady lol…

  86. Bellecheck pumping up his own ego because the pats owned the colts! of course he was the best. How did he do against Marino, or Elway, Montana?

  87. No one is better than the Goat, Aaron Rodgers. Not even. Brady,Manning Montana second tier.

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    Would you rather throw to a WR who runs vertically 25 yards downfield, or to a WR who runs horizontally 10 yards away?

  88. Meanwhile Tom Brady wearing a playbook on his wrist 20 + years into the league. Peyton Manning is the best Quarterback ever to play the position. The only job easier than being his OC, is being a life guard at the Summer Olympics.

  89. And when asked who the best QB he ever coached was, the answer without hesitation was…you guessed it, Frank Stallone.

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